Do the 'larger' (I didn't say fat okay) members of society feel bothered that the price and duty of cigarettes keeps going up to supposedly pay for the extra NHS care for smokers when the tax and price of fast food stays pretty level. Yet the cost of heavier people to the NHS far outweighs that of tax paying smokers.
Whether I smoke or don't smoke, banning smoking in pubs is bullshit.
If passive smoking was such a serious problem the sale of tobacco would be made illegal.
[cite]Posted By: Carter[/cite]Do the 'larger' (I didn't say fat okay) members of society feel bothered that the price and duty of cigarettes keeps going up to supposedly pay for the extra NHS care for smokers when the tax and price of fast food stays pretty level. Yet the cost of heavier people to the NHS far outweighs that of tax paying smokers.
Whether I smoke or don't smoke, banning smoking in pubs is bullshit.
If passive smoking was such a serious problem the sale of tobacco would be made illegal.
[cite]Posted By: Barn Door Lisbie[/cite]I agree with the spainish idea. Have smoking pubs and non smoking pubs and then let people make their choice.
Eggsonkley
[cite]Posted By: suzisausage[/cite]yeah, agree, and all places that serve food should be non smoking.
Couldn't agree more.
Backstreet juicers though..... Come on, people who get in them who DON'T smoke are in the minority. And lets be honest that's what you expect from places like that.
i was thinking about this smoking pubs and non smoking pubs last night and i dont think it would work. I think the landlords would be too worried about the drop in takings so they would keep it smoking and just have sections.
Mind you there's a pub round the corner from my office The Phoenix which has been non smoking for the last tow years and is always busy.
It's like Stu said B, it's about supply and demand. If there is an area that has say, twenty pubs and bars within a close proximity and 18 of them were smokers then the other two should have a good chance of marketing and selling themselves as non-smoking places so should get a decent slice of the trade. In turn, evryones happy.
I went to my local on Sunday night and it stank of old beer and BO. Was strange to walk up Villiers Street last night and see smokers huddling in doorways too.
It's a good thing, but it'll take some getting used to.
When all the non-smokers stop driving cars, I will listen to them; until then, they can stick their hypocritical self rightiousness (scuse spelling) up their ashtray!
Portugal has seen sense, under 100m2 floor space, your choice to be smoking or not, over 100m2, max 30% smoking area.
In the three plus years I have had a pub, only one person has said they were in favour of a total smoking ban in pubs - that is the honest truth, I am not spinning it to support my argument. Even the government's own survey could find only 20% of people in favour of a total smoking ban.
The government has brought in this law with no mandate at all from the country, that is not democracy, it is dictatorship. Here is what was said in the Labour manifesto in 2005:
"We will legislate to ensure that all enclosed public places and workplaces, other than licensed premises will be smoke free."
It goes on to say that restaurants and bars serving food will be smoke free, then:
"...and other pubs and bars will be free to to choose whether to allow smoking, or be smoke-free. In membership clubs, the members will be free to choose whether to allow smoking or to be smoke-free"
Just two years ago that was published, a pack of lies.
If they can do it with smoking, they will think they can get away with anything. Road charging next, then in a few years alcohol rationing.
Its the death of the pub i tell you. Was in the Oak last night - 80% of the customers were outside on the street - shivering. non smokers sat inside alone. pissed off the neighbours probably and customers.
Went into the Holborn Colony last night, max 10 people in there, normally heaving on a Friday.
Moved on to the Crecent, opposite Koko's fairly busy but rammo outside, same with the other bars we went to in Camden, the loss of trade is huge, every pub had half the people they normally do.
Saturday night I went to the Blues rock at Gillinghams ground. Brannigans type place, people were getting their hands stamped and going outside to shovel powder up their noses round the corner whilst having a fag. Not particularly well organised but not chaotic.
The Zone however was organised chaos. Along with people being able to fire up on marching powder outside there were untold amounts of pissed up clubbers in the middle of a main road. I give it a month before someone is killed or really hurt outside that place, but it's okay because people aren't smoking inside.
Once someone is hurt they will ban smoing outside as it's dangerous and then the place will close because people simply will not go all night without being able to participate in a perfectly legal activity.
i think it's just great.one of my friends is asthmatic and always did struggle wilh all the smoke before. also,it has made some places more social,with smokers striking up conversations outside with new people that they may not have before.i have just found places to be a lot more friendly.
are the pubs doing less trade than they would normally? possibly.to me it is a slight inconvienience to some,but a godsend to many.it does not appear to be the end of the world as had been predicted.now,if we could just ban smelly people..
Threadkiller, if my pub were in the Uk it would mean more than a slight inconvenience, it would mean three people on the dole, and me with a huge albatross of a pub around my neck with very little sell on value. In some villages the only pub may shut down, inconveniencing a lot of people, smokers and non-smokers.
I for one never predicted "the end of the world", but I did predict a downturn in trade in an already struggling industry, and comments above seem to bear this out. The once a year anti-smoking drinkers remain once a year drinkers, who will now be able to have their annual milk stout in a smoke free zone. Sadly the atmospheric improvements gained by the smoke free pub may be offset by the ten miles they have to drive to find a pub still open.
[cite]Posted By: Algarveaddick[/cite]Threadkiller, if my pub were in the Uk it would mean more than a slight inconvenience, it would mean three people on the dole, and me with a huge albatross of a pub around my neck with very little sell on value. In some villages the only pub may shut down, inconveniencing a lot of people, smokers and non-smokers.
I for one never predicted "the end of the world", but I did predict a downturn in trade in an already struggling industry, and comments above seem to bear this out. The once a year anti-smoking drinkers remain once a year drinkers, who will now be able to have their annual milk stout in a smoke free zone. Sadly the atmospheric improvements gained by the smoke free pub may be offset by the ten miles they have to drive to find a pub still open.
Very well said, would add to it but think you've got it in one there mate
I don't smoke but this is pointless over-regulation at a time when pubs need all the help they can get.
It's a virtue signalling policy which you aren't allowed to disagree with because smoking is discursively defined as bad, thus any arguments in favour of personal liberty or freedom are banned.
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Whether I smoke or don't smoke, banning smoking in pubs is bullshit.
If passive smoking was such a serious problem the sale of tobacco would be made illegal.
Why is it bullshit?
If it's that bad why is it not outlawed??
Because of the money they make from Taxes would be my guess.
That freedom has been taken away in Public places for the benefit of he majority. You can still smoke, just not inside.
And it's not outlawed because of all the tax on it...
Eggsonkley
Couldn't agree more.
Backstreet juicers though..... Come on, people who get in them who DON'T smoke are in the minority. And lets be honest that's what you expect from places like that.
Mind you there's a pub round the corner from my office The Phoenix which has been non smoking for the last tow years and is always busy.
Or am I talking Barry*
*Barry White - Shite
It's a good thing, but it'll take some getting used to.
Portugal has seen sense, under 100m2 floor space, your choice to be smoking or not, over 100m2, max 30% smoking area.
In the three plus years I have had a pub, only one person has said they were in favour of a total smoking ban in pubs - that is the honest truth, I am not spinning it to support my argument. Even the government's own survey could find only 20% of people in favour of a total smoking ban.
The government has brought in this law with no mandate at all from the country, that is not democracy, it is dictatorship. Here is what was said in the Labour manifesto in 2005:
"We will legislate to ensure that all enclosed public places and workplaces, other than licensed premises will be smoke free."
It goes on to say that restaurants and bars serving food will be smoke free, then:
"...and other pubs and bars will be free to to choose whether to allow smoking, or be smoke-free. In membership clubs, the members will be free to choose whether to allow smoking or to be smoke-free"
Just two years ago that was published, a pack of lies.
If they can do it with smoking, they will think they can get away with anything. Road charging next, then in a few years alcohol rationing.
Still that Ronny Mac does loads for charity, saves the government having to pay for it after all.
this weekend is going to be interesting.
Moved on to the Crecent, opposite Koko's fairly busy but rammo outside, same with the other bars we went to in Camden, the loss of trade is huge, every pub had half the people they normally do.
The Zone however was organised chaos. Along with people being able to fire up on marching powder outside there were untold amounts of pissed up clubbers in the middle of a main road. I give it a month before someone is killed or really hurt outside that place, but it's okay because people aren't smoking inside.
Once someone is hurt they will ban smoing outside as it's dangerous and then the place will close because people simply will not go all night without being able to participate in a perfectly legal activity.
Utter bollocks this is.
well to add to this conversation, i was in a few pubs (no surprise) over the weekend and they were empty.
was quite nice, but then not fussed either.
the given up smoking cough has begun :-(
are the pubs doing less trade than they would normally? possibly.to me it is a slight inconvienience to some,but a godsend to many.it does not appear to be the end of the world as had been predicted.now,if we could just ban smelly people..
I for one never predicted "the end of the world", but I did predict a downturn in trade in an already struggling industry, and comments above seem to bear this out. The once a year anti-smoking drinkers remain once a year drinkers, who will now be able to have their annual milk stout in a smoke free zone. Sadly the atmospheric improvements gained by the smoke free pub may be offset by the ten miles they have to drive to find a pub still open.
Very well said, would add to it but think you've got it in one there mate
Government are thinking of banning smoking outdoors.
It's a virtue signalling policy which you aren't allowed to disagree with because smoking is discursively defined as bad, thus any arguments in favour of personal liberty or freedom are banned.