Put this on the other thread, but as it is more to do with lockdown easing I thought it might be of interest to put it here to say how it is happening in Spain:
Just announced here we'll be able to go out for one walk a day (first time in eight weeks) between 6-10am or 8-11pm, maximum of 1km from home. Different times of the day for older people and for children to be out with parents. All very strict here still but will be very happy to finally stretch the legs.
I think the different time slots for over-70s, children and other adults is a good idea to minimise any more chance of it spreading again and causing another spike after the infection rate and death rate has gone down so much.
No, you should not be visiting family members who do not live in your home.
You should keep in touch with them using phone or video calls.
Where your relatives are elderly or vulnerable, you may leave your house to help them, for example by dropping shopping or medication at their door. You can also help them to order online.
Are we really still touting ' to put things in perspective the deadliest flu season killed this many people' argument?
Baffling isn't it? It's fundamentally wrong as well, we're dealing with something much more infectious and definitely more deadly. And this applies to all ages. I can only put it down to people being selfish and just not caring about those most vulnerable to this virus. I really hope none of them have to experience losing a loved one over this but it would really show how utterly ridiculous this argument is. Some things are more important than how much you earn, the economy and how often you can go to the pub.
Figures also showed that only 1.3% of London patients who died were under the age of 40, while 87% were aged at least 60 and just under half were 80 or older.
And the comparative figures for the flu are...?
These are for 2018. The numbers for young people are low BUT young people do die of the flu, presumably on top of other conditions. Indeed other perhaps the 40-50 category, I'd say the age spread is pretty similar.
And just as the C19 numbers have been kept down by lockdown (which I entirely support) the flu numbers have been kept down by vaccination
There will be all sorts of compromises for people to consider. I’m a recovering heart attack person and have athsma. I’m being careful and abiding by the rules. My son is at university in Canterbury. He wants to come home but we’ve told him he can’t. On 30 June (his birthday!) his contract on his house expires and he’s not allowed to enter his new one until September. If he doesn’t come home he’s homeless. What do I do? Not a special case by any means but if the situation is still as it is by the end of June then I have a decision to take unless there is a soldier at the bottom of my garden with a gun.
Are we really still touting ' to put things in perspective the deadliest flu season killed this many people' argument?
Baffling isn't it? It's fundamentally wrong as well, we're dealing with something much more infectious and definitely more deadly. And this applies to all ages. I can only put it down to people being selfish and just not caring about those most vulnerable to this virus. I really hope none of them have to experience losing a loved one over this but it would really show how utterly ridiculous this argument is. Some things are more important than how much you earn, the economy and how often you can go to the pub.
The whole point of mentioning other conditions ISN'T to downplay the severity of C19 or suggest we should all go back to work or to football or the pub, but to put the numbers in perspective.
It's far too simplistic to say this is more important than the economy, as if we stay in lockdown until a vaccine is ready, the economy will be destroyed. 5m unemployed, maybe 10m unemployed, and the government bankrupt with no money to pay for the NHS.
The timing of coming out will be a compromise, balancing all the conflicting demands.
There will be all sorts of compromises for people to consider. I’m a recovering heart attack person and have athsma. I’m being careful and abiding by the rules. My son is at university in Canterbury. He wants to come home but we’ve told him he can’t. On 30 June (his birthday!) his contract on his house expires and he’s not allowed to enter his new one until September. If he doesn’t come home he’s homeless. What do I do? Not a special case by any means but if the situation is still as it is by the end of June then I have a decision to take unless there is a soldier at the bottom of my garden with a gun.
Distinct possibility. We have a really good office come man cave at the bottom of the garden. The hour in the car together on the way from Canterbury pretty much knackers up the distancing bit though!
There will be all sorts of compromises for people to consider. I’m a recovering heart attack person and have athsma. I’m being careful and abiding by the rules. My son is at university in Canterbury. He wants to come home but we’ve told him he can’t. On 30 June (his birthday!) his contract on his house expires and he’s not allowed to enter his new one until September. If he doesn’t come home he’s homeless. What do I do? Not a special case by any means but if the situation is still as it is by the end of June then I have a decision to take unless there is a soldier at the bottom of my garden with a gun.
Very tricky. Rather than renting elsewhere, could he self isolate in a bedroom in your house for 3 weeks ? Use his own towels don't touch anything outside his bedroom etc?
Are we really still touting ' to put things in perspective the deadliest flu season killed this many people' argument?
Baffling isn't it? It's fundamentally wrong as well, we're dealing with something much more infectious and definitely more deadly. And this applies to all ages. I can only put it down to people being selfish and just not caring about those most vulnerable to this virus. I really hope none of them have to experience losing a loved one over this but it would really show how utterly ridiculous this argument is. Some things are more important than how much you earn, the economy and how often you can go to the pub.
The whole point of mentioning other conditions ISN'T to downplay the severity of C19 or suggest we should all go back to work or to football or the pub, but to put the numbers in perspective.
It's far too simplistic to say this is more important than the economy, as if we stay in lockdown until a vaccine is ready, the economy will be destroyed. 5m unemployed, maybe 10m unemployed, and the government bankrupt with no money to pay for the NHS.
The timing of coming out will be a compromise, balancing all the conflicting demands.
Yes, I think some people may regard the economy being wrecked as big companies having smaller profits. I think they forget it means millions unemployed, becoming homeless, worsening health for many more than just Covid patients etc etc.
When can I invite my mum over to meet the children, meaning sit alongside them.
She is nearing 80, very well, and lives on her own in her own property. Does she isolate until a vaccine has been achieved? Well we have offered to bring her over next Saturday. How long can you lock someone up of her age?
I explained the situation fully, but she jumped at the offer.
I’ve posted without reading ahead and I’m sure people have beat me to this but not Saturday. We are still in lockdown so unfortunately it’s a no!
I’m guessing that you will be picking her up....unnecessary journey.
extra trip to the supermarket to get nice food....unnecessary journey.
what if any of your family have the virus and pass it on?
my advice is to hold out (I appreciate that this is hard) and hopefully see her in a few weeks when we are told it’s safe to do so.
Distinct possibility. We have a really good office come man cave at the bottom of the garden. The hour in the car together on the way from Canterbury pretty much knackers up the distancing bit though!
Let him get a train (seriously) or at the very least keep your car windows open. RIP Seb (driving instructor).
A man cave may be the answer or self isolating in his bedroom. Leave meals outside the door. Your only issues then are bathroom needs.
There will be all sorts of compromises for people to consider. I’m a recovering heart attack person and have athsma. I’m being careful and abiding by the rules. My son is at university in Canterbury. He wants to come home but we’ve told him he can’t. On 30 June (his birthday!) his contract on his house expires and he’s not allowed to enter his new one until September. If he doesn’t come home he’s homeless. What do I do? Not a special case by any means but if the situation is still as it is by the end of June then I have a decision to take unless there is a soldier at the bottom of my garden with a gun.
Come home but make him stay in his room for 7-14 days (not sure what the guidance is).
Distinct possibility. We have a really good office come man cave at the bottom of the garden. The hour in the car together on the way from Canterbury pretty much knackers up the distancing bit though!
Let him get a train (seriously) or at the very least keep your car windows open. RIP Seb (driving instructor).
A man cave may be the answer or self isolating in his bedroom. Leave meals outside the door. Your only issues then are bathroom needs.
That’s about the size of it except there’s all his stuff that will need either brought home (at least two maybe three carloads) or put in storage in Canterbury (probably sensible but I’ll still need to go get it out the house as he doesn’t drive). I’m hoping that in the next eight weeks there is some progress and some restrictions are lifted
Put this on the other thread, but as it is more to do with lockdown easing I thought it might be of interest to put it here to say how it is happening in Spain:
Just announced here we'll be able to go out for one walk a day (first time in eight weeks) between 6-10am or 8-11pm, maximum of 1km from home. Different times of the day for older people and for children to be out with parents. All very strict here still but will be very happy to finally stretch the legs.
I think the different time slots for over-70s, children and other adults is a good idea to minimise any more chance of it spreading again and causing another spike after the infection rate and death rate has gone down so much.
I read things like this and think how the f**k are there still new cases in Spain?
Same with Italy. Listened to a woman on a podcast yesterday, she had ventered out of the permitted walking distance and was slapped with a 800Euro fine. No questions asked.
These countries are taking it seriously. They are not messing about.
Distinct possibility. We have a really good office come man cave at the bottom of the garden. The hour in the car together on the way from Canterbury pretty much knackers up the distancing bit though!
Let him get a train (seriously) or at the very least keep your car windows open. RIP Seb (driving instructor).
A man cave may be the answer or self isolating in his bedroom. Leave meals outside the door. Your only issues then are bathroom needs.
A guy in his late teens/early 20’s locked in a bedroom for 3 weeks. Time to stockpile the andrex
Distinct possibility. We have a really good office come man cave at the bottom of the garden. The hour in the car together on the way from Canterbury pretty much knackers up the distancing bit though!
Let him get a train (seriously) or at the very least keep your car windows open. RIP Seb (driving instructor).
A man cave may be the answer or self isolating in his bedroom. Leave meals outside the door. Your only issues then are bathroom needs.
A guy in his late teens/early 20’s locked in a bedroom for 3 weeks. Time to stockpile the andrex
Distinct possibility. We have a really good office come man cave at the bottom of the garden. The hour in the car together on the way from Canterbury pretty much knackers up the distancing bit though!
Let him get a train (seriously) or at the very least keep your car windows open. RIP Seb (driving instructor).
A man cave may be the answer or self isolating in his bedroom. Leave meals outside the door. Your only issues then are bathroom needs.
A guy in his late teens/early 20’s locked in a bedroom for 3 weeks. Time to stockpile the andrex
Distinct possibility. We have a really good office come man cave at the bottom of the garden. The hour in the car together on the way from Canterbury pretty much knackers up the distancing bit though!
Let him get a train (seriously) or at the very least keep your car windows open. RIP Seb (driving instructor).
A man cave may be the answer or self isolating in his bedroom. Leave meals outside the door. Your only issues then are bathroom needs.
A guy in his late teens/early 20’s locked in a bedroom for 3 weeks. Time to stockpile the andrex
turn off his wifi - haha
That’s pure evil. I really hope that I never cross you.....good idea though
Distinct possibility. We have a really good office come man cave at the bottom of the garden. The hour in the car together on the way from Canterbury pretty much knackers up the distancing bit though!
Let him get a train (seriously) or at the very least keep your car windows open. RIP Seb (driving instructor).
A man cave may be the answer or self isolating in his bedroom. Leave meals outside the door. Your only issues then are bathroom needs.
A guy in his late teens/early 20’s locked in a bedroom for 3 weeks. Time to stockpile the andrex
@ROTW can’t you do a compromise? Her in her hallway on a chair and you guys 10-15 feet back on the drive? Stick a couple of fold up chairs out?
gives some face to face contact but 99% safer
Mate, my son (being the cleverest member of the family) has put us all right. We will organise some sort of picnic over hers where we will keep her at home, yet still have some sort of interaction. God knows where he gets his common sense from, but loves his nan. Still got to break it to my mum yet, but think she will be in tears for his understanding. All the best all.
Put this on the other thread, but as it is more to do with lockdown easing I thought it might be of interest to put it here to say how it is happening in Spain:
Just announced here we'll be able to go out for one walk a day (first time in eight weeks) between 6-10am or 8-11pm, maximum of 1km from home. Different times of the day for older people and for children to be out with parents. All very strict here still but will be very happy to finally stretch the legs.
I think the different time slots for over-70s, children and other adults is a good idea to minimise any more chance of it spreading again and causing another spike after the infection rate and death rate has gone down so much.
I read things like this and think how the f**k are there still new cases in Spain?
Same with Italy. Listened to a woman on a podcast yesterday, she had ventered out of the permitted walking distance and was slapped with a 800Euro fine. No questions asked.
These countries are taking it seriously. They are not messing about.
Then I look at us.
I have seen quiet a few posts where you complain about our lockdown. However as I mentioned before we have managed to get the reproduction number below 1, in broadly the same amount of time as our European counterparts without having as strict measures.
Indeed if you look at London the reproduction number dropped much quicker here as many people began to work from home and stop taking public transport etc the week before our lockdown was announced.
Only time will tell who was right and who was wrong (indeed Chris Whitty said it will take 2 years to have a full understandin) but I think a lot could be said for the long term health benefits fostered by people being able to get out and about when they had a chance - especially when in the long term which ever social distancing measures countries put in place I expect we will have to go back to some form of lockdown again.
Distinct possibility. We have a really good office come man cave at the bottom of the garden. The hour in the car together on the way from Canterbury pretty much knackers up the distancing bit though!
Let him get a train (seriously) or at the very least keep your car windows open. RIP Seb (driving instructor).
A man cave may be the answer or self isolating in his bedroom. Leave meals outside the door. Your only issues then are bathroom needs.
A guy in his late teens/early 20’s locked in a bedroom for 3 weeks. Time to stockpile the andrex
Just watched as an applauding neighbour who’s boyfriend pulled up at 8.00. He joined her in applauding before going in the house, he doesn’t live there but drops in 2/3 time daily. The hypocrisy is outstanding.
Distinct possibility. We have a really good office come man cave at the bottom of the garden. The hour in the car together on the way from Canterbury pretty much knackers up the distancing bit though!
Let him get a train (seriously) or at the very least keep your car windows open. RIP Seb (driving instructor).
A man cave may be the answer or self isolating in his bedroom. Leave meals outside the door. Your only issues then are bathroom needs.
That’s about the size of it except there’s all his stuff that will need either brought home (at least two maybe three carloads) or put in storage in Canterbury (probably sensible but I’ll still need to go get it out the house as he doesn’t drive). I’m hoping that in the next eight weeks there is some progress and some restrictions are lifted
You won't be at any less risk of catching Covid just because the government lift restrictions. (Apart from if restrictions are lifted then there is presumably less people out there infected).
Just watched as an applauding neighbour who’s boyfriend pulled up at 8.00. He joined her in applauding before going in the house, he doesn’t live there but drops in 2/3 time daily. The hypocrisy is outstanding.
My wife went out at 8pm for her weekly chat/bang a metal colander with a wooden spoon. I looked out and saw her then another couple of neighbours taking it in turns to all stroke the same dog. Absolutely fookin clueless. I was of course in the dog house (geddit) for asking her to wash her hands when she came in.
Had to drive into work today as my DSE assessment commanded I have a whole load of supportive equipment... Basically went to collect all the gear I already had on my desk.
It's about 10 minutes of driving each way and it honestly felt as busy as 4pm on any other day pre Covid... I was one of the cars, so can't really complain.
In other news what are all these dickheads doing out there? Doing 90 odd in a 60 in heavy rain. Where are you all going? You can't all be collecting laptop risers, wrist supports and adjustable chairs from your offices.
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Just announced here we'll be able to go out for one walk a day (first time in eight weeks) between 6-10am or 8-11pm, maximum of 1km from home. Different times of the day for older people and for children to be out with parents. All very strict here still but will be very happy to finally stretch the legs.
I think the different time slots for over-70s, children and other adults is a good idea to minimise any more chance of it spreading again and causing another spike after the infection rate and death rate has gone down so much.
8. Can I visit elderly relatives?
No, you should not be visiting family members who do not live in your home.
You should keep in touch with them using phone or video calls.
Where your relatives are elderly or vulnerable, you may leave your house to help them, for example by dropping shopping or medication at their door. You can also help them to order online.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-outbreak-faqs-what-you-can-and-cant-do/coronavirus-outbreak-faqs-what-you-can-and-cant-do
And just as the C19 numbers have been kept down by lockdown (which I entirely support) the flu numbers have been kept down by vaccination
It's far too simplistic to say this is more important than the economy, as if we stay in lockdown until a vaccine is ready, the economy will be destroyed. 5m unemployed, maybe 10m unemployed, and the government bankrupt with no money to pay for the NHS.
The timing of coming out will be a compromise, balancing all the conflicting demands.
Rather than renting elsewhere, could he self isolate in a bedroom in your house for 3 weeks ?
Use his own towels don't touch anything outside his bedroom etc?
I think they forget it means millions unemployed, becoming homeless, worsening health for many more than just Covid patients etc etc.
I’m guessing that you will be picking her up....unnecessary journey.
extra trip to the supermarket to get nice food....unnecessary journey.
what if any of your family have the virus and pass it on?
my advice is to hold out (I appreciate that this is hard) and hopefully see her in a few weeks when we are told it’s safe to do so.
RIP Seb (driving instructor).
A man cave may be the answer or self isolating in his bedroom.
Leave meals outside the door.
Your only issues then are bathroom needs.
hopefully by June, the lockdown will be eased
Same with Italy. Listened to a woman on a podcast yesterday, she had ventered out of the permitted walking distance and was slapped with a 800Euro fine. No questions asked.
These countries are taking it seriously. They are not messing about.
Then I look at us.
gives some face to face contact but 99% safer
We will organise some sort of picnic over hers where we will keep her at home, yet still have some sort of interaction.
God knows where he gets his common sense from, but loves his nan.
Still got to break it to my mum yet, but think she will be in tears for his understanding.
All the best all.
Indeed if you look at London the reproduction number dropped much quicker here as many people began to work from home and stop taking public transport etc the week before our lockdown was announced.
Only time will tell who was right and who was wrong (indeed Chris Whitty said it will take 2 years to have a full understandin) but I think a lot could be said for the long term health benefits fostered by people being able to get out and about when they had a chance - especially when in the long term which ever social distancing measures countries put in place I expect we will have to go back to some form of lockdown again.
(Apart from if restrictions are lifted then there is presumably less people out there infected).
I looked out and saw her then another couple of neighbours taking it in turns to all stroke the same dog.
Absolutely fookin clueless.
I was of course in the dog house (geddit) for asking her to wash her hands when she came in.
It's about 10 minutes of driving each way and it honestly felt as busy as 4pm on any other day pre Covid... I was one of the cars, so can't really complain.
In other news what are all these dickheads doing out there? Doing 90 odd in a 60 in heavy rain. Where are you all going? You can't all be collecting laptop risers, wrist supports and adjustable chairs from your offices.
Cunts.