Is Lockdown easing gradually?

magic1999

Being classified as a key worker (Shift working) driving into London this morning I was shocked at the amount of cars on the road heading into London. Over the last 3 weeks I have noticed it getting worse and worse but this morning was just like a normal working day. If you are not a key/essential worker stay at home 

DA9

magic1999 said:

Being classified as a key worker (Shift working) driving into London this morning I was shocked at the amount of cars on the road heading into London. Over the last 3 weeks I have noticed it getting worse and worse but this morning was just like a normal working day. If you are not a key/essential worker stay at home 

Again this is due to guidelines rather than rules or laws, think it was Hancock himself who said last week that they never told anybody to stop working, and you can return to work if you can keep to social distancing guidelines, it’s no wonder people and business under strain are taking him at his word 

Todds_right_hook

DA9 said:

magic1999 said:

Being classified as a key worker (Shift working) driving into London this morning I was shocked at the amount of cars on the road heading into London. Over the last 3 weeks I have noticed it getting worse and worse but this morning was just like a normal working day. If you are not a key/essential worker stay at home 

Again this is due to guidelines rather than rules or laws, think it was Hancock himself who said last week that they never told anybody to stop working, and you can return to work if you can keep to social distancing guidelines, it’s no wonder people and business under strain are taking him at his word 

That’s the problem, open to interpretation and no firm rules.

i can see the confusion, it’s okay to stand 2m behind someone when queuing to buy paint at a larger sit store but it’s not okay for a single person living alone in a flat to sit on their own in a green area, away from everyone else for 20 minutes. 

colthe3rd

Todds_right_hook said:

DA9 said:

magic1999 said:

Being classified as a key worker (Shift working) driving into London this morning I was shocked at the amount of cars on the road heading into London. Over the last 3 weeks I have noticed it getting worse and worse but this morning was just like a normal working day. If you are not a key/essential worker stay at home 

Again this is due to guidelines rather than rules or laws, think it was Hancock himself who said last week that they never told anybody to stop working, and you can return to work if you can keep to social distancing guidelines, it’s no wonder people and business under strain are taking him at his word 

That’s the problem, open to interpretation and no firm rules.

i can see the confusion, it’s okay to stand 2m behind someone when queuing to buy paint at a larger sit store but it’s not okay for a single person living alone in a flat to sit on their own in a green area, away from everyone else for 20 minutes. 

The working guidelines aren't open to interpretation. If you can't be 2 metres away from someone while you work then you shouldn't be working. The guys building a house next door to me certainly aren't doing that and it's a clear breach of the rules. 

On the park thing, agree being by yourself with no one around for some distance is fine but let's be honest we can't be trusted to do that. Look at that weekend before lockdown, even when encouraged to avoid busy places everyone flocked to the parks. If people are allowed to have a rest in parks you know they'd be taking the piss and we'd have a situation where thousands are in the parks all day long. How do they get there? Presumably they'd have to walk past many other people in the streets not keeping the recommended distance. 

These guidelines are in a place for a reason. When they don't suit people they'll look for any loophole they can to try and get round them because making a small sacrifice for a few months isn't worth it it to save thousands of lives.

carly burn

DA9 said:

magic1999 said:

Being classified as a key worker (Shift working) driving into London this morning I was shocked at the amount of cars on the road heading into London. Over the last 3 weeks I have noticed it getting worse and worse but this morning was just like a normal working day. If you are not a key/essential worker stay at home 

Again this is due to guidelines rather than rules or laws, think it was Hancock himself who said last week that they never told anybody to stop working, and you can return to work if you can keep to social distancing guidelines, it’s no wonder people and business under strain are taking him at his word 

 Yep. 601 more deaths today.

Well done on flattening the curve Hancock.

Problem is, it's going to stay flat at between 500 - 700 deaths PER DAY for weeks because of you and your governments ineffectiveness.

We are rapidly catching up with Spain and Italy and will surpass them very soon.

Fanny Fanackapan

DA9 said:

magic1999 said:

Being classified as a key worker (Shift working) driving into London this morning I was shocked at the amount of cars on the road heading into London. Over the last 3 weeks I have noticed it getting worse and worse but this morning was just like a normal working day. If you are not a key/essential worker stay at home 

Again this is due to guidelines rather than rules or laws, think it was Hancock himself who said last week that they never told anybody to stop working, and you can return to work if you can keep to social distancing guidelines, it’s no wonder people and business under strain are taking him at his word 

Wonder if this could, in part, be down to some who would normally commute by train, are feeling safer in their own cars , even though parking might be a problem ? 

From NW Kent for instance, they could drive to Lewisham , park up then take the DLR into London itself .....

Just a thought.

carly burn

Just been out for our daily walk. Wet and miserable. Did not see one other soul.

Funnily enough those that were out in the sun a few days ago for their 3rd jog of the day
( because if they don't get out for excercise 3 times a day, they'll die of course) were nowhere to be seen?

Todds_right_hook

colthe3rd said:

Todds_right_hook said:

DA9 said:

magic1999 said:

Being classified as a key worker (Shift working) driving into London this morning I was shocked at the amount of cars on the road heading into London. Over the last 3 weeks I have noticed it getting worse and worse but this morning was just like a normal working day. If you are not a key/essential worker stay at home 

Again this is due to guidelines rather than rules or laws, think it was Hancock himself who said last week that they never told anybody to stop working, and you can return to work if you can keep to social distancing guidelines, it’s no wonder people and business under strain are taking him at his word 

That’s the problem, open to interpretation and no firm rules.

i can see the confusion, it’s okay to stand 2m behind someone when queuing to buy paint at a larger sit store but it’s not okay for a single person living alone in a flat to sit on their own in a green area, away from everyone else for 20 minutes. 

The working guidelines aren't open to interpretation. If you can't be 2 metres away from someone while you work then you shouldn't be working. The guys building a house next door to me certainly aren't doing that and it's a clear breach of the rules. 

On the park thing, agree being by yourself with no one around for some distance is fine but let's be honest we can't be trusted to do that. Look at that weekend before lockdown, even when encouraged to avoid busy places everyone flocked to the parks. If people are allowed to have a rest in parks you know they'd be taking the piss and we'd have a situation where thousands are in the parks all day long. How do they get there? Presumably they'd have to walk past many other people in the streets not keeping the recommended distance. 

These guidelines are in a place for a reason. When they don't suit people they'll look for any loophole they can to try and get round them because making a small sacrifice for a few months isn't worth it it to save thousands of lives.

I never mentioned work, I purely mentioned social examples. 

you’ve brushed aside the queuing to get into a diy store part. I know local facebook pages aren’t reliable sources of information  but people were queuing for two hours to get into b an q dartford on Saturday. How is that allowed. How many people needlessly stood in line increasing the risk of spreading the virus

AFKABartram

I’m Turning into the miserable hater of other people I didn’t want to be.

Just took one of my boys for a 10 min jog round field, first time out since early Sunday morning. Four blokes about 20 playing football, all chatting away within 2 metres, spitting on the floor etc 

They just don’t care. 

Drives me mad 

Covered End

DA9 said:

magic1999 said:

Being classified as a key worker (Shift working) driving into London this morning I was shocked at the amount of cars on the road heading into London. Over the last 3 weeks I have noticed it getting worse and worse but this morning was just like a normal working day. If you are not a key/essential worker stay at home 

Again this is due to guidelines rather than rules or laws, think it was Hancock himself who said last week that they never told anybody to stop working, and you can return to work if you can keep to social distancing guidelines, it’s no wonder people and business under strain are taking him at his word 

Did he say this ?

clb74

AFKABartram said:

I’m Turning into the miserable hater of other people I didn’t want to be.

Just took one of my boys for a 10 min jog round field, first time out since early Sunday morning. Four blokes about 20 playing football, all chatting away within 2 metres, spitting on the floor etc 

They just don’t care. 

Drives me mad 

Thing is mate 
Probably 95% of us have broken the lockdown rules one way or another.

Johnnysummers5

clb74 said:

AFKABartram said:

I’m Turning into the miserable hater of other people I didn’t want to be.

Just took one of my boys for a 10 min jog round field, first time out since early Sunday morning. Four blokes about 20 playing football, all chatting away within 2 metres, spitting on the floor etc 

They just don’t care. 

Drives me mad 

Thing is mate 
Probably 95% of us have broken the lockdown rules one way or another.

You are having a laugh. a lot of people including me have not been outside the house.

clb74

Johnnysummers5 said:

clb74 said:

AFKABartram said:

I’m Turning into the miserable hater of other people I didn’t want to be.

Just took one of my boys for a 10 min jog round field, first time out since early Sunday morning. Four blokes about 20 playing football, all chatting away within 2 metres, spitting on the floor etc 

They just don’t care. 

Drives me mad 

Thing is mate 
Probably 95% of us have broken the lockdown rules one way or another.

You are having a laugh. a lot of people including me have not been outside the house.

Yes your one of the 5% then

killerandflash

clb74 said:

AFKABartram said:

I’m Turning into the miserable hater of other people I didn’t want to be.

Just took one of my boys for a 10 min jog round field, first time out since early Sunday morning. Four blokes about 20 playing football, all chatting away within 2 metres, spitting on the floor etc 

They just don’t care. 

Drives me mad 

Thing is mate 
Probably 95% of us have broken the lockdown rules one way or another.

Not really. We're allowed out for daily exercise and we're allowed out to do "essential" shopping, the majority of the people I see outside are doing that

MrWalker

clb74 said:

AFKABartram said:

I’m Turning into the miserable hater of other people I didn’t want to be.

Just took one of my boys for a 10 min jog round field, first time out since early Sunday morning. Four blokes about 20 playing football, all chatting away within 2 metres, spitting on the floor etc 

They just don’t care. 

Drives me mad 

Thing is mate 
Probably 95% of us have broken the lockdown rules one way or another.

and the great thing is, we can blame the government! Hurrah!

DA9

Covered End said:

DA9 said:

magic1999 said:

Being classified as a key worker (Shift working) driving into London this morning I was shocked at the amount of cars on the road heading into London. Over the last 3 weeks I have noticed it getting worse and worse but this morning was just like a normal working day. If you are not a key/essential worker stay at home 

Again this is due to guidelines rather than rules or laws, think it was Hancock himself who said last week that they never told anybody to stop working, and you can return to work if you can keep to social distancing guidelines, it’s no wonder people and business under strain are taking him at his word 

Did he say this ?

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11470023/companies-never-required-close-hancock/

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/coronavirus/video-2158800/Video-Matt-Hancock-Businesses-opened-never-required-close.html

Carter

clb74 said:

Johnnysummers5 said:

clb74 said:

AFKABartram said:

I’m Turning into the miserable hater of other people I didn’t want to be.

Just took one of my boys for a 10 min jog round field, first time out since early Sunday morning. Four blokes about 20 playing football, all chatting away within 2 metres, spitting on the floor etc 

They just don’t care. 

Drives me mad 

Thing is mate 
Probably 95% of us have broken the lockdown rules one way or another.

You are having a laugh. a lot of people including me have not been outside the house.

Yes your one of the 5% then

Nope chuck me in there as well. 

I've left the grounds of my home 3 times in 6 weeks, once to do a very uncomfortable and tense but excellently handled trip to the vets and twice to take shopping delivered to my house to family members homes, put on the doorstep, ring bell and fuck off.

By going into shops or doing whatever else we are allowed to do it is an interaction with other members of the human race and therefore increasing your odds of spreading and picking this horrible virus up. One of my school friends lost her dad then her mum less than a week apart to this virus, another friend lost his mum today and another friends father passed away this morning all in Medway hospital, none of them what I'd class as vulnerable all from covid-19 and all without their families being able to hold their hands or say goodbye.

For those getting right up my fucking nose now saying things along the lines of "keep the vulnerable indoors and let the rest of us out" who do they think cares for these increasingly marginalised vulnerable people? The more of us keep our arses inside the fatter the chance of normality returning in the next 12 months but nope, the country has proven to me it doesn't give a fuck about old people or anyone recovering from heart surgery, cancer treatment or just without a cast iron constitution. 5 weeks in and way too many people are doing whatever pleases them. No fear, no care for who else could be affected and often to be identified by quoting death numbers and percentage chances of them getting sick, or by never seeing their own older family members anyway to give a shit so feeling that nothing applies to them, they gonna puff their chests out, loudly tell anyone within belching distance that this is a load of bollocks innit, more people get run over every day than die of this virus chavvy.

DA9

clb74 said:

AFKABartram said:

I’m Turning into the miserable hater of other people I didn’t want to be.

Just took one of my boys for a 10 min jog round field, first time out since early Sunday morning. Four blokes about 20 playing football, all chatting away within 2 metres, spitting on the floor etc 

They just don’t care. 

Drives me mad 

Thing is mate 
Probably 95% of us have broken the lockdown rules one way or another.

I go out once a week to Asda (for me and a local older couple as I’m volunteering) and once a day for 5 minutes to start my car to make sure the battery stays charged, maybe once a fortnight so far I’ve gone for a 20 minute walk, all the time respecting social distancing, I think the vast majority are respecting the guidelines, however when outside my flat 2 days ago coming back from my car, a couple asked me where a certain flat was whilst carrying carrier bags full of lager, don’t think the guidelines were bothering them 😡

Valleysarr

Just over 26,000 have died in the UK basically a sell out Valley. Scary

bobmunro

Valleysarr said:

Just over 26,000 have died in the UK basically a sell out Valley. Scary

Yes it is scary, but it helps to get some perspective - not to diminish the tragic loss but to avoid being overwhelmed by fear.

If a full Valley represented the UK population then around 10 people in the crowd have sadly died.

colthe3rd

Todds_right_hook said:

colthe3rd said:

Todds_right_hook said:

DA9 said:

magic1999 said:

Being classified as a key worker (Shift working) driving into London this morning I was shocked at the amount of cars on the road heading into London. Over the last 3 weeks I have noticed it getting worse and worse but this morning was just like a normal working day. If you are not a key/essential worker stay at home 

Again this is due to guidelines rather than rules or laws, think it was Hancock himself who said last week that they never told anybody to stop working, and you can return to work if you can keep to social distancing guidelines, it’s no wonder people and business under strain are taking him at his word 

That’s the problem, open to interpretation and no firm rules.

i can see the confusion, it’s okay to stand 2m behind someone when queuing to buy paint at a larger sit store but it’s not okay for a single person living alone in a flat to sit on their own in a green area, away from everyone else for 20 minutes. 

The working guidelines aren't open to interpretation. If you can't be 2 metres away from someone while you work then you shouldn't be working. The guys building a house next door to me certainly aren't doing that and it's a clear breach of the rules. 

On the park thing, agree being by yourself with no one around for some distance is fine but let's be honest we can't be trusted to do that. Look at that weekend before lockdown, even when encouraged to avoid busy places everyone flocked to the parks. If people are allowed to have a rest in parks you know they'd be taking the piss and we'd have a situation where thousands are in the parks all day long. How do they get there? Presumably they'd have to walk past many other people in the streets not keeping the recommended distance. 

These guidelines are in a place for a reason. When they don't suit people they'll look for any loophole they can to try and get round them because making a small sacrifice for a few months isn't worth it it to save thousands of lives.

I never mentioned work, I purely mentioned social examples. 

you’ve brushed aside the queuing to get into a diy store part. I know local facebook pages aren’t reliable sources of information  but people were queuing for two hours to get into b an q dartford on Saturday. How is that allowed. How many people needlessly stood in line increasing the risk of spreading the virus

I agree they shouldn't be open, anything that isn't essential to life should not be open. 

bobmunro said:

Valleysarr said:

Just over 26,000 have died in the UK basically a sell out Valley. Scary

Yes it is scary, but it helps to get some perspective - not to diminish the tragic loss but to avoid being overwhelmed by fear.

If a full Valley represented the UK population then around 10 people in the crowd have sadly died.

Some perspective is also that that figure quoted is way below the true figure. We're most likely double that number and it's not even 2 months in. Let's not downplay this for a second as that's when people become complacent about the rules in place designed to protect the most vulnerable. 

killerandflash

Valleysarr said:

Just over 26,000 have died in the UK basically a sell out Valley. Scary

A terrible figure, but 165000 die of cancer in the UK EVERY YEAR, 35000 of lung cancer alone 

And 28330 died of flu in 2014/15 the worst year

This is a terrible disease, but a balance has to be made between normality and shutting society down completely, which will have other terrible affects

colthe3rd

killerandflash said:

Valleysarr said:

Just over 26,000 have died in the UK basically a sell out Valley. Scary

A terrible figure, but 165000 die of cancer in the UK EVERY YEAR, 35000 of lung cancer alone 

And 28330 died of flu in 2014/15 the worst year

This is a terrible disease, but a balance has to be made between normality and shutting society down completely, which will have other terrible affects

Can we stop this? You're comparing to the worst year in recent memory about flu and we are going to be far far higher than that figure. If we were all asked to make some small sacrifices to save thousands from cancer wouldn't we do it? This comparing to other terrible deaths and diseases does not help and belittles the hard work done by many to save thousands of lives. Yes it's a bit of inconvenience to many of us but well worth it. 

SouthWest_Addicks

colthe3rd said:

killerandflash said:

Valleysarr said:

Just over 26,000 have died in the UK basically a sell out Valley. Scary

A terrible figure, but 165000 die of cancer in the UK EVERY YEAR, 35000 of lung cancer alone 

And 28330 died of flu in 2014/15 the worst year

This is a terrible disease, but a balance has to be made between normality and shutting society down completely, which will have other terrible affects

Can we stop this? You're comparing to the worst year in recent memory about flu and we are going to be far far higher than that figure. If we were all asked to make some small sacrifices to save thousands from cancer wouldn't we do it? This comparing to other terrible deaths and diseases does not help and belittles the hard work done by many to save thousands of lives. Yes it's a bit of inconvenience to many of us but well worth it. 

I think that’s a huge understatement. Everyone has had to make huge sacrifices in the last two months, whether mentally, physically or emotionally. We will disregard all operations which aren’t taking place at the moment 

The sugar tax and smoking ban are two examples of sacrifices which have been made in the fight against cancer.

Personally, I am happy to see people like Peter Hitches challenging the data as no one else is questioning the logic behind this decision of keeping the whole nation under lockdown.

Leeds_Addick

SouthWest_Addicks said:

colthe3rd said:

killerandflash said:

Valleysarr said:

Just over 26,000 have died in the UK basically a sell out Valley. Scary

A terrible figure, but 165000 die of cancer in the UK EVERY YEAR, 35000 of lung cancer alone 

And 28330 died of flu in 2014/15 the worst year

This is a terrible disease, but a balance has to be made between normality and shutting society down completely, which will have other terrible affects

Can we stop this? You're comparing to the worst year in recent memory about flu and we are going to be far far higher than that figure. If we were all asked to make some small sacrifices to save thousands from cancer wouldn't we do it? This comparing to other terrible deaths and diseases does not help and belittles the hard work done by many to save thousands of lives. Yes it's a bit of inconvenience to many of us but well worth it. 

I think that’s a huge understatement. Everyone has had to make huge sacrifices in the last two months, whether mentally, physically or emotionally. We will disregard all operations which aren’t taking place at the moment 

The sugar tax and smoking ban are two examples of sacrifices which have been made in the fight against cancer.

Personally, I am happy to see people like Peter Hitches challenging the data as no one else is questioning the logic behind this decision of keeping the whole nation under lockdown.

There are more cases now than when lockdown started. If we start to lift it now then what was the point of the lockdown in the first place.

aliwibble

killerandflash said:

Valleysarr said:

Just over 26,000 have died in the UK basically a sell out Valley. Scary

A terrible figure, but 165000 die of cancer in the UK EVERY YEAR, 35000 of lung cancer alone 

And 28330 died of flu in 2014/15 the worst year

This is a terrible disease, but a balance has to be made between normality and shutting society down completely, which will have other terrible affects

But you can't catch cancer from a family member that has it, and we're only a third of the way through the year so far. Let's do some quick and dirty maths:

The first UK covid death was announced on 5th March, which was 55 days ago, and since then the official tally of deaths is 26,097. That averages out at 474 deaths per day. There are 245 days left this year, so if we maintained that average over the rest of the year, that works out at roughly 116,000 more deaths this year or 142,000 total. And that's not over a full 365 day period - using your figure for cancer, that works out at roughly 452 cancer deaths a day.

Now obviously, there are a number of issues with this approach as the number of daily deaths is currently higher than that average, and with the recent inclusion of care home deaths it's difficult to say whether they are still climbing, leveling off or dropping, and if they are dropping, how quickly. But this is with the current restrictions in place, and if they are eased the number of infections are likely to balloon, and with them the number of deaths.

colthe3rd

SouthWest_Addicks said:

colthe3rd said:

killerandflash said:

Valleysarr said:

Just over 26,000 have died in the UK basically a sell out Valley. Scary

A terrible figure, but 165000 die of cancer in the UK EVERY YEAR, 35000 of lung cancer alone 

And 28330 died of flu in 2014/15 the worst year

This is a terrible disease, but a balance has to be made between normality and shutting society down completely, which will have other terrible affects

Can we stop this? You're comparing to the worst year in recent memory about flu and we are going to be far far higher than that figure. If we were all asked to make some small sacrifices to save thousands from cancer wouldn't we do it? This comparing to other terrible deaths and diseases does not help and belittles the hard work done by many to save thousands of lives. Yes it's a bit of inconvenience to many of us but well worth it. 

I think that’s a huge understatement. Everyone has had to make huge sacrifices in the last two months, whether mentally, physically or emotionally. We will disregard all operations which aren’t taking place at the moment 

The sugar tax and smoking ban are two examples of sacrifices which have been made in the fight against cancer.

Personally, I am happy to see people like Peter Hitches challenging the data as no one else is questioning the logic behind this decision of keeping the whole nation under lockdown.

Famous contrarian Peter Hitchens? Sorry if I disagree with his views over what medical professionals are advising. The logic is quite clear, if you want to say you miss doing things or you can't work etc then that's fine but please don't question the medical advice of why we are doing that. Tell me how have those countries done that have had no/minor lockdowns (I include us with minor lockdowns as this is not very severe at all) versus those that have had much more stringent lockdowns? 

killerandflash

I took my car to Tesco's this morning (say 11:30) and I was surprised how QUIET the roads were. Maybe rush hour traffic is busier, but I certainly didn't see much evidence of the roads being packed out with drivers

Todds_right_hook

Leeds_Addick said:

SouthWest_Addicks said:

colthe3rd said:

killerandflash said:

Valleysarr said:

Just over 26,000 have died in the UK basically a sell out Valley. Scary

A terrible figure, but 165000 die of cancer in the UK EVERY YEAR, 35000 of lung cancer alone 

And 28330 died of flu in 2014/15 the worst year

This is a terrible disease, but a balance has to be made between normality and shutting society down completely, which will have other terrible affects

Can we stop this? You're comparing to the worst year in recent memory about flu and we are going to be far far higher than that figure. If we were all asked to make some small sacrifices to save thousands from cancer wouldn't we do it? This comparing to other terrible deaths and diseases does not help and belittles the hard work done by many to save thousands of lives. Yes it's a bit of inconvenience to many of us but well worth it. 

I think that’s a huge understatement. Everyone has had to make huge sacrifices in the last two months, whether mentally, physically or emotionally. We will disregard all operations which aren’t taking place at the moment 

The sugar tax and smoking ban are two examples of sacrifices which have been made in the fight against cancer.

Personally, I am happy to see people like Peter Hitches challenging the data as no one else is questioning the logic behind this decision of keeping the whole nation under lockdown.

There are more cases now than when lockdown started. If we start to lift it now then what was the point of the lockdown in the first place.

There is more testing now. As a percentage of cases per tests, the numbers are now lower

chev

Rumours boris Johnson is extending lockdown till june and will be announced tonight at 5pm