Big big night of football Tuesday evening a win for Luton and Hull and our backs would really be up against the wall.Seeing those sides play one another this coming Saturday. On Wedsneday Birmingham v Charlton hard place to go at the best of times and with our lack of goals from our front men things not looking good.
Also the little matter of Wigan on Saturday..By 3pm 18thjuly we could be at best looking to beat Leeds at Elland Road to stay up.
Barnsley,Charlton,Huddersfield my bottom three.
I'm assuming you think Wigan's deduction will be overturned then?
If Hull win on Tuesday, that leaves Wigan on 42 with the deduction (as they play each other) . So you have them overtaking Huddersfield with 2 games left, who are already on 47?
Also, you have both Hull and Luton surviving, even though they're both currently in the relegation zone and both still have to play each other?
I'm not looking at this with rose-tinted glasses, and I'm very much 50:50 on whether I think we will survive, but for me you have to have one of Hull, Luton or Wigan in the bottom 3 just based on the fact that 2/3 are already there (deduction or no deduction) and they face one another.
No i do not think Wigans deduction we be overturned.......but i think Wigan stand abetter chance than us at staying up......if we get a winner in our remaining games it will not come from a forward.
With three rounds of fixtures to go, there still isn't a single Championship club mathematically guaranteed to be in the division next season.
(although that's ignoring the impact of Wigan's as-yet-unapplied points deduction)
A rare season, unbelievable there’s this much to play for with 3 games remaining.
Yup
Which makes unweighted PPG even more of a scandal in the other leagues (and nearly ours). Interesting how the probability still has us in 22nd place with the same amount of likelihood as Hull, who are actually in that position and have others in the relegation zone to play.
If PPG had happened, what would have happened with Wigan and possibly Weds, I assume they would have the points deducted next season
If they had ended the season then yes.
Unless Barnsley Threatened legal action and this resulted in the EFL deciding not to formally close the season until the Sheffield Wednesday hearing had been concluded. Unlikely IMO.
If PPG had happened, what would have happened with Wigan and possibly Weds, I assume they would have the points deducted next season
Presumably Wigan would have started next season on -12.
Wednesday more complicated as they'd already been charged, so the offence surely would have had to have a definite answer this season, whether that was a deduction, fine, innocence.
If PPG had happened, what would have happened with Wigan and possibly Weds, I assume they would have the points deducted next season
Presumably Wigan would have started next season on -12.
Wednesday more complicated as they'd already been charged, so the offence surely would have had to have a definite answer this season, whether that was a deduction, fine, innocence.
It is impossible for us to know. I am not even convinced Wednesdays (appropriate) punishment will be dished out this term.
If PPG had happened, what would have happened with Wigan and possibly Weds, I assume they would have the points deducted next season
Presumably Wigan would have started next season on -12.
Wednesday more complicated as they'd already been charged, so the offence surely would have had to have a definite answer this season, whether that was a deduction, fine, innocence.
It is impossible for us to know. I am not even convinced Wednesdays (appropriate) punishment will be dished out at all
beat Birmingham and with the others playing each other in last 3 games, I can't see 2 of Hull, Wigan, Luton and Barnsley getting above us. Doubt if Birmingham will either. This is the key game.
Of course the Birmingham game is important but even if we lose i still think we will survive if we beat Wigan on Saturday. They can't then beat us (providing the 12 point deduction stands of course) and i think 49 points will at worst keep us up on Goal difference. Anybody's guess on how it will end up but i like Luton's chances of surviving with their last 3 games so my 3 to go down are Barnsley, Hull & Wigan.
Of course the Birmingham game is important but even if we lose i still think we will survive if we beat Wigan on Saturday. They can't then beat us (providing the 12 point deduction stands of course) and i think 49 points will at worst keep us up on Goal difference. Anybody's guess on how it will end up but i like Luton's chances of surviving with their last 3 games so my 3 to go down are Barnsley, Hull & Wigan.
That's a huge if though if we can't beat Birmingham
I know there's only been two, but since this is the first midweek since the restart where we are playing on the Wednesday I wonder how knowing the shape of the table before we kick off will affect anything.
I know there's only been two, but since this is the first midweek since the restart where we are playing on the Wednesday I wonder how knowing the shape of the table before we kick off will affect anything.
We do better when its clear whats needed of us... take the performances prior to Hull for example and then the performance against them
People will scoff because its clear what was needed of us when we faced Reading but its even more clearer when everyone else has played
If PPG had happened, what would have happened with Wigan and possibly Weds, I assume they would have the points deducted next season
Presumably Wigan would have started next season on -12.
Wednesday more complicated as they'd already been charged, so the offence surely would have had to have a definite answer this season, whether that was a deduction, fine, innocence.
It is impossible for us to know. I am not even convinced Wednesdays (appropriate) punishment will be dished out this term.
Starting to think this too. They've left it so late now and then there will probably be an appeal.
Wigan to beat Hull... Wigan I feel needed four points from their four games prior to Fulham on the last day to recover the 12-pt deduction, the Barnsley draw scuppered that, failure to win tonight and I think they're gone
Luton to draw with QPR... Of course a win for the away team is the best result but they've been awful and dont see it happening
Sheffield Wednesday to beat Huddersfield, even if the former are given a points deduction I still think they're too strong a side and would get out of the bottom three anyway, Huddersfield on the other hand will surely be safe with a win now
Of course the Birmingham game is important but even if we lose i still think we will survive if we beat Wigan on Saturday. They can't then beat us (providing the 12 point deduction stands of course) and i think 49 points will at worst keep us up on Goal difference. Anybody's guess on how it will end up but i like Luton's chances of surviving with their last 3 games so my 3 to go down are Barnsley, Hull & Wigan.
Of course the Birmingham game is important but even if we lose i still think we will survive if we beat Wigan on Saturday. They can't then beat us (providing the 12 point deduction stands of course) and i think 49 points will at worst keep us up on Goal difference. Anybody's guess on how it will end up but i like Luton's chances of surviving with their last 3 games so my 3 to go down are Barnsley, Hull & Wigan.
Agree with this BUT... We'll be putting unnecessary pressure on ourselves if we do have to beat Wigan
Wigan to beat Hull... Wigan I feel needed four points from their four games prior to Fulham on the last day to recover the 12-pt deduction, the Barnsley draw scuppered that, failure to win tonight and I think they're gone
Luton to draw with QPR... Of course a win for the away team is the best result but they've been awful and dont see it happening
Sheffield Wednesday to beat Huddersfield, even if the former are given a points deduction I still think they're too strong a side and would get out of the bottom three anyway, Huddersfield on the other hand will surely be safe with a win now
I agree, we need to win tomorrow, draw with Wigan to kill their chances off. The pressure the other way around may be unbearable and with no strikers in form, could be really disastrous. That said, if Leeds are Champs after the penultimate round, they could all be intoxicated and we will continue our hoodoo over them.
Wigan to beat Hull... Wigan I feel needed four points from their four games prior to Fulham on the last day to recover the 12-pt deduction, the Barnsley draw scuppered that, failure to win tonight and I think they're gone
Luton to draw with QPR... Of course a win for the away team is the best result but they've been awful and dont see it happening
Sheffield Wednesday to beat Huddersfield, even if the former are given a points deduction I still think they're too strong a side and would get out of the bottom three anyway, Huddersfield on the other hand will surely be safe with a win now
Surely you want a Hull win then?
Sorry I worded that really badly as I always do
I think Wigan are gone now, they needed the 12-pts from these four game prior to the Fulham game... Because of the Barnsley draw I think they are gone
If Hull lose and we win tomorrow then thats them both four behind us, think anything other than a Hull win tonight dooms both Wigan and Hull
Barnsley I'm afraid are down, Saturday against Wigan was their last real hope of closing the gap enough to pinch a win - Of course we suddenly cant rule out Luton, I was a bit dismissive of them last week but regretting that a little bit now... Worst case tomorrow we draw which puts us above Middlesbrough and Huddersfield (I hope) meaning we just have to match their results for two games
Wigan to beat Hull... Wigan I feel needed four points from their four games prior to Fulham on the last day to recover the 12-pt deduction, the Barnsley draw scuppered that, failure to win tonight and I think they're gone
Luton to draw with QPR... Of course a win for the away team is the best result but they've been awful and dont see it happening
Sheffield Wednesday to beat Huddersfield, even if the former are given a points deduction I still think they're too strong a side and would get out of the bottom three anyway, Huddersfield on the other hand will surely be safe with a win now
Surely you want a Hull win then?
Sorry I worded that really badly as I always do
I think Wigan are gone now, they needed the 12-pts from these four game prior to the Fulham game... Because of the Barnsley draw I think they are gone
If Hull lose and we win tomorrow then thats them both four behind us, think anything other than a Hull win tonight dooms both Wigan and Hull
Barnsley I'm afraid are down, Saturday against Wigan was their last real hope of closing the gap enough to pinch a win - Of course we suddenly cant rule out Luton, I was a bit dismissive of them last week but regretting that a little bit now... Worst case tomorrow we draw which puts us above Middlesbrough and Huddersfield (I hope) meaning we just have to match their results for two games
If Wigan beat Hull and us, they'll be on net 48 points before Fulham, so still with a great chance of staying up especially if we don't win tomorrow as their GD is good
Even if we beat Brum to go onto 49, if we lose to Leeds, a draw against Fulham will mean they overtake us
Wigan to beat Hull... Wigan I feel needed four points from their four games prior to Fulham on the last day to recover the 12-pt deduction, the Barnsley draw scuppered that, failure to win tonight and I think they're gone
Luton to draw with QPR... Of course a win for the away team is the best result but they've been awful and dont see it happening
Sheffield Wednesday to beat Huddersfield, even if the former are given a points deduction I still think they're too strong a side and would get out of the bottom three anyway, Huddersfield on the other hand will surely be safe with a win now
Surely you want a Hull win then?
Sorry I worded that really badly as I always do
I think Wigan are gone now, they needed the 12-pts from these four game prior to the Fulham game... Because of the Barnsley draw I think they are gone
If Hull lose and we win tomorrow then thats them both four behind us, think anything other than a Hull win tonight dooms both Wigan and Hull
Barnsley I'm afraid are down, Saturday against Wigan was their last real hope of closing the gap enough to pinch a win - Of course we suddenly cant rule out Luton, I was a bit dismissive of them last week but regretting that a little bit now... Worst case tomorrow we draw which puts us above Middlesbrough and Huddersfield (I hope) meaning we just have to match their results for two games
If Wigan beat Hull and us, they'll be on net 48 points before Fulham, so still with a great chance of staying up especially if we don't win tomorrow as their GD is good
Even if we beat Brum to go onto 49, if we lose to Leeds, a draw against Fulham will mean they overtake us
But then will we be above Huddersfield and Middlesbrough?
Both of them have challenging fixtures: Sheff Wed | West Brom | Millwall for the former; Reading | Cardiff | Sheff Wed for the latter
I think if we can get three points tomorrow and go above those two then I think we'll stay above them
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Unless Barnsley Threatened legal action and this resulted in the EFL deciding not to formally close the season until the Sheffield Wednesday hearing had been concluded. Unlikely IMO.
Wednesday more complicated as they'd already been charged, so the offence surely would have had to have a definite answer this season, whether that was a deduction, fine, innocence.
Also we have an additional day's rest when compared to Brum whereas Wigan will have had an additional day's rest to us
People will scoff because its clear what was needed of us when we faced Reading but its even more clearer when everyone else has played
Luton to draw with QPR... Of course a win for the away team is the best result but they've been awful and dont see it happening
Sheffield Wednesday to beat Huddersfield, even if the former are given a points deduction I still think they're too strong a side and would get out of the bottom three anyway, Huddersfield on the other hand will surely be safe with a win now
Tonight -
Wins for
West Brom
Reading
Cardiff
QPR
Blackburn
Draws for
Wednesday/Hudds
Wigan/Hull
Tomorrow -
Wins:
Brentford
Bristol City
Charlton
Draws:
Forest/Swansea
QPR win
Reading win
Sheff Weds/Huddersfield draw
is probably best all round for us
I think Wigan are gone now, they needed the 12-pts from these four game prior to the Fulham game... Because of the Barnsley draw I think they are gone
If Hull lose and we win tomorrow then thats them both four behind us, think anything other than a Hull win tonight dooms both Wigan and Hull
Barnsley I'm afraid are down, Saturday against Wigan was their last real hope of closing the gap enough to pinch a win - Of course we suddenly cant rule out Luton, I was a bit dismissive of them last week but regretting that a little bit now... Worst case tomorrow we draw which puts us above Middlesbrough and Huddersfield (I hope) meaning we just have to match their results for two games
Even if we beat Brum to go onto 49, if we lose to Leeds, a draw against Fulham will mean they overtake us
Both of them have challenging fixtures: Sheff Wed | West Brom | Millwall for the former; Reading | Cardiff | Sheff Wed for the latter
I think if we can get three points tomorrow and go above those two then I think we'll stay above them
At the same time I expect Hull to win and both them and Wigan will be safe.
We go down with Bowyer clinging to the bow of the ship screaming it was the refs that done us in.