Something inside me thinks that Wigan will get out if it. Will win their next 2 & then face us. We haven't got the bottle & will lose.
That's an about turn isn't it, I thought you was saying there's no way the points deduction couldn't happen a few days ago?
Even WITH a 12 point deduction, Wigan are on 53 now and only need 1 win and 2 draws to be level on points with us (and one of their games is against us). After todays win, I can see Wigan getting deducted and still not going down, which is a hell of a feat.
Which was what I meant. They have been on such a good run & are not only not losing but winning most of their games. I can see them winning their next 3 & staying up.
Wigan next 3 games are v Barnsley, Hull & us. Sorry to say I reckon they will win all 3. So as others have said above; even with a 12 point deduction they will probably survive, and deserve to. Fancy Hull to be the third to be relegated, the wendies richly deserve it but I have a bad feeling they are going to escape this year.
Now that we’ve all played 5 games post-lockdown (except Leeds and Stoke), interesting to see the form table for 5 games. Only posted us and below teams. Wigan have 12 points from 5 games, Barnsley with 8 points.
Absolutely astounded that Millwall's only win was against us............
Stoke's % i guess is based on the fact they have an extra game to play, but if they don't beat Birmingham it's quite feasible they might not get another win, so not sure their % should be lower than ours.
I can't see them getting more points from these games than we will from our 4.
Their run in is:
Leeds away Birmingham home Bristol City away Brentford home Forest away
Stoke will have enough as well as brum game that they have a chance in Bristol city have nowt to play for and forest could be secure in the play off zone come last game and Brentford may be the same as well
Can't rule out Sheffield Wednesday either. A 12 point deduction puts them on 40 points and probably needing at least 10 points from their last 4 games, and even that might not be enough.
Surely a decision on them has to be reached today or tomorrow.
In some ways, I would like Birmingham to stick five goals on Stoke on Sunday. It will mean Brum are relatively safe by the time we play them next week. Stoke have got a nasty three games after playing Birmingham with trips to Bristol City and Notts Forest and a home game with Brentford.
Stoke's % i guess is based on the fact they have an extra game to play, but if they don't beat Birmingham it's quite feasible they might not get another win, so not sure their % should be lower than ours.
I can't see them getting more points from these games than we will from our 4.
Their run in is:
Leeds away Birmingham home Bristol City away Brentford home Forest away
The problem with those last four, is they'll have potentially nothing to play for apart from maybe Birmingham. Bristol City can't do anything, Brentford may be out of touch with Leeds / WBA by then & Forest will most likely have sewn up 5th place. So the latter two may be resting players ready for the playoffs. I wouldn't be surprised if they picked up 5 points from those five games.
After looking at the run ins again, I think we need two wins now to be sure but I can't see us getting them. Have a feeling it could come down to GD between us and Hull.
Sorry Redrobo, I've read this and it definitely does not say an appeal has been heard and declined. It says.
"The EFL has confirmed it will issue Wigan Athletic a 12-point deduction despite talk of a possible appeal."
It kind of does say their appeal won't be heard. You just have to read between the lines.
I understand what you are both saying, but I disagree. I interpret that as the EFL will be deducting them 12 points and if Wigan appeal they won't win (in EFL's view).
However, Wigan have appointed a QC and will be appealing.
I anticipate the appeal being rejected, but nonetheless they will be appealing.
Obviously they're appealing, as they have nothing to lose by doing so.
Pretty sure Sheffield Wednesday will also appeal if they're given a deduction too, anything to try and string it out.
Worst case scenario they lose the appeal and get -12 anyway. Best case scenario, they win the appeal. Next best scenario, they drag it out so long they just start next season with -12 but stay in the championship for one more season.
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From what I have just read on the internet the EFL have rejected appeal and the 12 point deduction will be deducted.
Can you give us the link where it says the appeal has been heard and rejected, thanks?
Sorry to say I reckon they will win all 3.
So as others have said above; even with a 12 point deduction they will probably survive, and deserve to.
Fancy Hull to be the third to be relegated, the wendies richly deserve it but I have a bad feeling they are going to escape this year.
Luton relegated 92%
Barnsley relegated 89%
Hull relegated 26%
Charlton relegated 21%
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/soccer-predictions/championship/
I can't see them getting more points from these games than we will from our 4.
Their run in is:
Leeds away
Birmingham home
Bristol City away
Brentford home
Forest away
Haven't kept a clean sheet at home since October, and have conceded at least 3 goals in 8 of their last 11 home games.
Thankfully for them, (like us) their form up to October has kept them from being cut adrift at the bottom of the table.
Surely a decision on them has to be reached today or tomorrow.
After looking at the run ins again, I think we need two wins now to be sure but I can't see us getting them. Have a feeling it could come down to GD between us and Hull.
"The EFL has confirmed it will issue Wigan Athletic a 12-point deduction despite talk of a possible appeal."
I interpret that as the EFL will be deducting them 12 points and if Wigan appeal they won't win (in EFL's view).
However, Wigan have appointed a QC and will be appealing.
I anticipate the appeal being rejected, but nonetheless they will be appealing.
Pretty sure Sheffield Wednesday will also appeal if they're given a deduction too, anything to try and string it out.
Worst case scenario they lose the appeal and get -12 anyway.
Best case scenario, they win the appeal.
Next best scenario, they drag it out so long they just start next season with -12 but stay in the championship for one more season.
Moves us up one place.