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The mathematics of relegation
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I think this could be right.killerandflash said:Get the win tomorrow, and the pressure is on Huddersfield, seeing that they have to play West Brom and Millwall and have a worse GD than we do. On 48 points they could easily be caught by Luton and Wigan
After tomorrow night, it's not outrageous to think that both Huddersfield and Birmingham may not get another point.
The theory of sequences says that we will draw with Birmingham, but maybe it's time for Hemed to scuff one?0 -
Presuming Barnsley get nothing at Leeds on Thursday, 1 more win for us and a Hull/Luton draw on Saturday and we are basically safe barring a big goal difference change. Lets hope we can get at least something tomorrow night.
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I really think winning tomorrow keeps us up. If the Stoke result goes our way as well then we go above Stoke, Birmingham and Huddersfield.
Even though the points gaps between the teams will still be ridiculouslly tight, the more teams below us the better. The odds of them all leapfrogging us again in the final 2 games is slim
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Tomorrow night determines the season in my eyes.Win - we will be ok. Lose and we are down. Draw is probably not enough but there would be a little hope.Must win. No messing. Got to get the job done. Shit or bust I am afraid.1
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Just said to Golfie Jnr that tomorrow evening is one of the biggest game in years. Maybe even trumping last May. Question is, do we have the balls ??WelshValley said:Tomorrow night determines the season in my eyes.Win - we will be ok. Lose and we are down. Draw is probably not enough but there would be a little hope.Must win. No messing. Got to get the job done. Shit or bust I am afraid.1 -
Oooh......isn't getting exciting. Just like xmas.RedRyan said:The highest Hull OR Luton can get is 51 which puts the other on 48 max. They could split the profit at 49 each.Wigan’s highest point total is 51, but if we beat them we’ll finish above them.
Barnsley, having not played tonight, could still in theory make it to 52. With their rotten run in, I’m praying they’re adrift but mathematically speaking can’t discount them.
So 6 and 7’ depending on Wigan’s deduction. Hopefully dropping to 6’ tomorrow with a Barnsley loss, of which we’ll pick 3 up from a glorious 1-0 win over Brum.0 -
Sorry if on another thread. But if Barnsley lose to Leeds Thursday, even if we lose to Birmingham it matters not. Beat Wigan Saturday and we stay up. We'll be a net 4 points clear of Wigan, hull and Luton could only get a maximum of 49 points if they draw and if one wins only 48 points for the other. Plus we have a far superior goal average to both. And Barnsley could only get 49 points, and we have a much better goal average. So come on Leeds!
Rather we win tomorrow of course as well!1 -
Only problem with that is when we capitulate 17-0 to Leeds on the last game of the season and drift into third from bottom by a goal difference of 1...Mortimerwasgod said:Sorry if on another thread. But if Barnsley lose to Leeds Thursday, even if we lose to Birmingham it matters not. Beat Wigan Saturday and we stay up. We'll be a net 4 points clear of Wigan, hull and Luton could only get a maximum of 49 points if they draw and if one wins only 48 points for the other. Plus we have a far superior goal average to both. And Barnsley could only get 49 points, and we have a much better goal average. So come on Leeds!
Rather we win tomorrow of course as well!
I kid but yes this does bring some comfort. I fancy our chances over Birmingham more than Wigan though...2 -
Agreed that if we win we stay up.WelshValley said:Tomorrow night determines the season in my eyes.Win - we will be ok. Lose and we are down. Draw is probably not enough but there would be a little hope.Must win. No messing. Got to get the job done. Shit or bust I am afraid.
However, Birmingham's sequence of results is so poor it is ripe for them to get the 3 points and put massive pressure on a win against Wigan.
My money says we get a point and the nerves continue.1 -
Tonight is the chance and we simply must take it.
Birmingham - 0 wins in 11, 1 home win in 14, conceded 3 goals in each of their last 5 home games.
Wigan - 1 defeat in 13 (at Brentford), 8 wins in 11, 10 clean sheets in 11 games.
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Chris_from_Sidcup said:Tonight is the chance and we simply must take it.
Birmingham - 0 wins in 11, 1 home win in 14, conceded 3 goals in each of their last 5 home games.
Wigan - 1 defeat in 13 (at Brentford), 8 wins in 11, 10 clean sheets in 11 games. That sure puts the importance of tonight in context!0 -
Speaking to Leeds fans and any result on the last day of the season (assuming Leeds are already up) which relegates Huddersfield they’ll take...0
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Fans would, but the players won’t.Yorkshireaddick said:Speaking to Leeds fans and any result on the last day of the season (assuming Leeds are already up) which relegates Huddersfield they’ll take...1 -
Or Sheffield Wednesday, if their deduction happens this side of Christmas.Yorkshireaddick said:Speaking to Leeds fans and any result on the last day of the season (assuming Leeds are already up) which relegates Huddersfield they’ll take...0 -
Not impossible the bottom 3 could be all Yorkshire, Barnsley, Hull and Huddersfield/Wednesday2
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Be a right shame were that t'happenkillerandflash said:Not impossible the bottom 3 could be all Yorkshire, Barnsley, Hull and Huddersfield/Wednesday6 -
Oh dear, what a pity, never mindkillerandflash said:Not impossible the bottom 3 could be all Yorkshire, Barnsley, Hull and Huddersfield/Wednesday1 -
We fire up the Flux Capacitor once again.
As the game at Birmingham kicks off, a reminder that R=6 and R'=7.0 -
R=5.
R'=6.
Nothing else to say.0 -
After tonight's Leeds 1-0 Barnsley result, both R and R' now sit at 5.3
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Hmmmmm. OK but why use the same letter for two different things? Why not X&Z for example?Friend Or Defoe said:
Read the first post of the thread.jimmymelrose said:What's R&R?
Tomorrow's game is massive, lose and we're in deep trouble, win and we put Birmingham in danger and give ourselves some wiggle room.0 -
You did read the first post?jimmymelrose said:
Hmmmmm. OK but why use the same letter for two different things? Why not X&Z for example?Friend Or Defoe said:
Read the first post of the thread.jimmymelrose said:What's R&R?
Tomorrow's game is massive, lose and we're in deep trouble, win and we put Birmingham in danger and give ourselves some wiggle room.
(R & R' are two different things, though the value of each is now the same)0 -
We chose R for Relegation. And there are two numbers (R and R') to deal with the fact that we don't yet know about the fate of Wigan.jimmymelrose said:
Hmmmmm. OK but why use the same letter for two different things? Why not X&Z for example?Friend Or Defoe said:
Read the first post of the thread.jimmymelrose said:What's R&R?
Tomorrow's game is massive, lose and we're in deep trouble, win and we put Birmingham in danger and give ourselves some wiggle room.
I guess if we'd chosen X and Y, someone might have said "why use different letters for the same thing?"
Not you, of course ... but someone.1 -
You obviously don't know him then.....Dave Rudd said:
We chose R for Relegation. And there are two numbers (R and R') to deal with the fact that we don't yet know about the fate of Wigan.jimmymelrose said:
Hmmmmm. OK but why use the same letter for two different things? Why not X&Z for example?Friend Or Defoe said:
Read the first post of the thread.jimmymelrose said:What's R&R?
Tomorrow's game is massive, lose and we're in deep trouble, win and we put Birmingham in danger and give ourselves some wiggle room.
I guess if we'd chosen X and Y, someone might have said "why use different letters for the same thing?"
Not you, of course ... but someone.1 -
Saturday will see whoever scores first win.Chris_from_Sidcup said:Tonight is the chance and we simply must take it.
Birmingham - 0 wins in 11, 1 home win in 14, conceded 3 goals in each of their last 5 home games.
Wigan - 1 defeat in 13 (at Brentford), 8 wins in 11, 10 clean sheets in 11 games.0 -
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Agreed, i don't think we've come from behind to win a game since Wembley, so we're done if Wigan score first.ElfsborgAddick said:
Saturday will see whoever scores first win.Chris_from_Sidcup said:Tonight is the chance and we simply must take it.
Birmingham - 0 wins in 11, 1 home win in 14, conceded 3 goals in each of their last 5 home games.
Wigan - 1 defeat in 13 (at Brentford), 8 wins in 11, 10 clean sheets in 11 games.0 -
Beat Bristol City over Christmas 3-2 after being 2-1 behind.0
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If we can avoid giving them a penalty or someone getting sent off/carried off, that would be a start...1
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Have we won a game in which we've conceded first?iaitch said:Beat Bristol City over Christmas 3-2 after being 2-1 behind.0
