Akin Famewo - sold to Sheff Wed by Norwich (p13)

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Equally, I'm not saying that it is solely down to him, but since James Beadle, our other ex-player that has gone there, Weds have picked up 16 points from 10 games (1.6 points per game) including 5 clean sheets (50.0%). That is opposed to the previous 27 games where they collected 22 points (half the number per game at 0.8 points) and had just 4 clean sheets (14.8%). They've started together in 4 games with 7 points taken (1.75 per game).

There was a fear from some, including "Massive" fans, that a relegation battle wasn't something that a rookie 19 year old who is bound to make the odd mistake at least learning his game, would be a liability. I think it's fair to say that he is proving them wrong now given that they are just two points off being out of the relegation zone, having looked at one point as being doomed. 

Although Beadle might have been only 17 when Famewo was there, he would have trained with the first team, I wouldn't mind betting that the management asked Famewo about his character and whether he thought that Beadle was up to the job not just from a pure technical perspective. Whatever the case, I think it's probably quite difficult for us to criticise either of them given they are both playing at a standard we can only currently dream of. For now at least because they aren't out of trouble yet. 

iaitch

They appointed a new manager, maybe his ideas are getting through to his squad, just like NJ has improved our results. 

RC_CAFC

Danny Rohl is annoyingly doing an outstanding job at Wednesday. They were absolutely dead and buried before he went to there. If they go down and keep him, they’ll be challenging right at the top. The comfort is that Wednesday going down is always funny and Chansiri normally finds a way of messing things up. 

As for Famewo, seen him a couple of times this season and he doesn’t really seem to have progressed much since we had him. His positioning in the Leeds game this weekend was really poor and his passing was very hit and miss. His physicality remains good and his pace can get him out of a few tricky situations. 

Kips

RC_CAFC said:

Danny Rohl is annoyingly doing an outstanding job at Wednesday. They were absolutely dead and buried before he went to there. If they go down and keep him, they’ll be challenging right at the top. The comfort is that Wednesday going down is always funny and Chansiri normally finds a way of messing things up. 

As for Famewo, seen him a couple of times this season and he doesn’t really seem to have progressed much since we had him. His positioning in the Leeds game this weekend was really poor and his passing was very hit and miss. His physicality remains good and his pace can get him out of a few tricky situations. 

It's not really annoying. I'd rather face Huddersfield or QPR than Sheff Wed in L1 next season .

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iaitch said:

They appointed a new manager, maybe his ideas are getting through to his squad, just like NJ has improved our results. 

True and there was an immediate and obvious improvement. However, Rohl was appointed 5 months ago and during the first 19 games, Wed picked up 18 points (3 clean sheets) I.e. less than a point a game which wouldn't have been enough to keep them up. It is the last 7 games, where they've won 5, that have been of NJ proportions. In fact, their two defeats were against the best two teams in the division, Leicester and Leeds with both games being 2-0.

Weds signed three players in the window - Pedersen (just one start in a 4-0 defeat), Beadle and Ugbo. It's Ugbo's vital 6 goals and Beadle's contribution in improving the defence (Famewo only started two of those wins) with one goal conceded in those 5 wins, that have got them 15 points, especially as three of those wins were by a single goal (and they had to play with 10 players for the last 15 minutes against Birmingham in their 2-1 win).

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It appears that no one might be able to save them

https://twitter.com/swfc/status/1767488724420506094?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

Leuth

The heart bleeds for either Sheffield club, eh

killerandflash

RC_CAFC said:

Danny Rohl is annoyingly doing an outstanding job at Wednesday. They were absolutely dead and buried before he went to there. If they go down and keep him, they’ll be challenging right at the top. The comfort is that Wednesday going down is always funny and Chansiri normally finds a way of messing things up. 

As for Famewo, seen him a couple of times this season and he doesn’t really seem to have progressed much since we had him. His positioning in the Leeds game this weekend was really poor and his passing was very hit and miss. His physicality remains good and his pace can get him out of a few tricky situations. 

The annoying thing is that it won't be at the expense of Millwall.

SomervilleAddick

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It appears that no one might be able to save them

https://twitter.com/swfc/status/1767488724420506094?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

That’s not going to cost them points. Fine or partial ground closure. 

ElfsborgAddick

RC_CAFC said:

Danny Rohl is annoyingly doing an outstanding job at Wednesday. They were absolutely dead and buried before he went to there. If they go down and keep him, they’ll be challenging right at the top. The comfort is that Wednesday going down is always funny and Chansiri normally finds a way of messing things up. 

As for Famewo, seen him a couple of times this season and he doesn’t really seem to have progressed much since we had him. His positioning in the Leeds game this weekend was really poor and his passing was very hit and miss. His physicality remains good and his pace can get him out of a few tricky situations. 

Rohl has got Sir Chris Powell with him to assist.

I have loads of mates who are Wednesday and they accept that it will be a bonus if they stay up, BUT are very happy with the current management set up.

ct_addick

Wendnesday should have been sent down instead of us from the Championship.....EFL bottled it

Callumcafc

Throw the book at them and Millwall, they should both be relegated for such behaviour. Disgraceful.

JustFloydRoad

Contract ends 30th June. It seems refreshing being the team chasing a player out of contract.
https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/charlton-athletic-eyeing-move-for-sheffield-wednesday-centre-back/


Would you take him back?

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It's not a position that we are desperate to fill at this stage is it? We have Gillesphey, Jones, Alex Mitchell, Zach Mitchell and Ramsay. It would mean offloading one of those for a player that only started 11 games last season. 

I would prefer us to spend all our time and resources searching out those midfield and attacking players that are going to make the difference. 

swordfish

JustFloydRoad said:

Contract ends 30th June. It seems refreshing being the team chasing a player out of contract.
https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/charlton-athletic-eyeing-move-for-sheffield-wednesday-centre-back/


Would you take him back?

Out of contract but not unwanted there having been offered a new deal.

I seem to remember him having a fairly lengthy spell out injured when with us before, so his injury record is a worry, but if NJ wants him, our doctor is happy with him, and with our relaid training pitches reducing the likelihood of further muscular strains, then yes I would because he has more Championship experience than our existing options at the back.

However, because he's coming back from a serious injury and lay off, he'd need to have his game time carefully managed. I doubt we'd see him at his best initially, so I wouldn't be quick to judge.  

Just a rumour though, but I'd give it a like. 

Scoham

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It's not a position that we are desperate to fill at this stage is it? We have Gillesphey, Jones, Alex Mitchell, Zach Mitchell and Ramsay. It would mean offloading one of those for a player that only started 11 games last season. 

I would prefer us to spend all our time and resources searching out those midfield and attacking players that are going to make the difference. 

As a left footer he’d be a replacement for McIntyre. I’d say it’s a gap we need to fill, otherwise Gillesphey will be our only option in the LCB position.

carly burn

I liked him. Very athletic. He'd be fighting Gillesphey for a spot if the formation is to say the same.
A lot has been said if you look back through this thread about some poor distribution traits. Same could've been said about Gilesphey before Jones got hold of him.
Injuries more of a concern for me.

cafc_se7

carly burn said:

I liked him. Very athletic. He'd be fighting Gillesphey for a spot if the formation is to say the same.
A lot has been said if you look back through this thread about some poor distribution traits. Same could've been said about Gilesphey before Jones got hold of him.
Injuries more of a concern for me.

This.

cantersaddick

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It's not a position that we are desperate to fill at this stage is it? We have Gillesphey, Jones, Alex Mitchell, Zach Mitchell and Ramsay. It would mean offloading one of those for a player that only started 11 games last season. 

I would prefer us to spend all our time and resources searching out those midfield and attacking players that are going to make the difference. 

I'm not sold on Famewo mostly because I'm worried about the injuries he's had and how it's affected him. But this absolutely does not mean we need to offload someone. In the championship you need a proper squad with depth in every position, you cannot get away with smaller squads like you can in League 1. We need numbers and depth like we haven't had for a long time. 

We should be aiming for 2 on every position so that's 6 across the back 3. Depends on NJ's view of Zach whether he's in the 6 or has to force his way into the 6.

We treat the back 3 like specialist positions so need a dedicated LCB to compete with Gilly  

ShootersHillGuru

cantersaddick said:

Addick Addict said:

It's not a position that we are desperate to fill at this stage is it? We have Gillesphey, Jones, Alex Mitchell, Zach Mitchell and Ramsay. It would mean offloading one of those for a player that only started 11 games last season. 

I would prefer us to spend all our time and resources searching out those midfield and attacking players that are going to make the difference. 

I'm not sold on Famewo mostly because I'm worried about the injuries he's had and how it's affected him. But this absolutely does not mean we need to offload someone. In the championship you need a proper squad with depth in every position, you cannot get away with smaller squads like you can in League 1. We need numbers and depth like we haven't had for a long time. 

We should be aiming for 2 on every position so that's 6 across the back 3. Depends on NJ's view of Zach whether he's in the 6 or has to force his way into the 6.

We treat the back 3 like specialist positions zso eed a dedicated LCB to compete with Gilly  

McIntyre has departed so it would just fill the gap left by him. 

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cantersaddick said:

Addick Addict said:

It's not a position that we are desperate to fill at this stage is it? We have Gillesphey, Jones, Alex Mitchell, Zach Mitchell and Ramsay. It would mean offloading one of those for a player that only started 11 games last season. 

I would prefer us to spend all our time and resources searching out those midfield and attacking players that are going to make the difference. 

I'm not sold on Famewo mostly because I'm worried about the injuries he's had and how it's affected him. But this absolutely does not mean we need to offload someone. In the championship you need a proper squad with depth in every position, you cannot get away with smaller squads like you can in League 1. We need numbers and depth like we haven't had for a long time. 

We should be aiming for 2 on every position so that's 6 across the back 3. Depends on NJ's view of Zach whether he's in the 6 or has to force his way into the 6.

We treat the back 3 like specialist positions so need a dedicated LCB to compete with Gilly  

Agreed that's two serious injuries he's had in the last three seasons - 6 months out between August 2022 and not again 'til January 2023 (17 appearances) and then another 5 months out last season (13 appearances). We've been here before haven't we? And it's no use saying that he passed all the relevant tests now because at any given time Chuks might pass a fitness test. 

Equally you can't, financially, have an infinite squad. Does the fact that we play three CBs when others play two means that we have to have two more players in our squad than those other clubs? I would rather we went for someone with proven fitness and who can double up at LCB and LWB. What's Hermann doing these days?  

Steven81

Hopefully we get Phil Jones in aswell.

DubaiCAFC

Doesn’t seem a Jones type of signing 

ShootersHillGuru

Addick Addict said:

cantersaddick said:

Addick Addict said:

It's not a position that we are desperate to fill at this stage is it? We have Gillesphey, Jones, Alex Mitchell, Zach Mitchell and Ramsay. It would mean offloading one of those for a player that only started 11 games last season. 

I would prefer us to spend all our time and resources searching out those midfield and attacking players that are going to make the difference. 

I'm not sold on Famewo mostly because I'm worried about the injuries he's had and how it's affected him. But this absolutely does not mean we need to offload someone. In the championship you need a proper squad with depth in every position, you cannot get away with smaller squads like you can in League 1. We need numbers and depth like we haven't had for a long time. 

We should be aiming for 2 on every position so that's 6 across the back 3. Depends on NJ's view of Zach whether he's in the 6 or has to force his way into the 6.

We treat the back 3 like specialist positions so need a dedicated LCB to compete with Gilly  

Agreed that's two serious injuries he's had in the last three seasons - 6 months out between August 2022 and not again 'til January 2023 (17 appearances) and then another 5 months out last season (13 appearances). We've been here before haven't we? And it's no use saying that he passed all the relevant tests now because at any given time Chuks might pass a fitness test. 

Equally you can't, financially, have an infinite squad. Does the fact that we play three CBs when others play two means that we have to have two more players in our squad than those other clubs? I would rather we went for someone with proven fitness and who can double up at LCB and LWB. What's Hermann doing these days?  

All good points but you must surely take into consideration that Sheffield Wednesday who have a very decent manager and assistant have seen fit to offer him another contract. They must surely feel that his injuries are at least manageable and that he’s good enough for The Championship. 

cantersaddick

Addick Addict said:

cantersaddick said:

Addick Addict said:

It's not a position that we are desperate to fill at this stage is it? We have Gillesphey, Jones, Alex Mitchell, Zach Mitchell and Ramsay. It would mean offloading one of those for a player that only started 11 games last season. 

I would prefer us to spend all our time and resources searching out those midfield and attacking players that are going to make the difference. 

I'm not sold on Famewo mostly because I'm worried about the injuries he's had and how it's affected him. But this absolutely does not mean we need to offload someone. In the championship you need a proper squad with depth in every position, you cannot get away with smaller squads like you can in League 1. We need numbers and depth like we haven't had for a long time. 

We should be aiming for 2 on every position so that's 6 across the back 3. Depends on NJ's view of Zach whether he's in the 6 or has to force his way into the 6.

We treat the back 3 like specialist positions so need a dedicated LCB to compete with Gilly  

Agreed that's two serious injuries he's had in the last three seasons - 6 months out between August 2022 and not again 'til January 2023 (17 appearances) and then another 5 months out last season (13 appearances). We've been here before haven't we? And it's no use saying that he passed all the relevant tests now because at any given time Chuks might pass a fitness test. 

Equally you can't, financially, have an infinite squad. Does the fact that we play three CBs when others play two means that we have to have two more players in our squad than those other clubs? I would rather we went for someone with proven fitness and who can double up at LCB and LWB. What's Hermann doing these days?  

No, because we will still only have 11 players on the pitch so we will likely carry 1 less CM than side that play other systems and combined wing backs/wingers rather than separate positions. We recruit to our system and have some versatility to play others if needed. but if our primary system is what we played for the 2nd half of the season and what Jones has played most of his career then we need 6 CBs in the squad.

sam3110

Error prone, not good on the ball and not as quick as he thinks he is, no thanks

fenaddick

Think the fact he’s been offered another contract is a bit of a red herring as Wednesday will have known an embargo was coming and been keen to tie down whoever they can

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ShootersHillGuru said:

Addick Addict said:

cantersaddick said:

Addick Addict said:

It's not a position that we are desperate to fill at this stage is it? We have Gillesphey, Jones, Alex Mitchell, Zach Mitchell and Ramsay. It would mean offloading one of those for a player that only started 11 games last season. 

I would prefer us to spend all our time and resources searching out those midfield and attacking players that are going to make the difference. 

I'm not sold on Famewo mostly because I'm worried about the injuries he's had and how it's affected him. But this absolutely does not mean we need to offload someone. In the championship you need a proper squad with depth in every position, you cannot get away with smaller squads like you can in League 1. We need numbers and depth like we haven't had for a long time. 

We should be aiming for 2 on every position so that's 6 across the back 3. Depends on NJ's view of Zach whether he's in the 6 or has to force his way into the 6.

We treat the back 3 like specialist positions so need a dedicated LCB to compete with Gilly  

Agreed that's two serious injuries he's had in the last three seasons - 6 months out between August 2022 and not again 'til January 2023 (17 appearances) and then another 5 months out last season (13 appearances). We've been here before haven't we? And it's no use saying that he passed all the relevant tests now because at any given time Chuks might pass a fitness test. 

Equally you can't, financially, have an infinite squad. Does the fact that we play three CBs when others play two means that we have to have two more players in our squad than those other clubs? I would rather we went for someone with proven fitness and who can double up at LCB and LWB. What's Hermann doing these days?  

All good points but you must surely take into consideration that Sheffield Wednesday who have a very decent manager and assistant have seen fit to offer him another contract. They must surely feel that his injuries are at least manageable and that he’s good enough for The Championship. 

It's a gamble though. Are we in a position where we can or should gamble? Are there no other left sided CBs around of that calibre? Ones that might double up as a LB. Or, God forbid, someone who is actually comfortable playing on either the right or the left?

It drives me absolutely bonkers to think that we are in an age where a position has become so specialised that we are looking to sign a player that fits the same criteria that we would ask of a keeper i.e. that he is a specialist in one position and that one position only i.e. a left sided CB. Are we saying that an intelligent footballer like Zach couldn't do that? I can understand creative players like a Ferenc Puskas, a Liam Brady or Andy Reid being so one footed because they had wands for a left foot. Anthony Barness, though, could play both sides as could Dennis Irwin. Defenders didn't know which way to go when playing against Ginola because he was so good on both sides. 

But I still come back to this one thing. Why are we the club that always has to gamble? I thought those days were long gone.    

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fenaddick said:

Think the fact he’s been offered another contract is a bit of a red herring as Wednesday will have known an embargo was coming and been keen to tie down whoever they can

Even ones that can’t play or are not good enough ! Nonsense 

fenaddick

ShootersHillGuru said:

fenaddick said:

Think the fact he’s been offered another contract is a bit of a red herring as Wednesday will have known an embargo was coming and been keen to tie down whoever they can

Even ones that can’t play or are not good enough ! Nonsense 

Well it’s that or field loads of academy players who definitely won’t be ready