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Charlton Athletic v Oxford United Tuesday 27 October | Match Preview, Predictions, News & Views

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    Going for an optimistic 2-0.
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    SamB09 said:
    The 3-2 loss at home  a couple of seasons ago is still fresh in my mind. They scored good goals that day.
    Didnt we lose to them like 3 times that season? It was bizarre. 
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    Blucher said:
    Inniss has got the potential to be as dangerous at corners as Big Dave Shipperley in the 70s, who used to charge in from the corner of the box and nearly always got his head to the ball. He was a very, very difficult man to block off once he got up a head of steam. We also had precision deliveries from the likes of Colin Powell.

    Opponents will also be so concerned about Inniss' aerial prowess that they'll be vulnerable to the occasional variation in approach, such as a near post flick on from another of our players (the sort of routine that Mark Kinsella and Stevie Brown used to deploy).

    JFC put in a few good corners on Saturday and Maddison is a renowned dead ball specialist, so our goal output from this important source should improve. It's an important area of the game and one that we've hardly excelled at in recent years. Smyth's long throws might also prove useful on occasions, with Inniss looking to flick the ball on at the near post and generally create some chaos.
    Looking at Inniss's record, I was surprised that in 116 games he's only scored 2 goals, you'd have thought that with his aerial power he'd have scored more often than that. 1 goal in 29 games for Newport last season in L2 is a surprisingly low return

    Phil Chapple for example scored 15 goals in 167 matches for us
    Further back, Paul Went coincidentally scored 15 in 163 for us and had a fairly decent scoring record at some of his other clubs
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    Just for the record I am with @MrLargo.

    Gobinson was most embarrassing Charlton manager of all time with the obvious exception of Carol Fraye
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    Blucher said:
    Inniss has got the potential to be as dangerous at corners as Big Dave Shipperley in the 70s, who used to charge in from the corner of the box and nearly always got his head to the ball. He was a very, very difficult man to block off once he got up a head of steam. We also had precision deliveries from the likes of Colin Powell.

    Opponents will also be so concerned about Inniss' aerial prowess that they'll be vulnerable to the occasional variation in approach, such as a near post flick on from another of our players (the sort of routine that Mark Kinsella and Stevie Brown used to deploy).

    JFC put in a few good corners on Saturday and Maddison is a renowned dead ball specialist, so our goal output from this important source should improve. It's an important area of the game and one that we've hardly excelled at in recent years. Smyth's long throws might also prove useful on occasions, with Inniss looking to flick the ball on at the near post and generally create some chaos.
    Looking at Inniss's record, I was surprised that in 116 games he's only scored 2 goals, you'd have thought that with his aerial power he'd have scored more often than that. 1 goal in 29 games for Newport last season in L2 is a surprisingly low return

    Phil Chapple for example scored 15 goals in 167 matches for us
    Further back, Paul Went coincidentally scored 15 in 163 for us and had a fairly decent scoring record at some of his other clubs
    Paul Went was effective in the air attacking our corners, scoring goals and providing assists.

    But he also had a hell of a shot on him ......... remember one game under Theo Foley in the old Second Division about 1971, caught up in our usual relegation struggle.
    We were playing Swindon at home and were looking well beaten losing 0-1 with about 20 minutes left.

    Wenty intercepted around the half way line, ran with the ball looking to pass, when he suddenly let fly right into the top corner.
    After that stunning equaliser, 5 minutes later he did exactly the same thing into the other top corner!

    It might have been Bobby Hunt who picked up a late goal, for us to run out comfortable 3-1 winners in the end, however it had looked just 20 minutes before. But that quick brace of piledrivers from centre-half Paul Went really showed his all round attacking quality.
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    Just for the record I am with @MrLargo.

    Gobinson was most embarrassing Charlton manager of all time with the obvious exception of Carol Fraye
    Dowie? Reed? Pardew? 
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    Blucher said:
    Inniss has got the potential to be as dangerous at corners as Big Dave Shipperley in the 70s, who used to charge in from the corner of the box and nearly always got his head to the ball. He was a very, very difficult man to block off once he got up a head of steam. We also had precision deliveries from the likes of Colin Powell.

    Opponents will also be so concerned about Inniss' aerial prowess that they'll be vulnerable to the occasional variation in approach, such as a near post flick on from another of our players (the sort of routine that Mark Kinsella and Stevie Brown used to deploy).

    JFC put in a few good corners on Saturday and Maddison is a renowned dead ball specialist, so our goal output from this important source should improve. It's an important area of the game and one that we've hardly excelled at in recent years. Smyth's long throws might also prove useful on occasions, with Inniss looking to flick the ball on at the near post and generally create some chaos.
    Looking at Inniss's record, I was surprised that in 116 games he's only scored 2 goals, you'd have thought that with his aerial power he'd have scored more often than that. 1 goal in 29 games for Newport last season in L2 is a surprisingly low return

    Phil Chapple for example scored 15 goals in 167 matches for us
    Further back, Paul Went coincidentally scored 15 in 163 for us and had a fairly decent scoring record at some of his other clubs
    I seem to remember Paul Went played up front a few times.
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    I like him and I think he did some good. The problem was, we were playing tidy but toothless football under him at the end. Playing in front of opponents but we could never get through or behind them. He had to go when he did, but I wish him well apart from against us. 
    Yeah, we had a month in limbo before Robinson eventually resigned ...... apparently, he was so anxious about being replaced by the expected Australian consortium, he went and got himself a new job.


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    Just for the record I am with @MrLargo.

    Gobinson was most embarrassing Charlton manager of all time with the obvious exception of Carol Fraye
    Worse than Slade?
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    Dazzler21 said:
    Just for the record I am with @MrLargo.

    Gobinson was most embarrassing Charlton manager of all time with the obvious exception of Carol Fraye
    Worse than Slade?
    Worse than Dowie ?
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    Oggy Red said:
    I like him and I think he did some good. The problem was, we were playing tidy but toothless football under him at the end. Playing in front of opponents but we could never get through or behind them. He had to go when he did, but I wish him well apart from against us. 
    Yeah, we had a month in limbo before Robinson eventually resigned ...... apparently, he was so anxious about being replaced by the expected Australian consortium, he went and got himself a new job.


    Which was understandable under the circumstances.
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    Blucher said:
    Inniss has got the potential to be as dangerous at corners as Big Dave Shipperley in the 70s, who used to charge in from the corner of the box and nearly always got his head to the ball. He was a very, very difficult man to block off once he got up a head of steam. We also had precision deliveries from the likes of Colin Powell.

    Opponents will also be so concerned about Inniss' aerial prowess that they'll be vulnerable to the occasional variation in approach, such as a near post flick on from another of our players (the sort of routine that Mark Kinsella and Stevie Brown used to deploy).

    JFC put in a few good corners on Saturday and Maddison is a renowned dead ball specialist, so our goal output from this important source should improve. It's an important area of the game and one that we've hardly excelled at in recent years. Smyth's long throws might also prove useful on occasions, with Inniss looking to flick the ball on at the near post and generally create some chaos.
    Looking at Inniss's record, I was surprised that in 116 games he's only scored 2 goals, you'd have thought that with his aerial power he'd have scored more often than that. 1 goal in 29 games for Newport last season in L2 is a surprisingly low return

    Phil Chapple for example scored 15 goals in 167 matches for us
    Further back, Paul Went coincidentally scored 15 in 163 for us and had a fairly decent scoring record at some of his other clubs
    I seem to remember Paul Went played up front a few times.
    he did .. in that era a few players switched between centre half and centre forward, the Charles brothers John and Mel perhaps the best known
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    Blucher said:
    Inniss has got the potential to be as dangerous at corners as Big Dave Shipperley in the 70s, who used to charge in from the corner of the box and nearly always got his head to the ball. He was a very, very difficult man to block off once he got up a head of steam. We also had precision deliveries from the likes of Colin Powell.

    Opponents will also be so concerned about Inniss' aerial prowess that they'll be vulnerable to the occasional variation in approach, such as a near post flick on from another of our players (the sort of routine that Mark Kinsella and Stevie Brown used to deploy).

    JFC put in a few good corners on Saturday and Maddison is a renowned dead ball specialist, so our goal output from this important source should improve. It's an important area of the game and one that we've hardly excelled at in recent years. Smyth's long throws might also prove useful on occasions, with Inniss looking to flick the ball on at the near post and generally create some chaos.
    Looking at Inniss's record, I was surprised that in 116 games he's only scored 2 goals, you'd have thought that with his aerial power he'd have scored more often than that. 1 goal in 29 games for Newport last season in L2 is a surprisingly low return

    Phil Chapple for example scored 15 goals in 167 matches for us
    Further back, Paul Went coincidentally scored 15 in 163 for us and had a fairly decent scoring record at some of his other clubs
    I seem to remember Paul Went played up front a few times.
    he did .. in that era a few players switched between centre half and centre forward, the Charles brothers John and Mel perhaps the best known
    It was all a long time ago, but I can't recall Paul Went starting a game as striker.

    Though he definitely later became our 'go to' option up front, chasing the game in the last quarter.


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    edited October 2020
    Leuth said:
    Just for the record I am with @MrLargo.

    Gobinson was most embarrassing Charlton manager of all time with the obvious exception of Carol Fraye
    Dowie? Reed? Pardew? 
    What do you mean by embarrassing......in what way?
    Les Reed shouldn’t be mentioned alongside Dowie and Pardew, he was if nothing else an honourable man and an excellent and highly regarded coach.
    A great pity his outstanding ability didn’t extend to managerial success.
    In no way would I describe him as an embarrassment.
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    Oggy Red said:
    I like him and I think he did some good. The problem was, we were playing tidy but toothless football under him at the end. Playing in front of opponents but we could never get through or behind them. He had to go when he did, but I wish him well apart from against us. 
    Yeah, we had a month in limbo before Robinson eventually resigned ...... apparently, he was so anxious about being replaced by the expected Australian consortium, he went and got himself a new job.


    Talk about jumping the gun, he left in March 2018, and the first (ESI) takeover didn't happen until 18 months later!
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    Any news on Alfie. Was it his hammy or cramp? I suspect the worst as that is what it normally is!
    Definitely looked like a pulled hamstring to me, it’s not often a player comes off like that with just cramp. 
    It was obvious from the moment he did it that he'd pulled his hamstring. He put his hand there the moment he was pulled back. Anyway, you don't get cramp as a result of being fouled.
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    Leuth said:
    Just for the record I am with @MrLargo.

    Gobinson was most embarrassing Charlton manager of all time with the obvious exception of Carol Fraye
    Dowie? Reed? Pardew? 
    Pardew beat West Ham 4-0, drew at Anfield, nearly kept us in the Premier League and then did the double over Palace the following season. An arrogant tosser, and by no means a brilliant manager (although he has also got 2 FA Cup Finals on his CV unfortunately), but to say that Pardew is a worse manager than Robinson is staggering. Do you actually think that?!

    Despite the fact that the football was appalling under Robinson, the main reason I loathe him so much is because he quite happily allowed himself to be the salesman for Roland's ridiculous way of running our club. He quite happily signed up to the "see how you get on in the first half of the season and then we might spends some money in January". He told us that Katrien and Roland were good guys. Any manager with any credibility (Chris Wilder for example) wouldn't have wanted to be associated with such a shoddy set up.

    Joke of a manager, joke of a man.


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    Oxford defeats have been against Lincoln (A), Gillingham (A), Sunderland (H) and Posh (A). They have won 2 of the last 3, one of which smashing Accrington on their own turf 1-4.     

    Looks a tough fixture especially without Doughty's pace.
    Good post. This is why early league tables are so unreliable. You have to look at who teams have played.
    Nevertheless, I have faith in our defence and believe someone can grab us a goal. Not as confident as before Northampton because Oxford are a better team but:
    60% win
    35% draw
    5% defeat
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    When things are going well Pardew is a decent manager. I think he is not so good at resolving problems. Sometimes the problems are not of his doing, but he lost the plot at the end with us. 
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    MrLargo said:
    Leuth said:
    Just for the record I am with @MrLargo.

    Gobinson was most embarrassing Charlton manager of all time with the obvious exception of Carol Fraye
    Dowie? Reed? Pardew? 
    Pardew beat West Ham 4-0, drew at Anfield, nearly kept us in the Premier League and then did the double over Palace the following season. An arrogant tosser, and by no means a brilliant manager (although he has also got 2 FA Cup Finals on his CV unfortunately), but to say that Pardew is a worse manager than Robinson is staggering. Do you actually think that?!

    Despite the fact that the football was appalling under Robinson, the main reason I loathe him so much is because he quite happily allowed himself to be the salesman for Roland's ridiculous way of running our club. He quite happily signed up to the "see how you get on in the first half of the season and then we might spends some money in January". He told us that Katrien and Roland were good guys. Any manager with any credibility (Chris Wilder for example) wouldn't have wanted to be associated with such a shoddy set up.

    Joke of a manager, joke of a man.


    So you’re saying Bowyer has no credibility? Let’s not forget that Bowyer is often the first to defend Roland and has never bad mouthed the regime, while Robinson did towards the end. 

    Jackson also gave some praise to Roland in his recent interview, as well as a fair amount of criticism.
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    MrLargo said:
    Leuth said:
    Just for the record I am with @MrLargo.

    Gobinson was most embarrassing Charlton manager of all time with the obvious exception of Carol Fraye
    Dowie? Reed? Pardew? 
    Pardew beat West Ham 4-0, drew at Anfield, nearly kept us in the Premier League and then did the double over Palace the following season. An arrogant tosser, and by no means a brilliant manager (although he has also got 2 FA Cup Finals on his CV unfortunately), but to say that Pardew is a worse manager than Robinson is staggering. Do you actually think that?!

    Despite the fact that the football was appalling under Robinson, the main reason I loathe him so much is because he quite happily allowed himself to be the salesman for Roland's ridiculous way of running our club. He quite happily signed up to the "see how you get on in the first half of the season and then we might spends some money in January". He told us that Katrien and Roland were good guys. Any manager with any credibility (Chris Wilder for example) wouldn't have wanted to be associated with such a shoddy set up.

    Joke of a manager, joke of a man.


    So you’re saying Bowyer has no credibility? Let’s not forget that Bowyer is often the first to defend Roland and has never bad mouthed the regime, while Robinson did towards the end. 

    Jackson also gave some praise to Roland in his recent interview, as well as a fair amount of criticism.
    Bowyer liked Roland because he was given a free hand to manage with no interference.
    That's a manager's dream scenario.

    What Bowyer didn't like was the restrictions of a tiny and inadequate playing budget.
    And he continually said so. It caused him no end of frustration - and eventually played a significant contributory part in our relegation.

    Jacko in his interview said, "Roland always paid the bills".
    Just before saying that, he'd said, "Let's first say the good thing about Roland ...... before I totally hammer him!" ha ha


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    Blucher said:
    Inniss has got the potential to be as dangerous at corners as Big Dave Shipperley in the 70s, who used to charge in from the corner of the box and nearly always got his head to the ball. He was a very, very difficult man to block off once he got up a head of steam. We also had precision deliveries from the likes of Colin Powell.

    Opponents will also be so concerned about Inniss' aerial prowess that they'll be vulnerable to the occasional variation in approach, such as a near post flick on from another of our players (the sort of routine that Mark Kinsella and Stevie Brown used to deploy).

    JFC put in a few good corners on Saturday and Maddison is a renowned dead ball specialist, so our goal output from this important source should improve. It's an important area of the game and one that we've hardly excelled at in recent years. Smyth's long throws might also prove useful on occasions, with Inniss looking to flick the ball on at the near post and generally create some chaos.
    Looking at Inniss's record, I was surprised that in 116 games he's only scored 2 goals, you'd have thought that with his aerial power he'd have scored more often than that. 1 goal in 29 games for Newport last season in L2 is a surprisingly low return

    Phil Chapple for example scored 15 goals in 167 matches for us
    Further back, Paul Went coincidentally scored 15 in 163 for us and had a fairly decent scoring record at some of his other clubs
    I seem to remember Paul Went played up front a few times.
    he did .. in that era a few players switched between centre half and centre forward, the Charles brothers John and Mel perhaps the best known
    For us Arthur Horsfield and Ronnie Moore proved effective as 5/9 's. 
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    Blucher said:
    Inniss has got the potential to be as dangerous at corners as Big Dave Shipperley in the 70s, who used to charge in from the corner of the box and nearly always got his head to the ball. He was a very, very difficult man to block off once he got up a head of steam. We also had precision deliveries from the likes of Colin Powell.

    Opponents will also be so concerned about Inniss' aerial prowess that they'll be vulnerable to the occasional variation in approach, such as a near post flick on from another of our players (the sort of routine that Mark Kinsella and Stevie Brown used to deploy).

    JFC put in a few good corners on Saturday and Maddison is a renowned dead ball specialist, so our goal output from this important source should improve. It's an important area of the game and one that we've hardly excelled at in recent years. Smyth's long throws might also prove useful on occasions, with Inniss looking to flick the ball on at the near post and generally create some chaos.
    Looking at Inniss's record, I was surprised that in 116 games he's only scored 2 goals, you'd have thought that with his aerial power he'd have scored more often than that. 1 goal in 29 games for Newport last season in L2 is a surprisingly low return

    Phil Chapple for example scored 15 goals in 167 matches for us
    Further back, Paul Went coincidentally scored 15 in 163 for us and had a fairly decent scoring record at some of his other clubs
    Remember big Dave Shipperley scored 8 in 100 matches. That's not far behind pro-rata.

    He was another huge* threat at corners.


    *See what I did there. :smile:



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    Oggy Red said:
    MrLargo said:
    Leuth said:
    Just for the record I am with @MrLargo.

    Gobinson was most embarrassing Charlton manager of all time with the obvious exception of Carol Fraye
    Dowie? Reed? Pardew? 
    Pardew beat West Ham 4-0, drew at Anfield, nearly kept us in the Premier League and then did the double over Palace the following season. An arrogant tosser, and by no means a brilliant manager (although he has also got 2 FA Cup Finals on his CV unfortunately), but to say that Pardew is a worse manager than Robinson is staggering. Do you actually think that?!

    Despite the fact that the football was appalling under Robinson, the main reason I loathe him so much is because he quite happily allowed himself to be the salesman for Roland's ridiculous way of running our club. He quite happily signed up to the "see how you get on in the first half of the season and then we might spends some money in January". He told us that Katrien and Roland were good guys. Any manager with any credibility (Chris Wilder for example) wouldn't have wanted to be associated with such a shoddy set up.

    Joke of a manager, joke of a man.


    So you’re saying Bowyer has no credibility? Let’s not forget that Bowyer is often the first to defend Roland and has never bad mouthed the regime, while Robinson did towards the end. 

    Jackson also gave some praise to Roland in his recent interview, as well as a fair amount of criticism.
    Bowyer liked Roland because he was given a free hand to manage with no interference.
    That's a manager's dream scenario.

    What Bowyer didn't like was the restrictions of a tiny and inadequate playing budget.
    And he continually said so. It caused him no end of frustration - and eventually played a significant contributory part in our relegation.

    Jacko in his interview said, "Roland always paid the bills".
    Just before saying that, he'd said, "Let's first say the good thing about Roland ...... before I totally hammer him!" ha ha


    I don't think the other managers in league 1 would have described our playing budget as tiny and inadequate.  With a few notible exceptions most of them would have given their right arm for the wages we were playing. 

    The question of how it was historically spent and how much (ie zero) transfer funds were made available is a totally different kettle of fish.

    Our league 1 wage bill was massive, but we must be the only club to get promoted, then slash the wages. Unique. 
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    MrLargo said:
    Leuth said:
    Just for the record I am with @MrLargo.

    Gobinson was most embarrassing Charlton manager of all time with the obvious exception of Carol Fraye
    Dowie? Reed? Pardew? 
    Pardew beat West Ham 4-0, drew at Anfield, nearly kept us in the Premier League and then did the double over Palace the following season. An arrogant tosser, and by no means a brilliant manager (although he has also got 2 FA Cup Finals on his CV unfortunately), but to say that Pardew is a worse manager than Robinson is staggering. Do you actually think that?!

    Despite the fact that the football was appalling under Robinson, the main reason I loathe him so much is because he quite happily allowed himself to be the salesman for Roland's ridiculous way of running our club. He quite happily signed up to the "see how you get on in the first half of the season and then we might spends some money in January". He told us that Katrien and Roland were good guys. Any manager with any credibility (Chris Wilder for example) wouldn't have wanted to be associated with such a shoddy set up.

    Joke of a manager, joke of a man.


    So you’re saying Bowyer has no credibility? Let’s not forget that Bowyer is often the first to defend Roland and has never bad mouthed the regime, while Robinson did towards the end. 

    Jackson also gave some praise to Roland in his recent interview, as well as a fair amount of criticism.
    Not said that anywhere. In relation to Roland, Bowyer's said in the past "he leaves us to get on with it". He's also frequently said that he's been managing with his hands tied behind his back. It's hardly singing his praises. He certainly never said he thought it was a good idea to do the bulk of your transfer business in the January window, as Robinson did.

    And I well remember Robinson slagging off the regime towards the end, when he was trying to manipulate his way out of the club and into the Oxford job. Typical of the sort of bloke he was. 

    Anyway, going round in circles and it's a bit boring. I can't stand the bloke, you clearly think he was terrific and must have seen something inspiring during the multiple defeats against Bury, Peterborough, Oxford, Northampton, Gillingham and Southend that I'm not astute enough to spot.
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    There does have to be an element of tact. Bowyer couldn't openly be too critical about his boss could he?
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    Swindon vs Accrington tomorrow off due to Covid. Neither played at the weekend
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    Cafc43v3r said:
    Oggy Red said:
    MrLargo said:
    Leuth said:
    Just for the record I am with @MrLargo.

    Gobinson was most embarrassing Charlton manager of all time with the obvious exception of Carol Fraye
    Dowie? Reed? Pardew? 
    Pardew beat West Ham 4-0, drew at Anfield, nearly kept us in the Premier League and then did the double over Palace the following season. An arrogant tosser, and by no means a brilliant manager (although he has also got 2 FA Cup Finals on his CV unfortunately), but to say that Pardew is a worse manager than Robinson is staggering. Do you actually think that?!

    Despite the fact that the football was appalling under Robinson, the main reason I loathe him so much is because he quite happily allowed himself to be the salesman for Roland's ridiculous way of running our club. He quite happily signed up to the "see how you get on in the first half of the season and then we might spends some money in January". He told us that Katrien and Roland were good guys. Any manager with any credibility (Chris Wilder for example) wouldn't have wanted to be associated with such a shoddy set up.

    Joke of a manager, joke of a man.


    So you’re saying Bowyer has no credibility? Let’s not forget that Bowyer is often the first to defend Roland and has never bad mouthed the regime, while Robinson did towards the end. 

    Jackson also gave some praise to Roland in his recent interview, as well as a fair amount of criticism.
    Bowyer liked Roland because he was given a free hand to manage with no interference.
    That's a manager's dream scenario.

    What Bowyer didn't like was the restrictions of a tiny and inadequate playing budget.
    And he continually said so. It caused him no end of frustration - and eventually played a significant contributory part in our relegation.

    Jacko in his interview said, "Roland always paid the bills".
    Just before saying that, he'd said, "Let's first say the good thing about Roland ...... before I totally hammer him!" ha ha


    I don't think the other managers in league 1 would have described our playing budget as tiny and inadequate.  With a few notible exceptions most of them would have given their right arm for the wages we were playing. 

    The question of how it was historically spent and how much (ie zero) transfer funds were made available is a totally different kettle of fish.

    Our league 1 wage bill was massive, but we must be the only club to get promoted, then slash the wages. Unique. 

    Wouldn't Bowyer have been talking about last season's Championship budget, rather than a previous year in League One?


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