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Portsmouth v Charlton | Post-match thread | Saturday 31st October 2020

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  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,326
    Leuth said:
    Surprised at all the comments saying Pratley should have been off. I think it was a yellow but to get a red for that you need to make contact 
    So if you make a two footed, studs up challenge, and the opposition player is fortunate enough to jump out the way just in time you don't think it should be a red - even though the intent was the same?
    It was one-footed. Out of control and if he'd hit the guy he'd have been off, but it wasn't quite as bad as you're making out 
  • orpingtonRED
    orpingtonRED Posts: 3,474
    It's about time we had some bloody 4-0 wins.
    Next game hopefully mate. 
  • cafcfan1990
    cafcfan1990 Posts: 12,811
    Leuth said:
    Surprised at all the comments saying Pratley should have been off. I think it was a yellow but to get a red for that you need to make contact 
    Not sure I agree with that, can be sent off for a reckless challenge without making contact can’t you? 
  • Leuth said:
    Leuth said:
    Surprised at all the comments saying Pratley should have been off. I think it was a yellow but to get a red for that you need to make contact 
    So if you make a two footed, studs up challenge, and the opposition player is fortunate enough to jump out the way just in time you don't think it should be a red - even though the intent was the same?
    It was one-footed. Out of control and if he'd hit the guy he'd have been off, but it wasn't quite as bad as you're making out 
    For me personally if you are admitting the tackle was reckless enough that he would have been sent off if he made contact with the player, then he should have been sent off. The intent is exactly the same in both instances. 
  • odds now slashed to 9/2.....after Doncaster defeat we went out to 33/1 to win the league.
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,326
    Idk, I think there's a massive difference. If you make a lunging tackle in such a way as to still avoid hitting the opponent, I think that is very different to a lunging tackle where you clean them out
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,326
    It's All Hallows Eve, the night of ghosts, spirits, phantoms, and Leuth passionately defending Darren Pratley 
  • Leuth said:
    Surprised at all the comments saying Pratley should have been off. I think it was a yellow but to get a red for that you need to make contact 
    Not sure I agree with that, can be sent off for a reckless challenge without making contact can’t you? 
    Not if you're big Dazza Pratley obviously. 😁
  • cafcfan1990
    cafcfan1990 Posts: 12,811
    odds now slashed to 9/2.....after Doncaster defeat we went out to 33/1 to win the league.
    10/1 with William Hill 
  • Jonniesta
    Jonniesta Posts: 1,153
    You're right it wasn't a clear red, but it was a clear yellow that with some refs could've been a red, and was completely unnecessary. 
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  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,730
    Very generous odds
  • Leuth said:
    It's All Hallows Eve, the night of ghosts, spirits, phantoms, and Leuth passionately defending Darren Pratley 
    Its helped you've finally seen that any crossfield passes Naby can do... Darren can do them better
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,326
    His passing was actually really good today, it was weird. 
  • Weegie Addick
    Weegie Addick Posts: 16,527
    I think Pratley scared the sh*t out of the ref! Was at least a yellow.
  • Oggy Red
    Oggy Red Posts: 44,957
     Some posters pretty adamant that Pratley should have been sent off.
    The referee, of course, is the sole arbiter and his decision is always final. After an offence, this what he must consider before making his decision:



    This is what the Laws of the game say: Law 12 -Fouls and misconduct
    https://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/lawsandrules/laws/football-11-11/law-12---fouls-and-misconduct 

    Direct free kick

    A direct free kick is awarded if a player commits any of the following offences against an opponent in a manner considered by the referee to be careless, reckless or using excessive force:

    • charges
    • jumps at
    • kicks or attempts to kick
    • pushes
    • strikes or attempts to strike (including head-butt)
    • tackles or challenges
    • trips or attempts to trip

    If an offence involves contact it is penalised by a direct free kick or penalty kick.

    • Careless is when a player shows a lack of attention or consideration when making a challenge or acts without precaution. No disciplinary sanction is needed

    • Reckless is when a player acts with disregard to the danger to, or consequences for, an opponent and must be cautioned

    • Using excessive force is when a player exceeds the necessary use of force and endangers the safety of an opponent and must be sent off
  • Oggy Red
    Oggy Red Posts: 44,957
    edited October 2020
    Leuth said:
    Idk, I think there's a massive difference. If you make a lunging tackle in such a way as to still avoid hitting the opponent, I think that is very different to a lunging tackle where you clean them out
    I believe you're getting warm, @Leuth

    Would you consider that Pratley's offence was considered by the referee to be:
    a) careless
    b) reckless
    c) using excessive force

    NB: You may refer to my post (re Law 12) above. :smile:


  • Wonder why an experienced player like Pratley thought it was worth risking a red card to win a throw-in on the halfway line.  Bizarre.
  • Oggy Red
    Oggy Red Posts: 44,957
    Ha ha somebody laughs because I post an extract from the Laws of the Game.

    I know, that has no place on a football forum. :smile:


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  • Leuth said:
    His passing was actually really good today, it was weird. 

    What is that saying about converts being the most strident supporters of a cause.
  • As always its nice to hear some decent comments towards us on Quest

    As the bloke has pointed out from the podcast, whats impressive about us at the moment is we're barely even giving sides chances to score

    Its not even last ditch defending like what we saw @ Portsmouth in 18/19 with Lapslie taking it in the face
  • in Jackett’s interview he said their fella felt his hamstring at half time so they took him off 

    Bowyer said ‘he (Famewo) was tight the other night. We thought It might be from his back and with it being Saturday, Tuesday, Saturday, Tuesday… it’s tough. Unfortunately, he’s just tweaked it there a little bit I think."

    You just know their fella will be back quicker than ours 
  • Redrobo
    Redrobo Posts: 11,330
    in Jackett’s interview he said their fella felt his hamstring at half time so they took him off 

    Bowyer said ‘he (Famewo) was tight the other night. We thought It might be from his back and with it being Saturday, Tuesday, Saturday, Tuesday… it’s tough. Unfortunately, he’s just tweaked it there a little bit I think."

    You just know their fella will be back quicker than ours 
    So would you have dropped him and played Pratley in his place?
  • MattF
    MattF Posts: 3,797
  • superclive98
    superclive98 Posts: 4,773
    odds now slashed to 9/2.....after Doncaster defeat we went out to 33/1 to win the league.
    10/1 with William Hill 
    10/1 with Skybet too. Portsmouth 8/1!
    Don't quite understand that. 
  • odds now slashed to 9/2.....after Doncaster defeat we went out to 33/1 to win the league.
    10/1 with William Hill 
    If your getting 10/1 on promotion you should jump on that
  • As always its nice to hear some decent comments towards us on Quest

    As the bloke has pointed out from the podcast, whats impressive about us at the moment is we're barely even giving sides chances to score

    Its not even last ditch defending like what we saw @ Portsmouth in 18/19 with Lapslie taking it in the face
    Indeed, being able to grind out comfortable wins is a very nice habit

    Interesting that they didn't mention the Pratley challenge, and Jackett didn't make much out of it either, but then he's always been a classy manager
  • As always its nice to hear some decent comments towards us on Quest

    As the bloke has pointed out from the podcast, whats impressive about us at the moment is we're barely even giving sides chances to score

    Its not even last ditch defending like what we saw @ Portsmouth in 18/19 with Lapslie taking it in the face
    Indeed, being able to grind out comfortable wins is a very nice habit

    Interesting that they didn't mention the Pratley challenge, and Jackett didn't make much out of it either, but then he's always been a classy manager
    Yeah was great to hear Jackett focusing on what his team did wrong and what we did well rather than moaning about what could have been