This is what I don't get about LB. There's always someone else to blame. If it's not a Bonne for missing an opening goal it's a defender for not clearing his lines. It is because our margins for success are so narrow that we can't afford to make that one mistake.
The reality is that on average this season we have had one shot on target every half an hour. If we continue to not playing creative players and even bringing a sub, who might positively influence the game, off because he misses a tackle the situation will remain the same.
He can't continue to blame others many more times before the squad get massively pissed off and stop playing for him. If it wasn't for the Ipswich result you could argue they already have.
Bogle subbed off early at Burton, Williams today, Morgan also getting stick in the post-match interview as well. Shouldn't these things be kept in-house. Have a go in the dressing room, don't rant about them to Louis Mendez (no offence Louis). How long before these players think 'fuck you' and stop playing for him?
At the same time players themselves need to be careful and is probably why Bowyer feels that he can have this bit of liberty with them - Not exactly that high in the Football Pyramid are they any of these players that he's targetting, we've seen others who have let their career slide and none of them are far off earning shit wages in Football and having to hold down another job at the same time
Bogle and Williams are certainly on a downward trajectory with their careers - Morgan is still young but potentially isnt rated by other clubs seeing no one wanted him on loan in the Football League this summer.. If they want to bugger off in a strop at the end of their contracts (or sooner) then Bowyer is probably confident there is a high chance it wont be to a club that'll be better than us
Of course it would be interesting if he were to take this public stance with say Joe Aribo (when he was here) or Alfie Doughty, the sort of player he knows realistically he cant afford to piss off because it would seriously backfire in that regard
Since my original post match comment way back in this thread, and admitting I've only scanned a few other comments, I'm somewhat concerned that a few are asking for LB's head and others are saying TS may well be getting ready (my words) to change things or at least should be considering it, WHO do people think are 1 Available and 2 Can do a much better job? Danny Cowley is the only name I've seen mentioned?
I don’t want Bowyer out. That is a rash judgement.
If he continues playing Pratley and Watson together.
If he keeps playing this disgustingly defensive style
If he can’t find a system that’ll get us playing better football
Then that’ll change. He’s not untouchable, but he’s built up enough credit to avoid massive criticism so far.
Exactly how I feel. It's getting ridiculous when your team is passing back to your goalkeeper, when you are in the attacking half. 65 yard pass backs to the goalie is literally beyond the pale. Bowyer is in massive credit with me, but for the last few games it's getting beyond stupid. We have the players to be playing good attractive football, there is no need for all this sidewards, backwards, sidewards, back even further nonsense.
Since my original post match comment way back in this thread, and admitting I've only scanned a few other comments, I'm somewhat concerned that a few are asking for LB's head and others are saying TS may well be getting ready (my words) to change things or at least should be considering it, WHO do people think are 1 Available and 2 Can do a much better job? Danny Cowley is the only name I've seen mentioned?
Eddie Howe - took Bournemouth to prem.
You seriously think that Howe is desperate enough to drop down to League One?
Just throwing it out there, but when players are scared to make a mistake, they become over defensive... Like passing back to keeper when unpressured...
Think we need to find a way for our players to feel they can play.
That really was a very poor display of football by Charlton. Very little accurate passing on the turf, too much sideways and backward passing. I can't comment on the make up of the team as I don't know who is fit and able to play. That said there is no need for the manager to call out players in public, it should done within the club. LB now has a week to improve the team and send out a team next Saturday that can win the game, if not then it will be time to criticise his ability, until then we should give him our backing.
Since my original post match comment way back in this thread, and admitting I've only scanned a few other comments, I'm somewhat concerned that a few are asking for LB's head and others are saying TS may well be getting ready (my words) to change things or at least should be considering it, WHO do people think are 1 Available and 2 Can do a much better job? Danny Cowley is the only name I've seen mentioned?
Eddie Howe - took Bournemouth to prem.
You seriously think that Howe is desperate enough to drop down to League One?
Thomas is an ambitious man and would probably pay to get the right man in his eyes.
I'm certainly not calling for LB to go. Actually I still think we will go up in an automatic spot but that due to everyone else being so poor. This squad is good enough to get promoted however it is the style of play that worries me. It's just plain boring and negative which doesnt fit with the quoted future direction of the club. I'm just not sure LB can go positive his DNA has always been get a goal and hang on.
That wasn't true during his first season and a half in charge. I honestly think he's a bit burnt out and if you think of the constant shit he's had to deal with on and off the pitch during the last 18 months it's easy to understand why. The guy needs a few days away from the club to clear his head and get his mojo back again.
Since my original post match comment way back in this thread, and admitting I've only scanned a few other comments, I'm somewhat concerned that a few are asking for LB's head and others are saying TS may well be getting ready (my words) to change things or at least should be considering it, WHO do people think are 1 Available and 2 Can do a much better job? Danny Cowley is the only name I've seen mentioned?
Eddie Howe - took Bournemouth to prem.
You seriously think that Howe is desperate enough to drop down to League One?
Thomas is an ambitious man and would probably pay to get the right man in his eyes.
How would Howe look if he failed to get us promoted though? - What would that do to his reputation?
Since my original post match comment way back in this thread, and admitting I've only scanned a few other comments, I'm somewhat concerned that a few are asking for LB's head and others are saying TS may well be getting ready (my words) to change things or at least should be considering it, WHO do people think are 1 Available and 2 Can do a much better job? Danny Cowley is the only name I've seen mentioned?
Eddie Howe - took Bournemouth to prem.
You seriously think that Howe is desperate enough to drop down to League One?
Thomas is an ambitious man and would probably pay to get the right man in his eyes.
How would Howe look if he failed to get us promoted though? - What would that do to his reputation?
Not much, salary issues etc are a ready made excuse this season.
Really falling out of love with Bowyer's brand of football. We never lose games by much, but we never win games by much either - and it's frustrating to watch performances like that week in week out.
With the quality of players we have we shouldn't have to play rigid defensive football.
When was the last time we really dominated a team? I can't remember.
I reckon Bowyer has little confidence in our forward players. He doesn’t expect us to be a team scoring 2 plus goals a game despite some decent providers in the team. I think he sees Aneke as an impact player but neither Bogle or Washington are good enough to be first choice.
But he believes we are good enough to get at least a draw in every game, hence the selection of Watson and Pratley. Ensure we concede rarely and try to get a win.
I think we will,and already may have, signed a goal scorer in January or at least have a few decent targets. It is where we are weakest and Bowyer will have told Sandgaard. It is obvious to us all. If we are around the top six in Jan then we will have a proper push for promotion. But we can’t do that with our current strikers. They are not strikers that get a team promoted.
The run before the international break has lulled us into thinking we could walk this league. Look at Peterborough’s recent form from being top a few weeks ago.
Bowyer is his own man. Like us all our qualities can also be our downfalls and let’s not pretend he isn’t realistic enough to know that Sandgaard expects a return on his spending.
I hope Bowyer sorts it but I don’t think he will be worrying about it. He will have a season long plan and in his mind maybe we are where he expects us to be at the moment.
If he has no confidence in the forward players, call back Davison and try something different. Try aneke and bogle up top together.
The aneke and bogle rotation is predictable and boring
Since my original post match comment way back in this thread, and admitting I've only scanned a few other comments, I'm somewhat concerned that a few are asking for LB's head and others are saying TS may well be getting ready (my words) to change things or at least should be considering it, WHO do people think are 1 Available and 2 Can do a much better job? Danny Cowley is the only name I've seen mentioned?
Eddie Howe - took Bournemouth to prem.
LOL if you think Howe, who was managing in the PL, is gonna come back to L1. Get real, please.
Really falling out of love with Bowyer's brand of football. We never lose games by much, but we never win games by much either - and it's frustrating to watch performances like that week in week out.
With the quality of players we have we shouldn't have to play rigid defensive football.
When was the last time we really dominated a team? I can't remember.
Scunthorpe and Rochdale @ the Valley in 2019, Doncaster away in the Play-Offs
Doesnt help we've had a tough campaign in the Championship last time out
Whilst this season has been an extremely late rebuild so willing to give him the benefit of the doubt with that
The seeds were sown last season, with a bit more positivity I think we would have achieved what we needed. Was it Swansea away that was negative and poor?
Since my original post match comment way back in this thread, and admitting I've only scanned a few other comments, I'm somewhat concerned that a few are asking for LB's head and others are saying TS may well be getting ready (my words) to change things or at least should be considering it, WHO do people think are 1 Available and 2 Can do a much better job? Danny Cowley is the only name I've seen mentioned?
Really don't see the point. Who else is going to get a better tune out of this bunch? It's not like they are going to be able to bring in 8 or 9 of their own.
Have a little faith I say. We are still well in with a playoff shout and a good run prior to that and who knows.
I actually agree with you @carly burn, I'm not calling for his head or changing him. He has a newish squad and trying to get them to gel, yes I think he tinkers a little too much, but let's see what he can do with a proper full transfer window and an owner who WILL support him. My question, obviously badly conveyed, is no one has come up with a credible alternate! Let's give LB support and time in my opinion.
Since my original post match comment way back in this thread, and admitting I've only scanned a few other comments, I'm somewhat concerned that a few are asking for LB's head and others are saying TS may well be getting ready (my words) to change things or at least should be considering it, WHO do people think are 1 Available and 2 Can do a much better job? Danny Cowley is the only name I've seen mentioned?
Eddie Howe - took Bournemouth to prem.
You seriously think that Howe is desperate enough to drop down to League One?
Thomas is an ambitious man and would probably pay to get the right man in his eyes.
How would Howe look if he failed to get us promoted though? - What would that do to his reputation?
Not much, salary issues etc are a ready made excuse this season.
No tactics on display AFKA players look like they have never met each other before - literally no forward movement - if we got a pen I wouldn't be surprised if we tried passing it back!
I reckon Bowyer has little confidence in our forward players. He doesn’t expect us to be a team scoring 2 plus goals a game despite some decent providers in the team. I think he sees Aneke as an impact player but neither Bogle or Washington are good enough to be first choice.
But he believes we are good enough to get at least a draw in every game, hence the selection of Watson and Pratley. Ensure we concede rarely and try to get a win.
I think we will,and already may have, signed a goal scorer in January or at least have a few decent targets. It is where we are weakest and Bowyer will have told Sandgaard. It is obvious to us all. If we are around the top six in Jan then we will have a proper push for promotion. But we can’t do that with our current strikers. They are not strikers that get a team promoted.
The run before the international break has lulled us into thinking we could walk this league. Look at Peterborough’s recent form from being top a few weeks ago.
Bowyer is his own man. Like us all our qualities can also be our downfalls and let’s not pretend he isn’t realistic enough to know that Sandgaard expects a return on his spending.
I hope Bowyer sorts it but I don’t think he will be worrying about it. He will have a season long plan and in his mind maybe we are where he expects us to be at the moment.
If he has no confidence in the forward players, call back Davison and try something different. Try aneke and bogle up top together.
The aneke and bogle rotation is predictable and boring
He'll be back and available for selection for the Hull game unless we allow him to extend his loan with Woking
Failed to get a result against a nothing team. Reminds me a lot of 2009-2010 (and prior to that 2007-2008). Then, as now, reasonable enough managers and a squad that was strong and rose to the occasion against the "big" teams but was inconsistent against the smaller clubs. Team selection, then, as now, seems strange. Why we didn't start Williams?
At this stage, nobody on this thread actively wants Bowyer replaced: but it won't be up to us. Sangaard will take a view between now and June. Given how much he seems to have put into the club emotionally and financially he's entitled to.
We must hold the record for the most back passes this season. How can we be with ball almost on the oppo 18 yard box and, within five seconds, be passing it around our own 18 yard box without losing possession? This has been our style of play over four games now and I’m sick of this negative style and players constantly checking back
First of all, I’m not for one moment saying Bowyer needs to go. However, here’s my match thread comment from just before the penalty:
If we can hang on, I’ll be extremely grateful.
But this has been BAD. Very very bad.
Bowyer and the team really need to do something about our play and they need to do it fast before all of our momentum this season is wiped out completely.
Which I stand by completely. It wasn’t Jonny Williams fault that we didn’t win. It also wasn’t Albie Morgan’s fault even though his sliced clearance led to the goal. It also wasn’t the ref’s fault, even though he missed the handball in the lead up to the pen. It was a collective effort and the fault has to lay with two entities: 1) Lee Bowyer and 2) the team as a unit.
The team played poorly overall and need to take their share of the blame, but Bowyer needs to own his own mistakes. He set this team and the tactics up and he picked the players. Throwing blame around and chucking individual players under the bus is not a good look and he needs to sort that out. You often hear managers saying certain players will “run through brick walls” for the cause, but how can you expect that sort of commitment from players when the manager won’t back them when times are tough?
Disappointed with Bowyer today. He needs to wise up and learn from this quickly before he loses the players, if it’s not already too late.
Thoroughly deserved point for Shrewsbury. Would have been a travesty if we had won.
For the first time ever, I am starting to doubt Bowyer. Constant changes to the team, different formation every week, picking Watson & Pratley in the centre of midfield, always going on the defensive at the end of games.
He needs to go away and work out what is his best team and formation and pick it. And stop picking a team with one eye on next week.
And his substitution of Williams was crass. Totally crass. He's going to piss off his players big time if he carries on like that.
I think many/most of us agree and we can't all be wrong.
I reckon Bowyer has little confidence in our forward players. He doesn’t expect us to be a team scoring 2 plus goals a game despite some decent providers in the team. I think he sees Aneke as an impact player but neither Bogle or Washington are good enough to be first choice.
But he believes we are good enough to get at least a draw in every game, hence the selection of Watson and Pratley. Ensure we concede rarely and try to get a win.
I think we will,and already may have, signed a goal scorer in January or at least have a few decent targets. It is where we are weakest and Bowyer will have told Sandgaard. It is obvious to us all. If we are around the top six in Jan then we will have a proper push for promotion. But we can’t do that with our current strikers. They are not strikers that get a team promoted.
The run before the international break has lulled us into thinking we could walk this league. Look at Peterborough’s recent form from being top a few weeks ago.
Bowyer is his own man. Like us all our qualities can also be our downfalls and let’s not pretend he isn’t realistic enough to know that Sandgaard expects a return on his spending.
I hope Bowyer sorts it but I don’t think he will be worrying about it. He will have a season long plan and in his mind maybe we are where he expects us to be at the moment.
If he has no confidence in the forward players, call back Davison and try something different. Try aneke and bogle up top together.
The aneke and bogle rotation is predictable and boring
The issue though is as much about the lack of creativity from our midfield - our ratio of 19 goals from 46 shots on target this season (41.30%) compares favourably to Hull's 27 goals from 76 shots (35.52%).
Just throwing it out there, but when players are scared to make a mistake, they become over defensive... Like passing back to keeper when unpressured...
Think we need to find a way for our players to feel they can play.
We actually passed the ball back to Amos- from the edge of their box!!
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Bogle and Williams are certainly on a downward trajectory with their careers - Morgan is still young but potentially isnt rated by other clubs seeing no one wanted him on loan in the Football League this summer.. If they want to bugger off in a strop at the end of their contracts (or sooner) then Bowyer is probably confident there is a high chance it wont be to a club that'll be better than us
Of course it would be interesting if he were to take this public stance with say Joe Aribo (when he was here) or Alfie Doughty, the sort of player he knows realistically he cant afford to piss off because it would seriously backfire in that regard
It's getting ridiculous when your team is passing back to your goalkeeper, when you are in the attacking half.
65 yard pass backs to the goalie is literally beyond the pale.
Bowyer is in massive credit with me, but for the last few games it's getting beyond stupid.
We have the players to be playing good attractive football, there is no need for all this sidewards, backwards, sidewards, back even further nonsense.
Think we need to find a way for our players to feel they can play.
That wasn't true during his first season and a half in charge. I honestly think he's a bit burnt out and if you think of the constant shit he's had to deal with on and off the pitch during the last 18 months it's easy to understand why. The guy needs a few days away from the club to clear his head and get his mojo back again.
LOL if you think Howe, who was managing in the PL, is gonna come back to L1. Get real, please.
Doesnt help we've had a tough campaign in the Championship last time out
Whilst this season has been an extremely late rebuild so willing to give him the benefit of the doubt with that
Was it Swansea away that was negative and poor?
However, here’s my match thread comment from just before the penalty:
Which I stand by completely. It wasn’t Jonny Williams fault that we didn’t win. It also wasn’t Albie Morgan’s fault even though his sliced clearance led to the goal. It also wasn’t the ref’s fault, even though he missed the handball in the lead up to the pen.
It was a collective effort and the fault has to lay with two entities:
1) Lee Bowyer and
2) the team as a unit.
The team played poorly overall and need to take their share of the blame, but Bowyer needs to own his own mistakes. He set this team and the tactics up and he picked the players. Throwing blame around and chucking individual players under the bus is not a good look and he needs to sort that out.
You often hear managers saying certain players will “run through brick walls” for the cause, but how can you expect that sort of commitment from players when the manager won’t back them when times are tough?
Disappointed with Bowyer today. He needs to wise up and learn from this quickly before he loses the players, if it’s not already too late.