So of late bowyer has made some strange/interesting substitutions todays probably cost the 3 points ?everyone digging bowyer out but surley jackson is also accountable as they make these decisions together?
Bowyer is manager.
Jacko is simply his assistant.
He is but surely he can't be agreeing with it all the time but maybee he's just so yes man
As his assistant he can't do anything but back the manager. He has to do his job. You often see an assistant has a totally different style when they get a chance. Bowyer picks the side, decides on the tactics and subs. Jackson can only influence to the degree he is allowed to. If he doesn't he is a poor assistant.
The buck stops with Bowyer. Certainly not the loyal supporters. This is absolutely atrocious. He does not get a pass this season. He has to go. He is not an experienced manager and looks like he has lost the plot. Take a good look at yourself Bowyer. Do the decent thing and resign now, before Thomas gives you the spanish archer.
The buck stops with Bowyer. Certainly not the loyal supporters. This is absolutely atrocious. He does not get a pass this season. He has to go. He is not an experienced manager and looks like he has lost the plot. Take a good look at yourself Bowyer. Do the decent thing and resign now, before Thomas gives you the spanish archer.
The buck stops with Bowyer. Certainly not the loyal supporters. This is absolutely atrocious. He does not get a pass this season. He has to go. He is not an experienced manager and looks like he has lost the plot. Take a good look at yourself Bowyer. Do the decent thing and resign now, before Thomas gives you the spanish archer.
No comment from you during our superb clean sheet run, yet two comments this week both anti-Bowyer
The buck stops with Bowyer. Certainly not the loyal supporters. This is absolutely atrocious. He does not get a pass this season. He has to go. He is not an experienced manager and looks like he has lost the plot. Take a good look at yourself Bowyer. Do the decent thing and resign now, before Thomas gives you the spanish archer.
The thing is with Bowyer. Since we got the ridiculous injuries last season, something has changed in him and it isn't for the better. Whether that is also to do with the ridiculous behind the scenes goings on or not, I don't know, but something has changed and I have changed in the way I view him because I can see the change.
If you want to argue that he worked miracles getting a squad together before the injuries that more than competed in the Championship, well I would agree. But the last 8 games of the season, his ultra negative approach relegated us. I don't like to point it out but it is true.
When a team tries to beat us, it plays to our strengths and we can snuff them out of the game and nick a goal or two. When they try to stop us, by doing what we do to us, we haven't got an answer. That is why, today Bowyer didn't try to beat Shrewsbury but set up to stop them. they set up to stop us and it was a dreadful game. Then after we scored, we sat back and they had to try to beat us. It was a question of getting to the final whistle before they scored. This tactic from Bowyer is invariably unsuccessful but he doesn't change it. It creates a panic to our play and also lets opponents know they can attack without us catching them out.
Bowyer hasn't got a clue who our best team is because he chops and changes too much. Ok, some of it is enforced, but his treatment of Williams and indeed Bogle is outrageous and it can't fail to have players dissing him behind his back. It is how you lose a dressing room.
And for those saying, who is out there who could replace Bowyer. I thought Eddie Howe was out there. Bowyer needs to get his finger out quickly and sort out his negative tactics or walk. We have a good squad which can be improved further in January. If he can't achieve with it, we need somebody who can. He deserves some more games, but not blind faith. Something is wrong and has been for a while.
Agree with everything you've said except...............there is no chance Eddie Howe would come to a league one club!
And that was the only way Shrewsbury were going to score in my opinion.
They hit the bar twice and forced 3 good saves from Amos?
Yes, but they didn't score and, even with those, I just wasn't impressed with them. We should have seen that game out.
Wasn't that all in the last 10 or 15 minutes of the game, after we went into our defensive shell? I remember them hitting the bar once. The slip up from Amos when he should have held the ball? I can't remember the other time (that doesn't mean they didn't but I can't remember it).
Ultimately I think we have a limited team and the wrong approach tactically at the moment. There’s a number of issues. I think the run of 6 wins definitely gave me a sense of complacency, despite some of the wins not being that good in terms of the football we played. I probably brushed over that like a lot of us did, we just wanted the feel good factor after the takeover and subsequent signings.
First and foremost we just don’t look like scoring. You can’t get out of any league if you can’t score goals. Perhaps it’s a hangover from last season. We were in a higher league and I reckon a lot of Bowyer’s approach was to play not to get beat. Certainly when the season resumed, we got our three 1-0 wins in a similar manner to the wins we’ve achieved this season. However, we seem to be now reverting more to the team that huffed and puffed to relegation in the last 6 games of last season.
It’s been a horrible, turbulent year, and I think all the external factors with things like Covid, the takeover and just uncertainty with where the world is going has probably impacted many of us more than we know. I’m not for one second using Corona as an excuse for what is going on on the pitch at the moment, simply pointing out how many other teams are turning in surprising/poor results.
On the pitch, it’s not working. You can go through the team and I don’t know how many players are actually good enough to get promotion. Amos has been outstanding and probably stopped a couple of those wins turning into draws. The defence started well and I think with Inniss and Famewo, we looked competent, particularly with Gunter and Maatsen either side. In the last few weeks, Gunter has looked a liability (I appreciate he’s played many of the games as a centre back), but he seems to be caught out for pace and I do worry when opposing players come at him. Maatsen shows great promise, but he’s just a kid. It’s a big ask to get him to come in and perform consistently. I think he is decent, but it’s a lot to ask of him at his stage of his career.
I’m tiring of the amount of game time that Pratley gets to be honest. I take nothing away from his contribution in his career to date, but he seems to be first name down on the team sheet every week. I don’t think it’s healthy how he starts most games, despite his engine or his fitness levels. We need more craft and guile if we’re going to try and play football. He brings a certain sideways approach and I think we’re making a negative statement when we keep playing him.
I had high hopes of Watson when we signed him, and I do think he can add something, but at the moment, he just seems like another slow cog in the base of that midfield. Shinnie has shown glimpses of his ability, but in the last few games he hasn’t looked like the player we had before the break. He may come back stronger after the injury if he recovers well and is among a more dynamic style of play. Gilbey hasn’t impressed me at all. I know he’s had the injury so I won’t write him off, but he hasn’t shown me anything of note. JFC is only here because of his injury and the fact we stood by him and offered him a new contract. He plays as if he’s Beckham. You get the odd decent ball or bit of play, but he’s not someone that gets you promoted.
Williams is probably starting to show why he’s never actually gone onto play at a higher level had he not been so injury prone. He looks promising when he gets the ball, but often, nothing happens. It’s a probing run, diagonally, usually ends up in a foul, but I think you can count his goals and assists on one hand maybe.
The forward line is huff and puff. I thought Washington and Bogle looked very good from a workrate perspective prior to the intl break, but since then they look like they’re in each other’s way. Aneke is talented in spurts, but can’t seem to last more than 30mins
for the players I haven’t mentioned, like Morgan, Maddison, Smyth etc, I just haven’t seen enough of them this season to form an opinion. Morgan does have talent, but again, is it talent that can get us promoted?
I may come across as being overly harsh, but it’s just a feeling I get from watching us, and having seen what a promoted side looks like. This lot aren’t in my opinion.
this then leaves it being very difficult for Bowyer. Not for one second do I think we should get rid of him, the man is a legend and I think he’s a very good manager. I’m just a bit worried he doesn’t actually know what to do with the players at his disposal, and subbing Williams who came on as a sub seems to suggest that there may be a bit of unrest behind the scenes. Might be nothing and I’m talking rubbish, but he’s been terse of late in his post match interviews. He’s dug out Morgan, Maddison, Bogle to the best of my memory and something just seems off.
And that was the only way Shrewsbury were going to score in my opinion.
They hit the bar twice and forced 3 good saves from Amos?
Yes, but they didn't score and, even with those, I just wasn't impressed with them. We should have seen that game out.
Wasn't that all in the last 10 or 15 minutes of the game, after we went into our defensive shell? I remember them hitting the bar once. The slip up from Amos when he should have held the ball? I can't remember the other time (that doesn't mean they didn't but I can't remember it).
The buck stops with Bowyer. Certainly not the loyal supporters. This is absolutely atrocious. He does not get a pass this season. He has to go. He is not an experienced manager and looks like he has lost the plot. Take a good look at yourself Bowyer. Do the decent thing and resign now, before Thomas gives you the spanish archer.
Just had a look at your 35 comments in 5 years. You are a happy chap.
If players can't take being singled out or publicly criticised then they need to be more resilient.
Or should it only be one way traffic i.e. managers can only publicly praise and laud players when they put in a blinder or do something great in a game?
Seems to be a modern phenomenon where every body needs to be wrapped up in cotton wool and sheltered from any form of criticism because they're young or not a tackler or whatever
They are grown men who do a job the vast majority of us would love to do and get paid handsomely for it.
I make Bowyer bang on for pulling players up for jumping out of the ways of tackles and hoofing balls in the air in panic representative of u11s park football.
If players don't have the mental resilience to deal with such criticism and only expect to be praised or spoken to behind closed doors then what has the game come to.
Bowyer is only expressing what I and I suspect many fans thought when he saw what happened and saw them capitulate to throw away 2 points
The right set of players will roll their sleeves up now and kick on and learn from the public bollocking.
I really don't get the mentality that players are so precious that they cannot be publicly held to account for poor performance in the same way they are rightly lauded for good performances.
He's not slagging them off as people and he will laud them when they play well so it is swings and roundabouts.
Perhaps thats's where managers like Bowyer and Roy Keane struggle...i.e. they see things that they wouldn't see as acceptable or would be expected to get the hairdryer treatment for doing in their playing days and translate it into their management style.
With him on this one even though I may be wrong and in the minority.
Ultimately I think we have a limited team and the wrong approach tactically at the moment. There’s a number of issues. I think the run of 6 wins definitely gave me a sense of complacency, despite some of the wins not being that good in terms of the football we played. I probably brushed over that like a lot of us did, we just wanted the feel good factor after the takeover and subsequent signings.
First and foremost we just don’t look like scoring. You can’t get out of any league if you can’t score goals. Perhaps it’s a hangover from last season. We were in a higher league and I reckon a lot of Bowyer’s approach was to play not to get beat. Certainly when the season resumed, we got our three 1-0 wins in a similar manner to the wins we’ve achieved this season. However, we seem to be now reverting more to the team that huffed and puffed to relegation in the last 6 games of last season.
It’s been a horrible, turbulent year, and I think all the external factors with things like Covid, the takeover and just uncertainty with where the world is going has probably impacted many of us more than we know. I’m not for one second using Corona as an excuse for what is going on on the pitch at the moment, simply pointing out how many other teams are turning in surprising/poor results.
On the pitch, it’s not working. You can go through the team and I don’t know how many players are actually good enough to get promotion. Amos has been outstanding and probably stopped a couple of those wins turning into draws. The defence started well and I think with Inniss and Famewo, we looked competent, particularly with Gunter and Maatsen either side. In the last few weeks, Gunter has looked a liability (I appreciate he’s played many of the games as a centre back), but he seems to be caught out for pace and I do worry when opposing players come at him. Maatsen shows great promise, but he’s just a kid. It’s a big ask to get him to come in and perform consistently. I think he is decent, but it’s a lot to ask of him at his stage of his career.
I’m tiring of the amount of game time that Pratley gets to be honest. I take nothing away from his contribution in his career to date, but he seems to be first name down on the team sheet every week. I don’t think it’s healthy how he starts most games, despite his engine or his fitness levels. We need more craft and guile if we’re going to try and play football. He brings a certain sideways approach and I think we’re making a negative statement when we keep playing him.
I had high hopes of Watson when we signed him, and I do think he can add something, but at the moment, he just seems like another slow cog in the base of that midfield. Shinnie has shown glimpses of his ability, but in the last few games he hasn’t looked like the player we had before the break. He may come back stronger after the injury if he recovers well and is among a more dynamic style of play. Gilbey hasn’t impressed me at all. I know he’s had the injury so I won’t write him off, but he hasn’t shown me anything of note. JFC is only here because of his injury and the fact we stood by him and offered him a new contract. He plays as if he’s Beckham. You get the odd decent ball or bit of play, but he’s not someone that gets you promoted.
Williams is probably starting to show why he’s never actually gone onto play at a higher level had he not been so injury prone. He looks promising when he gets the ball, but often, nothing happens. It’s a probing run, diagonally, usually ends up in a foul, but I think you can count his goals and assists on one hand maybe.
The forward line is huff and puff. I thought Washington and Bogle looked very good from a workrate perspective prior to the intl break, but since then they look like they’re in each other’s way. Aneke is talented in spurts, but can’t seem to last more than 30mins
for the players I haven’t mentioned, like Morgan, Maddison, Smyth etc, I just haven’t seen enough of them this season to form an opinion. Morgan does have talent, but again, is it talent that can get us promoted?
I may come across as being overly harsh, but it’s just a feeling I get from watching us, and having seen what a promoted side looks like. This lot aren’t in my opinion.
this then leaves it being very difficult for Bowyer. Not for one second do I think we should get rid of him, the man is a legend and I think he’s a very good manager. I’m just a bit worried he doesn’t actually know what to do with the players at his disposal, and subbing Williams who came on as a sub seems to suggest that there may be a bit of unrest behind the scenes. Might be nothing and I’m talking rubbish, but he’s been terse of late in his post match interviews. He’s dug out Morgan, Maddison, Bogle to the best of my memory and something just seems off.
Good post I think there is something certainly not right.
It's worth considering that had we appointed Warnock during the spring lockdown, as Middlesbrough did, we might well have stayed up. Again, as Boro did. There are some folk on this forum who would happily see us in the National South if Bowyer was still in charge - and Lapslie and Morgan (the culprit today) still playing for us, because they are home-grown.
The plain fact is that we are a bang-ordinary third division team, with a third division manager. Watch closely and you'll see that our players are simply unable to control the ball with one touch, and are unable to pass to the path of a runner. That's why we can't get forward - the man has to stop, to collect the ball, often behind him. And our crosses are hopeless. And our 'strikers' are just clumsy. We'll do well to finish in the top six.
If players can't take being singled out or publicly criticised then they need to be more resilient.
Or should it only be one way traffic i.e. managers can only publicly praise and laud players when they put in a blinder or do something great in a game?
Seems to be a modern phenomenon where every body needs to be wrapped up in cotton wool and sheltered from any form of criticism because they're young or not a tackler or whatever
They are grown men who do a job the vast majority of us would love to do and get paid handsomely for it.
I make Bowyer bang on for pulling players up for jumping out of the ways of tackles and hoofing balls in the air in panic representative of u11s park football.
If players don't have the mental resilience to deal with such criticism and only expect to be praised or spoken to behind closed doors then what has the game come to.
Bowyer is only expressing what I and I suspect many fans thought when he saw what happened and saw them capitulate to throw away 2 points
The right set of players will roll their sleeves up now and kick on and learn from the public bollocking.
I really don't get the mentality that players are so precious that they cannot be publicly held to account for poor performance in the same way they are rightly lauded for good performances.
He's not slagging them off as people and he will laud them when they play well so it is swings and roundabouts.
Perhaps thats's where managers like Bowyer and Roy Keane struggle...i.e. they see things that they wouldn't see as acceptable or would be expected to get the hairdryer treatment for doing in their playing days and translate it into their management style.
With him on this one even though I may be wrong and in the minority.
They are not managing a team of Roy Keanes or Lee Bowyers. An element of management is managing different characters and personalities.
When people say Bowyer could have walked. Where could he have walked to? I know there was some mentions of his name, but I didn't think there was anything concrete.
If players can't take being singled out or publicly criticised then they need to be more resilient.
Or should it only be one way traffic i.e. managers can only publicly praise and laud players when they put in a blinder or do something great in a game?
Seems to be a modern phenomenon where every body needs to be wrapped up in cotton wool and sheltered from any form of criticism because they're young or not a tackler or whatever
They are grown men who do a job the vast majority of us would love to do and get paid handsomely for it.
I make Bowyer bang on for pulling players up for jumping out of the ways of tackles and hoofing balls in the air in panic representative of u11s park football.
If players don't have the mental resilience to deal with such criticism and only expect to be praised or spoken to behind closed doors then what has the game come to.
Bowyer is only expressing what I and I suspect many fans thought when he saw what happened and saw them capitulate to throw away 2 points
The right set of players will roll their sleeves up now and kick on and learn from the public bollocking.
I really don't get the mentality that players are so precious that they cannot be publicly held to account for poor performance in the same way they are rightly lauded for good performances.
He's not slagging them off as people and he will laud them when they play well so it is swings and roundabouts.
Perhaps thats's where managers like Bowyer and Roy Keane struggle...i.e. they see things that they wouldn't see as acceptable or would be expected to get the hairdryer treatment for doing in their playing days and translate it into their management style.
With him on this one even though I may be wrong and in the minority.
They are not managing a team of Roy Keanes or Lee Bowyers. An element of management is managing different characters and personalities.
True Muttley, and perhaps that is down to his inexperience and he will hone it as he develops.
Perhaps everyone will sleep on it and it won't be such a big deal in the morning....Williams won't take it to heart, Bowyer will perhaps learn from it and learn to reign it in publicly and we will move forward.
Losing Bowyer isn't the answer at the moment and he is due some time under a non- basket case owner. I am sure the players will have enough about them to get on with it.
I'd like to see Bowyer apologise to Williams. He didn't deserve that treatment and it takes a man to admit he acted wrongly. I think it will help morale too to put this behind us.
But to learn, you have to be open to the idea you might be wrong.
The seeds were sown last season, with a bit more positivity I think we would have achieved what we needed. Was it Swansea away that was negative and poor?
Yes, when we were so wracked with injuries we were forced to start with the likes of Dempsey who had to be recalled from the dizzy heights of Dulwich Hamlet.
I'm struggling to think of any manager in any league capable of playing positively in those circumstances.
He did damned well to protect the goal difference and only lose 1-0 and even then Josh Davison, yes the bloke that started that season at Enfield came within a whisker of nicking us a draw.
The buck stops with Bowyer. Certainly not the loyal supporters. This is absolutely atrocious. He does not get a pass this season. He has to go. He is not an experienced manager and looks like he has lost the plot. Take a good look at yourself Bowyer. Do the decent thing and resign now, before Thomas gives you the spanish archer.
I'd like to see Bowyer apologise to Williams. He didn't deserve that treatment and it takes a man to admit he acted wrongly. I think it will help morale too to put this behind us.
But to learn, you have to be open to the idea you might be wrong.
Given that he's never (correct me if I'm wrong) come out and accepted responsibility for a defeat or poor result I'd say that's highly unlikely.
I'd like to see Bowyer apologise to Williams. He didn't deserve that treatment and it takes a man to admit he acted wrongly. I think it will help morale too to put this behind us.
But to learn, you have to be open to the idea you might be wrong.
Given that he's never (correct me if I'm wrong) come out and accepted responsibility for a defeat or poor result I'd say that's highly unlikely.
He has at least once. Huddersfield 4-0 defeat earlier this year.
Ever since alfie been injured we've lost all our attacking threat without him we have no pace or intent or vision going forward
Yep and it's pretty damning on Bowyer our attacking threat is reliant on a young lad who this time last year was playing for Bromley. Surely we must have some more options than "gotta go fast"
Thomas took over with a few days left of the window and they did what they could in the limited time available.
It's damning on Duchatelet and the crooks for their lack of support not Bowyer!
If players can't take being singled out or publicly criticised then they need to be more resilient.
Or should it only be one way traffic i.e. managers can only publicly praise and laud players when they put in a blinder or do something great in a game?
Seems to be a modern phenomenon where every body needs to be wrapped up in cotton wool and sheltered from any form of criticism because they're young or not a tackler or whatever
They are grown men who do a job the vast majority of us would love to do and get paid handsomely for it.
I make Bowyer bang on for pulling players up for jumping out of the ways of tackles and hoofing balls in the air in panic representative of u11s park football.
If players don't have the mental resilience to deal with such criticism and only expect to be praised or spoken to behind closed doors then what has the game come to.
Bowyer is only expressing what I and I suspect many fans thought when he saw what happened and saw them capitulate to throw away 2 points
The right set of players will roll their sleeves up now and kick on and learn from the public bollocking.
I really don't get the mentality that players are so precious that they cannot be publicly held to account for poor performance in the same way they are rightly lauded for good performances.
He's not slagging them off as people and he will laud them when they play well so it is swings and roundabouts.
Perhaps thats's where managers like Bowyer and Roy Keane struggle...i.e. they see things that they wouldn't see as acceptable or would be expected to get the hairdryer treatment for doing in their playing days and translate it into their management style.
With him on this one even though I may be wrong and in the minority.
Nope, I'm with you. Although I admit I wasn't watching
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First and foremost we just don’t look like scoring. You can’t get out of any league if you can’t score goals. Perhaps it’s a hangover from last season. We were in a higher league and I reckon a lot of Bowyer’s approach was to play not to get beat. Certainly when the season resumed, we got our three 1-0 wins in a similar manner to the wins we’ve achieved this season. However, we seem to be now reverting more to the team that huffed and puffed to relegation in the last 6 games of last season.
It’s been a horrible, turbulent year, and I think all the external factors with things like Covid, the takeover and just uncertainty with where the world is going has probably impacted many of us more than we know. I’m not for one second using Corona as an excuse for what is going on on the pitch at the moment, simply pointing out how many other teams are turning in surprising/poor results.
I’m tiring of the amount of game time that Pratley gets to be honest. I take nothing away from his contribution in his career to date, but he seems to be first name down on the team sheet every week. I don’t think it’s healthy how he starts most games, despite his engine or his fitness levels. We need more craft and guile if we’re going to try and play football. He brings a certain sideways approach and I think we’re making a negative statement when we keep playing him.
for the players I haven’t mentioned, like Morgan, Maddison, Smyth etc, I just haven’t seen enough of them this season to form an opinion. Morgan does have talent, but again, is it talent that can get us promoted?
I may come across as being overly harsh, but it’s just a feeling I get from watching us, and having seen what a promoted side looks like. This lot aren’t in my opinion.
this then leaves it being very difficult for Bowyer. Not for one second do I think we should get rid of him, the man is a legend and I think he’s a very good manager. I’m just a bit worried he doesn’t actually know what to do with the players at his disposal, and subbing Williams who came on as a sub seems to suggest that there may be a bit of unrest behind the scenes. Might be nothing and I’m talking rubbish, but he’s been terse of late in his post match interviews. He’s dug out Morgan, Maddison, Bogle to the best of my memory and something just seems off.
Or should it only be one way traffic i.e. managers can only publicly praise and laud players when they put in a blinder or do something great in a game?
Seems to be a modern phenomenon where every body needs to be wrapped up in cotton wool and sheltered from any form of criticism because they're young or not a tackler or whatever
They are grown men who do a job the vast majority of us would love to do and get paid handsomely for it.
I make Bowyer bang on for pulling players up for jumping out of the ways of tackles and hoofing balls in the air in panic representative of u11s park football.
If players don't have the mental resilience to deal with such criticism and only expect to be praised or spoken to behind closed doors then what has the game come to.
Bowyer is only expressing what I and I suspect many fans thought when he saw what happened and saw them capitulate to throw away 2 points
The right set of players will roll their sleeves up now and kick on and learn from the public bollocking.
I really don't get the mentality that players are so precious that they cannot be publicly held to account for poor performance in the same way they are rightly lauded for good performances.
He's not slagging them off as people and he will laud them when they play well so it is swings and roundabouts.
Perhaps thats's where managers like Bowyer and Roy Keane struggle...i.e. they see things that they wouldn't see as acceptable or would be expected to get the hairdryer treatment for doing in their playing days and translate it into their management style.
With him on this one even though I may be wrong and in the minority.
I think there is something certainly not right.
Some players can do NO WRONG
100%
The plain fact is that we are a bang-ordinary third division team, with a third division manager. Watch closely and you'll see that our players are simply unable to control the ball with one touch, and are unable to pass to the path of a runner. That's why we can't get forward - the man has to stop, to collect the ball, often behind him. And our crosses are hopeless. And our 'strikers' are just clumsy. We'll do well to finish in the top six.
When people say Bowyer could have walked. Where could he have walked to? I know there was some mentions of his name, but I didn't think there was anything concrete.
Perhaps everyone will sleep on it and it won't be such a big deal in the morning....Williams won't take it to heart, Bowyer will perhaps learn from it and learn to reign it in publicly and we will move forward.
Losing Bowyer isn't the answer at the moment and he is due some time under a non- basket case owner. I am sure the players will have enough about them to get on with it.
But to learn, you have to be open to the idea you might be wrong.
I'm struggling to think of any manager in any league capable of playing positively in those circumstances.
He did damned well to protect the goal difference and only lose 1-0 and even then Josh Davison, yes the bloke that started that season at Enfield came within a whisker of nicking us a draw.
It's damning on Duchatelet and the crooks for their lack of support not Bowyer!
Let's see where we are after January.