Don't want Bows going anywhere just yet but he keeps telling us how he improves players, Christ knows what this lot were like before he improved them!!!!
Bowyer has a lot in his account with us and rightly so.
It will be interesting to see how he performs under a bit of fan pressure and with a serious owner breathing down his neck. Is he the sort of character who will thrive, or will he say "fuck it"? At the moment he is saleable elsewhere if he fancy's it, but I assume he is a comparatively rich man with options outside of the game.
Still fuming over performances, but he has me behind him if he shows a bit of adventure, it's division 3 FFS!
I have said it before but a league one winning team should not have pratley starting so much.
He was great last season when we was underdogs and needed him to be the spoiler and he played that role brilliantly.
In our last league one team pratley was not a first choice midfielder only coming in when players injured, needed a rest or a big game where his experience was needed.
The fact pratley is playing so much says it all in that Bowyer attitude has changed a bit, he used to be all we play our football and score more goals then you, goals win games etc and it was great. I understand the switch back end of last year but think he is stuck in that mentality a bit now.
It may well be that he has to play this way and that the players we have he can’t not play that way and is getting annoyed with the players but I think he would do well to keep it in house it’s starting to cause a negative vibe.
To be fair to him it’s obvious we are lacking pace but he needs to find away around that until such time we have it back. I still think bowyer is the man for the job and is in so much credit but I am concerned and hope the rot has not set in.
To add though, we are not far away from being a very good league one team as we have the basis of that just missing pace.
We had blips in 18/19 but bowyer found away around them and no reason he can’t again so I have faith in him.
It seems his hamstring was 'a bit tight' before the previous game .. if so it was foolish to play him, especially given our hideous record when it comes to preventing and treating injuries
people calling for bowyers head as if we’re not top 6 with a game in hand ffs give your head a check
who is calling for his head ?
I am. I'm done. Far too negative, no width, no pace, no creativity. We have some good players but WE ARE NOT A TEAM.
Took Williams off because he shirked a challenge (this has come from Bowyer via Louis Mendes). In the last 6 months Bowyer has taken Morgan off for not tracking back & Bogle for not running about enough.
Brilliant, Golfie calling Bowyer far too negative. The most ironic comment I've ever read/heard in my life.
I said in the preview that Bowyer needs to get his selection and tactics right, he failed to do this yesterday and he still seems very unsure of what is his best line up and what tactics to adopt for different games. Injuries don't help of course. He is a manager who instinctively puts defence and caution first, and this philosophy will undoubtedly inhibit some of his less aggressive and more attack minded players. Bowyer has done and hopefully will continue to do a great job. However, he needs to lighten up. He is a very emotional man and sometimes his frustration gets the better of him. He rarely smiles and often looks 'hangdog' even after a win. In the Shrewsbury match preview interview with Olly Groome, he spoke of the last promotion push when we came from the back of the field on a long wonderful run to Wembley and victory. He had a better squad then, now we have no Bauer, Cullen, Aribo, Diskstiel, Bielik and the now despised but terrific scorer/creator Taylor. Our present squad is too heavy with midfielders and light on attackers. Back to Taylor, Bowyer is unable to depend on his gifts to get us out of trouble on a regular basis. League One players cannot be expected to be as skilled and consistent as the millionaires plying their trade in the Premier League. Last promotion season, I spent an uncomfortable Tuesday evening at Scunthorpe during a 5-3 loss. We were terrible, especially in defence. Yet we came back from this and one or two similar fiascos to get back into the Championship where we came within a whisker of survival last season. I am confident that this season we will be promoted once more, back towards where we belong. A few quid to spend in January, a settled side and a more attacking mindset will do wonders, AND I hope, put a smile at last on the Bowyer Boatrace ((:>)
The score that worried me the most yesterday was Accrington 2 MKDons 1.
Accrington are now sat just below us in the table and have two games in hand. People moan about our lack of resources but Accrington must have a budget of about 50p - I have no idea how John Coleman gets so much out of his players?
LB might prove to be a good manager in the long run but there are plenty of question marks for me.
So things have not gone our way for a few games so things are falling apart?
Well actually if Bowyer can't solve the problem soon it just might be.
Far from Bowyers biggest fan, tacticts can be boring and negative but heard hardly any moaning when we went on the 8 match unbeaten run.
I think I was roundly castigated on the many threads around that time (match threads, who is going score the goals, bogle.....) for saying what I have said for months & months. At least you can't say that I'm inconsistent or jumping on a bandwagon.
So things have not gone our way for a few games so things are falling apart?
Well actually if Bowyer can't solve the problem soon it just might be.
Far from Bowyers biggest fan, tacticts can be boring and negative but heard hardly any moaning when we went on the 8 match unbeaten run.
I think I was roundly castigated on the many threads around that time (match threads, who is going score the goals, bogle.....) for saying what I have said for months & months. At least you can't say that I'm inconsistent or jumping on a bandwagon.
In terms of squad we probably should be finishing in the top 6 - a lot of it is down to the manager getting the most out of the players.
people calling for bowyers head as if we’re not top 6 with a game in hand ffs give your head a check
who is calling for his head ?
I am. I'm done. Far too negative, no width, no pace, no creativity. We have some good players but WE ARE NOT A TEAM.
Took Williams off because he shirked a challenge (this has come from Bowyer via Louis Mendes). In the last 6 months Bowyer has taken Morgan off for not tracking back & Bogle for not running about enough.
Brilliant, Golfie calling Bowyer far too negative. The most ironic comment I've ever read/heard in my life.
(Although Bowyer is far too negative).
Funny, because when it comes to football I'm more positive than most. The reason why I'm seen as moany or negative on here is because football is such a simple game & the whole point is to score more goals than the opposition. Its not rocket science & is over complicated by formations & tactics. Get the ball forward & try to get it in the goal. How passing it backwards & sideways 10 times achieves that is beyond me.
I'd like a ticket to see a fan calling Bowyer a coward to his face.
If it could be set up, I'd do it. The way he has been playing since returning from lockdown is cowardly. But ultimately, I am ok with winning any way you can, the problem is ultra negativity doesn't work for us.
Bowyer did great putting a squad together for the Championship and there was nothing he could do about the injury crisis and gaps in the squad. Having done the hard work and got through it, his negativity undid the good work he achieved with our relegation and it is being carried over to this season.
We have a squad strong enough for promotion and that is what I expect and demand.
We score in the 71st minute with Bogle starting the move - Williams runs and passes to the over lapping Gunter who gives a good pass to Watson who with the help of a slight deflection scores.
1-0 up; with added time 23 minutes left.
Bogle, Williams and Morgan now on the field with fresh legs what could possibly go wrong against a mediocre team in 23rd place ?
Well instead of playing a slightly higher line and being pro active with 3 players who like to get forward we retreated and Invited Pressure. So suddenly unlike at Wembley when JW was running forward and drawing fouls and free kicks, he was exposed to players running at him and Williams struggled.
85th minute: Jonny Williams is subbed. Bowyer will be a genius or a dunce.
The answer to that was panic; Shrews are galvanized by this move and by attacking subs they had made themselves.
9 minutes to go: will the negative Alamo defence work ? It didn't for Davy Crockett and despite more heroics from Ben Amos we were about to snatch a draw from the jaws of victory.
Albie Morgan who's form had been good and should've started since Shinnie was missing had a moment which will give him nightmares (and me) for years to come.
That wild slice in the 94th minutes which should've gone forward but went sidewards and then backwards as the ball went up into the dark sky before coming down with the spin of Shane Warne and just like Mike Gatting our defenders were discombobulated and Gunter got his brace of penalty give aways.
The 85th minute hooking of the tiddler Jonny Williams may be a fisherman's tale that has far reaching Cause and effect.
I would have thought Johnny Jackson would have been consulted re: taking Williams off. Surely Bowyer would have been better off taking JFC or Washington off as they contributed nothing IMO yesterday. Sadly Lee seems to have lost the plot recently, and as for Gunter giving away 2 pens and as someone previous mentioned terrible against Burton needs resting!
So things have not gone our way for a few games so things are falling apart?
Well actually if Bowyer can't solve the problem soon it just might be.
Far from Bowyers biggest fan, tacticts can be boring and negative but heard hardly any moaning when we went on the 8 match unbeaten run.
Totally agree. But it's not me and you that call the shots. With the money he is investing in the club I think Thomas Sandgaard will be expecting nothing less than promotion this season.
I'm sure I remember when Bowyer first became manager, he told us how he'd learned something from every manager he'd played under: Curbs, George Graham, Bobby Robson, etc.
He made particular emphasis on how Bobby Robson handled a poor result. Robson never discussed the detail of the match straight after the game. And if he needed to rip into players over their performance, he waited until the first training session when temper and emotions had calmed.
That way you could be rational in what you wanted to convey to players, without the message getting lost in emotion. I was very impressed with that - and with Bowyer also, as he mostly did just that during his first year of management.
With the now regular publicly digging out of players and the emotional outbursts straight after the match, I believe he needs to go back to his original philosophy - and wait until the red mist and frustration has calmed.
Completely different level but I learned never to criticise a player on the day of the match in front of team mates, it achieves nothing and only makes them defensive. If you are going to criticise you always do it as a group.
What you do is have a chat at training. I used to take a few players out of a small sided game one at a time and spoke to them about the previous match. It was amazing how often they identified their errors given the chance to think about it. It becomes a sane, constructive conversation. You can also get useful insights as to why they think things are not working and sometimes they will have a point.
I'm sure I remember when Bowyer first became manager, he told us how he'd learned something from every manager he'd played under: Curbs, George Graham, Bobby Robson, etc.
He made particular emphasis on how Bobby Robson handled a poor result. Robson never discussed the detail of the match straight after the game. And if he needed to rip into players over their performance, he waited until the first training session when temper and emotions had calmed.
That way you could be rational in what you wanted to convey to players, without the message getting lost in emotion. I was very impressed with that - and with Bowyer also, as he mostly did just that during his first year of management.
With the now regular publicly digging out of players and the emotional outbursts straight after the match, I believe he needs to go back to his original philosophy - and wait until the red mist and frustration has calmed.
Back to your own basics, Lee.
I agree. I think he made the same point about Terry Venables
Dont think it helps we've now lost Shinnie - Always said myself that when we had a fit midfield I'd be surprised to see Pratley and Watson together... As @Sage said on a preview, the players at the moment insist on playing a tiresome game of tag with injuries
I think we struggling because we have lost all our creative or attacking players through injury or "illness", apart from Morgan who was brought on late. It's no good blaming the forwards who are feeding on scraps.
This will sound perverse but Bowyer has become a victim of his own success.
He made a silk purse out of a sow's ear last season and damned nearly avoided relegation.
We started the season with an even poorer squad for reasons we all know and did ok given the situation. Then Thomas came in, the transfer embargo was lifted and Lee got three or four new bodies in.They gelled instantly and went on a terrific run which torpedoed us up the table. The expectation of fans, all of whom were simply grateful for the Club's existence just a few weeks before, went through the roof.
However this is Charlton. You can always rely on an injury or ten to derail us and the international break meant the momentum of our run came to a juddering halt.
Thomas has improved the Squad but to some extent Bowyer is still moving deckhairs around the Titanic.
I'm as guilty as anyone in forgetting this during the heat of the match, read the match thread, but we need to remember where we were.
We have a chance of play offs with all our players fit but otherwise, in reality, top half is as good as it gets as it stands.
Not Bowyer's fault at all but the criminal lack of investment on the playing side by Duchatelet and the crooks respectively.
Remember where we've been and what we've gone through and then give thanks to Lee Bowyer and his staff for sticking with us. They need our support not demands for their heads on a platter right now.
COYR
Another problem Bowyer has, is if he explains to the fans his detailed thoughts/plans (such as our forwards are poor etc). Then he's again slating the players publicly and moreover he's giving the opposition the heads up as well.
Honeymoon period for Bowyer definitely over it seems, calls for his head are rash considering what he’s had to deal with, and where we were end of September squad wise before TS came riding in on his big beautiful Danish stead, however, Bowyer is not beyond criticism or fault, those that think he is are equally rash.
Are people actually calling for his head? I don’t think I’ve seen any comments actually suggesting he should be sacked?
Honeymoon period for Bowyer definitely over it seems, calls for his head are rash considering what he’s had to deal with, and where we were end of September squad wise before TS came riding in on his big beautiful Danish stead, however, Bowyer is not beyond criticism or fault, those that think he is are equally rash.
Are people actually calling for his head? I don’t think I’ve seen any comments actually suggesting he should be sacked?
Yes, a couple have, as well as two threads being made about Bowyer leaving at some point in the future. Its not needed, whether it’s hypothetical or not.
The score that worried me the most yesterday was Accrington 2 MKDons 1.
Accrington are now sat just below us in the table and have two games in hand. People moan about our lack of resources but Accrington must have a budget of about 50p - I have no idea how John Coleman gets so much out of his players?
LB might prove to be a good manager in the long run but there are plenty of question marks for me.
People have short memories. Accrington were very well placed two seasons ago and it was a really tough game at The Valley. People didn't like their tactics...
They have a small budget. But they also have a brilliant owner, who tells everyone how small it is but that they know it, and set out from day 1 knowing their limitations. In that sense they'll have had as good a pre-season as anyone in the division. Immeasurably better than what Bow and co. had to endure, that's for sure.
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It will be interesting to see how he performs under a bit of fan pressure and with a serious owner breathing down his neck. Is he the sort of character who will thrive, or will he say "fuck it"? At the moment he is saleable elsewhere if he fancy's it, but I assume he is a comparatively rich man with options outside of the game.
Still fuming over performances, but he has me behind him if he shows a bit of adventure, it's division 3 FFS!
The most ironic comment I've ever read/heard in my life.
(Although Bowyer is far too negative).
Bowyer has done and hopefully will continue to do a great job. However, he needs to lighten up. He is a very emotional man and sometimes his frustration gets the better of him. He rarely smiles and often looks 'hangdog' even after a win.
In the Shrewsbury match preview interview with Olly Groome, he spoke of the last promotion push when we came from the back of the field on a long wonderful run to Wembley and victory. He had a better squad then, now we have no Bauer, Cullen, Aribo, Diskstiel, Bielik and the now despised but terrific scorer/creator Taylor. Our present squad is too heavy with midfielders and light on attackers. Back to Taylor, Bowyer is unable to depend on his gifts to get us out of trouble on a regular basis. League One players cannot be expected to be as skilled and consistent as the millionaires plying their trade in the Premier League.
Last promotion season, I spent an uncomfortable Tuesday evening at Scunthorpe during a 5-3 loss. We were terrible, especially in defence. Yet we came back from this and one or two similar fiascos to get back into the Championship where we came within a whisker of survival last season. I am confident that this season we will be promoted once more, back towards where we belong. A few quid to spend in January, a settled side and a more attacking mindset will do wonders, AND I hope, put a smile at last on the Bowyer Boatrace ((:>)
LB might prove to be a good manager in the long run but there are plenty of question marks for me.
Bowyer did great putting a squad together for the Championship and there was nothing he could do about the injury crisis and gaps in the squad. Having done the hard work and got through it, his negativity undid the good work he achieved with our relegation and it is being carried over to this season.
We have a squad strong enough for promotion and that is what I expect and demand.
Kneejerking and the chance to create a crisis out of nothing.
The down side of social media.
We score in the 71st minute with Bogle starting the move - Williams runs and passes to the over lapping Gunter who gives a good pass to Watson who with the help of a slight deflection scores.
1-0 up; with added time 23 minutes left.
Bogle, Williams and Morgan now on the field with fresh legs what could possibly go wrong against a mediocre team in 23rd place ?
Well instead of playing a slightly higher line and being pro active with 3 players who like to get forward we retreated and Invited Pressure. So suddenly unlike at Wembley when JW was running forward and drawing fouls and free kicks, he was exposed to players running at him and Williams struggled.
85th minute: Jonny Williams is subbed.
Bowyer will be a genius or a dunce.
The answer to that was panic; Shrews are galvanized by this move and by attacking subs they had made themselves.
9 minutes to go: will the negative Alamo defence work ? It didn't for Davy Crockett and despite more heroics from Ben Amos we were about to snatch a draw from the jaws of victory.
Albie Morgan who's form had been good and should've started since Shinnie was missing had a moment which will give him nightmares (and me) for years to come.
That wild slice in the 94th minutes which should've gone forward but went sidewards and then backwards as the ball went up into the dark sky before coming down with the spin of Shane Warne and just like Mike Gatting our defenders were discombobulated and Gunter got his brace of penalty give aways.
The 85th minute hooking of the tiddler Jonny Williams may be a fisherman's tale that has far reaching Cause and effect.
Surely Bowyer would have been better off taking JFC or Washington off as they contributed
nothing IMO yesterday. Sadly Lee seems to have lost the plot recently, and as for Gunter
giving away 2 pens and as someone previous mentioned terrible against Burton
needs resting!
But it's not me and you that call the shots.
With the money he is investing in the club I think Thomas Sandgaard will be expecting nothing less than promotion this season.
He made particular emphasis on how Bobby Robson handled a poor result.
Robson never discussed the detail of the match straight after the game. And if he needed to rip into players over their performance, he waited until the first training session when temper and emotions had calmed.
That way you could be rational in what you wanted to convey to players, without the message getting lost in emotion.
I was very impressed with that - and with Bowyer also, as he mostly did just that during his first year of management.
With the now regular publicly digging out of players and the emotional outbursts straight after the match, I believe he needs to go back to his original philosophy - and wait until the red mist and frustration has calmed.
Back to your own basics, Lee.
What you do is have a chat at training. I used to take a few players out of a small sided game one at a time and spoke to them about the previous match. It was amazing how often they identified their errors given the chance to think about it. It becomes a sane, constructive conversation. You can also get useful insights as to why they think things are not working and sometimes they will have a point.
Then he's again slating the players publicly and moreover he's giving the opposition the heads up as well.
They have a small budget. But they also have a brilliant owner, who tells everyone how small it is but that they know it, and set out from day 1 knowing their limitations. In that sense they'll have had as good a pre-season as anyone in the division. Immeasurably better than what Bow and co. had to endure, that's for sure.