...but is this partly due to the England batters' lack of red ball cricket this summer ?
Big time. Along with our tendency to bottle it (not including Stokes and Leach, of course.) But also due to the pitch - let's be honest, it was flat yesterday, and its turning and reversing today.
That’s what tends to happen on the final day of a test which is why batting last should really be avoided at costs
Its tricky isn't it... Do you bowl first innings with clouds overhead knowing you'll have to bat to win, or do you go into bat first knowing you might struggle to post a decent score but avoiding batting on the final day?
Joe Root is England's most successful Test captain ever. Who would you choose to replace him?
...but is this partly due to the England batters' lack of red ball cricket this summer ?
Big time. Along with our tendency to bottle it (not including Stokes and Leach, of course.) But also due to the pitch - let's be honest, it was flat yesterday, and its turning and reversing today.
That’s what tends to happen on the final day of a test which is why batting last should really be avoided at costs
It looks like England will lose twice batting last on the 5th day this series
...but is this partly due to the England batters' lack of red ball cricket this summer ?
Big time. Along with our tendency to bottle it (not including Stokes and Leach, of course.) But also due to the pitch - let's be honest, it was flat yesterday, and its turning and reversing today.
That’s what tends to happen on the final day of a test which is why batting last should really be avoided at costs
Its tricky isn't it... Do you bowl first innings with clouds overhead knowing you'll have to bat to win, or do you go into bat first knowing you might struggle to post a decent score but avoiding batting on the final day?
Joe Root is England's most successful Test captain ever. Who would you choose to replace him?
Is he? Just by being there longer than a few others? Brearly & Vaughan both won more of their Tests I think? Maybe Strauss too, certainly lost less.
Playing down to 3rd man is usually meat and drink for him.
The pressure of the days play and noise seem to have hit England hard. You'd think they're the away team listening to the noise!
The Indian fans are naturally noisier anyway, but easier to make noise when you're the team chasing the win (and winning) as opposed to the team trying to cling on for a draw
...but is this partly due to the England batters' lack of red ball cricket this summer ?
Big time. Along with our tendency to bottle it (not including Stokes and Leach, of course.) But also due to the pitch - let's be honest, it was flat yesterday, and its turning and reversing today.
That’s what tends to happen on the final day of a test which is why batting last should really be avoided at costs
Its tricky isn't it... Do you bowl first innings with clouds overhead knowing you'll have to bat to win, or do you go into bat first knowing you might struggle to post a decent score but avoiding batting on the final day?
Joe Root is England's most successful Test captain ever. Who would you choose to replace him?
Is he? Just by being there longer than a few others? Brearly & Vaughan both won more of their Tests I think? Maybe Strauss too, certainly lost less.
...but is this partly due to the England batters' lack of red ball cricket this summer ?
Big time. Along with our tendency to bottle it (not including Stokes and Leach, of course.) But also due to the pitch - let's be honest, it was flat yesterday, and its turning and reversing today.
That’s what tends to happen on the final day of a test which is why batting last should really be avoided at costs
Its tricky isn't it... Do you bowl first innings with clouds overhead knowing you'll have to bat to win, or do you go into bat first knowing you might struggle to post a decent score but avoiding batting on the final day?
Joe Root is England's most successful Test captain ever. Who would you choose to replace him?
Is he? Just by being there longer than a few others? Brearly & Vaughan both won more of their Tests I think? Maybe Strauss too, certainly lost less.
For the record, the only player still playing cricket to have captained England in a Test match is Ben Stokes. Hos career record is 0% wins.
Two different points here.
a) Is winning the most Tests regardless of how many you played the best barometer?
Just checked, Brearly's win/loss ratio was 4.5, Vaughan 2.36, Strauss 2.18, Root is 1.35.
I wouldn't call him the most successful England captain ever, which was my point. I didn't say I'd replace Root (and I wouldn't, there's really no one else around at the moment).
b) You can't suggest because someone hasn't captained England before they's automatically be worse. I wouldn't replace Root, but the bit in bold is daft. Good to see you added the % in though, rather than just 0 wins, that would seem to back up point a).
England play far more Tests than they used to, and a lot of the countries are very weak in Tests now, so England will always win a lot of games. The likes of West Indies, Sri Lanka, S Africa are a shadow of the Test sides they were
You need to give players a chance but maybe whilst you can, or should, afford to build up a couple of players, there are generally four to six unreliable scorers playing in every test so you are over reliant on the others.
...but is this partly due to the England batters' lack of red ball cricket this summer ?
Big time. Along with our tendency to bottle it (not including Stokes and Leach, of course.) But also due to the pitch - let's be honest, it was flat yesterday, and its turning and reversing today.
That’s what tends to happen on the final day of a test which is why batting last should really be avoided at costs
I love Shane Warne's comment on day 1 about what a certain Aussie captain used to say about winning the toss.
9 times out of 10 I would chose to bat first.....the 10th time I would think about it....and then decide to bat.
It's not really a discussion point but, so far as captaincy is concerned, there isn't a single player, bar Root, who is currently guaranteed their place in side. It can't be a bowler because they get injured (and are rotated anyway) and none of our batsmen have currently proved themselves.
I would like to see us bat first but Root would rather lose a Test on the last day than, effectively and with our batting as brittle as it is, losing it on the first. That said, we shouldn't be 200-8 having been 100-0!
India found it very easy to bowl on this pitch yet we struggled.We lost this test from the moment they went past 99 2nd innings.we made it easy for them.Another woeful England performance and i am dreading another 5-0 drubbing in Australia.Feel for Root.Something needs to be sorted out upstairs and the ECB need to take a hard long look at themselves.Pathetic.
India found it very easy to bowl on this pitch yet we struggled.We lost this test from the moment they went past 99 2nd innings.we made it easy for them.Another woeful England performance and i am dreading another 5-0 drubbing in Australia.Feel for Root.Something needs to be sorted out upstairs and the ECB need to take a hard long look at themselves.Pathetic.
Australia aren't very strong at the moment. I wouldn't expect to see a 5-0 drubbing at all.
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If these two stay in for another hour....
no need to get bat on ball
The pressure of the days play and noise seem to have hit England hard. You'd think they're the away team listening to the noise!
Vaughan 26
Cook, Strauss 24
May 20
Brearley 18
Who would you choose to replace Root?
For the record, the only player still playing cricket to have captained England in a Test match is Ben Stokes. Hos career record is 0% wins.
a) Is winning the most Tests regardless of how many you played the best barometer?
Just checked, Brearly's win/loss ratio was 4.5, Vaughan 2.36, Strauss 2.18, Root is 1.35.
I wouldn't call him the most successful England captain ever, which was my point. I didn't say I'd replace Root (and I wouldn't, there's really no one else around at the moment).
b) You can't suggest because someone hasn't captained England before they's automatically be worse. I wouldn't replace Root, but the bit in bold is daft. Good to see you added the % in though, rather than just 0 wins, that would seem to back up point a).
9 times out of 10 I would chose to bat first.....the 10th time I would think about it....and then decide to bat.
I would like to see us bat first but Root would rather lose a Test on the last day than, effectively and with our batting as brittle as it is, losing it on the first. That said, we shouldn't be 200-8 having been 100-0!
New ball time...
Wicket.
Won't happen I know.