oggy the reason being .... we are used to playing in front of fuck all Charlton fans for away fixtures where as at home we are used to there being plenty of Charlton fans there
The whole “where are the Bowyer in/out crowd” type comments quite common on social media after a game are becoming tedious.
I’m not “Bowyer out”, but I’m more along the lines of “I really want it to work under Bowyer, but can’t see it happening long term”. Thankfully it’s not my decision as to whether he stays, goes, who replaces him etc.
What I will say though is that a 2-0 win away at Rochdale doesn’t change my view on Bowyer for better or worse, because quite frankly, that’s a result we should be getting.
Where I’ll judge Bowyer is over a string of games or a period of time. Over the past year it hasn’t been good enough - and yes, I do put some of the Championship relegation on him.
If he gets to the end of the season, then so be it, it’s not as if the club is going to fold if we stay in League One for another season and we don’t go up.
But if we take the rose-tinted glasses off and stop talking about loyalty and the excuses - he hasn’t been good enough for about 12 months. Again - a win away at Rochdale doesn’t change that all of a sudden
But now you have just contributed to what you are finding tedious.
We have won and you come on a thread about him to basically say you aren't impressed by him, your post is certainly more anti-Bowyer than pro Bowyer..
Anyway he clearly hasn't lost it, never did. In the famous words of Gattuso ''Sometimes maybe good, sometimes maybe shit''. That is football unless you are an elite club.
Just how a number of our fans believe Bowyer over thinks his team, I think we overthink bad results
Where I’ll judge Bowyer is over a string of games or a period of time. Over the past year it hasn’t been good enough - and yes, I do put some of the Championship relegation on him.
This is insane. Even Pep Guardiola would’ve struggled to keep us up.
That's true and I don't think anyone has blamed Bowyer for us being relegated have they? It would have been a remarkable achievement, all things considered, if we had stayed up.
However a lot of the things Bowyer has received criticism for this season were evident in the second half of last season, and some actually longer than that. Publicly critising players, being, at times, ultra defensive when trying to see out a game, playing players out of position to name a few.
Most of things were excusable or understandable if not correct.
My biggest single criticism of Bowyer this season is he is still fighting last seasons battles. Constant rotation and showing the opposition to much respect, to name two points.
In short to blame him for relegation would be idiotic, to claim he couldn't have done certain things, better, post January is just as bad.
The whole “where are the Bowyer in/out crowd” type comments quite common on social media after a game are becoming tedious.
I’m not “Bowyer out”, but I’m more along the lines of “I really want it to work under Bowyer, but can’t see it happening long term”. Thankfully it’s not my decision as to whether he stays, goes, who replaces him etc.
What I will say though is that a 2-0 win away at Rochdale doesn’t change my view on Bowyer for better or worse, because quite frankly, that’s a result we should be getting.
Where I’ll judge Bowyer is over a string of games or a period of time. Over the past year it hasn’t been good enough - and yes, I do put some of the Championship relegation on him.
If he gets to the end of the season, then so be it, it’s not as if the club is going to fold if we stay in League One for another season and we don’t go up.
But if we take the rose-tinted glasses off and stop talking about loyalty and the excuses - he hasn’t been good enough for about 12 months. Again - a win away at Rochdale doesn’t change that all of a sudden
The whole “where are the Bowyer in/out crowd” type comments quite common on social media after a game are becoming tedious.
I’m not “Bowyer out”, but I’m more along the lines of “I really want it to work under Bowyer, but can’t see it happening long term”. Thankfully it’s not my decision as to whether he stays, goes, who replaces him etc.
What I will say though is that a 2-0 win away at Rochdale doesn’t change my view on Bowyer for better or worse, because quite frankly, that’s a result we should be getting.
Where I’ll judge Bowyer is over a string of games or a period of time. Over the past year it hasn’t been good enough - and yes, I do put some of the Championship relegation on him.
If he gets to the end of the season, then so be it, it’s not as if the club is going to fold if we stay in League One for another season and we don’t go up.
But if we take the rose-tinted glasses off and stop talking about loyalty and the excuses - he hasn’t been good enough for about 12 months. Again - a win away at Rochdale doesn’t change that all of a sudden
agree entirely.
Sorry, I'm going to argue the toss, if you count the 8 months under an embargo, with a limited squad with players walking out on their contracts, as a stick to beat him, then you are stretching.
Teams will perform in a lumpy way, the first couple of months of this season we were pretty good looking at the table, the last few months have been poor, but you're watching a league 1 team with a relatively inexperienced coaching team.
If we are in the eyes of some underperforming after a year of the club not being a complete basketcase, then pile in
It wasn’t Roland or Southall who were playing players out of position when there was no need to.
Nor was it them whose tactics have seen us drop points time after time from winning positions inviting pressure from the opposition.
It wasn’t even them who have been calling out players in public when there was no need.
You can hide behind the crap ownership all you like but these were the managers decisions.
Where I’ll judge Bowyer is over a string of games or a period of time. Over the past year it hasn’t been good enough - and yes, I do put some of the Championship relegation on him.
This is insane. Even Pep Guardiola would’ve struggled to keep us up.
“Insane”...really? Ok.
In my post I stated that I put some of the responsibility for the relegation on Bowyer. Not all of it. He was dealt a tough hand.
But it was still his decision making which lead to us throwing away points in injury time on many occasions.
Would Pep Guardiola have gone into a must win final game of the season against the champions elect and started an inexperienced Josh Davison up front, instead of Chuks Aneke?
When we were relegated, I did not state that I wanted Bowyer out. He deserved the chance to have a clean slate and start afresh. But now that the same excuses cannot be put in his favour for our poor performances, it does shine bit of a light on how Bowyer’s decision making likely did have an impact on our Championship relegation.
The whole “where are the Bowyer in/out crowd” type comments quite common on social media after a game are becoming tedious.
I’m not “Bowyer out”, but I’m more along the lines of “I really want it to work under Bowyer, but can’t see it happening long term”. Thankfully it’s not my decision as to whether he stays, goes, who replaces him etc.
What I will say though is that a 2-0 win away at Rochdale doesn’t change my view on Bowyer for better or worse, because quite frankly, that’s a result we should be getting.
Where I’ll judge Bowyer is over a string of games or a period of time. Over the past year it hasn’t been good enough - and yes, I do put some of the Championship relegation on him.
If he gets to the end of the season, then so be it, it’s not as if the club is going to fold if we stay in League One for another season and we don’t go up.
But if we take the rose-tinted glasses off and stop talking about loyalty and the excuses - he hasn’t been good enough for about 12 months. Again - a win away at Rochdale doesn’t change that all of a sudden
But now you have just contributed to what you are finding tedious.
We have won and you come on a thread about him to basically say you aren't impressed by him, your post is certainly more anti-Bowyer than pro Bowyer..
Anyway he clearly hasn't lost it, never did. In the famous words of Gattuso ''Sometimes maybe good, sometimes maybe shit''. That is football unless you are an elite club.
Just how a number of our fans believe Bowyer over thinks his team, I think we overthink bad results
No. What I find tedious are the ‘black and white’ perceptions and finger points that are made by a section of our fans when someone is trying to make a reasoned point about where things are going wrong.
To express frustration with the manager’s continued mistakes and poor results does not automatically put someone in the ‘Bowyer out’ camp.
Yes, my post was more ‘anti-Bowyer’ than pro-Bowyer as you put it. That is allowed isn’t it? I haven’t called him useless or abused the bloke. But this is a discussion forum about Charlton - and I’ve backed up my opinion as to why I think he has underperformed over the past 12 months.
You’re more than entitled to disagree, and I won’t be shouting “where are the Bowyer in crowd?!?!” or anything to that effect the next time we lose a match.
3 really good posts recently on this thread @cafctom. Afraid some people will forgive Bowyer for anything, seemingly out of blind loyalty.
He's made massive tactical and selection errors over the last 12 months and that's before we debate his outrageous public condemnation of certain players, whilst others, most notably Gunter, get free passes.
The reality is we only went down in added time of the last game of the season. Wouldn't have happened for example if he hadn't made those subs at Birmingham. Overall, he is in credit but after the first lockdown he is massively culpable imo.
Where I’ll judge Bowyer is over a string of games or a period of time. Over the past year it hasn’t been good enough - and yes, I do put some of the Championship relegation on him.
This is insane. Even Pep Guardiola would’ve struggled to keep us up.
“Insane”...really? Ok.
In my post I stated that I put some of the responsibility for the relegation on Bowyer. Not all of it. He was dealt a tough hand.
But it was still his decision making which lead to us throwing away points in injury time on many occasions.
Would Pep Guardiola have gone into a must win final game of the season against the champions elect and started an inexperienced Josh Davison up front, instead of Chuks Aneke?
When we were relegated, I did not state that I wanted Bowyer out. He deserved the chance to have a clean slate and start afresh. But now that the same excuses cannot be put in his favour for our poor performances, it does shine bit of a light on how Bowyer’s decision making likely did have an impact on our Championship relegation.
With Taylor, Leko and Gallagher all gone we were relying on Bonne for goals. Due to ESI the January window weakened the squad rather than improved it.
The fact that our choice of strikers were between a young player from non-league in Davison and Aneke who struggled with his fitness and injuries all season shines a light on how poor our attacking options were at the time. Then we had Hemed who still isn’t scoring while playing in the Australian league.
Bowyer’s decision making kept us out of the relegation zone all season and we only went down due to Brentford (a team going for automatic promotion) conceding to Barnsley in injury time. With our budget and the ownership situation we should have been relegated long before then.
Where I’ll judge Bowyer is over a string of games or a period of time. Over the past year it hasn’t been good enough - and yes, I do put some of the Championship relegation on him.
This is insane. Even Pep Guardiola would’ve struggled to keep us up.
“Insane”...really? Ok.
In my post I stated that I put some of the responsibility for the relegation on Bowyer. Not all of it. He was dealt a tough hand.
But it was still his decision making which lead to us throwing away points in injury time on many occasions.
Would Pep Guardiola have gone into a must win final game of the season against the champions elect and started an inexperienced Josh Davison up front, instead of Chuks Aneke?
When we were relegated, I did not state that I wanted Bowyer out. He deserved the chance to have a clean slate and start afresh. But now that the same excuses cannot be put in his favour for our poor performances, it does shine bit of a light on how Bowyer’s decision making likely did have an impact on our Championship relegation.
I don't think we would have got anything from Leeds however we played or set up. There were a few games where we went ultra negative which cost us points.
Where I’ll judge Bowyer is over a string of games or a period of time. Over the past year it hasn’t been good enough - and yes, I do put some of the Championship relegation on him.
This is insane. Even Pep Guardiola would’ve struggled to keep us up.
“Insane”...really? Ok.
In my post I stated that I put some of the responsibility for the relegation on Bowyer. Not all of it. He was dealt a tough hand.
But it was still his decision making which lead to us throwing away points in injury time on many occasions.
Would Pep Guardiola have gone into a must win final game of the season against the champions elect and started an inexperienced Josh Davison up front, instead of Chuks Aneke?
When we were relegated, I did not state that I wanted Bowyer out. He deserved the chance to have a clean slate and start afresh. But now that the same excuses cannot be put in his favour for our poor performances, it does shine bit of a light on how Bowyer’s decision making likely did have an impact on our Championship relegation.
With Taylor, Leko and Gallagher all gone we were relying on Bonne for goals. Due to ESI the January window weakened the squad rather than improved it.
The fact that our choice of strikers were between a young player from non-league in Davison and Aneke who struggled with his fitness and injuries all season shines a light on how poor our attacking options were at the time. Then we had Hemed who still isn’t scoring while playing in the Australian league.
Bowyer’s decision making kept us out of the relegation zone all season and we only went down due to Brentford (a team going for automatic promotion) conceding to Barnsley in injury time. With our budget and the ownership situation we should have been relegated long before then.
All valid points, and that is why I said that I don't lay the blame of relegation entirely at his door. He did incredibly well in the circumstances and deserved to stay on and start afresh.
However, I do suspect that a number of those results where we threw away leads or draws could have been avoided with decisions from the manager. Those same mistakes have filtered into this season even though we do have a better squad / weaker opposition. The two main problems in particular - the extreme tinkering of the starting line-up, as well as the tactical decisions leading to late goals/poor results. Then you add on top of that the manager's management of certain players, which are seemingly driven by temperament (Jonny Williams at Shrewsbury for example).
The usual suspects will just "lol" any post that dares to debate Bowyer's ability, but its noticeable how they're unable to give genuine justification as to why quite a few of the mistakes have happened this season don't sit with Bowyer. So, my question to those people would be - would you be giving the same leeway and blind loyalty to another manager if it were not Lee Bowyer? I highly doubt it.
If Bowyer was sacked tomorrow, I'd still see him as a Charlton legend for what was achieved in the 2018/19 season, Wembley etc. But to dine on that forever and just stick fingers in ears whenever someone tries to call out the current situation for what it is - that is just blind loyalty. I really hope he gets us going on a run from here on in, but I currently am yet to see evidence that he is the long-term leader for us. Hopefully I'll be proved wrong.
Where I’ll judge Bowyer is over a string of games or a period of time. Over the past year it hasn’t been good enough - and yes, I do put some of the Championship relegation on him.
This is insane. Even Pep Guardiola would’ve struggled to keep us up.
“Insane”...really? Ok.
In my post I stated that I put some of the responsibility for the relegation on Bowyer. Not all of it. He was dealt a tough hand.
But it was still his decision making which lead to us throwing away points in injury time on many occasions.
Would Pep Guardiola have gone into a must win final game of the season against the champions elect and started an inexperienced Josh Davison up front, instead of Chuks Aneke?
When we were relegated, I did not state that I wanted Bowyer out. He deserved the chance to have a clean slate and start afresh. But now that the same excuses cannot be put in his favour for our poor performances, it does shine bit of a light on how Bowyer’s decision making likely did have an impact on our Championship relegation.
With Taylor, Leko and Gallagher all gone we were relying on Bonne for goals. Due to ESI the January window weakened the squad rather than improved it.
The fact that our choice of strikers were between a young player from non-league in Davison and Aneke who struggled with his fitness and injuries all season shines a light on how poor our attacking options were at the time. Then we had Hemed who still isn’t scoring while playing in the Australian league.
Bowyer’s decision making kept us out of the relegation zone all season and we only went down due to Brentford (a team going for automatic promotion) conceding to Barnsley in injury time. With our budget and the ownership situation we should have been relegated long before then.
Overall , We massively over achieved last year and that was due to bowyer. We should have been safe going into the last game and we shouldn’t have been relying on Brentford to do is a favour. We had about 8 bites of the cherry to hold onto 3 or pick up a point, which would have kept us up, but bowyers tactics prevented that. That is down to bowyer.
after relegation, bowyer was still in credit with me but that credit has now gone.
if i was Tommy, I would have made the change. I’m not anti bowyer but he needs to win me over all over again. He has done it before and I hope he can do it again.
He started digging the foundations last week and I hope he can turn this around.
I’m hoping that the cap going will ease the pressure. He might not have to worry about signing one of aneke or stockley or who he needs to move on and now focus on the playing side (not sure if I’ve worded the last bit very well).
Personally we need to have one or two formations not 6 or 7 we try to move between.
What 6 or 7 have we played with this season?
The 6 or 7 reported on BBC Sport and Transfermarkt.
4-1-4-1 (4-5-1 on BBC) Used 2 times 4-4-2 F Used 7 times 4-4-2 D Used 5 times 3-5-2 F Used 1 time 4-3-3 Used 6 times 4-3-1-2 (Could argue this was a 4-4-2 diamond) Used 5 times 3-4-3 Used 1 time
Not in the Bowyer out camp or he must stay. Rochdale was what we need to reproduce week in week out from now on. We do that and everybody’s happy. We don’t and just like every other manager who doesn’t meet expectations he’ll be gone.
Where I’ll judge Bowyer is over a string of games or a period of time. Over the past year it hasn’t been good enough - and yes, I do put some of the Championship relegation on him.
This is insane. Even Pep Guardiola would’ve struggled to keep us up.
“Insane”...really? Ok.
In my post I stated that I put some of the responsibility for the relegation on Bowyer. Not all of it. He was dealt a tough hand.
But it was still his decision making which lead to us throwing away points in injury time on many occasions.
Would Pep Guardiola have gone into a must win final game of the season against the champions elect and started an inexperienced Josh Davison up front, instead of Chuks Aneke?
When we were relegated, I did not state that I wanted Bowyer out. He deserved the chance to have a clean slate and start afresh. But now that the same excuses cannot be put in his favour for our poor performances, it does shine bit of a light on how Bowyer’s decision making likely did have an impact on our Championship relegation.
I don't think we would have got anything from Leeds however we played or set up. There were a few games where we went ultra negative which cost us points.
I agree - But the point being that going into a must win game against a top side, why would you still be tinkering with a line up to put in a largely inexperienced player when you have your best available player on the bench? It doesn’t add up.
Yes, but against Leeds it is natural to try to find a way. I think that in itself is a quality. Always look for a way. When you play against a team much better than you it is right to be negative. I have more of a problem when we are negative and we don't need to be.
I thought we were positive against Rochdale, but it is just one game. I need to see that approach a few more times, starting on Saturday. Not having a midweek match should allow Stockley and Aneke to start again. I think we need to see this and get the ball forwards to them quicker with less passes. like we did against Rochdale. I think our passing game has been painful to watch at times this season.
Even though I can’t stand that big geezer Steve Evans he’s a very good manager for this division and will have studied us in great detail for Saturday game.
Need to ensure we don’t give away a silly goal on Saturday. Hoping Bowyer will be addressing that to the players throughout the week. as if we go 1-0 down the time wasting tactics will be out in full force.
Even though I can’t stand that big geezer Steve Evans he’s a very good manager for this division and will have studied us in great detail for Saturday game.
Need to ensure we don’t give away a silly goal on Saturday. Hoping Bowyer will be addressing that to the players throughout the week. as if we go 1-0 down the time wasting tactics will be out in full force.
How many teams has he got promoted from it?
He's a very average manager at this level, decent the level beneath though.
Even though I can’t stand that big geezer Steve Evans he’s a very good manager for this division and will have studied us in great detail for Saturday game.
Need to ensure we don’t give away a silly goal on Saturday. Hoping Bowyer will be addressing that to the players throughout the week. as if we go 1-0 down the time wasting tactics will be out in full force.
How many teams has he got promoted from it?
He's a very average manager at this level, decent the level beneath though.
Bit harsh, he didn’t get a full season at Peterborough and now at Gillingham who don’t have the resources to get top players for this league.
Even though I can’t stand that big geezer Steve Evans he’s a very good manager for this division and will have studied us in great detail for Saturday game.
Need to ensure we don’t give away a silly goal on Saturday. Hoping Bowyer will be addressing that to the players throughout the week. as if we go 1-0 down the time wasting tactics will be out in full force.
How many teams has he got promoted from it?
He's a very average manager at this level, decent the level beneath though.
Bit harsh, he didn’t get a full season at Peterborough and now at Gillingham who don’t have the resources to get top players for this league.
Even though I can’t stand that big geezer Steve Evans he’s a very good manager for this division and will have studied us in great detail for Saturday game.
Need to ensure we don’t give away a silly goal on Saturday. Hoping Bowyer will be addressing that to the players throughout the week. as if we go 1-0 down the time wasting tactics will be out in full force.
How many teams has he got promoted from it?
He's a very average manager at this level, decent the level beneath though.
Bit harsh, he didn’t get a full season at Peterborough and now at Gillingham who don’t have the resources to get top players for this league.
A very good manager doesn't need the best players
So how do you rate Klopp, Guardiola, Wenger(when arsenal were good), Chris Powell when he had the backing to sign the best players in league one, Alex Ferguson. I could go on on for a while here.
yes there will be the odd exception like leicester but you get the general idea.
Where I’ll judge Bowyer is over a string of games or a period of time. Over the past year it hasn’t been good enough - and yes, I do put some of the Championship relegation on him.
This is insane. Even Pep Guardiola would’ve struggled to keep us up.
“Insane”...really? Ok.
In my post I stated that I put some of the responsibility for the relegation on Bowyer. Not all of it. He was dealt a tough hand.
But it was still his decision making which lead to us throwing away points in injury time on many occasions.
Would Pep Guardiola have gone into a must win final game of the season against the champions elect and started an inexperienced Josh Davison up front, instead of Chuks Aneke?
When we were relegated, I did not state that I wanted Bowyer out. He deserved the chance to have a clean slate and start afresh. But now that the same excuses cannot be put in his favour for our poor performances, it does shine bit of a light on how Bowyer’s decision making likely did have an impact on our Championship relegation.
I don't think we would have got anything from Leeds however we played or set up. There were a few games where we went ultra negative which cost us points.
I agree - But the point being that going into a must win game against a top side, why would you still be tinkering with a line up to put in a largely inexperienced player when you have your best available player on the bench? It doesn’t add up.
A bit of revisionism going on here IMO. There were people on this forum calling him 1 goal Chuks up until September even. Davison had played well in cameo appearances and scored as many goals as Chuks had at that point.
I’ve seen Birmingham away singled out in the past as an example “Bowyer went negative and cost us points”.
Is that the same Birmingham game where they were all over us, missed (Dillon saved) a penalty to go 1-0 up and we take the lead against the run of play?
We didn’t go negative after scoring the goal - the home team had us on the back foot for the entire 90 minutes. Not to mention, McGeady hits the post when presented with the chance to make it 0-2.
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we are used to playing in front of fuck all Charlton fans for away fixtures
where as at home we are used to there being plenty of Charlton fans there
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We have won and you come on a thread about him to basically say you aren't impressed by him, your post is certainly more anti-Bowyer than pro Bowyer..
Anyway he clearly hasn't lost it, never did. In the famous words of Gattuso ''Sometimes maybe good, sometimes maybe shit''. That is football unless you are an elite club.
Just how a number of our fans believe Bowyer over thinks his team, I think we overthink bad results
However a lot of the things Bowyer has received criticism for this season were evident in the second half of last season, and some actually longer than that. Publicly critising players, being, at times, ultra defensive when trying to see out a game, playing players out of position to name a few.
Most of things were excusable or understandable if not correct.
My biggest single criticism of Bowyer this season is he is still fighting last seasons battles. Constant rotation and showing the opposition to much respect, to name two points.
In short to blame him for relegation would be idiotic, to claim he couldn't have done certain things, better, post January is just as bad.
Nor was it them whose tactics have seen us drop points time after time from winning positions inviting pressure from the opposition.
It wasn’t even them who have been calling out players in public when there was no need.
You can hide behind the crap ownership all you like but these were the managers decisions.
In my post I stated that I put some of the responsibility for the relegation on Bowyer. Not all of it. He was dealt a tough hand.
But it was still his decision making which lead to us throwing away points in injury time on many occasions.
Would Pep Guardiola have gone into a must win final game of the season against the champions elect and started an inexperienced Josh Davison up front, instead of Chuks Aneke?
When we were relegated, I did not state that I wanted Bowyer out. He deserved the chance to have a clean slate and start afresh. But now that the same excuses cannot be put in his favour for our poor performances, it does shine bit of a light on how Bowyer’s decision making likely did have an impact on our Championship relegation.
To express frustration with the manager’s continued mistakes and poor results does not automatically put someone in the ‘Bowyer out’ camp.
He's made massive tactical and selection errors over the last 12 months and that's before we debate his outrageous public condemnation of certain players, whilst others, most notably Gunter, get free passes.
The reality is we only went down in added time of the last game of the season. Wouldn't have happened for example if he hadn't made those subs at Birmingham. Overall, he is in credit but after the first lockdown he is massively culpable imo.
Bowyer’s decision making kept us out of the relegation zone all season and we only went down due to Brentford (a team going for automatic promotion) conceding to Barnsley in injury time. With our budget and the ownership situation we should have been relegated long before then.
Two years, shy of one week.
Just saying.
However, I do suspect that a number of those results where we threw away leads or draws could have been avoided with decisions from the manager. Those same mistakes have filtered into this season even though we do have a better squad / weaker opposition. The two main problems in particular - the extreme tinkering of the starting line-up, as well as the tactical decisions leading to late goals/poor results. Then you add on top of that the manager's management of certain players, which are seemingly driven by temperament (Jonny Williams at Shrewsbury for example).
The usual suspects will just "lol" any post that dares to debate Bowyer's ability, but its noticeable how they're unable to give genuine justification as to why quite a few of the mistakes have happened this season don't sit with Bowyer. So, my question to those people would be - would you be giving the same leeway and blind loyalty to another manager if it were not Lee Bowyer? I highly doubt it.
If Bowyer was sacked tomorrow, I'd still see him as a Charlton legend for what was achieved in the 2018/19 season, Wembley etc. But to dine on that forever and just stick fingers in ears whenever someone tries to call out the current situation for what it is - that is just blind loyalty. I really hope he gets us going on a run from here on in, but I currently am yet to see evidence that he is the long-term leader for us. Hopefully I'll be proved wrong.
It's got to be relevent experience and enthusiasm combined.
If and when you hit the 60s 70s bracket...you probably hit a personal decline and or the games moved on from what you brought to the table.
Alladyce is on that road
after relegation, bowyer was still in credit with me but that credit has now gone.
if i was Tommy, I would have made the change. I’m not anti bowyer but he needs to win me over all over again. He has done it before and I hope he can do it again.
He started digging the foundations last week and I hope he can turn this around.
4-1-4-1 (4-5-1 on BBC) Used 2 times
4-4-2 F Used 7 times
4-4-2 D Used 5 times
3-5-2 F Used 1 time
4-3-3 Used 6 times
4-3-1-2 (Could argue this was a 4-4-2 diamond) Used 5 times
3-4-3 Used 1 time
I thought we were positive against Rochdale, but it is just one game. I need to see that approach a few more times, starting on Saturday. Not having a midweek match should allow Stockley and Aneke to start again. I think we need to see this and get the ball forwards to them quicker with less passes. like we did against Rochdale. I think our passing game has been painful to watch at times this season.
He's a very average manager at this level, decent the level beneath though.
yes there will be the odd exception like leicester but you get the general idea.
Is that the same Birmingham game where they were all over us, missed (Dillon saved) a penalty to go 1-0 up and we take the lead against the run of play?