Whatever happens between now and the end of the season, I hope someone is planning hard for the rebuild in the summer. Could easily see up to 15 players leave.
Even if we roll the dice and bring a new manager we are only going to be fighting to sneak 6th and try to beat stronger and better teams in the play offs.
I would give Bowyer to the rest of the season, unless we can get Paul Cook.
Asking for a mate. Has Lee Bowyer done any of the coaching badges and after 2012 when he stopped playing what was he been doing up to Carl Robinson actually employing him as coach?
Im feeling shades of the last few months of Karl Robinsons reign recently.
I still think that LB has the rest of this season and the beginning of next, unless our league position absolutely nosedives from now. If we get to the end of Sept next season and our form is still poor, then I think TS will pull the trigger. No excuses if he's had a full summer to get his squad polished.
TS won't want to be in L1 come Aug 2022 that's for sure.
If we somehow sneak into the playoffs this season I can't see us winning them, we won them in 2019 because we were by far the form team going into them.
We stumbled into them in 2017/18 and were soundly beaten in the semi.
I think the defence is our issue and there's not an alternative manager that would get more out of them.
If we get Inniss and Famewo back then the side will look completely different but time is running out in terms of this season.
Think he deserves the season and especially when he hasn't had his first choice centre backs for over half of it.
Tired of the flip flopping depending on whether we win or lose.
Are you seriously saying that no other manager could have done a better job?
No doubt some would get more from this squad - plenty would do similar or worse too, think Slade, Parkinson, Robinson and personally I’d include Powell in that group as well.
I’d want a big rebuild if we somehow went up with this squad, it would seriously struggle in the Championship.
I find it difficult to blame Bowyer and Gallen for that when they had to sign over 10 players in two weeks with the salary cap in place. I think it’s safe to assume very few promotion sides have been built in similar circumstances.
I’m not fully Bowyer in or out at the moment. For me if we change manager it’s probably not going to resolve the main issues, I see it more likely to end in the way Powell’s first season did and we’d come to accept this squad isn’t quite up to it. Too many players who are good on paper and yet at the same time many of them we’d happily replace in the summer.
It’ll be interesting to see what TS does if anything over the next few months. A few decisions could be the difference between his plan and ambition coming together or several years of us sloshing around in this league.
I think Bowyer lost it for a spell and has improved of late, but his poor tactical and man management from earlier in the season have taken confidence away from the team and given us a soft underbelly which we haven't fully recovered from.
I would have changed him quite a few games ago. A new manager can give a bounce and God knows we need a bounce right now. But I think we have him for the rest of the season.
Not being funny, I genuinely suspect he meant to say underachieving. It wouldn't make sense to say overachieving.
Ah, that could explain it. So when Sandgaard said to him in January “do you need another centre back” and he said “no” he actually misspoke because he meant to say “of course, you watch the streams, our defence is an embarrassment to modern football”?
I think Bowyer lost it for a spell and has improved of late, but his poor tactical and man management from earlier in the season have taken confidence away from the team and given us a soft underbelly which we haven't fully recovered from.
I would have changed him quite a few games ago. A new manager can give a bounce and God knows we need a bounce right now. But I think we have him for the rest of the season.
Improved of late? Too many wet their pants over a win at Rochdale. Back to earth today. Nowhere near good enough.
Another defeat for Liverpool today. 2 wins from the last 7 games, not won at home since mid-December.
Van Dijk's injured, blah, blah, blah, Gomez is injured, blah, blah, blah. As if that's a reasonable excuse! Klopp's clearly lost it, bloke hasn't got a clue. Can't believe they've not sacked him yet and brought in Paul Jones or Danny Cowley.
Not being funny, I genuinely suspect he meant to say underachieving. It wouldn't make sense to say overachieving.
Ah, that could explain it. So when Sandgaard said to him in January “do you need another centre back” and he said “no” he actually misspoke because he meant to say “of course, you watch the streams, our defence is an embarrassment to modern football”?
Look forward to the summer and a new spirit of positivity from a leadership team. This season has gone.
If that’s true, in mid Feb, it’s an absolute disgrace.
Yup.
Accrington are going to overtake us by scoring more than two points in their 4 games in hand.
Every team above us have more points and games in hand until you get to Hull in 2nd.
And LB saying things like "it was the red card".
We should have been winning at that point but do you think the red card didn’t have a bearing on the game? I’m leaning towards bowyer out but if we had chucks for the last 20 minutes, I think we would have won today.
Another defeat for Liverpool today. 2 wins from the last 7 games, not won at home since mid-December.
Van Dijk's injured, blah, blah, blah, Gomez is injured, blah, blah, blah. As if that's a reasonable excuse! Klopp's clearly lost it, bloke hasn't got a clue. Can't believe they've not sacked him yet and brought in Paul Jones or Danny Cowley.
Another defeat for Liverpool today. 2 wins from the last 7 games, not won at home since mid-December.
Van Dijk's injured, blah, blah, blah, Gomez is injured, blah, blah, blah. As if that's a reasonable excuse! Klopp's clearly lost it, bloke hasn't got a clue. Can't believe they've not sacked him yet and brought in Paul Jones or Danny Cowley.
Good comparison if it wasn't for Liverpools succes over the last few years
Another defeat for Liverpool today. 2 wins from the last 7 games, not won at home since mid-December.
Van Dijk's injured, blah, blah, blah, Gomez is injured, blah, blah, blah. As if that's a reasonable excuse! Klopp's clearly lost it, bloke hasn't got a clue. Can't believe they've not sacked him yet and brought in Paul Jones or Danny Cowley.
Liverpool won the Premier League last season; we got relegated from the Championship.
Not being funny, I genuinely suspect he meant to say underachieving. It wouldn't make sense to say overachieving.
Ah, that could explain it. So when Sandgaard said to him in January “do you need another centre back” and he said “no” he actually misspoke because he meant to say “of course, you watch the streams, our defence is an embarrassment to modern football”?
Another defeat for Liverpool today. 2 wins from the last 7 games, not won at home since mid-December.
Van Dijk's injured, blah, blah, blah, Gomez is injured, blah, blah, blah. As if that's a reasonable excuse! Klopp's clearly lost it, bloke hasn't got a clue. Can't believe they've not sacked him yet and brought in Paul Jones or Danny Cowley.
They won the title last year.
We were relegated.
Their team is exactly the same as last year bar a little bit of improvement
Ours is completely brand new, bar a couple of players left...
I think the defence is our issue and there's not an alternative manager that would get more out of them.
If we get Inniss and Famewo back then the side will look completely different but time is running out in terms of this season.
Think he deserves the season and especially when he hasn't had his first choice centre backs for over half of it.
Tired of the flip flopping depending on whether we win or lose.
Are you seriously saying that no other manager could have done a better job?
No doubt some would get more from this squad - plenty would do similar or worse too, think Slade, Parkinson, Robinson and personally I’d include Powell in that group as well.
I’d want a big rebuild if we somehow went up with this squad, it would seriously struggle in the Championship.
I find it difficult to blame Bowyer and Gallen for that when they had to sign over 10 players in two weeks with the salary cap in place. I think it’s safe to assume very few promotion sides have been built in similar circumstances.
I’m not fully Bowyer in or out at the moment. For me if we change manager it’s probably not going to resolve the main issues, I see it more likely to end in the way Powell’s first season did and we’d come to accept this squad isn’t quite up to it. Too many players who are good on paper and yet at the same time many of them we’d happily replace in the summer.
It’ll be interesting to see what TS does if anything over the next few months. A few decisions could be the difference between his plan and ambition coming together or several years of us sloshing around in this league.
Powell inherited a hopeless squad from Parky and couldn't do anything with them - Parky was pretty unfairly sacked in my view given the dross he was working with then.
Bowyer has a much better squad than Parky had and we're basically showing relegation form over the last 18 games - a bit more than a blip. He's underachieving and if he continues like this he fully deserves the sack. The patience of TS will run out...
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I would give Bowyer to the rest of the season, unless we can get Paul Cook.
Fishing.
I still think that LB has the rest of this season and the beginning of next, unless our league position absolutely nosedives from now. If we get to the end of Sept next season and our form is still poor, then I think TS will pull the trigger. No excuses if he's had a full summer to get his squad polished.
TS won't want to be in L1 come Aug 2022 that's for sure.
Jesus fucking Christ!!!!!!!
Just, wow.
We stumbled into them in 2017/18 and were soundly beaten in the semi.
I’d want a big rebuild if we somehow went up with this squad, it would seriously struggle in the Championship.
I find it difficult to blame Bowyer and Gallen for that when they had to sign over 10 players in two weeks with the salary cap in place. I think it’s safe to assume very few promotion sides have been built in similar circumstances.
I’m not fully Bowyer in or out at the moment. For me if we change manager it’s probably
not going to resolve the main issues, I see it more likely to end in the way Powell’s first season did and we’d come to accept this squad isn’t quite up to it. Too many players who are good on paper and yet at the same time many of them we’d happily replace in the summer.
It’ll be interesting to see what TS does if
anything over the next few months. A few decisions could be the difference between his plan and ambition coming together or several years of us sloshing around in this league.
I would have changed him quite a few games ago. A new manager can give a bounce and God knows we need a bounce right now. But I think we have him for the rest of the season.
Van Dijk's injured, blah, blah, blah, Gomez is injured, blah, blah, blah. As if that's a reasonable excuse! Klopp's clearly lost it, bloke hasn't got a clue. Can't believe they've not sacked him yet and brought in Paul Jones or Danny Cowley.
We were relegated.
Ours is completely brand new, bar a couple of players left...
Bowyer has a much better squad than Parky had and we're basically showing relegation form over the last 18 games - a bit more than a blip. He's underachieving and if he continues like this he fully deserves the sack. The patience of TS will run out...