That is true and my caveat is that they need to be confident that they are not. It is something none of us can comment on with knowledge. Of course, if say JJ was appointed, it would not necessarily be a long term appointment, he would have to do something great like Bowyer did to make it so.
I think if you accept that we have a decent squad, a short term solution that is close to the players would be a good one. It would untie a lot of the knots and maybe change the mood music enough for a run. If JJ is not the man (not for any of us to say) maybe Pearce is. Or Pearce and Gunter or Prately.
I have to be honest, unlike many who seem to have given up, I am still looking at achieving something this season. That is the priority for me.
A question for those who are specifically looking for someone without a Charlton connection - why exactly do you think that is better?
I appreciate that a decision shouldn’t be made on sentiment, but if you have two or more equally skilled candidates and one of them has a Charlton connection, then surely that gives them a bit of an edge from the fanbase’s perspective?
The promotions under Powell and Bowyer were heavily influenced by the all round good feeling at the club at those times. Even more impressive considering it was the first managerial job for both of them.
I’d love to see Johnnie Jackson get a chance.
Jason Euell must know a thing or two.
People that have worked behind the scenes for long periods will always be ahead. It is the apprenticeship route. Will enable him to be objective about stuff and see things from the inside.
Probably has all the required relevant coaching badges.
If anyone's going to get a chance then we could potentially give it to the euell.
I would rather Jason than JJ as he has been doing a great job with the youngsters in a management role and been successful.
Turn back the clock 5/6 months and none of us knew whether we would still have a club We live in crazy times with Covid and no footi crowds but we still have a club and for that we have so much to thank TS for. I have never been one for sacking a manager on a whim least of all an ex player who became a manager and took us to promotion. Footi fans are a fickle bunch but I like to think overall we are a very loyal fan base. For me though TS has a descion to make and one that msy well shape our future. Reluctantly I feel it's time to part with LB and then on that basis TS has a real decision as to who to replace him with. TS has a vision and so far is backing it with hard cash - as I say a Watershed moment for him
I agree with this with the exception that I believe Bow has until the end of the season regardless. Not to win us a playoff place but to show something that will encourage TS to allow him to spend his money in the summer. We do seem a way off that happening though.
If we lose at home to Burton on Tuesday (who are bottom and have been for as long as I can recall) do you still think Bow is safe regardless?
It would probably be sensible if we went down this route for Sandgaard to let Roddy put something together with his knowledge of potential candidates already within the club.
A question for those who are specifically looking for someone without a Charlton connection - why exactly do you think that is better?
I appreciate that a decision shouldn’t be made on sentiment, but if you have two or more equally skilled candidates and one of them has a Charlton connection, then surely that gives them a bit of an edge from the fanbase’s perspective?
The promotions under Powell and Bowyer were heavily influenced by the all round good feeling at the club at those times. Even more impressive considering it was the first managerial job for both of them.
I’d love to see Johnnie Jackson get a chance.
Jason Euell must know a thing or two.
People that have worked behind the scenes for long periods will always be ahead. It is the apprenticeship route. Will enable him to be objective about stuff and see things from the inside.
Probably has all the required relevant coaching badges.
If anyone's going to get a chance then we could potentially give it to the euell.
I would rather Jason than JJ as he has been doing a great job with the youngsters in a management role and been successful.
Keep it between me and you, but I totally agree with you!!
Euall ticks a lot of boxes plus I feel it will, ultimately, Roddy making the call.
It would be ironic though if the man that inflicted U23s football on the country scraps our U23 team as his first meaningful action in his new job.
Euall will either be our manager next season or he won't be at the club.
Why do we have an obsession sometimes with managers with a Charlton connection. There isn’t a law that says a manager must have an existing long term association with a club. If anything it leads to a loss of objectivity around performance.
I want the best manager we can get with the best managerial skills. Couldn’t care less if he grew up with pictures of Mike Small and Tom Hovi on his bedroom wall.
This thread has become 'should Bowyer stay or go' , personally I think he should have gone weeks ago, but In answer to that question on a wider scale:
Look back over comments made on this thread a week ago after we lost to Gillingham, he still had quite a bit of support.
Now look at comments made after yesterday's game. A lot more people are saying he should go, including some of those who were backing him last week.
I feel that trend will continue after every passing game & he has reached the point of no return. That for me, is why he has to go NOW.
He is rapidly losing the support of the fans & will continue to do so in my opinion..
To answers @MuttleyCAFC point about vocal demonstrations against him.
I know that (with you his able wing man) his over domination of this thread (27 posts on this thread since last night alone!) is driving pretty much everyone mad, but I don’t think we’re quite at the vocal demonstrations stage yet.
Polite Letter to VOTV or Mercury, or maybe a Sunday night call to Clive R on RTM about it, but no anti-Muttley car park stuff for now.
Why do we have an obsession sometimes with managers with a Charlton connection. There isn’t a law that says a manager must have an existing long term association with a club. If anything it leads to a loss of objectivity around performance.
I want the best manager we can get with the best managerial skills. Couldn’t care less if he grew up with pictures of Mike Small and Tom Hovi on his bedroom wall.
I agree it should not be we always should have a manager with a Charlton connection, but not since Andy Nelson have we had a manager who achieved some success over a full season with us who did not have a connection (ex player or already on the coaching set up)
Bailey Lawrence Curbishley/Gritt Curbishely Parkinson Powell Bowyer
We need a clear head in charge; not someone whose judgement may be clouded by in-club loyalties. Hire and fire based upon merit; that's the only way forward, IMHO.
I say that as someone that would love to have SCP back at the club in some captaincy, but not the hot seat - new era, new methods, I say...
Jackson or Euell are both not for me at all. Let's get a proper tried and tested manager in.
Tried and tested.
Dowie, Pardew, Belgian brigade, Karl Robinson, Russel Slade
1st job
Curbs, Powell, bowyer
All three have 4 promotions to their name combined.
The charlton way is different. We don't do tried and tested.
Football has changed though. Young managers are being brought through and a greater emphasis of tactics has been brought to the fold. Hate to be blunt but there isn't a 'charlton way' IMO, we aren't different to any other club our size. We bring in a danny cowley or a paul cook now, we see an improvement. Simple as that.
Jackson or Euell are both not for me at all. Let's get a proper tried and tested manager in.
Tried and tested.
Dowie, Pardew, Belgian brigade, Karl Robinson, Russel Slade
1st job
Curbs, Powell, bowyer
All three have 4 promotions to their name combined.
The charlton way is different. We don't do tried and tested.
Football has changed though. Young managers are being brought through and a greater emphasis of tactics has been brought to the fold. Hate to be blunt but there isn't a 'charlton way' IMO, we aren't different to any other club our size. We bring in a danny cowley or a paul cook now, we see an improvement. Simple as that.
We could bring in Boris Johnson and see an improvement.
We need a young, fresh, hungry manager coming in with new ideas and a clear style.
For all of Jackson's charm I don't really see him tactically bringing anything new to the table or being experienced enough to set-up a new backroom staff from scratch.
I’d love to see Jackson stay. He might not be up for it but if Euell does move on I think he’d be a good shout for the U23 job. He’s been a fantastic servant but if Bowyer goes I don’t see him staying within the first team set up.
I’d love to see Jackson stay. He might not be up for it but if Euell does move on I think he’d be a good shout for the U23 job. He’s been a fantastic servant but if Bowyer goes I don’t see him staying within the first team set up.
Jackson will automatically be the route of
"A friend 1st and a boss 2nd"
A slightly cooler Brent and he's simply already casually mates with the players by default and his time spent with us.
We all couldn't stand the Belgian waffle but let's be honest, they did actually at least mostly always start well...in terms of getting results. All apart from freye.
If Bowyer were to get the sack this season we’re as attractive as a proposition for a manager to take charge of as Gillingham / MK are. We’re just a average third division team. Yes we have an ambitious owner with money to back us but most teams do and Sunderland, Ipswich, Portsmouth are still in this division after spending many millions between them.
Jackson or Euell are both not for me at all. Let's get a proper tried and tested manager in.
Tried and tested.
Dowie, Pardew, Belgian brigade, Karl Robinson, Russel Slade
1st job
Curbs, Powell, bowyer
All three have 4 promotions to their name combined.
The charlton way is different. We don't do tried and tested.
Football has changed though. Young managers are being brought through and a greater emphasis of tactics has been brought to the fold. Hate to be blunt but there isn't a 'charlton way' IMO, we aren't different to any other club our size. We bring in a danny cowley or a paul cook now, we see an improvement. Simple as that.
We could bring in Boris Johnson and see an improvement.
Oh gawd, this thread is contentious enough as it is without bringing politics into it an'all...
If Bowyer were to get the sack this season we’re as attractive as a proposition for a manager to take charge of as Gillingham / MK are. We’re just a average third division team. Yes we have an ambitious owner with money to back us but most teams do and Sunderland, Ipswich, Portsmouth are still in this division after spending many millions between them.
I think we're a more attractive option than the teams you've mentioned, but I do accept the view about a change of manager not guaranteeing promotion.
What I would say is we're going nowhere under Bowyer, so a change of manager with fresh ideas and a fresh approach is needed
I’d love to see Jackson stay. He might not be up for it but if Euell does move on I think he’d be a good shout for the U23 job. He’s been a fantastic servant but if Bowyer goes I don’t see him staying within the first team set up.
Jackson will automatically be the route of
"A friend 1st and a boss 2nd"
A slightly cooler Brent and he's simply already casually mates with the players by default and his time spent with us.
We all couldn't stand the Belgian waffle but let's be honest, they did actually at least mostly always start well...in terms of getting results. All apart from freye.
Claus Jensen?
I think i need to log off
Jensen... Danish, a former player and now a manager... won't happen, will it?...
Brown, Johansson, Pringle, Costa and Bartlett are other former players from the Curbs years who have managed.
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I think if you accept that we have a decent squad, a short term solution that is close to the players would be a good one. It would untie a lot of the knots and maybe change the mood music enough for a run. If JJ is not the man (not for any of us to say) maybe Pearce is. Or Pearce and Gunter or Prately.
I have to be honest, unlike many who seem to have given up, I am still looking at achieving something this season. That is the priority for me.
Euall ticks a lot of boxes plus I feel it will, ultimately, Roddy making the call.
It would be ironic though if the man that inflicted U23s football on the country scraps our U23 team as his first meaningful action in his new job.
Euall will either be our manager next season or he won't be at the club.
I want the best manager we can get with the best managerial skills. Couldn’t care less if he grew up with pictures of Mike Small and Tom Hovi on his bedroom wall.
"You are a complete and utter prick
Polite Letter to VOTV or Mercury, or maybe a Sunday night call to Clive R on RTM about it, but no anti-Muttley car park stuff for now.
smiley face
Tried and tested.
Dowie, Pardew, Belgian brigade, Karl Robinson, Russel Slade
1st job
Curbs, Powell, bowyer
All three have 4 promotions to their name combined.
The charlton way is different. We don't do tried and tested.
Bailey
Lawrence
Curbishley/Gritt
Curbishely
Parkinson
Powell
Bowyer
Forgot Lennie Lawrence. We was his 1st management job.
I say that as someone that would love to have SCP back at the club in some captaincy, but not the hot seat - new era, new methods, I say...
For all of Jackson's charm I don't really see him tactically bringing anything new to the table or being experienced enough to set-up a new backroom staff from scratch.
Jackson will automatically be the route of
"A friend 1st and a boss 2nd"
A slightly cooler Brent and he's simply already casually mates with the players by default and his time spent with us.
We all couldn't stand the Belgian waffle but let's be honest, they did actually at least mostly always start well...in terms of getting results. All apart from freye.
Claus Jensen?
I think i need to log off
What I would say is we're going nowhere under Bowyer, so a change of manager with fresh ideas and a fresh approach is needed
Brown, Johansson, Pringle, Costa and Bartlett are other former players from the Curbs years who have managed.
Must be a few more?