A 'tried and tested' manager at League One level generally means someone who probably isn't that great a manager. I know that sounds like a bit of a generalization, but if we want a long term manager who is going to take us onto the next level then I don't feel as though it would be that exciting to bring in someone who has been pottering around the league for a while.
We didn't get anything out of going down that route with Robinson or Slade.
But, if you take a bit of a gamble on someone with a point to prove like a Johnnie Jackson, Jason Euell (or in a previous time, Lee Bowyer), you might just be sitting on something special. You never know.
As I said previously, our last two promotions came off the back of such appointments.
I do also think someone like Jackson benefits quite a lot from the fact that he played extensively at League One/Championship level relatively recently.
Turn back the clock 5/6 months and none of us knew whether we would still have a club We live in crazy times with Covid and no footi crowds but we still have a club and for that we have so much to thank TS for. I have never been one for sacking a manager on a whim least of all an ex player who became a manager and took us to promotion. Footi fans are a fickle bunch but I like to think overall we are a very loyal fan base. For me though TS has a descion to make and one that msy well shape our future. Reluctantly I feel it's time to part with LB and then on that basis TS has a real decision as to who to replace him with. TS has a vision and so far is backing it with hard cash - as I say a Watershed moment for him
I agree with this with the exception that I believe Bow has until the end of the season regardless. Not to win us a playoff place but to show something that will encourage TS to allow him to spend his money in the summer. We do seem a way off that happening though.
If we lose at home to Burton on Tuesday (who are bottom and have been for as long as I can recall) do you still think Bow is safe regardless?
A 'tried and tested' manager at League One level generally means someone who probably isn't that great a manager. I know that sounds like a bit of a generalization, but if we want a long term manager who is going to take us onto the next level then I don't feel as though it would be that exciting to bring in someone who has been pottering around the league for a while.
We didn't get anything out of going down that route with Robinson or Slade.
But, if you take a bit of a gamble on someone with a point to prove like a Johnnie Jackson, Jason Euell (or in a previous time, Lee Bowyer), you might just be sitting on something special. You never know.
As I said previously, our last two promotions came off the back of such appointments.
I do also think someone like Jackson benefits quite a lot from the fact that he played extensively at League One/Championship level relatively recently.
At this level at least I'd always prefer the gamble over someone like Robinson or Slade. As you say you might find something special.
TS as owner may change that though as he's probably willing to spend more and has far bigger ambitions for the club than previous owners.
I know the suggestion of Howe has got a few lol’s but I don’t think it’s that ridiculous a suggestion. It would be up to Thomas to lay out his vision and sell it to him as a project. I think he’d at least sit down and listen.
I know the suggestion of Howe has got a few lol’s but I don’t think it’s that ridiculous a suggestion. It would be up to Thomas to lay out his vision and sell it to him as a project. I think he’d at least sit down and listen.
I read earlier that Bristol City wanted him but he wants a Premier League job and is waiting for one. I expect it will be Palace. Either way, there is no chance he would come to us.
Eddie Howe turned us down in 2011 as a replacement for Parky can’t see him wanting to manage us now having established himself as a Premiership manager.
I know the suggestion of Howe has got a few lol’s but I don’t think it’s that ridiculous a suggestion. It would be up to Thomas to lay out his vision and sell it to him as a project. I think he’d at least sit down and listen.
Dropping two divisions is a career wrecker should he fail. Anyway, he'd never consider it.
If we sacked Bowyer and replaced him with Steve Evans I am not joking, I will take a hiatus from football. That would be a shocking appointment
Howe no chance, needs to stop being mentioned.
Powell again, no from me. He played crap football towards the end and was negative like Lee has been, I don't think he's the right man even though I would want him to be.
Cowleys, why? Got promoted from league 2 and then jumped ship to Huddersfield, did dreadful and got sacked. Their fans said the football was as bad as when they had Powell from what I saw.
Only one I've seen that wouldn't be bad is Cook but even then I'm not sure.
If Lee goes I would like Curbs again, I think he still has it.
Jesus, we've gone full circle Curbs - Powell - JJ - Euell - STEVE EVANS!!!! - Howe. I'm pretty sure none of them will be our next manager whenever Bowyer goes for various reasons
He’s played 4-2-3-1 almost every single game in the two and a half years he’s been here. He also likes a settled starting eleven which isn’t a bad thing, it’s something which has worked very well for us at times. Style wise it can be quite direct at times, which is one reason he was happy to let Grigg go - Paul definitely favours a big man up front.
As others have said, it's improbable that he can bring someone like Howe in as part of the five-year Premier League plan (apologies to ForeverAddickted for my naivety), so Sandgaard will need to do it in two bites.
He needs an experienced manager who will guarantee to get us out of League 1 by the end of next season ... and who can help to build a potential Championship-winning squad ... but who is probably not interested in staying on for the long haul.
It's at that point that people like Howe, Scott Parker etc (pick your own names) might become interested in the 'Charlton Project' and the experienced manager can hand over the nucleus of Sandgaard's 'EuroCharlton'.
Bowyer has my backing, I think we're in league one for the next 12 months minimum, 9th is where I think we will end up finishing, given a summer with no embargos, ab actual budget and no salary cap, ill judge where we are next January, if nothings changed I'll be saying it's time to go.
No the footballs not great and no we aren't performing. I don't think the squad is right and I think we lost some major personalities in our dressing room this summer.
Give him time, how many other managers in 3/4 years have had to completely rebuild a squad each summer of freebies and loans. The man has worked miracles and deserves our time and patience
Bowyer has my backing, I think we're in league one for the next 12 months minimum, 9th is where I think we will end up finishing, given a summer with no embargos, ab actual budget and no salary cap, ill judge where we are next January, if nothings changed I'll be saying it's time to go.
No the footballs not great and no we aren't performing. I don't think the squad is right and I think we lost some major personalities in our dressing room this summer.
Give him time, how many other managers in 3/4 years have had to completely rebuild a squad each summer of freebies and loans. The man has worked miracles and deserves our time and patience
This 100% !!!!
bored of all this bowyer out rubbish after everygame now
Out of all the opposition teams this season I thought Doncaster Rovers played the best football. They ripped us apart at the Valley (I was lucky enough to be there) playing nice free flowing well organised football. We were never in with a shout. They seem to have done well all season until their recent dip. Not sure who there manager is, but if he could get us playing the way Donny did I’d be more than happy.
A youngish, enthusiastic and progressive L1 manager who could cope in the Championship would be ok by me, it doesn’t have to be a well know name, or an ex Charlton player.
Bowyer has my backing, I think we're in league one for the next 12 months minimum, 9th is where I think we will end up finishing, given a summer with no embargos, ab actual budget and no salary cap, ill judge where we are next January, if nothings changed I'll be saying it's time to go.
No the footballs not great and no we aren't performing. I don't think the squad is right and I think we lost some major personalities in our dressing room this summer.
Give him time, how many other managers in 3/4 years have had to completely rebuild a squad each summer of freebies and loans. The man has worked miracles and deserves our time and patience
He hasn't worked miracles though has he, that's completely exaggerated. We had an excellent League 1 squad (he inherited a good group of players and in fairness made some good signings to add to that) and he quite rightly got us top 6. Promotion was an achievement, it always is when it's 46/49 games even if on paper the squad should achieve it. But then we were relegated last season, I don't blame it on him but getting relegated can never be a success, even with the difficult circumstances he had to work with. Now we are massively underachieving.
If you are pro Bowyer I respect your view and actually, I can see a case for giving him another summer (I wouldn't but I can see the point). I don't agree he deserves loyalty for his past success when that success for me isn't that great.
Out of all the opposition teams this season I thought Doncaster Rovers played the best football. They ripped us apart at the Valley (I was lucky enough to be there) playing nice free flowing well organised football. We were never in with a shout. They seem to have done well all season until their recent dip. Not sure who there manager is, but if he could get us playing the way Donny did I’d be more than happy.
A youngish, enthusiastic and progressive L1 manager who could cope in the Championship would be ok by me, it doesn’t have to be a well know name, or an ex Charlton player.
Darren Moore who I actually thought did ok at West Brom. They picked up under him in the Prem and were never going to stay up (10 points from safety when he was appointed in April). Was sacked when West Brom were 4th and Bilic went on to lose in the play offs. I've seen Donny twice and they played nice stuff both times.
If we sacked Bowyer and replaced him with Steve Evans I am not joking, I will take a hiatus from football. That would be a shocking appointment
Howe no chance, needs to stop being mentioned.
Powell again, no from me. He played crap football towards the end and was negative like Lee has been, I don't think he's the right man even though I would want him to be.
Cowleys, why? Got promoted from league 2 and then jumped ship to Huddersfield, did dreadful and got sacked. Their fans said the football was as bad as when they had Powell from what I saw.
Only one I've seen that wouldn't be bad is Cook but even then I'm not sure.
If Lee goes I would like Curbs again, I think he still has it.
Bring in a manager who plays a real system and build a squad to play it. Who is our Nuno Espirito Santo or Bielsa? I think that's got to be part of Roddy's role, identifying prospective head coaches out there who are innovative.
I really do not want to see a bog-standard league one manager who we will have to replace in a few years anyway. Find a manager who plays a real system and build to that system.
If we sacked Bowyer and replaced him with Steve Evans I am not joking, I will take a hiatus from football. That would be a shocking appointment
Howe no chance, needs to stop being mentioned.
Powell again, no from me. He played crap football towards the end and was negative like Lee has been, I don't think he's the right man even though I would want him to be.
Cowleys, why? Got promoted from league 2 and then jumped ship to Huddersfield, did dreadful and got sacked. Their fans said the football was as bad as when they had Powell from what I saw.
Only one I've seen that wouldn't be bad is Cook but even then I'm not sure.
If Lee goes I would like Curbs again, I think he still has it.
You think curbs still has it based on what ?
His work record the last 10 years?
Listen to him on the prematch program for VP. He talks so much sense and knows what it takes to put not just a squad of good players but also who gel together. The ex-players have so much respect for him as well. I would have Curbs with Euell as assistant and Brownie as defensive coach. What's Nigel Pearson doing nowadays? Thought he was treated poorly by Watford
If we sacked Bowyer and replaced him with Steve Evans I am not joking, I will take a hiatus from football. That would be a shocking appointment
Howe no chance, needs to stop being mentioned.
Powell again, no from me. He played crap football towards the end and was negative like Lee has been, I don't think he's the right man even though I would want him to be.
Cowleys, why? Got promoted from league 2 and then jumped ship to Huddersfield, did dreadful and got sacked. Their fans said the football was as bad as when they had Powell from what I saw.
Only one I've seen that wouldn't be bad is Cook but even then I'm not sure.
If Lee goes I would like Curbs again, I think he still has it.
You think curbs still has it based on what ?
His work record the last 10 years?
Listen to him on the prematch program for VP. He talks so much sense and knows what it takes to put not just a squad of good players but also who gel together. The ex-players have so much respect for him as well. I would have Curbs with Euell as assistant and Brownie as defensive coach. What's Nigel Pearson doing nowadays? Thought he was treated poorly by Watford
How about George Graham? He'd sort us out defensively.
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We didn't get anything out of going down that route with Robinson or Slade.
But, if you take a bit of a gamble on someone with a point to prove like a Johnnie Jackson, Jason Euell (or in a previous time, Lee Bowyer), you might just be sitting on something special. You never know.
As I said previously, our last two promotions came off the back of such appointments.
I do also think someone like Jackson benefits quite a lot from the fact that he played extensively at League One/Championship level relatively recently.
At this level at least I'd always prefer the gamble over someone like Robinson or Slade. As you say you might find something special.
TS as owner may change that though as he's probably willing to spend more and has far bigger ambitions for the club than previous owners.
Anyway, he'd never consider it.
Howe no chance, needs to stop being mentioned.
Powell again, no from me. He played crap football towards the end and was negative like Lee has been, I don't think he's the right man even though I would want him to be.
Cowleys, why? Got promoted from league 2 and then jumped ship to Huddersfield, did dreadful and got sacked. Their fans said the football was as bad as when they had Powell from what I saw.
Only one I've seen that wouldn't be bad is Cook but even then I'm not sure.
If Lee goes I would like Curbs again, I think he still has it.
OPEN EVERYTHING BORIS, THE WORLD HAS GONE NUTS
He’s played 4-2-3-1 almost every single game in the two and a half years he’s been here. He also likes a settled starting eleven which isn’t a bad thing, it’s something which has worked very well for us at times. Style wise it can be quite direct at times, which is one reason he was happy to let Grigg go - Paul definitely favours a big man up front.
https://rokerreport.sbnation.com/2019/10/11/20909478/interview-wigan-supporter-gives-his-honest-opinion-of-sunderland-managerial-candidate-paul-cook
4-2-3-1 back in the league one Roland days
Bowyer must have had a word!
As others have said, it's improbable that he can bring someone like Howe in as part of the five-year Premier League plan (apologies to ForeverAddickted for my naivety), so Sandgaard will need to do it in two bites.
He needs an experienced manager who will guarantee to get us out of League 1 by the end of next season ... and who can help to build a potential Championship-winning squad ... but who is probably not interested in staying on for the long haul.
It's at that point that people like Howe, Scott Parker etc (pick your own names) might become interested in the 'Charlton Project' and the experienced manager can hand over the nucleus of Sandgaard's 'EuroCharlton'.
https://the72.co.uk/223168/short-memories-just-got-a-poor-squad-these-charlton-athletic-fans-are-still-behind-bowyer/
Apologies if this was posted elsewhere.
No the footballs not great and no we aren't performing. I don't think the squad is right and I think we lost some major personalities in our dressing room this summer.
Give him time, how many other managers in 3/4 years have had to completely rebuild a squad each summer of freebies and loans. The man has worked miracles and deserves our time and patience
bored of all this bowyer out rubbish after everygame now
If you are pro Bowyer I respect your view and actually, I can see a case for giving him another summer (I wouldn't but I can see the point). I don't agree he deserves loyalty for his past success when that success for me isn't that great.
I really do not want to see a bog-standard league one manager who we will have to replace in a few years anyway. Find a manager who plays a real system and build to that system.