Definitely not captain material - that just smacks of a club desperate tokeep him happy at all costs. The added pressure of being skipper isn't good for some, usually the case for a striker, but his interpetsonal skills on the pitch weren't great. A leader should lead, not berate and finger point all the time.
Fine as a striker and important in the dressing room but we need a proper leader.
From an article in The Athletic in which they pose the question "What happened to your club's academy stars?" Stockley gets mentioned in dispatches:
For the brightest academy prospects, their breakthrough into the first team always seems to come with the same heart-warming detail of having to leave school early to make an evening game. Jayden Stockley was no exception.
In September 2009, when Bournemouth were in League Two, an injury crisis had eaten away at the core of the squad and a transfer embargo meant they could not sign their way out of trouble. Stockley, meanwhile, was turning heads in the youth team — not just because he stood 6ft 3in tall as a schoolboy but because he had scored seven times in his last four appearances for the under-16s.
That was enough for manager Eddie Howe to make the kid Bournemouth’s second-youngest debutant, bring him off the bench against Northampton Town in the EFL Trophy just 21 days after celebrating his 16th birthday. As Bournemouth’s squad remained wafer-thin, Howe was forced to call Stockley up again as a substitute against Burton Albion in the October, but not before ringing Lytchett Minster School to ask permission as the teenager was preparing to sit his GCSE exams.
Alas, Stockley did not build on his early promise at Bournemouth. He made just 16 league appearances in seven years that were punctuated by loan spells but has found his feet since leaving permanently for Aberdeen of the Scottish Premiership in 2016.
Now 28, Stockley finished last season not only as Charlton Athletic’s top scorer with 13 League One goals but also joint-top scorer in the FA Cup, with Manchester City’s Riyad Mahrez, on four goals. Whether that is as glamorous as playing alongside a 17-year-old Danny Ings is debatable, but at least Stockley is still keeping some decent company.
Anyone who doesn't realize that big number 9 still have a role to play in League 1 are being seduced by this thought of Man city type football in the 3rd tier.
Judge Jayden Stockley on his ability when he gets passes that don't fly over his head or he isn't isolated with no passes on. This will improve under Ben Garner as the players coming in will have better movement. I remember his first goal on the deck for Cafc and surprise, surprise, it was when Chuks was near to him in the area and assisted his sweeping shot into the net.
From Peter Couch down (not many are taller!) the tall strikers can look iffy at times on the deck but both Stockley and Michael Smith (I said he would be successful in League 1 the day he left Cafc) are effective when given a good service.
I get to watch a lot of Youth players being coached and they are better on the deck that they used to be but most are weaker in the air. big Number 9's are still an asset as Charlton found out both attacking and defending when lacking height and strength when we had no Stockley, Aneke or Inniss in the side.
Bring on good possession football which should be mandatory for pro footballers as long as it's quick as well as slow depending on the state of the game. Until the day Heading is banned (how can it be in football?) then big strikers will alway be needed, at least from Championship downwards.
Good touch for a big man ?
Let's see under Ben Garner for JS before writing off.
I'm amazed by the criticism Stockley gets. If you play to his strengths he will always score goals, at this level particularly. His overall record for us of 28 goals from 52 starts does stand up to scrutiny (0.44 goals per 90 minutes for us in Div 1). He is also a big help defensively from set pieces.
Be grateful for what we have and not what we might have because what we might have is usually unobtainable for one reason or another. Remember the fanfare for the arrival of Bogle, the give bloke a chance (despite the massive question marks about him) - 21 goals at all levels in all games in the last five season. Stockley virtually achieved that last season alone.
I expect Garner to go with 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1 (they’re not that different) most of the time but it’ll look very different to the way Adkins played it. We’ve brought in two defenders and a GK who can play out from the back with more to come. Replace those three with CM, Gunter/Matthews and Famewo/Pearce it’s clear you’re not going to retain possession as well resulting in balls pumped in the vague direction of Stockley. Not being a mobile striker and playing a lone role that sort of service doesn’t give him a proper chance to add much outside the box. If we instead play out from the back and through the midfield Stockley can get the ball to his feet or chest high up the pitch instead of battling for a header near the halfway line with no support around him. He’s no Yann but he might look a better player for it.
I’m looking forward to seeing how our style develops, excepting plenty of possession but hopefully with good movement resulting in creating plenty of chances and scoring goals. Robinson struggled to push us that big further without the right player up front, Magennis was a 10 goal striker, Stockley scored more in last season’s average and inconsistent side. I wouldn’t write him off even though we ideally need a more mobile striker capable of playing her lone role.
I'm amazed by the criticism Stockley gets. If you play to his strengths he will always score goals, at this level particularly. His overall record for us of 28 goals from 52 starts does stand up to scrutiny (0.44 goals per 90 minutes for us in Div 1). He is also a big help defensively from set pieces.
Be grateful for what we have and not what we might have because what we might have is usually unobtainable for one reason or another. Remember the fanfare for the arrival of Bogle, the give bloke a chance (despite the massive question marks about him) - 21 goals at all levels in all games in the last five season. Stockley virtually achieved that last season alone.
I completely agree. That goal record is excellent for a striker, especially one who has had to play in various different systems under new managers and has had to come back from a fairly serious injury. He's had periods where the team were a total mess and still managed to score. I think there's a certain arrogance to modern football fans where if a player is big but can't do a step-over they just get written off as lumps and everyone prays for a magical replacement striker with pace who can beat the entire opposition team before lobbing the keeper. It's nothing new, there were more than a few people who used to complain about Yann in 2011/12, saying that we played better football with Paul Hayes and when Yann was on the pitch we just lumped it at his head. I liked Hayes but Yann played because Yann was a better player. Stockley is good, he scores goals. He's scored goals for us in a two and on his own up front. If we build up what we've got in the spaces around him then he'll score even more. He also seems to be all in on Charlton, represents the club for a lot of things and generally doesn't hate us even half as much as he could. I like him.
Wasn't he 4th in the league for chances missed last season, and on ratio (if he'd played all the league games), looking like he'd be 1st?
I think you're allowed to criticise players on a football forum without being lumped in as some kind of dirge of modern football.
He certainly has his strengths and he's certainly not rubbish, but there are credible concerns about him playing up front on his own in a possession-style system, especially given his past performances as a lone striker in similar systems. I guess we'll wait and see.
I think he will benefit this season from better service .... a striker like him will enjoy more opportunities with the BG style of play .... I'm only hoping but let's see how he goes ... give captaincy to a midfield general too.
Wasn't he 4th in the league for chances missed last season, and on ratio (if he'd played all the league games), looking like he'd be 1st?
I think you're allowed to criticise players on a football forum without being lumped in as some kind of dirge of modern football.
He certainly has his strengths and he's certainly not rubbish, but there are credible concerns about him playing up front on his own in a possession-style system, especially given his past performances as a lone striker in similar systems. I guess we'll wait and see.
Agreed. There are genuine concerns whether he will fit in to a system such as 4232 or 433 where the traditional target man needs to be more mobile than in the traditional big man/small man strike force in a 442 or 352.
Wasn't he 4th in the league for chances missed last season, and on ratio (if he'd played all the league games), looking like he'd be 1st?
I think you're allowed to criticise players on a football forum without being lumped in as some kind of dirge of modern football.
He certainly has his strengths and he's certainly not rubbish, but there are credible concerns about him playing up front on his own in a possession-style system, especially given his past performances as a lone striker in similar systems. I guess we'll wait and see.
Agreed. There are genuine concerns whether he will fit in to a system such as 4232 or 433 where the traditional target man needs to be more mobile than in the traditional big man/small man strike force in a 442 or 352.
Wasn't he 4th in the league for chances missed last season, and on ratio (if he'd played all the league games), looking like he'd be 1st?
I think you're allowed to criticise players on a football forum without being lumped in as some kind of dirge of modern football.
He certainly has his strengths and he's certainly not rubbish, but there are credible concerns about him playing up front on his own in a possession-style system, especially given his past performances as a lone striker in similar systems. I guess we'll wait and see.
Agreed. There are genuine concerns whether he will fit in to a system such as 4232 or 433 where the traditional target man needs to be more mobile than in the traditional big man/small man strike force in a 442 or 352.
Not sure we're allowed to use 4-2-3-2.
You are allowed any permutations you like. If we go with 4-2-3-2 may be best to get David Marshal ! On second thoughts, maybe not.
I commented after his first season that he was unlikely to score so many freakishly brilliant headers in future seasons. But I never thought he’d lose his mojo so spectacularly.
When has he looked like scoring this season, other than the penalty? Yes, the system doesn’t suit him, but his movement and anticipation have been lacking, and it’s like playing with ten men at times. This is League One. He should be scaring defences, but I doubt any of them dread playing against him at all.
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Did Jayden spend the whole birth moaning at everyone else
Congratulations
A big character in dressing room. I don't think the transition to captain was a successful move.
Fine as a striker and important in the dressing room but we need a proper leader.
For the brightest academy prospects, their breakthrough into the first team always seems to come with the same heart-warming detail of having to leave school early to make an evening game. Jayden Stockley was no exception.
In September 2009, when Bournemouth were in League Two, an injury crisis had eaten away at the core of the squad and a transfer embargo meant they could not sign their way out of trouble. Stockley, meanwhile, was turning heads in the youth team — not just because he stood 6ft 3in tall as a schoolboy but because he had scored seven times in his last four appearances for the under-16s.
That was enough for manager Eddie Howe to make the kid Bournemouth’s second-youngest debutant, bring him off the bench against Northampton Town in the EFL Trophy just 21 days after celebrating his 16th birthday. As Bournemouth’s squad remained wafer-thin, Howe was forced to call Stockley up again as a substitute against Burton Albion in the October, but not before ringing Lytchett Minster School to ask permission as the teenager was preparing to sit his GCSE exams.
Alas, Stockley did not build on his early promise at Bournemouth. He made just 16 league appearances in seven years that were punctuated by loan spells but has found his feet since leaving permanently for Aberdeen of the Scottish Premiership in 2016.
Now 28, Stockley finished last season not only as Charlton Athletic’s top scorer with 13 League One goals but also joint-top scorer in the FA Cup, with Manchester City’s Riyad Mahrez, on four goals. Whether that is as glamorous as playing alongside a 17-year-old Danny Ings is debatable, but at least Stockley is still keeping some decent company.
https://www.thestar.co.uk/sport/football/sheffield-wednesday/sheffield-wednesdays-jayden-stockley-stance-after-interest-in-charlton-athletic-star-3748402
Anyone who doesn't realize that big number 9 still have a role to play in League 1 are being seduced by this thought of Man city type football in the 3rd tier.
Judge Jayden Stockley on his ability when he gets passes that don't fly over his head or he isn't isolated with no passes on. This will improve under Ben Garner as the players coming in will have better movement. I remember his first goal on the deck for Cafc and surprise, surprise, it was when Chuks was near to him in the area and assisted his sweeping shot into the net.
From Peter Couch down (not many are taller!) the tall strikers can look iffy at times on the deck but both Stockley and Michael Smith (I said he would be successful in League 1 the day he left Cafc) are effective when given a good service.
I get to watch a lot of Youth players being coached and they are better on the deck that they used to be but most are weaker in the air. big Number 9's are still an asset as Charlton found out both attacking and defending when lacking height and strength when we had no Stockley, Aneke or Inniss in the side.
Bring on good possession football which should be mandatory for pro footballers as long as it's quick as well as slow depending on the state of the game. Until the day Heading is banned (how can it be in football?) then big strikers will alway be needed, at least from Championship downwards.
Good touch for a big man ?
Let's see under Ben Garner for JS before writing off.
Be grateful for what we have and not what we might have because what we might have is usually unobtainable for one reason or another. Remember the fanfare for the arrival of Bogle, the give bloke a chance (despite the massive question marks about him) - 21 goals at all levels in all games in the last five season. Stockley virtually achieved that last season alone.
I’m looking forward to seeing how our style develops, excepting plenty of possession but hopefully with good movement resulting in creating plenty of chances and scoring goals. Robinson struggled to push us that big further without the right player up front, Magennis was a 10 goal striker, Stockley scored more in last season’s average and inconsistent side. I wouldn’t write him off even though we ideally need a more mobile striker capable of playing her lone role.
I think you're allowed to criticise players on a football forum without being lumped in as some kind of dirge of modern football.
He certainly has his strengths and he's certainly not rubbish, but there are credible concerns about him playing up front on his own in a possession-style system, especially given his past performances as a lone striker in similar systems. I guess we'll wait and see.
You are allowed any permutations you like.
If we go with 4-2-3-2 may be best to get David Marshal ! On second thoughts, maybe not.
Seems a good egg. I hope he turns it around.
No idea who else should be captain though.
Dobson?
Agree there were perhaps 3 or 4.
Watching the stream today, we commented that JS would be a better bet in midfield plus his defending of corners etc.
No way is he the striker we so badly need at this moment in time.