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Post-match Thread: Charlton v Swindon | Sat 23 Jan 2021

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  • 1StevieG said:
    This season is going the way of last season. We will hang on to 6th place and miss out on the play offs on the final game.
    We’ll have finished our season and then 10 teams will play their gazillion games in hand on us and we’ll drop to 13th 
  • Bowyer does have double-standards now and then, btw. Why didn't he give Millar both barrels after he not only jumped out of a tackle first-half but then put in an apology of a challenge before their second goal? Well, because he was obviously the best player on the field and was going to prove instrumental in any comeback.
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    Leuth said:
    Bowyer does have double-standards now and then, btw. Why didn't he give Millar both barrels after he not only jumped out of a tackle first-half but then put in an apology of a challenge before their second goal? Well, because he was obviously the best player on the field and was going to prove instrumental in any comeback.
    That's a fair observation but I'd hazard a guess that either someone higher up or the senior players have had a word in his shell like to think carefully before he now does his post match interviews and to cut out the personal ctritism of players. He may well have spoken to Millar in private or if not will do so tomorrow at the training ground when they've  analysed the game on the VT.
  • RedChaser said:
    That's a fair observation but I'd hazard a guess that either someone higher up or the senior players have had a word in his shell like to think carefully before he now does his post match interviews and to cut out the personal ctritism of players.
    I think your 100% spot on.  Someone has said something about a few things.  If this had been a new manager, after the 1st half hour against Rochdale, we would be celebrating "turning a corner".  I just feel its too little to late as previous dubious choices are still bitting him in the arse. 
  • Cafc43v3r said:
    I don't disagree with 99% of what you said but......

    Let me put it like this do you think signing a load of 30+ year olds, on multiple year contracts is rebuilding?

    Regardless of the rhetoric the facts are we have multiple 30 year olds that will eat into next season wage cap. Bowyer him self said something along the lines of "if I can sign the players I want we will get in the play offs".  They included Gunter, Watson and Maddison as minum.

    We are paying them significantly more than the cap average.  He wanted them, they aren't playing well.  Who is to blame?

    If he had signed 1 or 2 more "projects" and less "for now" players I think we would all agree that 6th, for now, was acceptable and he should be given time. He didn't.  That's the choices you make as a manager.  He can't now get out of it in the summer because of the contracts.  So as I see it it's if not now, when? 
    What players are you referring to? Schwartz is a player and seems like the type to me to play into his mid 30s, Gunter should be better than he is, it happens, Watson is only on a one year? If not Watson is decent to have around anyone, good role model for the younger players. Who else does that leave? 

    A fair chunk of the players I don't rate/see us going forward with our out of contract in the summer so he will get a chance to rebuild.

    I think the players he signed with the pedigree they came with should be performing better. It happens to every club in the world, we won't be the first club to sign players who can't carry their form to another club and we won't be the last. That is the nature of football, Bowyers hit rate with signings outweighs his duds, unfortunately they end up leaving. Hopefully with TS this happens far less
  • Once again we switched to 4-4-2 diamond and looked much better, too little too late in the end.
  • In my position as arbiter of reasonableness I wish our fans would stop identifying our poor run of form as being in any way to do with the manager.  Obviously there is a conspiracy against Lord Bowyer.  Let's give him till the end of the season when our failure to win much can be re-evaluated and the chance to rebuild will no doubt lead to a successful season - if you disagree you are clearly anti Charlton and want us to fail.
    You were doing very well until the final comment.  I was then looking for the flag button.
  • Two things to ponder about over the next 24/48 hours.

    After tues we don't have another midweek game for a month. This should mean that Bowyer can play a settled side during that period (injuries aside). No need for tinkering or resting players. It also means (I would assume) that a lot of teams around us will play their games in hand as there are 3 blank midweeks before there are a number of sat/tues/sat matches up to Easter. The table could look a lot different come end of Feb.  

    Next season the wage cap is worse - I believe it might by £2m in total rather than £2.5m as it is now. If so, things could get a lot bleaker before they get better. It could mean getting rid of some higher earners (like Gunter & Matthews) and players coming to the end of their contracts (Pearce) are let go. That means more rebuilding & more cost cutting.o also believe the squad size is cut from 23 to 20 - so lesser players on lesser money. 

    Something to think about if you are in the "let's give Bowyer a free ride this season & let him build a squad for next season" camp. 
  • 2 wins or go for me now.
    We need promotion this season, the situation gets worse next.
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  • Dazzler21 said:
    2 wins or go for me now.
    We need promotion this season, the situation gets worse next.
    And releasing him in two games will guarantee promotion? My life!!
  • Not that I'm in any way defending him @Leuth (Millar not Bowyer) I think because if how much he has affected play and wanted the ball wherever he is on the pitch coupled with the fact he isn't our player meant he couldn't rip him a new one publicly 

    Me and my group were all fuming at Millar fannying out of that challenge because we were all Saturday and Sunday league players who to a man wouldn't do that, what Millar has shown is how valuable defensively he is in the same way Jerome Thomas used to be, get the ball deep in our half, get shit kicked, win foul, relieve pressure. Millar has shown for every ball he has been near and looks to beat his opposite number, I love watching it. And I think he still hasn't hit his stride yet
  • RedChaser said:
    That's a fair observation but I'd hazard a guess that either someone higher up or the senior players have had a word in his shell like to think carefully before he now does his post match interviews and to cut out the personal ctritism of players. He may well have spoken to Millar in private or if not will do so tomorrow at the training ground when they've  analysed the game on the VT.
    My take:
    Williams is not Lee's type of player. 
    Lee doesn't fully respect and trust him to do a job, hence the fact that he hasn't started or played consistently through the season to date. 
    As an international and League 1 plus level player, Williams should be self selecting from the start in every game at this level.  Otherwise what is the point of having him in the squad?
    But his limitations and frailty means that he is not the right player for 90 minutes in every game and needs to be applied to a game selectively.  Apply him in the wrong game becomes the wrong tactic and endless criticism in the post match thread on here.
    Always a case, imo, of which Williams is going to turn up?!
    General frustration with Williams led to both barrels being fired in his direction.
    Millar however, is young, skilled, can do a job, has made an immediate impact and has become self-selecting very quickly.  He is a loanee, so tact needs to be applied to avoid upsetting his home club and damaging relationships. 
    A public outburst, digging out a loanee could have a very significant impact on all loans to Charlton and we can't do without them for this season at least. 
    No Premiership or Championship club is going to send us their developing players to be given public beastings by our manager. Just not going to happen. 
    Millar is part of the solution and his impact in the team will help inform a decision in the next few months on whether Lee keeps his job.
    I think Lee understands this and will keep and criticism he may have out of the public domain, for his own good...
  • I’ll be honest , i didn’t ever fancy him to convert .
    There’s something about him that just gives me no confidence in him , i can’t quite put my finger on it but I don’t rate him at all but he ain’t that bad , it’s all  a bit confusing 
    i agree and tbh , if his first touch was better, he wouldn't have been stretching or needed to go round the keeper - he does the odd good thing but overall just isn't a dangerous striker - defenders won't be worried about coming up against him  
  • RedChaser said:
    That's a fair observation but I'd hazard a guess that either someone higher up or the senior players have had a word in his shell like to think carefully before he now does his post match interviews and to cut out the personal ctritism of players. He may well have spoken to Millar in private or if not will do so tomorrow at the training ground when they've  analysed the game on the VT.
    he also seemed half pissed when interviewed by minto after the game -almost giggly - probably banged a case of them laughing gas capsule things - maybe the medical team have prescribed them to chill him out before the post match interviews 
  • felt like i was watching the inspector high on gas when clueso was about to rip the wrong tooth out - 'did u see how ridiculous our defending was scotty ? my players, mistake after mistake, miss after miss - its hilarious, even the linesman didn't know the rules - what can u do? i just laugh it off now, the medical team have helped me do that - live, love, laugh and be happy scotty  :)  
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  • 'i publicly berated a player 2 weeks ago for jumping out of a tackle and now my new signing has just done the same and cost us the game - its hilarious but fuck me this laughing gas is blinding - wait til i get home and fire up a large reefer - as browny said, i'm adventurous, all this trying to be a serious manager aint working - i'm larging it up again now and enjoying it again - rave on scotty'
  • bromdog said:
    I think it’s worth remembering back to Powell’s first season. We were dreadful after he took over, he was given the summer transfer window and backing to do it his way and went up the following season. Bowyer hasn’t had a fair crack at a transfer window yet, managed us through some terrible times with owners, and now Covid and a false season and he has worked wonders. He needs backing for another year at least. Everyone wants instant success, it’s worth taking a step back and remembering the state of our club the last few years.
    i have no problem waiting, i had a problem watching the over defensive stuff - if he can get pratley out of the team and not put watson in, i don't need promotion this year to be happy and will just enjoy watching the matches 
  • CAFCsayer said:
    Cost me 600! 😭😭😭
    No it didn't - it cost you the price of your stake.  :)
  • se9addick said:
    You can’t freeze frame real life - the ball was moving away from him and the defender is closing the angle down. Not impossible to score, but not “pub league” to miss.
    He didn’t give us a chance of scoring by going that side of the post , he has to hit it the other side of the post to have a chance of us scoring , yes may hit defender but deflections can go in and don’t we know , he didn’t buy himself a ticket so could neve win the raffle , basic stuff 
  • The sort of match last season when we had 20% possession (ok not that low I’m being sarcastic) and came away with a win or a draw and plenty would say oh it’s the goals that count the only number that matters is the final result but now we’re losing it’s the performance we cling on to ...

    For the record the performances are the gage for me and we will improve may be too late but it’s embarrassing how shit we have been .
    I’m prolly on my own but I want Watson back in, he hasn’t been great in his more recent performances but I believe he offers a decent level of protection for our pathetic defence .
  • Cafc43v3r said:
    Hardly a rags to riches story when he was earning 15k a week since he was a teenager. 

    Williams doesn't get loads of goals and assists but to not see what he can bring to a team, when played in the correct position, is blinkered.

    You either play him there, or there is no point having him.  He is almost as non versatile as a goal keeper, but he his very good at what he does, if allowed. 
    Rags to riches is OBVIOUSLY a metaphor. I'm not talking about a footballers financial state here LOL. I'm saying he got dumped by every club he was at and then quite publicly because of the Netflix documentary Sunderland. What I'm saying is I think we all wanted him to succeed that little bit more because of this.

    He was also quite open about his mental health issues and I for one was quite proud that he'd came to our club and "found his home" He's had some good games for us but for me he's just nowhere near consistent enough. If my views are "blinkered" to you then fair enough but the fella who scored both of Poshs goals on Tuesday made more runs and was more dangerous in 30 mins that JW has been all season. Don't be clouded by sentiment 

  • Wasn’t it Pearce who deflected Swindon’s effort on to the post at 1-2 down
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