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Post-match Thread: Charlton v Swindon | Sat 23 Jan 2021

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  • I was thinking the same, we seem to be conceding from most shots on target.

     I'm not happy with that at all. We can blame the defence all we like, but some shots will get past them and that's why you have a goalkeeper. Ours has failed to deal with too many shots of late.

    The defence could well be making it harder to get clean shots off though.
  • So what happens if akin or Ryan comes back or and breaks down again in the first game and we haven't bothered to bring in another cb? 
    Didn’t Akin comeback and do that earlier on ? Or was he suspended came back and got injured , sell my memory 
  • No you're right Oohaah, he came back from his hamstring injury and then in training allegedly cleared a ball and landed funny hurting his ankle.

  • Swindon played 23
    won 6 
    drawn 3 (two against us )
    lost 14 
    scored 31 
    conceded 47 
  • edited January 2021
    Interesting that both yesterday and in the away 2-2 at Swindon, they only had 2 shots on target and both went in. Could Amos be doing better? That means in both those games he failed to save any shots on target.
    Glad someone else is asking the question finally. I really think Amos is a big part of why we are letting in so many goals from so little shots conceded. 

    He’s got talent and his season with us that helped get us into the play-offs was a decent one but he’s never held down a spot in a higher league. We need to bring in better and younger once his contract is up.


    I liked the look of their keeper Travers today - just signed on loan from Bournemouth. Also Baxter at Accrington on loan from Chelsea looked very assured. The kind of young keepers we should be targeting as the squad is rebuilt.
  • I thought Amos had a fair few questions to ask against Rochdale. If Elliott can’t get a club this window, might be worth the cap hit and sign him as a kick up the arse to Amos

  • Amos  2   In line with the number of goals he lets in on average . Should be the number on his jersey to reflect it.  Whilst one was deflected the other was more rubbish keeping. 

    Matthews  4   Seems he was better in the Championship.  Sunderland fans thought  so.

    Gunter        4    CB he is not.

    Osilaja          6   Would have been higher but for the deflected goal.

    Maatsen      5    Bowyer has to rest him. If he was on our books he would have by now. 

    Williams      4.0  Sadly goes to ground too often and can't  tackle.. being small didn't  stop Bremner  , Alan Ball , Peter Hunt and many others 

    Pratley         5.0 better in  midfield but also better in the Championship. 

    Foster-Caskey  7.0  Hurray for a consistent player.

    Millar              7.0 As above

    Aneke              6.0 Hit and miss . Shocking miss twice actually 

    Schwartz         5.0  unlucky twice but strangely invisible too much.

    Shinnie             7.0  extra for the goal 

    Pearce             Probably  should have started. Gu term not the solution 

    Washington    Actually made a difference.  He was unlucky  with a difficult chance that he created by excellent movement at the front.

    Stockley         Difficult to draw a conclusion but could work with Washington. 

    Morgan         6.5   looked good when he came on.

    Referee          5.5. At least not card happy 
     You've missed marks for 3 players
  • Regarding Washington's miss. I notice when he's in that forward right position (has happened before), he always takes the ball even further to the right and virtually defends his own attack! 

    You don't get better than your forward having a 1on1 to win a game in the 90+ minute of the game. Peterborough showed how to take them.
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  • mendonca said:
    Regarding Washington's miss. I notice when he's in that forward right position (has happened before), he always takes the ball even further to the right and virtually defends his own attack! 

    You don't get better than your forward having a 1on1 to win a game in the 90+ minute of the game. Peterborough showed how to take them.
    We never seem to convert one on ones,Chucks against Rochdale,Ronnie and Washington yesterday,Bogle ( cant remember who against) Other teams playing us dont often miss.
  • We never seem to convert one on ones,Chucks against Rochdale,Ronnie and Washington yesterday,Bogle ( cant remember who against) Other teams playing us dont often miss.
    Defending is more of an issue.
  • Cafc43v3r said:
    You could also argue that the 5 points we have from the last 4 games, with sightly better performances that the previous month or so, could have been 9 or even 10 if the players had a bit more confidence. 

    In both themselves and what they are being asked to do if the confused selections, punishment subs and the all round blame game hadn't happened.

    The year + bad run has happened because Bowyer is doing exactly the opposite of what he did in his 1st 2 years.    Trust the process and success will come.

    The process seems to have been discarded for quite some time, and so have the performances. 
     I do agree Bowyer changed his approach following last season's injuries, you're definitely correct that he seems to have lost faith in what made him a success in the first place, but I guess I'm more forgiving for 2 reasons 
    1: I genuinely believe any other manager, especially one we could afford, would have suffered as badly with the 2 injury crises we've had and the negativity around the club with the lies and the under investment. We were being run into the ground, it takes time for everyone to recover.
    2. More importantly, what I'm seeing on the pitch is us getting better, and playing some good attacking football. We had 18 shots yesterday. 
    So, whilst I do definitely get your argument, this is why he has more time for me. 
  • edited January 2021
    Dazzler21 said:
    Maybe it's a good opportunity to begin to blood in Maynard-Brewer.

    I say No even if Maynard-Brewer didn't have Concussion and has missed the last two matches.

    I thought Amos had a poor game yesterday and has now conceded 3 goals at the valley coming from hard shots from acute angles on his right side. Ben will work on this with the Cafc goalkeeper coach and just like Nick Pope who had the problem with the shot low and at his body, he will sort it out.

    If making mistakes get a Keeper booted out the First team, Lloris, Pickford and David de Gea wouldn't still be their respective number 1's. All 3 do make good saves as well.

    Plus it's really not a good idea to put a young keeper in when the defence in front of him is so flaky.

    Neil Etheridge was a young keeper at Cafc when he found himself between the sticks at Watford. Neil was all at sea for one goal but made a couple of good saves.
    5-0 defeat but could have been 8.

    I got 3 prediction right that day:

    Watford would give us a thumping.
    Etheridge would be the scapegoat. 
    Katherine Meire would get abuse on the train after the game, probably by a fan who  had a skinful.

    Trust me, I was on the train going to Watford and she was opposite,  everyone just ignored her and I said if she travels back with the fans she will get stick.
    Alcohol always loosen tongues.

    Lee Bowyer should carry on with the approach of yesterday, but try to sort out the shape of the team when we are being counter attacked. The CB weren't the problem yesterday but the full backs were.

    We are about to go on a good run !

    And I don't just mean Liam Millar. 
  • I've  been wondering why we didn't cancel Famewo's loan when he got a lengthy injury and brought somebody else in?

  • I say No even if Maynard-Brewer didn't have Concussion and has missed the last two matches.

    I thought Amos had a poor game yesterday and has now conceded 3 goals at the valley coming from hard shots from acute angles on his right side. Ben will work on this with the Cafc goalkeeper coach and just like Nick Pope who had the problem with the shot low and at his body, he will sort it out.

    If making mistakes get a Keeper booted out the First team, Lloris, Pickford and David de Gea wouldn't still be their respective number 1's. All 3 do make good saves as well.

    Plus it's really not a good idea to put a young keeper in when the defence in front of him is so flaky.

    Neil Etheridge was a young keeper at Cafc when he found himself between the sticks at Watford. Neil was all at sea for one goal but made a couple of good saves.
    5-0 defeat but could have been 8.

    I got 3 prediction right that day:

    Watford would give us a thumping.
    Etheridge would be the scapegoat. 
    Katherine Meire would get abuse on the train after the game, probably by a fan who  had a skinful.

    Trust me, I was on the train going to Watford and she was opposite,  everyone just ignored her and I said if she travels back with the fans she will get stick.
    Alcohol loosens tongues.

    Lee Bowyer, carry on with the approach of yesterday, but try to sort out the shape of the team when we are being counter attacked. The CB weren't the problem yesterday but the full backs were.

    We are about to go on a good run !

    And I don't just mean Liam Millar. 
    Amos should have saved the first yesterday and was beaten by a deflection for the second. Overall this season he's done a decent job.

    We've conceded too many goals which are down to a mixture of bad luck, poor defending and poor organisation. Players and management are both culpable.

    If we take our chances scoring won't be an issue but winning games will be difficult unless we stop shipping goals. Let's hope the next couple of games see improved defensive displays.
  • Local lad, came through the ranks, understands our culture, understands the fan base. How many clubs have a local lad as their manager? It's why I was so attached to Curbs and Powell, Charlton men. I don't see how that's hard to get..

    I think he stayed because he felt like this was the right club for him and has us in our best interests.

    As for your third question, luckily according to our expert fan base that's something that will never happen cause he hasn't got a clue allegedly and loses dressing rooms? I'll cross that bridge when it comes to it but I can only assume if that hypothetical situation ever happened we would be in the championship and doing well, leaving us in a better state than what he came in. Can't argue with that but even then I don't think he leaves unless he is asked to or isn't being backed.

    Riga, Peeters, Luzon, Fraeye, Slade. Just a few more reasons why I am happy with the manager who we have. 

    We will go up, I don't care if it's this season or the next, or the next, he will take us up and we will be stronger for it when it happens with a side ready to go up. Why the desperation to get up with a league 1 side and probably come straight back down. I want to go up like Wolves, Sheffield United, Leicester, Southampton, Norwich, Bristol City, Blackburn, us with Powell etc did. Go up with a squad with momentum that is good enough to hold their own in one of the most competitive leagues in the world, not a patch work league 1 team.

    Would people be happier if we did what Wigan, Barnsley and Rotherham have been doing? Constant yo-yoin and sacking the manager mid season. Something I've got no interest in 
    Superb post to wake up and read. Sums it up perfectly for me. 
  • Dazzler21 said:
    2 wins or go for me now.
    We need promotion this season, the situation gets worse next.
    Dazzler21 said:
    Maybe it's a good opportunity to begin to blood in Maynard-Brewer.
    On one page of this thread you say Bowyer has to go if we don’t win next 2 games as need promotion. 

    Next page you’re floating the idea of playing someone with almost no first team experience in goal. 
  • edited January 2021
    I think we have broadly expanded what 'jumping out of a tackle' means. Williams & Maddison pulled their legs out of a 50/50 because they didn't fancy getting whacked. 

    I don't look at Millar's tackle and think that's what's happened, it's not even a 50/50. To me it looks like a winger's attempt at a tackle.

    But can hardly accuse Millar of shirking his defensive duties, bloke was the hardest worker on the pitch yesterday. And he did run back and nick it off people. It was his harrying that forced the passback for the Schwarz chance. 
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  • I say No even if Maynard-Brewer didn't have Concussion and has missed the last two matches.

    I thought Amos had a poor game yesterday and has now conceded 3 goals at the valley coming from hard shots from acute angles on his right side. Ben will work on this with the Cafc goalkeeper coach and just like Nick Pope who had the problem with the shot low and at his body, he will sort it out.

    If making mistakes get a Keeper booted out the First team, Lloris, Pickford and David de Gea wouldn't still be their respective number 1's. All 3 do make good saves as well.

    Plus it's really not a good idea to put a young keeper in when the defence in front of him is so flaky.

    Neil Etheridge was a young keeper at Cafc when he found himself between the sticks at Watford. Neil was all at sea for one goal but made a couple of good saves.
    5-0 defeat but could have been 8.

    I got 3 prediction right that day:

    Watford would give us a thumping.
    Etheridge would be the scapegoat. 
    Katherine Meire would get abuse on the train after the game, probably by a fan who  had a skinful.

    Trust me, I was on the train going to Watford and she was opposite,  everyone just ignored her and I said if she travels back with the fans she will get stick.
    Alcohol always loosen tongues.

    Lee Bowyer should carry on with the approach of yesterday, but try to sort out the shape of the team when we are being counter attacked. The CB weren't the problem yesterday but the full backs were.

    We are about to go on a good run !

    And I don't just mean Liam Millar. 
    Big difference with Pope and Amos. Pope was a kid really and could learn whilst Amos is a seasoned keeper and still hasn’t mastered his trade.
  • Chunes said:
    I agree but I thought our CB pairing today were very good and were untroubled all game. Just a shame Matthews decided to drop a clanger.
    Many got their wish of Matthews at right back .... Gunter is my preferred choice but obviously Pearce pony so he got moved there .
  • Chunes said:
    I think we have broadly expanded what 'jumping out of a tackle' means. Williams & Maddison pulled their legs out of a 50/50 because they didn't fancy getting whacked. 

    I don't look at Millar's tackle and think that's what's happened, it's not even a 50/50. To me it looks like a winger's attempt at a tackle.

    But can hardly accuse Millar of shirking his defensive duties, bloke was the hardest worker on the pitch yesterday. And he did run back and nick it off people. It was his harrying that forced the passback for the Schwarz chance. 
    I think Millar decided not to give a free kick away as very likely that if he put a foot in he probably would have been booked and ended up with a dangerous free kick. Probably the wrong decision but he still had a lot to do to score from that position.
  • Wish I could give you both 100 flags
    Fully agree mate 
  • PWR

    This is the worst league one I can remember and we will finish mid table under bowyer.

    If we have any hopes of going up, bowyer has to go.
  • Those saying the results are not good enough are 100% right. 

    But we’ve definitely improved game by game over the last three games and the shape of the side is starting to look much more settled and familiar. 

    People see ‘bad luck’ as a nothing excuse, but there were so many chances that should / could have been goals, yet we continue to get punished so easily. Matthews and Amos will be hugely disappointed with the mistakes they made for the first.

    Stockley looks like a good edition, Millar is a breath of fresh air, JFC and Deji continued their good form. 

    Hugely frustrating. I know some will see this as rose tinted but I still feel if we win one game, get our strongest team fit and playing consistently, well have the potential to go on a run of getting 24/25 points out of 30. 

    Time is undoubtedly running out though 
    Ifs buts and maybes. We have been losing  week on week for over a year, bar a 7 game run this season.

    We also won the other week against Bristol rovers and we haven’t won since. 
  • J BLOCK said:
    Ifs buts and maybes. We have been losing  week on week for over a year, bar a 7 game run this season.

    We also won the other week against Bristol rovers and we haven’t won since. 
    If buts and maybes? ... yet that is exactly what you are doing! 

    J BLOCK said:
    PWR

    This is the worst league one I can remember and we will finish mid table under bowyer.

    If we have any hopes of going up, bowyer has to go.

  • edited January 2021
    J BLOCK said:
    PWR

    This is the worst league one I can remember and we will finish mid table under bowyer.

    If we have any hopes of going up, bowyer has to go.
    Whats your basis on it being the worst League One that you can remember as I would say its harder

    So many teams down here now that should be challenging... Ipswich, Peterborough, Sunderland, Portsmouth, Hull, Doncaster, Charlton even Wigan should be up there based on past seasons in League One and the fact all have been in the Championship over the last decade 

    Discount the latter and thats still seven teams fighting for six spots, so one team was always going to be guaranteed to be disappointed come May and that was before you threw in the one team that always surprises, in this case Lincoln

    2011/12 was certainly easier as you only had Sheffield United | Wednesday | Huddersfield to worry about
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