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Post-match Thread: Charlton v Gillingham | 13th Feb 2021
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Still room to go lower...MattF said:I'd say gauging the sentiment on here this is about the lowest we've felt, so the good news is we should soon be the plateau of midtable productivity
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Very disappointing afternoon. Gillingham scored twice with well taken long range efforts whilst we were playing better football and hitting the bar and post etc. At 2-2 we didn't move on and take the game. Over the next 15 minutes there seemed to be a lot of misplaced passes, frittered away free kicks and corners and holding off challenges. Then Aneke got sent off, the game went 2-3 and died for us.I thought losing Forster-Caskey weakened us, and was clearly unfortunate. Jaiyesimi looks ok (League One ok, that is) but I don't "get" why we let Williams go, who I think had the edge over him.We're not completely out of the mix yet, but I no one would put money on us going up.2
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Yet then we've got a Manager who has got us out of this League the right way before nowCafc43v3r said:
It's true, but on that basis we shouldn't have sacked any manager ever. Including the ones you didn't like/rate/want. Karel Fraeye would still be manager.ForeverAddickted said:
You do realise the next man could do even worse right?hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
Bowyer isn't working.ForeverAddickted said:
What if Paul Cook doesnt work?cafcsinger said:Come on Charlton, do the right thing and save our season. Get rid and do everything you can to get Paul Cook in.
Its one thing that hasnt been given ANY consideration by the majoity who want Bowyer In or Out
So I'm a bit more prepared to give him more time than others rather than make a knee jerk reaction, yes for me, two months of poor football in his overall performance @ this level is just that.
We've longed for stability at this club, the times we've rushed to sack a Manager at this level has resulted an even longer spell in League One than we'd have liked - So you'll have to excuse me for being on the side of caution.
I long know I wont win any arguments now so will be my last post on this matter... I'm bored of it now, everyone knows my stance, if anyone dont like it or have some pathetic view that Bowyer has something on me, well thats their problem
Of course if we sack Bowyer and win promotion to the Championship this season then I'll be the first to put my hands up and admit I'm wrong (a bit like when I put my hands up the instant we got relegated in July) - If Bowyer goes and we dont return to the Championship for a while, I dont expect anyone with the opposite opinion to do the same10 -
That isn't going to happen. It looks pretty obvious Sandgaard has given Bowyer a target of the play offs, For him to be sacked during this season we will have to be totally out of contention and Sandgaard may want to wait to find a suitable replacement even if we are.
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I don't think there's too many managers out there that could do better. Oshilaja plays well but often doesn't clear his lines emphatically. We have a central midfield that does not consistently win secondary ball. I know Bowyer signed these midfielders, but he also signed Gilbey who seemed to be competitive but has struggled after the injury.
It's no surprise to me that we let loads of great goals in from just outside the box, as we rarely win the secondary ball. With Innis and Famweo, they cleaned their lines effectively and passed out well. Even after periods of good play we get pinned back because no one breaks the play effectively in front of the defence. Pratley just has too much to do. Against Rochdale we got pinned back for a lot of the second half, albeit with them not looking like they could get shots on goal, but the same pattern was there. I'd definitely not get rid of Bowyer, but without Innis or Famweo I think we struggle to make play offs.5 -
Sacking someone after a run of 21 points from 18 games and some dire football and defending in L1 hardly qualifies as a 'knee jerk' reaction. You have to have a few positives to stick with a manager and nobody seems able to make a case at present.ForeverAddickted said:
Yet then we've got a Manager who has got us out of this League the right way before nowCafc43v3r said:
It's true, but on that basis we shouldn't have sacked any manager ever. Including the ones you didn't like/rate/want. Karel Fraeye would still be manager.ForeverAddickted said:
You do realise the next man could do even worse right?hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
Bowyer isn't working.ForeverAddickted said:
What if Paul Cook doesnt work?cafcsinger said:Come on Charlton, do the right thing and save our season. Get rid and do everything you can to get Paul Cook in.
Its one thing that hasnt been given ANY consideration by the majoity who want Bowyer In or Out
So I'm a bit more prepared to give him more time than others rather than make a knee jerk reaction, yes for me, two months of poor football in his overall performance @ this level is just that.
We've longed for stability at this club, the times we've rushed to sack a Manager at this level has resulted an even longer spell in League One than we'd have liked - So you'll have to excuse me for being on the side of caution.
I long know I wont win any arguments now so will be my last post on this matter... I'm bored of it now, everyone knows my stance, if anyone dont like it or have some pathetic view that Bowyer has something on me, well thats their problem
Of course if we sack Bowyer and win promotion to the Championship this season then I'll be the first to put my hands up and admit I'm wrong (a bit like when I put my hands up the instant we got relegated in July) - If Bowyer goes and we dont return to the Championship for a while, I dont expect anyone with the opposite opinion to do the same
What he did back in 2018/19 is not a reason to persevere with him indefinitely.
I think TS will give him until the end of the season so let's hope things improve.
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Surely that's a typo from @LouisMend
Bowyer cannot possibly have said overachieving?
EDIT: Just seen Benjy's post as well. Unbelievable.1 -
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I think the big issue is that these mistakes and poor performances keep happening. Teams arent playing out of there skin to beat us and yet they still do, without a wimper from us at times.ForeverAddickted said:
Yet then we've got a Manager who has got us out of this League the right way before nowCafc43v3r said:
It's true, but on that basis we shouldn't have sacked any manager ever. Including the ones you didn't like/rate/want. Karel Fraeye would still be manager.ForeverAddickted said:
You do realise the next man could do even worse right?hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
Bowyer isn't working.ForeverAddickted said:
What if Paul Cook doesnt work?cafcsinger said:Come on Charlton, do the right thing and save our season. Get rid and do everything you can to get Paul Cook in.
Its one thing that hasnt been given ANY consideration by the majoity who want Bowyer In or Out
So I'm a bit more prepared to give him more time than others rather than make a knee jerk reaction, yes for me, two months of poor football in his overall performance @ this level is just that.
We've longed for stability at this club, the times we've rushed to sack a Manager at this level has resulted an even longer spell in League One than we'd have liked - So you'll have to excuse me for being on the side of caution.
I long know I wont win any arguments now so will be my last post on this matter... I'm bored of it now, everyone knows my stance, if anyone dont like it or have some pathetic view that Bowyer has something on me, well thats their problem
Of course if we sack Bowyer and win promotion to the Championship this season then I'll be the first to put my hands up and admit I'm wrong (a bit like when I put my hands up the instant we got relegated in July) - If Bowyer goes and we dont return to the Championship for a while, I dont expect anyone with the opposite opinion to do the same
Your loyalty to Bowyer is admirable and what hes done is fantastic but can you honestly say he is getting the best out of these players? That his tactics are more right than wrong?
This squad on paper is easily good enough to make play offs at least so where is it falling down? At the end of the day, any manager would be in trouble now.
I agree we need stability but we also need to see progression, signs of things on the up. If anything this team are regressing.
It just isnt good enough.
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They also lost to Burton last week. Some strange / unexpected results in this league.Oggy Red said:
Hull City have lost 9 games also - and they are 2nd.Rob7Lee said:
It really is a crap league, no one has lost less than 5 (Sunderland) and it should have been a decent year to make a go for the top two, but sadly I don't see us even making the play offs (but is still possible of course) and we're set for another year in this god awful league.
Managed to lose at home to MK today, as well.
In our 11/12 promotion season we lost 9 games in total.1 -
17 points in 15 games......0
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With TS now our owner, I really hope this is the last ever season that we need to talk about possibly finishing in mid-table league 1.12
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If the players are consistently playing at that level, I suggest that that is their level rather than them playing below their level.Greenie said:How on earth can anyone blame the manager for that performance, when players consistently play below their ability level, it’s down to them. We didn’t close them down in our final third, they scored two cracking goals and we gave them the third.
We hit the post and the bar in the first twenty minutes and Chuks should not have been dismissed, but all the supporters saying Bow should go need to have a little think...4 -
We were worth a point but until we have our missing central defenders back this goal leaking will continue.
one of their Goals was a wonder strike.
the Referee was a total ARSEHOLE.
this team will struggle to stay top six without its defenders back !!0 -
I hope so too.CAFCTrev said:With TS now our owner, I really hope this is the last ever season that we need to talk about possibly finishing in mid-table league 1.
Lets also remember TS needs to prove himself as well. We have had plenty of owners who we jumped on at the start and turned out not as expected.A few pics strumming a guitar and playing Valley Floyd Road does not a great owner make.
Looking forward to seeing the summer plans whoever is in charge0 -
I’m a Bowyer fan and would not want him sacked. But how on earth he could be so upbeat in his post-match interview, I don’t know. My chin would have been on the floor after that display.1
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Rescuing the club from certain administration, from a legal turmoil most people would never consider touching?DamoNorthStand said:
I hope so too.CAFCTrev said:With TS now our owner, I really hope this is the last ever season that we need to talk about possibly finishing in mid-table league 1.
Lets also remember TS needs to prove himself as well. We have had plenty of owners who we jumped on at the start and turned out not as expected.A few pics strumming a guitar and playing Valley Floyd Road does not a great owner make.
Looking forward to seeing the summer plans whoever is in charge15 -
The thing about that stat of 21 points from 18 games is that we should also take into account the level of opposition:
Beat- Ipswich, Wimbledon. MK Dons, Bristol Rovers & Rochdale
Drew against - Gillingham, Shrewsbury, Swindon (twice), Plymouth & Rochdale
Lost to - Burton, MK Dons, Hull, Accrington, Peterborough, Portsmouth & Gillingham
The ones in bold are in the bottom half of the table so only 6 of those games were against teams in the top half. Our run in is very difficult.3 - Sponsored links:
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Agree, we've been burned more often than not with owners. He's saying all the right things but that needs to translate into our league stature actually improving.DamoNorthStand said:
I hope so too.CAFCTrev said:With TS now our owner, I really hope this is the last ever season that we need to talk about possibly finishing in mid-table league 1.
Lets also remember TS needs to prove himself as well. We have had plenty of owners who we jumped on at the start and turned out not as expected.A few pics strumming a guitar and playing Valley Floyd Road does not a great owner make.
Looking forward to seeing the summer plans whoever is in charge1 -
I look forward to the same excuse about the missing CBs being trotted out in 2030...1968CAFC said:We were worth a point but until we have our missing central defenders back this goal leaking will continue.
one of their Goals was a wonder strike.
the Referee was a total ARSEHOLE.
this team will struggle to stay top six without its defenders back !!3 -
I would argue that it isn't. Every single player, probably bar Millar and arguably Aneke, has performed at a much higher level recently. Including some under Bowyer.MrOneLung said:
If the players are consistently playing at that level, I suggest that that is their level rather than them playing below their level.Greenie said:How on earth can anyone blame the manager for that performance, when players consistently play below their ability level, it’s down to them. We didn’t close them down in our final third, they scored two cracking goals and we gave them the third.
We hit the post and the bar in the first twenty minutes and Chuks should not have been dismissed, but all the supporters saying Bow should go need to have a little think...
Is Purrington playing as well as 2 years ago? Are Pearce, Pratley, Watson and Matthews playing at the level they did in 2019? Is Amos the keeper he was just 3 or 4 months ago?
Final question if you swapped the managers round which team would have won today?
(For ballance I would rather shit on my hands and clap then have Evans as manager)0 -
Our difficult run in is what gives us a chance. But we certainly have to improve and the question that Thomas should sit down and think about is whether that improvement will most likely come from Bowyer or somebody else.Addick Addict said:The thing about that stat of 21 points from 18 games is that we should also take into account the level of opposition:
Beat- Ipswich, Wimbledon. MK Dons, Bristol Rovers & Rochdale
Drew against - Gillingham, Shrewsbury, Swindon (twice), Plymouth & Rochdale
Lost to - Burton, MK Dons, Hull, Accrington, Peterborough, Portsmouth & Gillingham
The ones in bold are in the bottom half of the table so only 6 of those games were against teams in the top half. Our run in is very difficult.0 -
MattF said:I'd say gauging the sentiment on here this is about the lowest we've felt, so the good news is we should soon be on the plateau of midtable productivity
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Yet another crap team has come to the Valley and scored goals.
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Anyone else feel like they've had the stuffing knocked out of them after watching another defeat ?
I honestly don't know whether to laugh or cry .....
We all SO look forward to our matches - the highlight of our week as such - only to feel totally depressed, angry, frustrated and let down yet again.
You'd think we'd know better by now but results, as well as poor performances, continue to kick us in the teeth.
If only SOMEONE could put their finger on where it's all going pear shaped....Is it a squad of players not fit for purpose in L1? Is it poor tactics /coaching ? Is it players not implementing decent tactics once a game begins? Has the gaffer run out of ideas ? Or is it our fault that our current expectations are set too high following the nightmeire years of ownership & beyond ?
Surely, in this day & age, there must be an algorithm out there for our coaches to use ? The definition of this is " a set of instructions designed to perform a specific task". Additionally " This can be a simple process....." But, I guess the involvement of human beings has to be factored in when it comes to football, or at least, Charlton !
The question on the lips of thousands of Addicks is when will this change for the better as it must ?
Answers on a pc to " Deflated Fanny".
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Well where else are we supposed to go, it is our ground?Valiantphil said:Yet another crap team has come to the Valley and scored goals.3 -
When you look at who we have played in those 18 games it makes our run look even worse.MuttleyCAFC said:
Our difficult run in is what gives us a chance. But we certainly have to improve and the question that Thomas should sit down and think about is whether that improvement will most likely come from Bowyer or somebody else.Addick Addict said:The thing about that stat of 21 points from 18 games is that we should also take into account the level of opposition:
Beat- Ipswich, Wimbledon. MK Dons, Bristol Rovers & Rochdale
Drew against - Gillingham, Shrewsbury, Swindon (twice), Plymouth & Rochdale
Lost to - Burton, MK Dons, Hull, Accrington, Peterborough, Portsmouth & Gillingham
The ones in bold are in the bottom half of the table so only 6 of those games were against teams in the top half. Our run in is very difficult.0 -
Our defending just outside the box is non existent hence so many goals from that area. We pack the box with players but ignore the two or three players hovering just outside the area. If I can see that don’t understand why Bowyer and Jacko can’t!8
