Painful and I thought we looked vulnerable to Wimbledon’s energetic efforts all game
as a pp said and after dumping Pratson last week I’m now part of the Watson fan club , he offers that much more stability to us and he would have offered Famewo an out ball (admittedly Watson would have prolly then passed it to a Wimbledon player to score, not really ) as a keeper at the end of my footballing career due to dodgy legs I had half a brain and I’d have been screaming my nut off at the centre half to ‘clear it ,clear it, fucking clear it you Cnut ‘ getting louder as the attacker was getting towards him .
Anyway fuck all that shitness, I just love listening to Curbs 😍 views on it all, it really is the highlight . I actually would have preferred JJ and a helping hand from Curbs to be our way forward but
we’ve got NA who has just never inspired me but is far too early to judge and we got the beige new manager bounce I expected . Let’s hope he has the Midas touch to inspire some sort of miraculous rally in performance levels .
15% play offs ( This is just in case some clever dick sees my numbers on the are we getting promoted thread, which are too high, I’m a fraud trying to spin positivity amongst Charlton fans) 65% 7th-12th 20% bottom half
Bowyer would’ve been ripped to shreds on here if he came out at full time and said he switched from a formation that had got us in front and was causing the opposition lots of problems to one which was primarily aimed at nullifying something that the opposition was doing, and at the time had failed to manifest any discernible threat.
It was a very strange move.
Being an obsessive character I can't get this out of my head. Why change tactics when you are 2-1 ahead when it was clear that Millar and DJ were causing Wimbledon problems down the wings ? All 3 midfielders were passing quite well, ok Morgan and JFC will over hit some of their passes but overall we looked dangerous going forward. Shinnie like JFC has no pace but does have skill. Being hit on the break will continue to be a problem this season as we now need to win matches as opposed to a draw.
Are we so unfit that we can only play for 45 minutes ? Sometimes 1st half, sometimes 2nd. We are never in control of a game for more than 20 minute sections.
I welcomed Nigel Adkins and JJ as his assistant. But JJ should have made the calls today. Taking over with one training session and watching one match on Valley pass can't prepare you for the shock of managing a team where at least one players gets injured most matches and the rest struggle to play with any consistency. Nads could've called the shots on Good Friday after two weeks on the training ground. Charlton luck, that the man on form Conor Washington gets injured in the first couple of minutes.
I know Millar is an enigma but I predicted he was going to be MOM at KO on the match thread because I thought he would get 2 assists and a goal in a 3-1 win. My crystal ball only worked for the 1st half yesterday just like our players ! He got the 2 assists then he played down the middle where it was crowded and we relied on full backs getting forward which resulted in Wimbledon breaking on Charlton as we lost our shape. After yet another gift we were just trying not to lose. The team this season is one of the most frustrating I have every seen since I first started coming to Cafc at 10 years old after being taken to the Den by my cruel Dad when I was a kid. (Lovely man really and still going strong)
I always give players 100% support during a game but I'm desperate to enjoy a game where we stop being so effing charitable to the opposition.
Sort this out Nige and Johnnie and you have a chance to be not only be two smashing blokes but winners as well.
I fear that won't happen until next season unfortunately when we will still be playing Fleetwood and not Fulham (assuming they drop)
On playing out from the back I like how Adkins appears to see it - do it when you can but accept there at times when you can’t.
Important to find the balance between football that’s good to watch and playing in a way that gets results.
This is exactly right. I think you can probably find one or two times every game where Amos passes short from a goal kick to a player who is closed down and then he gets the ball back and has to make a rushed clearance. Sometimes to a heart in the mouth extent! It is creating a risk that is avoidable and in all honesty should have been nipped in the bud before.
Agree.
Even when Dillon was in goal and on top of his form we over did the pass backs and Phillips kicking was a weak part of his game. Watch the highlights of games and certain keepers are giving gifts away. Even Premier keepers like Leno and Allison. Shocking from Young Famewo but no awareness from Ben Amos to see the danger. I can't keep holding my breath every time we do this.
Reading some of the post match stuff, I’m a bit concerned about the assistant manager thing. Adkins has always worked with Crosby but has been told to come in and work with JJ and Bowyer’s backroom set-up.
Didn’t we do similar with Dowie?
Not sure that works.
Thomas is so positive but I think sometimes gets it a bit wrong. The apology to the fan yesterday and JJ staying at all costs.
Early days, I know.
Not ITK but I’m expecting some back room changes over the coming months.
JJ could go in the summer if they all agree it’s the right thing to do. On the other hand he may start applying for managerial positions and leave if an opportunity comes up, a former club like Colchester might appeal for example.
The international break is timely. Will give the new manager time to bed in properly.
Thought there was one tactical change too many yesterday. The early one was due to necessity and it worked well. We really should have gone in at half time 3 or 4-1 up. We were playing to strengths and Miller and Maasten may finally be sussing out how to stay out of each others' way (something they will have to master if they have pretentions of playing at premier level). Midfield unit was ticking nicely and DJ suddenly looks a good acquisition.
The second half was a bit of a nightmare. Yet more calamities at the back. There have been some bad ones this year but that was a humdinger. We are seeing it at every level (Arsenal had a classic last week) but due to rule change this passing around in the box is becoming a regular feature and recipe for disaster. I think it also has something to do with the empty stadiums. If players started messing around in the box in front of a crowd, the fans would be screaming for them to clear the bloody ball up the pitch.
The tactical changes in last half hour were as bad as anything Bow every did. Take off the speed merchants and put on another big front man and a negative midfielder. Rubbish. The good managers we have had always had a winger on the bench to bring on to add pace on the break and carry the game into the opposition half. Instead our tiring midfield was nearly overrun while the front men did nothing of note. Hope this is just a blip and the new manager will sort it once he gets to know his players.
On playing out from the back I like how Adkins appears to see it - do it when you can but accept there at times when you can’t.
Important to find the balance between football that’s good to watch and playing in a way that gets results.
I like this approach from Adkins. I could be wrong, but I always got the impression with Bow that he was one of those 'my way or the highway' type managers. I'd far rather have a manager who encouraged his players to think for themselves.
I saw an article on Twitter from the Sun about TS telling Adkins he’s already booked his tickets for the play off final. I do hope that’s a ‘we can do this’ positive thinking approaches rather than an expectancy on TS’ part. I’m sure it’s the former because if he expects this lot to get in the play offs he’s in for disappointment come May
Stockley done well to block the keepers view for DJ’s shot
I liked three way DJ stopped his run then moved back in to position. It gave him the space to take a good touch before shooting.
Great ball from JFC and then run and pass from Millar too.
Not seen enough moves like that from us this season. It was something we had in the promotion team, especially when we had Grant and Taylor up front. I like us being able to mix things up - being a passing team who go more direct in to the space when teams push up.
Reading some of the post match stuff, I’m a bit concerned about the assistant manager thing. Adkins has always worked with Crosby but has been told to come in and work with JJ and Bowyer’s backroom set-up.
Didn’t we do similar with Dowie?
Not sure that works.
Thomas is so positive but I think sometimes gets it a bit wrong. The apology to the fan yesterday and JJ staying at all costs.
Early days, I know.
Crosby only signed a contract with Port Vale a week and half ago, not like we’re going to spend money on buying him out of it. It’s only until the end of the season, so I expect Adkins will move to bring Crosby in then.
Still replaying that pass forward by Pratley to Shinnie that went behind of, and to the wrong side of him in the final minutes. Vintage stuff
If ever a man was only comfortable playing the a ball sideways or backwards, it’s him.
This. I'm sick and tired of watching him. Pratley doesn't offer anything to us anymore. He's been useful the past couple of seasons, but his leadership is a joke (red cards) for a senior pro, and his total lack of ability on the ball completely fucks our midfield's attacking capability.
We put a run of three wins together and we are right in it. Play Offs are still possible but something has to change. But it could be a minor tweak. It could be dependent on Inniss coming back and how up to speed he is. We shouldn't be giving up on them as many of the teams around us are not pulling up any trees.
Not sure why people are so quick to blame Jackson for the formation switch, I must have missed the announcement where he was made manager?
It was Adkins’ decision to switch to diamond, he said so in the post-match interview. It apparently worked, stopping their holding midfielder get time on the ball. Even if it was someone else’s idea, he’s paid to make the final decision - a man of his experience should know better than to tinker with 5 different formations during a game. I hope it was him just getting a feel for what the players are capable of in a real match environment.
I like Adkins but let’s not throw Jackson under the bus because we’re desperate for Adkins to be a success.
Not sure why people are so quick to blame Jackson for the formation switch, I must have missed the announcement where he was made manager?
It was Adkins’ decision to switch to diamond, he said so in the post-match interview. It apparently worked, stopping their holding midfielder get time on the ball. Even if it was someone else’s idea, he’s paid to make the final decision - a man of his experience should know better than to tinker with 5 different formations during a game. I hope it was him just getting a feel for what the players are capable of in a real match environment.
I like Adkins but let’s not throw Jackson under the bus because we’re desperate for Adkins to be a success.
Don’t think Adkins had much to do with anything yesterday ..
If we are in League One next season I hope we sign Piggott.
Don't you think this team does enough horsing around already?
Joe Pigott is carrying more weight now than when he was in the Cafc stable. He is stronger and can now go the extra mile. Maybe the new trainer helped or he has just matured and now knows how to Jockey for a better position. He can go on all ground now and despite not being Good enough for Lester city, Pigott is more than capable of a jump up to a higher rating than he holds at present. Not blessed with pace but he is a stayer. In a gallop poll Pigott was voted the forward other League one clubs would like.
I could see a new owner for Joe if he performs well in the Selling stakes at Doncaster.
Take charge on 18th, draw on 21st - "clueless, sh!t tactics"
Months of weird teams and tactics - "Just been unlucky"
Been poor at the back all season, wasn't really expecting that change over the course of 3 days. Improvements in the attack, same old story at the back, just stumbling to the end of the season really.
Not sure why people are so quick to blame Jackson for the formation switch, I must have missed the announcement where he was made manager?
It was Adkins’ decision to switch to diamond, he said so in the post-match interview. It apparently worked, stopping their holding midfielder get time on the ball. Even if it was someone else’s idea, he’s paid to make the final decision - a man of his experience should know better than to tinker with 5 different formations during a game. I hope it was him just getting a feel for what the players are capable of in a real match environment.
I like Adkins but let’s not throw Jackson under the bus because we’re desperate for Adkins to be a success.
Don’t think Adkins had much to do with anything yesterday ..
He’s the manager and is in charge of the team and tactics.
What I’m saying is that it’s a combined effort that he’s in charge of. I’m cautious of fans starting the blame game where certain members of staff are at fault when we lose/draw but there’s no mention of them when we win.
The goalkeeper should be able to use his initiative when passing out from the back and sometimes choose the better option.
I don’t think many of our players have initiative. We’ve seen it all season, far too many poor decisions all over the pitch, with and without the ball, as well as an inability to adapt in game to changing tactics etc. We either start well with plan A and fade as the opposition counteracts it, or plan A doesn’t work and we flounder until a halftime change improves us but usually that is short lived as the opposition adjusts again. I just don’t think we have many tactically savvy players. They either can’t or haven’t been allowed to think for themselves during the match. We definitely lack football intelligence as a team.
Not sure why people are so quick to blame Jackson for the formation switch, I must have missed the announcement where he was made manager?
It was Adkins’ decision to switch to diamond, he said so in the post-match interview. It apparently worked, stopping their holding midfielder get time on the ball. Even if it was someone else’s idea, he’s paid to make the final decision - a man of his experience should know better than to tinker with 5 different formations during a game. I hope it was him just getting a feel for what the players are capable of in a real match environment.
I like Adkins but let’s not throw Jackson under the bus because we’re desperate for Adkins to be a success.
Don’t think Adkins had much to do with anything yesterday ..
He’s the manager and is in charge of the team and tactics.
What I’m saying is that it’s a combined effort that he’s in charge of. I’m cautious of fans starting the blame game where certain members of staff are at fault when we lose/draw but there’s no mention of them when we win.
Think we need to remember that Adkins has had 2 training sessions with the team. Defensively we haven’t been very good for about 14 / 15 months now. I’m not suggesting it’s all down to Jackson - you can take a horse to water but you can’t make them drink it...In other words if the defenders don’t listen or don’t do the job on the pitch it’s down to them. We have given more shockers away this season than any other season I can remember. In an ideal world Jackson would look after the midfield - we need goals from that area and Jackson is the ideal person to work on that part of the team. Defensively we need somebody in to sort. The worrying thing for me is that Pearce and Gunter have over 1000 games under their belts and they look like amateurs.
The only bad thing about the change of manager is I fear Adkins may not bring Inniss straight back. He is vital to us in most boxes and should be an automatic choice. Hopefully he excels in training and JJ tells Adkins about that 7 game run with Famewo/Inniss at the back.
Sod the faffing around, he should have played yesterday. Muck and bullets game right up his street. Who cares if he misses the rest of the season by taking a chance, there are only 9 games left.
Whilst commenting. Amos beggars belief with his positioning. As someone said earlier, his positioning prior to Pigott hitting the post was ridiculous. Pigott really should have scored, then Amos would rightly have got pelters.
Not sure why people are so quick to blame Jackson for the formation switch, I must have missed the announcement where he was made manager?
It was Adkins’ decision to switch to diamond, he said so in the post-match interview. It apparently worked, stopping their holding midfielder get time on the ball. Even if it was someone else’s idea, he’s paid to make the final decision - a man of his experience should know better than to tinker with 5 different formations during a game. I hope it was him just getting a feel for what the players are capable of in a real match environment.
I like Adkins but let’s not throw Jackson under the bus because we’re desperate for Adkins to be a success.
Don’t think Adkins had much to do with anything yesterday ..
He’s the manager and is in charge of the team and tactics.
What I’m saying is that it’s a combined effort that he’s in charge of. I’m cautious of fans starting the blame game where certain members of staff are at fault when we lose/draw but there’s no mention of them when we win.
Think we need to remember that Adkins has had 2 training sessions with the team. Defensively we haven’t been very good for about 14 / 15 months now. I’m not suggesting it’s all down to Jackson - you can take a horse to water but you can’t make them drink it...In other words if the defenders don’t listen or don’t do the job on the pitch it’s down to them. We have given more shockers away this season than any other season I can remember. In an ideal world Jackson would look after the midfield - we need goals from that area and Jackson is the ideal person to work on that part of the team. Defensively we need somebody in to sort. The worrying thing for me is that Pearce and Gunter have over 1000 games under their belts and they look like amateurs.
Don't understand why we do not have a specialist defensive coach and why JJ is in charge of them. The lack of consistent performance by the defence is the reason I don't think Jackson was/is currently ready for management.
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as a keeper at the end of my footballing career due to dodgy legs I had half a brain and I’d have been screaming my nut off at the centre half to ‘clear it ,clear it, fucking clear it you Cnut ‘ getting louder as the attacker was getting towards him .
I actually would have preferred JJ and a helping hand from Curbs to be our way forward but
15% play offs ( This is just in case some clever dick sees my numbers on the are we getting promoted thread, which are too high, I’m a fraud trying to spin positivity amongst Charlton fans)
65% 7th-12th
20% bottom half
Being an obsessive character I can't get this out of my head. Why change tactics when you are 2-1 ahead when it was clear that Millar and DJ were causing Wimbledon problems down the wings ? All 3 midfielders were passing quite well, ok Morgan and JFC will over hit some of their passes but overall we looked dangerous going forward. Shinnie like JFC has no pace but does have skill. Being hit on the break will continue to be a problem this season as we now need to win matches as opposed to a draw.
Are we so unfit that we can only play for 45 minutes ? Sometimes 1st half, sometimes 2nd. We are never in control of a game for more than 20 minute sections.
I welcomed Nigel Adkins and JJ as his assistant. But JJ should have made the calls today. Taking over with one training session and watching one match on Valley pass can't prepare you for the shock of managing a team where at least one players gets injured most matches and the rest struggle to play with any consistency.
Nads could've called the shots on Good Friday after two weeks on the training ground.
Charlton luck, that the man on form Conor Washington gets injured in the first couple of minutes.
I know Millar is an enigma but I predicted he was going to be MOM at KO on the match thread because I thought he would get 2 assists and a goal in a 3-1 win. My crystal ball only worked for the 1st half yesterday just like our players ! He got the 2 assists then he played down the middle where it was crowded and we relied on full backs getting forward which resulted in Wimbledon breaking on Charlton as we lost our shape.
After yet another gift we were just trying not to lose.
The team this season is one of the most frustrating I have every seen since I first started coming to Cafc at 10 years old after being taken to the Den by my cruel Dad when I was a kid.
(Lovely man really and still going strong)
I always give players 100% support during a game but I'm desperate to enjoy a game where we stop being so effing charitable to the opposition.
Sort this out Nige and Johnnie and you have a chance to be not only be two smashing blokes but winners as well.
I fear that won't happen until next season unfortunately when we will still be playing Fleetwood and not Fulham (assuming they drop)
I know Bowyer said there was nobody out there, but could be an option for Adkins if he thinks someone can improve us?
Agree.
Even when Dillon was in goal and on top of his form we over did the pass backs and Phillips kicking was a weak part of his game.
Watch the highlights of games and certain keepers are giving gifts away. Even Premier keepers like Leno and Allison.
Shocking from Young Famewo but no awareness from Ben Amos to see the danger.
I can't keep holding my breath every time we do this.
JJ could go in the summer if they all agree it’s the right thing to do. On the other hand he may start applying for managerial positions and leave if an opportunity comes up, a former club like Colchester might appeal for example.
Thought there was one tactical change too many yesterday. The early one was due to necessity and it worked well. We really should have gone in at half time 3 or 4-1 up. We were playing to strengths and Miller and Maasten may finally be sussing out how to stay out of each others' way (something they will have to master if they have pretentions of playing at premier level). Midfield unit was ticking nicely and DJ suddenly looks a good acquisition.
The second half was a bit of a nightmare. Yet more calamities at the back. There have been some bad ones this year but that was a humdinger. We are seeing it at every level (Arsenal had a classic last week) but due to rule change this passing around in the box is becoming a regular feature and recipe for disaster. I think it also has something to do with the empty stadiums. If players started messing around in the box in front of a crowd, the fans would be screaming for them to clear the bloody ball up the pitch.
The tactical changes in last half hour were as bad as anything Bow every did. Take off the speed merchants and put on another big front man and a negative midfielder. Rubbish. The good managers we have had always had a winger on the bench to bring on to add pace on the break and carry the game into the opposition half. Instead our tiring midfield was nearly overrun while the front men did nothing of note. Hope this is just a blip and the new manager will sort it once he gets to know his players.
expectancy on TS’ part. I’m sure it’s the former because if he expects this lot to get in the play offs he’s in for disappointment come May
Great ball from JFC and then run and pass from Millar too.
Not seen enough moves like that from us this season. It was something we had in the promotion team, especially when we had Grant and Taylor up front. I like us being able to mix things up - being a passing team who go more direct in to the space when teams push up.
Crosby only signed a contract with Port Vale a week and half ago, not like we’re going to spend money on buying him out of it. It’s only until the end of the season, so I expect Adkins will move to bring Crosby in then.
Joe Pigott is carrying more weight now than when he was in the Cafc stable.
He is stronger and can now go the extra mile. Maybe the new trainer helped or he has just matured and now knows how to Jockey for a better position. He can go on all ground now and despite not being Good enough for Lester city, Pigott is more than capable of a jump up to a higher rating than he holds at present. Not blessed with pace but he is a stayer.
In a gallop poll Pigott was voted the forward other League one clubs would like.
I could see a new owner for Joe if he performs well in the Selling stakes at Doncaster.
Months of weird teams and tactics - "Just been unlucky"
Been poor at the back all season, wasn't really expecting that change over the course of 3 days. Improvements in the attack, same old story at the back, just stumbling to the end of the season really.
What I’m saying is that it’s a combined effort that he’s in charge of. I’m cautious of fans starting the blame game where certain members of staff are at fault when we lose/draw but there’s no mention of them when we win.
Sod the faffing around, he should have played yesterday. Muck and bullets game right up his street. Who cares if he misses the rest of the season by taking a chance, there are only 9 games left.
Whilst commenting. Amos beggars belief with his positioning. As someone said earlier, his positioning prior to Pigott hitting the post was ridiculous. Pigott really should have scored, then Amos would rightly have got pelters.