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Post-match Thread: Charlton v Ipswich | Sat 17 April 2021 | 12:30pm
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It wasn't a great game, but we weren't terrible. We did enough to win it IMO.1
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Too busy preparing for the royal funeral I assume?Leuth said:First game this season I've completely missed. Looks like I've played a blinder tbh1 -
I'm also a bit frustrated we didn't bring on Shinnie/Schwartz, but Nigel gave his reasoning. That we were on top and he didn't want to unbalance that and lose momentum.
We easily could have scored in that last 15 or so, and then the post match analysis would have been different. I think Adkins generally thought we were favorites for a winning goal, and a draw wasn't the end of the world. A loss would have been.
Hopefully on Tuesday we'll have a couple back to mix things up.1 -
Adkins talks a good game but to fair to the fella until he signs his own players we can't really judge him too harshly based on a team that he's inherited and where some individual players are simply not good enough.
Crazy though how a play off place is still possible but I see Ronnie getting a game on Tuesday and a few others based on the gaffers views after the match about a couple who might struggle to be fit.
When LB was in full nuclear meltdown mode with the players I would have bitten your arm off for a play off chance with six to go.
Let's see where it goes.... You never know they might surprise us.... But probably not! 🤣
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Paul Cook saying about his star forward James Norwood coming off with a hamstring injury.ForeverAddickted said:
Hamstring ..... ? That could be the end of his season.
Anyway, serves Norwood right for having a Palace name.
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The game was crying out for someone to either score or create a goal.
On comes Watson3 -
But that is exactly my point. It’s not what has happened.MuttleyCAFC said:
It is the narrative because it is what has happened. We all wish Bowyer well at Birmingham and now we should focus on us. We have a strong chance of reaching the play offs and when we get in those, we can win them.Exiled_Addick said:
Yes but the narrative on here is that the change of manager has rescued our season and turned everything around, but I don’t think performances and stats really back that narrative up.charltonbob said:
But bowyer walked outExiled_Addick said:I’m sure it’ll be an unpopular opinion, but 4 games into the Adkins era and, apart from picking a settled side, I honestly don’t feel I’ve seen much improvement on what we were doing under Bowyer. He’ll get no credit now, but this unbeaten run was already well underway way under Bowyer.
We’ve been decent away and poor at how all season and it was the same again today.Defensively decent but we could’ve played all night and it’s still be 0-0. I thought Ipswich were poor, and particularly looked vulnerable in the first half, but we really failed to take any advantage of it.
I still see no reason to think we are good enough to be promoted to even if we do make the playoffs.
Not particularly impressed with Adkins’ lack of action from the bench today either.Could’ve been worse but not where I’d like us to be either.Adkins talks a good game but so far hasn’t really changed much. Things were either better under Bowyer than some would say or not as significantly better under Adkins as some would say. I’m not writing Adkins off or anything, just voicing my opinion how things stand right now.0 -
The Referee was a total wanker as so many have been in this league.
but IF we had a proper Striker today we would have won 2-0.
this team will struggle to leave this league without a decent striker !!1 -
Thats bad luck for Norwood, both times he's played us this season he's come off with a hamstring problemOggy Red said:
Paul Cook saying about his star forward James Norwood coming off with a hamstring injury.ForeverAddickted said:
Hamstring ..... ? That could be the end of his season.
Anyway, serves Norwood right for having a Palace name.
Didnt even see it happen, was initially surprised when they took him off1 -
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Yeah, reading that report, they say Norwood's been struggling with it on and off throughout the season.ForeverAddickted said:
Thats bad luck for Norwood, both times he's played us this season he's come off with a hamstring problemOggy Red said:
Paul Cook saying about his star forward James Norwood coming off with a hamstring injury.ForeverAddickted said:
Hamstring ..... ? That could be the end of his season.
Anyway, serves Norwood right for having a Palace name.
Didnt even see it happen, was initially surprised when they took him off
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Nige said it after the match that the choices of change or not, switch the formation or not is all part of the game, and he looked like he was happy with a point, and a clean sheet, and as he says, we keep going, but we were at home ffs, and we were second fiddle for a good part of the game to a team who had just lost 3-0 midweek.
Ipswich played like they wanted to win, indeed needed to win, while we were more intent to not lose, and i suppose the result wasn't as terrible with Portsmouth losing, and leaves us in a position of our own destiny, so we go again Tuesday at Plymouth, and really a win at all costs game, hopefully Chuks may be ok, and be good to see Schwartz given a chance, let's see.1 -
We wouldn’t have the half chance of playoffs now, if bowyer was still with us. The players weren’t playing for him, fact.Adkins is picking up the pieces of a shit job done by bowyer.Exiled_Addick said:
Yes but the narrative on here is that the change of manager has rescued our season and turned everything around, but I don’t think performances and stats really back that narrative up.charltonbob said:
But bowyer walked outExiled_Addick said:I’m sure it’ll be an unpopular opinion, but 4 games into the Adkins era and, apart from picking a settled side, I honestly don’t feel I’ve seen much improvement on what we were doing under Bowyer. He’ll get no credit now, but this unbeaten run was already well underway way under Bowyer.
We’ve been decent away and poor at how all season and it was the same again today.Defensively decent but we could’ve played all night and it’s still be 0-0. I thought Ipswich were poor, and particularly looked vulnerable in the first half, but we really failed to take any advantage of it.
I still see no reason to think we are good enough to be promoted to even if we do make the playoffs.
Not particularly impressed with Adkins’ lack of action from the bench today either.Could’ve been worse but not where I’d like us to be either.Adkins talks a good game but so far hasn’t really changed much. Things were either better under Bowyer than some would say or not as significantly better under Adkins as some would say. I’m not writing Adkins off or anything, just voicing my opinion how things stand right now.5 -
The problem with Schwartz is I'm not sure our game matches up with his. He seems to run around without impacting on the game at all. I wouldn't have risked putting him on as it could have had a negative impact. But there wasn't a lot of options.1
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He’s a box player, we don’t put quality balls into the box.nor clever defence splitting chances ,so no he doesn’t fit our team. But do feel for him as I think in the right team he’d be ok.MuttleyCAFC said:The problem with Schwartz is I'm not sure our game matches up with his. He seems to run around without impacting on the game at all. I wouldn't have risked putting him on as it could have had a negative impact. But there wasn't a lot of options.3 -
I agree. But you can see why Adkins didn't change things. The only thing I would have done was bring on Shinnie. He could have had an impact. But whilst we weren't knocking the door down, we were looking the most likely as the game went on.paulfox said:
He’s a box player, we don’t put quality balls into the box.nor clever defence splitting chances ,so no he doesn’t fit our team. But do feel for him as I think in the right team he’d be ok.MuttleyCAFC said:The problem with Schwartz is I'm not sure our game matches up with his. He seems to run around without impacting on the game at all. I wouldn't have risked putting him on as it could have had a negative impact. But there wasn't a lot of options.0 -
No panic here yet. Still need to get to 75 points. 4 more wins. Pompey losing today helps a lot as our game in hand takes us above them into 6th. Not really concerned about Oxford, Accrington or Ipswich anymore. It's in our hands......just needs us to win 4 more games.6
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Such a boring game. if the football didn’t send you to sleep, Steve Brown should have.0
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Hope these two points dropped today don't hurt us too much,Oxford have the easiest run in and think they will end up above Portsmouth, we need to end up above Oxford0
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No last season with Aneke it was months.Oggy Red said:
Not just this season ....... It was Aneke last season also.golfaddick said:How come our strikers seem to get injured & then take weeks to get fit again. Last season it was Taylor - this season Aneke.
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Adkins reasoning after the game was perfectly valid, we were on top it was lack of individual quality today. Would have been a big gamble to change formation to fit Schwartz in under the circumstances. The fact we are in the race after another game should be acceptable for us. On to the next one, no expectation just lots of hope!!.MuttleyCAFC said:
I agree. But you can see why Adkins didn't change things. The only thing I would have done was bring on Shinnie. He could have had an impact.paulfox said:
He’s a box player, we don’t put quality balls into the box.nor clever defence splitting chances ,so no he doesn’t fit our team. But do feel for him as I think in the right team he’d be ok.MuttleyCAFC said:The problem with Schwartz is I'm not sure our game matches up with his. He seems to run around without impacting on the game at all. I wouldn't have risked putting him on as it could have had a negative impact. But there wasn't a lot of options.7 -
40 games in and I still can’t get excited about this team. They’re more organised and don’t seem to be as bad as defensively as they were under Bowyer, but it’s excruciating to watch even when we win, or in this case, don’t get beaten.For want of a better analogy, I think the chance of getting in the play offs is like a doctor keeping a sick patient alive. We keep getting medication as a result of the other teams in and around us slipping up. Granted, we’re unbeaten over a run of games, but it’s very different to two years ago, the year before that and the run to the final in 98.
Today, I thought our attack was shown up to be lacking talent and skill. I just never thought we looked like scoring, even when they tired toward the end. For me, personally, let’s just put the two pillow of the head of the patient and bring this season to a peaceful end.4 -
msomerton said:two out of form teams playing out a stalemate.
out of form? We haven’t lost in 8? Or out of form today?0 -
If Aneke was fit it would have been a great option against a tiring Ipswich, but sadly he wasn't. We looked defensively sound and we are usually good for a goal or two so now we are not conceding many, we will win our fair share IMO. It seems we are not going to see us thrash anybody, but we do have a real chance as we are becoming very difficult to beat.2
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I rate Shinnie. Clever player, who looks up on the ball, reads the situation well and has an eye for the killer pass.MuttleyCAFC said:
I agree. But you can see why Adkins didn't change things. The only thing I would have done was bring on Shinnie. He could have had an impact.paulfox said:
He’s a box player, we don’t put quality balls into the box.nor clever defence splitting chances ,so no he doesn’t fit our team. But do feel for him as I think in the right team he’d be ok.MuttleyCAFC said:The problem with Schwartz is I'm not sure our game matches up with his. He seems to run around without impacting on the game at all. I wouldn't have risked putting him on as it could have had a negative impact. But there wasn't a lot of options.
Maybe we've missed him a bit. But today, who would you have taken off in his place ....... Millar or Gilbey?
Gilbey was doing good stuff on and off the ball; stronger probably better than Shinnie defensively, especially defending a counter.
Millar sometimes over complicates not to mention his decision making but he offers the unpredictable; and his showing for the ball is a valuable outlet.
It's a gamble for Adkins, isn't it? By changing things you might bring some edge to our attacking play.
But in so doing, you could just as easily make us less solid and sacrifice defensive stability.
We were creating chances. Just that they weren't taken.
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I think Gilbey was looking tired so with twenty to go I would have made that change. It doesn't mean we would have won though. We have won the two before that so in that context a draw is ok. Win on Tuesday and it is fine.Oggy Red said:
I rate Shinnie. Clever player, who looks up on the ball, reads the situation well and has an eye for the killer pass.MuttleyCAFC said:
I agree. But you can see why Adkins didn't change things. The only thing I would have done was bring on Shinnie. He could have had an impact.paulfox said:
He’s a box player, we don’t put quality balls into the box.nor clever defence splitting chances ,so no he doesn’t fit our team. But do feel for him as I think in the right team he’d be ok.MuttleyCAFC said:The problem with Schwartz is I'm not sure our game matches up with his. He seems to run around without impacting on the game at all. I wouldn't have risked putting him on as it could have had a negative impact. But there wasn't a lot of options.
Maybe we've missed him a bit. But today, who would you have taken off in his place ....... Millar or Gilbey?
Gilbey was doing good stuff on and off the ball; stronger probably better than Shinnie defensively, especially defending a counter.
Millar sometimes over complicates not to mention his decision making but he offers the unpredictable; and his showing for the ball is a valuable outlet.
It's a gamble for Adkins, isn't it? By changing things you might bring some edge to our attacking play.
But in so doing, you could just as easily make us less solid and sacrifice defensive stability.
We were creating chances. Just that they weren't taken.3 -
Six games left. We may need to win five of them to make the playoffs.0
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There's no certainties in football; you're only as good as your last game, etc.
Someone mentioned earlier that Portsmouth had taken just 1 point in their last 3 games, having won the previous 4 under their new manager.
Just realised that Sunderland having gone 13 League games unbeaten until they lost to us last week, have now lost 3 'on the spin (thanks, Curbs) ....... yes, that's 3 defeats in 7 days.
Ready, Blackpool ...... ? It's your turn to implode now!
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It was a terrible match and we were lifeless for 65 minutes of it. It's not 'negativity' to point that out, it's reality!
If you want to sit there and clap because in the grand scheme of things a point is a good result, that's fine, but this is the post-match thread and if people want to speak the truth about the match itself, you don't get to just label truth as negativity.
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78 points for the playoffs would be madness. I think four wins is probably going to be enough. Must wins against Plymouth, Crewe and Accrington plus one more from Peterborough, Lincoln and Hull.Lazy_eye_metaphor said:Six games left. We may need to win five of them to make the playoffs.1
