Rumours Rumours - Summer 2021 edition (Deadline Day from p814)
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Braziliance said:Scoham said:Braziliance said:A few of those signings were a bit flukey though and we didn't expect them to do as well as they did.
4 prem players? Who, Yann never even got a real chance up there, Hamer was a bench warmer, Stephens a regular though of course. Who's the 4th?
I would say only Stephens counts as a proper prem player from that list
There will be future Champ/Prem players out there, whether they'd be stepping up from a smaller club (like Stephens and Wiggins) or needing to get their career going again by dropping down a level (like Yann and Morrison).
I don't think anyone is expecting 10 top quality signings, We do though need 4/5 stand out players for this level and others who give us a strong balanced squad. That doesn't feel that unrealistic, not every club is in a position to ask for a big fee and some might be out of contract as they know they have interest from bigger clubs.
On the Prem players I assume Wiggins was the fourth. He went back to Bournemouth, but I'm not sure he actually played in the Prem.
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Fluke is the wrong word but it definitely all came together better than anyone expected. I think we all thought we had a chance going into that season but I don’t recall anyone seriously suggesting we’d piss the league, which is kind of what ended up happening.
There’s an element of luck in any signing (same goes for hiring a new person for a job in normal life) - you can do all the research you like, but because you’re dealing with humans there’s a chance it might just not click or they might exceed even your highest expectations.4 -
Southbank said:Scoham said:Braziliance said:I was certainly in the squad not good enough camp but from what I saw of Smyth he is good enough for a promotion side as a bench player, stop gap option for a year.
I don't see how we are gonna sign 10 promotion quality players, where are they coming from? Grafters like Smyth, Washington are important to make the space for Chuks and Stockley (assuming they sign)
This window is gonna be good for me, cause either I'm gonna be whelmed like expected when we don't sign anywhere near what people are expecting or I've got 10+ league1 upper/championship quality players to watch next season, win win for me
I also wonder the future of Ronnie, he looked fantastic against Rochdale with Chuks, I wonder if Adkins can save us a fee with him
Hamer
Wiggins
Morrison
Taylor
Cort
Green
Stephens
Hollands
Hughes
Pritchard
Kermorgant
HayesThat’s 12 who played a key part, plus the likes of Evina as cover, loan signings during the season and Haynes in January.
Some signings will work out better than others but we’ve got to set our sights higher than players like Smyth.
We have no idea what the budget is, even if it’s not the biggest in L1 there will be plenty of good free agents and loans available plus clubs struggling due to Covid who will sell players more cheaply than normal.0 -
Chunes said:Braziliance said:Scoham said:Braziliance said:A few of those signings were a bit flukey though and we didn't expect them to do as well as they did.
4 prem players? Who, Yann never even got a real chance up there, Hamer was a bench warmer, Stephens a regular though of course. Who's the 4th?
I would say only Stephens counts as a proper prem player from that list
There will be future Champ/Prem players out there, whether they'd be stepping up from a smaller club (like Stephens and Wiggins) or needing to get their career going again by dropping down a level (like Yann and Morrison).
I don't think anyone is expecting 10 top quality signings, We do though need 4/5 stand out players for this level and others who give us a strong balanced squad. That doesn't feel that unrealistic, not every club is in a position to ask for a big fee and some might be out of contract as they know they have interest from bigger clubs.
On the Prem players I assume Wiggins was the fourth. He went back to Bournemouth, but I'm not sure he actually played in the Prem.Fluke is the wrong word but it definitely all came together better than anyone expected. I think we all thought we had a chance going into that season but I don’t recall anyone seriously suggesting we’d piss the league, which is kind of what ended up happening.
There’s an element of luck in any signing (same goes for hiring a new person for a job in normal life) - you can do all the research you like, but because you’re dealing with humans there’s a chance it might just not click or they might exceed even your highest expectations.0 -
addick1956 said:SoundAsa£ said:addick1956 said:RonnieMoore said:Scoham said:cabbles said:Braziliance said:Interesting how negative people are towards Smyth, I thought bar a couple and the right wing back performance he looked decent for us, ran the channels and moved well. His main issue was he sometimes also overran the ball off of the pitch haha
I think it's a bit unrealistic to expect better than Smyth as a bit part player, there's no way we are gonna get in as many 'quality' players as people think. I'm with Curbs, we will re-sign most out of contract and add about 4-5 new bodies and then 3-4 loans.
I also certainly was not happy with our squad this season, I was one of what felt like the few saying it was not even close to be strong enough for promotion, only a handful of playersFair enough, we’re probably looking at Pearce as cover, but that leaves us likely to pick up just one other CB. I’d say it needs to be a bloody good CB.
Midfield isn’t strong imo. I’ve got no idea what Jayisemi can bring to the table. I think he will be good with a full close and pre season under his belt, but we just don’t know. JFC is likely to be back in Dec/Jan. I rate this boy’s professionalism and I guarantee he does everything right in rehabilitation etc, but I still believe he shone last year on account of the dross around him.I’m not a fan of Gilbey. Yes, there was definitely an upturn under Adkins, but I’ve watched a lot of football over the years, and he just doesn’t strike me as a player that can go any higher than league one, or drive us to promotion. That’s just my opinion, I could well be wrong.Watson is Watson. If he’s here then we just have to accept it. He should definitely be used as a bit part player. I like Morgan, I think he can definitely play a role, but that leaves another wide player, and an absolute unit in the middle to break up play. I would say the midfield is 4 short, maybe 5
Finally, up top. This is actually the area I think we may be okay, if we get Stockley, plus 1 other if we keep Aneke. I think Washington is decent. Works hard, got a decent(ish) return, and can add something. Stockley would be great. The only thing I would say, is find him a strike partner. I felt the 4-3-3 fell away a bit toward the end. He cut quite a lone figure in some of the final games. I would like him to form a partnership with someone
for me, we’re probably only looking at 1 full back :-(
1 CB
We’re probably looking at 4 midfielders and maybe 1 other forward after getting Stockley and Aneke secured on deals
That’s 7 players
Actually 8 maybe, depending on the Amos situation
Not convinced Aneke will stay and we haven’t secured Stockley yet.
I think it’ll be closer to 11/12 than 7/8.Stockley been openly seen looking at houses in the Bexley area ... PNE want to recoup most of their 750,000 but he not worth that .. the player wants to join it’s just down to the clubs to come to a deal
Secondly, when we were in The Prem and Championship yes ‘some’ players lived in Chislehurst and one or two still do.
However, to say they usually live there is simply not true and never has been.
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Surely when you know a player that well, and have worked with them for years, it's the opposite of a punt.
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SoundAsa£ said:golfaddick said:Braziliance said:Interesting how negative people are towards Smyth, I thought bar a couple and the right wing back performance he looked decent for us, ran the channels and moved well. His main issue was he sometimes also overran the ball off of the pitch haha
I think it's a bit unrealistic to expect better than Smyth as a bit part player, there's no way we are gonna get in as many 'quality' players as people think. I'm with Curbs, we will re-sign most out of contract and add about 4-5 new bodies and then 3-4 loans.
I also certainly was not happy with our squad this season, I was one of what felt like the few saying it was not even close to be strong enough for promotion, only a handful of players0 -
stoneroses19 said:Cafc43v3r said:Cafc43v3r said:Scoham said:Cafc43v3r said:Callumcafc said:You can have all the money in the world but if you're spending it on Jordan Rhodes...
Makes sense.
I don’t know enough about Williams but I know I don’t want us bringing in too many older players who are on the way down. One or two is fine but that strategy didn’t work last season and we’re in a much better position to go and build a proper squad with 2/3 seasons in mind rather than 1.
I was making a general observation that some players are seen as the "right type" and others are quickly dismissed as a joke or a "no thanks". Quite often with general agreement based on very little or nothing at all. We saw the same thing we Eisa and Akpom the other day. It almost as if some posters think it's actually relevant what we/they think.
We won't sign Rhodes, I very much doubt we would even consider it but if he did sign for Ipswich I would have a couple of quid on him being league 1 top goal scorer.@Dazzler21
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oohaahmortimer said:stoneroses19 said:Cafc43v3r said:Cafc43v3r said:Scoham said:Cafc43v3r said:Callumcafc said:You can have all the money in the world but if you're spending it on Jordan Rhodes...
Makes sense.
I don’t know enough about Williams but I know I don’t want us bringing in too many older players who are on the way down. One or two is fine but that strategy didn’t work last season and we’re in a much better position to go and build a proper squad with 2/3 seasons in mind rather than 1.
I was making a general observation that some players are seen as the "right type" and others are quickly dismissed as a joke or a "no thanks". Quite often with general agreement based on very little or nothing at all. We saw the same thing we Eisa and Akpom the other day. It almost as if some posters think it's actually relevant what we/they think.
We won't sign Rhodes, I very much doubt we would even consider it but if he did sign for Ipswich I would have a couple of quid on him being league 1 top goal scorer.@Dazzler21
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Braziliance said:Chunes said:Braziliance said:Scoham said:Braziliance said:A few of those signings were a bit flukey though and we didn't expect them to do as well as they did.
4 prem players? Who, Yann never even got a real chance up there, Hamer was a bench warmer, Stephens a regular though of course. Who's the 4th?
I would say only Stephens counts as a proper prem player from that list
There will be future Champ/Prem players out there, whether they'd be stepping up from a smaller club (like Stephens and Wiggins) or needing to get their career going again by dropping down a level (like Yann and Morrison).
I don't think anyone is expecting 10 top quality signings, We do though need 4/5 stand out players for this level and others who give us a strong balanced squad. That doesn't feel that unrealistic, not every club is in a position to ask for a big fee and some might be out of contract as they know they have interest from bigger clubs.
On the Prem players I assume Wiggins was the fourth. He went back to Bournemouth, but I'm not sure he actually played in the Prem.Fluke is the wrong word but it definitely all came together better than anyone expected. I think we all thought we had a chance going into that season but I don’t recall anyone seriously suggesting we’d piss the league, which is kind of what ended up happening.
There’s an element of luck in any signing (same goes for hiring a new person for a job in normal life) - you can do all the research you like, but because you’re dealing with humans there’s a chance it might just not click or they might exceed even your highest expectations.
Of course he did even better than maybe Powell expected, but Powell also knew he was a talented player who needed game time and the right club.
He was a target we had been trying to sign all summer, this is what Powell said after signing him:"He has good attributes and qualities, he's a bit different to what we already have in the striking department," boss Chris Powell told the club website.
"He is very strong aerially, and a good finisher but it never really worked out for him [at Leicester]."
Powell continued: "It happens to a lot of players at particular clubs, it just doesn't really work out for whatever reason so he has a fresh chance here at Charlton."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/14915194Peter Varney revealed last year why we signed him so late - it was his wage demands rather than us scrapping the barrel for free agents after the window had shut:“We’d been after Yann for virtually the whole of the window, but the problem was that he was on double the amount of money we’d put aside for his position.
“I remember just saying, ‘I think we’ve got a reasonable chance of getting promoted with this squad and you’re the last part of the jigsaw puzzle. What about if you take the figure that we’re offering you and if we get promoted, we’ll build in what you would have got had we been able to afford it?’ and he just put his hand out and basically went, ‘yeah, you’ve got a deal’.”
https://beatthepress.net/2020/08/22/peter-varney-on-charlton-the-salary-cap-and-fit-and-proper-owners/
On the team chemistry we won’t be signing as many as Powell did, Amos, Matthews, Inniss, Gilbey and Stockley could all be regulars, while DJ and Morgan have a chance of that too.
If we can add quality at CB, CM and out wide that could give us a stronger team and earn us those extra 10-20 points that will make the difference.
It doesn’t always come together but this is L1, we’ve been in and around the playoffs with limited teams and investment. We should at least be up in the top 6.7 - Sponsored links:
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Just shared this on the Millar thread, relevant here too. Means we’ll need 2 ideally 3 new wingers.
Looks certain that he’s not coming back.
I’m not subscribed so can’t see the full article but it says Liverpool are receiving a lot of interest from Championship clubs:
https://theathletic.com/2588533
The 21-year-old Canada international’s parent club have already received a significant number of enquiries about him from sides in the second tier.
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So, once again we have improved a loanee, and assisted in the furtherment of his career, what a nice bunch we are
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eastterrace6168 said:
So, once again we have improved a loanee, and assisted in the furtherment of his career, what a nice bunch we are
And because we did improve him Liverpool are more likely to loan us another player. Ditto Chelsea.
We loan players out for the same reason. Doughty being the most recent example of that success
AMB will hopefully be loaned out to improve him and further his career with us.19 -
oohaahmortimer said:stoneroses19 said:Cafc43v3r said:Cafc43v3r said:Scoham said:Cafc43v3r said:Callumcafc said:You can have all the money in the world but if you're spending it on Jordan Rhodes...
Makes sense.
I don’t know enough about Williams but I know I don’t want us bringing in too many older players who are on the way down. One or two is fine but that strategy didn’t work last season and we’re in a much better position to go and build a proper squad with 2/3 seasons in mind rather than 1.
I was making a general observation that some players are seen as the "right type" and others are quickly dismissed as a joke or a "no thanks". Quite often with general agreement based on very little or nothing at all. We saw the same thing we Eisa and Akpom the other day. It almost as if some posters think it's actually relevant what we/they think.
We won't sign Rhodes, I very much doubt we would even consider it but if he did sign for Ipswich I would have a couple of quid on him being league 1 top goal scorer.@Dazzler21
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- Gary Cahill
- James McArthur
- James McCarthy
- Joel Ward
- Mamadou Sakho
- Nathaniel Clyne
- Wayne Hennessey
- Stephen Henderson
- Scott Dann
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Henry Irving said:eastterrace6168 said:
So, once again we have improved a loanee, and assisted in the furtherment of his career, what a nice bunch we are
And because we did improve him Liverpool are more likely to loan us another player. Ditto Chelsea.
We loan players out for the same reason. Doughty being the most recent example of that success
AMB will hopefully be loaned out to improve him and further his career with us.
Of course from the parent club yes, I was just a bit selfish probably, and looking it from our perspective, of course we benefitted from his time here.0 -
Addickted said:oohaahmortimer said:stoneroses19 said:Cafc43v3r said:Cafc43v3r said:Scoham said:Cafc43v3r said:Callumcafc said:You can have all the money in the world but if you're spending it on Jordan Rhodes...
Makes sense.
I don’t know enough about Williams but I know I don’t want us bringing in too many older players who are on the way down. One or two is fine but that strategy didn’t work last season and we’re in a much better position to go and build a proper squad with 2/3 seasons in mind rather than 1.
I was making a general observation that some players are seen as the "right type" and others are quickly dismissed as a joke or a "no thanks". Quite often with general agreement based on very little or nothing at all. We saw the same thing we Eisa and Akpom the other day. It almost as if some posters think it's actually relevant what we/they think.
We won't sign Rhodes, I very much doubt we would even consider it but if he did sign for Ipswich I would have a couple of quid on him being league 1 top goal scorer.@Dazzler21
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- Michy Batshuayi
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- Gary Cahill
- James McArthur
- James McCarthy
- Joel Ward
- Mamadou Sakho
- Nathaniel Clyne
- Wayne Hennessey
- Stephen Henderson
- Scott Dann
- Max Meyer
- Andros Townsend
- Connor Wickham
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Wow. Palace’s league finishes for the last decade....
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Addickted said:oohaahmortimer said:stoneroses19 said:Cafc43v3r said:Cafc43v3r said:Scoham said:Cafc43v3r said:Callumcafc said:You can have all the money in the world but if you're spending it on Jordan Rhodes...
Makes sense.
I don’t know enough about Williams but I know I don’t want us bringing in too many older players who are on the way down. One or two is fine but that strategy didn’t work last season and we’re in a much better position to go and build a proper squad with 2/3 seasons in mind rather than 1.
I was making a general observation that some players are seen as the "right type" and others are quickly dismissed as a joke or a "no thanks". Quite often with general agreement based on very little or nothing at all. We saw the same thing we Eisa and Akpom the other day. It almost as if some posters think it's actually relevant what we/they think.
We won't sign Rhodes, I very much doubt we would even consider it but if he did sign for Ipswich I would have a couple of quid on him being league 1 top goal scorer.@Dazzler21
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cnuts have hardly sniffed relegation- Christian Benteke
- Michy Batshuayi
- Patrick van Aanholt
- Gary Cahill
- James McArthur
- James McCarthy
- Joel Ward
- Mamadou Sakho
- Nathaniel Clyne
- Wayne Hennessey
- Stephen Henderson
- Scott Dann
- Max Meyer
- Andros Townsend
- Connor Wickham
Heard on the radio that they have at least 4 players on 100k + a week.0 -
Scoham said:Braziliance said:A few of those signings were a bit flukey though and we didn't expect them to do as well as they did.
4 prem players? Who, Yann never even got a real chance up there, Hamer was a bench warmer, Stephens a regular though of course. Who's the 4th?
I would say only Stephens counts as a proper prem player from that list
There will be future Champ/Prem players out there, whether they'd be stepping up from a smaller club (like Stephens and Wiggins) or needing to get their career going again by dropping down a level (like Yann and Morrison).
I don't think anyone is expecting 10 top quality signings, We do though need 4/5 stand out players for this level and others who give us a strong balanced squad. That doesn't feel that unrealistic, not every club is in a position to ask for a big fee and some might be out of contract as they know they have interest from bigger clubs.
On the Prem players I assume Wiggins was the fourth. He went back to Bournemouth, but I'm not sure he actually played in the Prem.0 - Sponsored links:
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given this thread has absolutely no rumours on it so far we worried but the lack of noise?
Anyone worried we’ve left it late in our planning or confident it’s just been done in a secretive manner behind the scenes (very unusual for Charlton)0 -
Maccn05 said:given this thread has absolutely no rumours on it so far we worried but the lack of noise?
Anyone worried we’ve left it late in our planning or confident it’s just been done in a secretive manner behind the scenes (very unusual for Charlton)2 -
ForeverAddickted said:Maccn05 said:given this thread has absolutely no rumours on it so far we worried but the lack of noise?
Anyone worried we’ve left it late in our planning or confident it’s just been done in a secretive manner behind the scenes (very unusual for Charlton)
Unless Roddy is back to whatsapping his university team I doubt him, Gallen, Adkins ot Thomas will leak. I doubt anyone else even knows until the contract is ready to sign.2 -
Maccn05 said:given this thread has absolutely no rumours on it so far we worried but the lack of noise?
Anyone worried we’ve left it late in our planning or confident it’s just been done in a secretive manner behind the scenes (very unusual for Charlton)3 -
addick1956 said:Is this the Palarse finishing place rumour zone...newly formed out of the ashes of the 'Is Jordan Rhodes worth a gig at Huddersfield ' rumour.
63 pages and rarely a rumour or sniff of a signing for us.
Just wait until you've been on here for 15 years. You'll finally begin to understand the foibles of how it all works!:
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Yeah ok but can they atleast leak some fake stuff to give us something to have a meltdown about ? 😂😂😂2
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Braziliance said:......0
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AndyG said:Yeah ok but can they atleast leak some fake stuff to give us something to have a meltdown about ? 😂😂😂
Just replace the club with us, the player with a random lower league player and divide the transfer fee by 100.4 -
AndyG said:Yeah ok but can they atleast leak some fake stuff to give us something to have a meltdown about ? 😂😂😂0
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Leaks may come if players are seen at Sparrow's or The Valley.0