Couldn't agree more, Callum & Gravesend. We do have a really special club in that regard. I bet Tracey put a welcoming arm around Charlie Kirk too after his sad loss. Not to mention all the past players that keep coming back appearing on Charlton TV and the like. I was wondering does any other club have such a warm welcoming fantastic set as Charlton.
Tracey said “my boy’s coming home”. About a player who was on loan to us for a few months. Incredible stuff to be honest. She is what good clubs are built on.
In my opinion... Great window. Strong team. Spent well over £1,000,000 signing young, talented, motivated players on long term contracts. Also signed players with links to CAFC (Lee, Arter, Leko & Clare) and signed natural leaders and players of the season (Lavelle Kirk & MacG). I also think the temperament of the players we've brought in has been well thought through.
Whats not to like? Yes, we might be a LB or a ST short, but I reckon we might dip into the free transfer market to plug whatever minute holes there might be.
Finally, a sensible window, not one where our sole target is to bring In 'bodies.'
Wow we spent a million. I will go Charlton and support the team as Always but I'm not expecting us to be anywhere near the play-offs. I think this is a below average squad. I hope I am wrong I honestly do. Playing some youngsters through the season will keep me interested and then mount a challenge next season. I'm not in a rush for promotion like others
I agree re. not rushing - however would you not agree this window is a step in the right direction though, a solid base on which to build?
Yes I'd agree we are building. I've no problem with that. But this squad compared to Sheff Wd, Sunderland,Ipswich even Oxford, we won't be challenging
Way too early to make that prediction. We don't know enough about Lavelle. Dobson and Clare need to improve, but made that first step tonight. We don't know what Leko or Arter we're getting either. I'd also predict few people know much about other League 1 squads in too much depth. Oxford look to have a very decent side but a lot of unknowns beyond that.
2 injuries and we are screwed mate
I think that puts us in the same position as 90% of the teams in the division though. In terms of pure numbers, most teams seem to have made roughly the same amount of signings as we have so I can't imagine that it's only Charlton facing potential injury crises.
We're coming out of a pandemic which as badly affected football clubs everywhere. Barcelona were holding a fire sale today! With this and the squad cap, like you say a lot of clubs in exactly the same position. We'll need a bit of luck but we added players today, it's slightly unbalanced but could have been a lot worse.
I am.not so sure we are out of this pandemic with 33,000 a day infected and 100 deaths a day and a lot of resistance to vaccine in some sections plus people so untiring to wear masks on public transport.
I didn't say we were out of it. But with fans allowed back in the ground, then it is getting back to normal for football clubs with increased revenue. Of course another lockdown changes that. However, despite this being the thread to discuss almost everything, it's definitively not to discuss Covid and restrictions.
It has to be seen if we are coming out of it and the reasons are as I said. You mentioned the pandemic first and now you want it not discussed. Why is that 🤔. It a forum after all.
there is a separate thread for all things covid related.
Then tell cafcfan1990. He raised it first and I made a remark but you hsve to hsve another snipe at me. Fucking why?
He mentioned it in context of affecting the finances... Which it did. It was you who decided to dive into the actual politics and bring up masks and vaccines.
People saying that Purrington is not a marauding speedy full back well neither is Matthews & he doesn’t get the same criticism at all. What we do have Imo is two solid league one fullbacks!
Tracey said “my boy’s coming home”. About a player who was on loan to us for a few months. Incredible stuff to be honest. She is what good clubs are built on.
When I spoke to Tracey last year she mentioned she’d had a soft spot for Leko. Think they had him over for dinner, looked after him etc.
Tracey said “my boy’s coming home”. About a player who was on loan to us for a few months. Incredible stuff to be honest. She is what good clubs are built on.
When I spoke to Tracey last year she mentioned she’d had a soft spot for Leko. Think they had him over for dinner, looked after him etc.
She’s an absolute diamond that lady ♥️
Yes that’s what she said to me when I met her a few months ago. She’s absolutely brilliant.
Tracey said “my boy’s coming home”. About a player who was on loan to us for a few months. Incredible stuff to be honest. She is what good clubs are built on.
When I spoke to Tracey last year she mentioned she’d had a soft spot for Leko. Think they had him over for dinner, looked after him etc.
She’s an absolute diamond that lady ♥️
Yes that’s what she said to me when I met her a few months ago. She’s absolutely brilliant.
Tracey said “my boy’s coming home”. About a player who was on loan to us for a few months. Incredible stuff to be honest. She is what good clubs are built on.
When I spoke to Tracey last year she mentioned she’d had a soft spot for Leko. Think they had him over for dinner, looked after him etc.
She’s an absolute diamond that lady ♥️
Yes that’s what she said to me when I met her a few months ago. She’s absolutely brilliant.
Am I the only one that she hasn't spoken with?
What's wrong with me?
When I spoke to her she said "why does @TellyTubby never speak to me" 😂
Which would back up the fact that I think a lot of clubs at our level were at the mercy of the unpredictability of the window, just like us, and perhaps had to change plans from the prospects they wanted earlier on
That’s a fairly meaningless stat with respect - the meaningful comparison would be with previous deadline days not other days during the window. We know clubs sign more players on deadline day. It doesn’t tell you whether this window was different from any other.
That’s a fairly meaningless stat with respect - the meaningful comparison would be with previous deadline days not other days during the window. We know clubs sign more players on deadline day. It doesn’t tell you whether this window was different from any other.
Do we? Because I swear I read many posts from different users complaining about how we were 'scrambling around at the last minute' for signings.
When in reality what was close to what normally happens in a transfer window happened.
What did surprise me is with many having taken out government loans there was a strong suggestion of a potential fire sale at a large number of EFL clubs and that many would need to sell a player before the window closed, probably at lower value.
I didn’t see as many instances of that happening as I thought I would
That’s a fairly meaningless stat with respect - the meaningful comparison would be with previous deadline days not other days during the window. We know clubs sign more players on deadline day. It doesn’t tell you whether this window was different from any other.
Do we? Because I swear I read many posts from different users complaining about how we were 'scrambling around at the last minute' for signings.
When in reality what was close to what normally happens in a transfer window happened.
Both things are true. The players we signed were probably always on our list but they weren’t necessarily anywhere near the top. It doesn’t preclude them doing well but it is still a scramble.
That’s a fairly meaningless stat with respect - the meaningful comparison would be with previous deadline days not other days during the window. We know clubs sign more players on deadline day. It doesn’t tell you whether this window was different from any other.
Do we? Because I swear I read many posts from different users complaining about how we were 'scrambling around at the last minute' for signings.
When in reality what was close to what normally happens in a transfer window happened.
Both things are true. The players we signed were probably always on our list but they weren’t necessarily anywhere near the top. It doesn’t preclude them doing well but it is still a scramble.
I agree it was a scramble, but I don’t think it’s much different for the majority of clubs now (I say think as I have no evidence). Bar that season Powell got the Jenkinson money and Cash was our benefactor, I think every other window with the exception of RD’s first full one, has been ducking and diving.
That RD summer when we brought in Bergdych etc seemed well executed, until the majority of them went south. You could argue this one was more ducking and diving than others and hence more of a scramble, but I wouldn’t know how to compare it to others as I’m not behind the scenes
I guess you can say they should’ve made a better job of it given TS’ statements of intent, but I think it’s part not executing properly, part not being set up in the right way, part at the mercy of the market and part understanding how the remnants and the effect Covid has had on the market.
I give the whole window a thumbs up, but a choppy journey and hopefully lessons have been learnt
It will be interesting to compare to the likes of Ipswich who have brought in 18 players and our other promotion rivals as the season plays out. A good indicator of how much of scramble it has been is the amount of viable first team midfielders we have on our books. I think it’s too many (I know some are loans), however the amount would seem to suggest that’s where it’s gone a bit awry
That’s a fairly meaningless stat with respect - the meaningful comparison would be with previous deadline days not other days during the window. We know clubs sign more players on deadline day. It doesn’t tell you whether this window was different from any other.
Do we? Because I swear I read many posts from different users complaining about how we were 'scrambling around at the last minute' for signings.
When in reality what was close to what normally happens in a transfer window happened.
Both things are true. The players we signed were probably always on our list but they weren’t necessarily anywhere near the top. It doesn’t preclude them doing well but it is still a scramble.
Yeah indeed. Hard to tell really - did we make early enquiries about Leko but were only told we would get him if Birmingham brought in another striker and there were no championship loan options for him. - meaning we had to wait until late. Or did we exhaust other options in that area or was he was lucky enough to become avaliable on the day.
I don't necessarily buy the narrative that getting 2 players in on deadline day (Arter was already pretty much done the weekend before), and both who don't necessarily seem like traditional panic buys and should be decent quality means we were scrambling about. They are not bottom of the barrel signings at all.
But then again there does seem to have been a shift in the type of player we were after, after Dobson and Clare.
What did surprise me is with many having taken out government loans there was a strong suggestion of a potential fire sale at a large number of EFL clubs and that many would need to sell a player before the window closed, probably at lower value.
I didn’t see as many instances of that happening as I thought I would
Absolutely, the amount of times I read on here that Gills had a loan to repay and we're stuffed yet they reportedly turned down multiple offers on the 31st for Oliver, Dempsey and Tucker whilst bringing one young lad in on loan...doesn't scream of a club in dire straights.
That’s a fairly meaningless stat with respect - the meaningful comparison would be with previous deadline days not other days during the window. We know clubs sign more players on deadline day. It doesn’t tell you whether this window was different from any other.
Do we? Because I swear I read many posts from different users complaining about how we were 'scrambling around at the last minute' for signings.
When in reality what was close to what normally happens in a transfer window happened.
Both things are true. The players we signed were probably always on our list but they weren’t necessarily anywhere near the top. It doesn’t preclude them doing well but it is still a scramble.
I agree it was a scramble, but I don’t think it’s much different for the majority of clubs now (I say think as I have no evidence). Bar that season Powell got the Jenkinson money and Cash was our benefactor, I think every other window with the exception of RD’s first full one, has been ducking and diving.
That RD summer when we brought in Bergdych etc seemed well executed, until the majority of them went south. You could argue this one was more ducking and diving than others and hence more of a scramble, but I wouldn’t know how to compare it to others as I’m not behind the scenes
I guess you can say they should’ve made a better job of it given TS’ statements of intent, but I think it’s part not executing properly, part not being set up in the right way, part at the mercy of the market and part understanding how the remnants and the effect Covid has had on the market.
I give the whole window a thumbs up, but a choppy journey and hopefully lessons have been learnt
It will be interesting to compare to the likes of Ipswich who have brought in 18 players and our other promotion rivals as the season plays out. A good indicator of how much of scramble it has been is the amount of viable first team midfielders we have on our books. I think it’s too many (I know some are loans), however the amount would seem to suggest that’s where it’s gone a bit awry
It’s really not the case that there was a financial splurge in 2011. We did spend the Davison money but fees were probably less than we’ve spent this year. The wages budget was reduced by the spivs that year and the only reason it is higher in the accounts is because promotion bonuses were paid.
RD spent decent money, certainly in 2014-2016. He just bought far too many of the wrong players and appointed the wrong managers to oversee them.
What did surprise me is with many having taken out government loans there was a strong suggestion of a potential fire sale at a large number of EFL clubs and that many would need to sell a player before the window closed, probably at lower value.
I didn’t see as many instances of that happening as I thought I would
Absolutely, the amount of times I read on here that Gills had a loan to repay and we're stuffed yet they reportedly turned down multiple offers on the 31st for Oliver, Dempsey and Tucker whilst bringing one young lad in on loan...doesn't scream of a club in dire straights.
It appears they have settled their debts to HMRC but still haven't repaid the monitored loan
That’s a fairly meaningless stat with respect - the meaningful comparison would be with previous deadline days not other days during the window. We know clubs sign more players on deadline day. It doesn’t tell you whether this window was different from any other.
Do we? Because I swear I read many posts from different users complaining about how we were 'scrambling around at the last minute' for signings.
When in reality what was close to what normally happens in a transfer window happened.
Both things are true. The players we signed were probably always on our list but they weren’t necessarily anywhere near the top. It doesn’t preclude them doing well but it is still a scramble.
I agree it was a scramble, but I don’t think it’s much different for the majority of clubs now (I say think as I have no evidence). Bar that season Powell got the Jenkinson money and Cash was our benefactor, I think every other window with the exception of RD’s first full one, has been ducking and diving.
That RD summer when we brought in Bergdych etc seemed well executed, until the majority of them went south. You could argue this one was more ducking and diving than others and hence more of a scramble, but I wouldn’t know how to compare it to others as I’m not behind the scenes
I guess you can say they should’ve made a better job of it given TS’ statements of intent, but I think it’s part not executing properly, part not being set up in the right way, part at the mercy of the market and part understanding how the remnants and the effect Covid has had on the market.
I give the whole window a thumbs up, but a choppy journey and hopefully lessons have been learnt
It will be interesting to compare to the likes of Ipswich who have brought in 18 players and our other promotion rivals as the season plays out. A good indicator of how much of scramble it has been is the amount of viable first team midfielders we have on our books. I think it’s too many (I know some are loans), however the amount would seem to suggest that’s where it’s gone a bit awry
It’s really not the case that there was a financial splurge in 2011. We did spend the Davison money but fees were probably less than we’ve spent this year. The wages budget was reduced by the spivs and the only reason it is higher in the accounts is because promotion bonuses were paid.
RD spent decent money, certainly in 2014-2016. He just bought far too many of the wrong players.
Did it also help getting rid of high earners like Semedo and Racon off the wage bill and replacing them with better players on less money
That’s a fairly meaningless stat with respect - the meaningful comparison would be with previous deadline days not other days during the window. We know clubs sign more players on deadline day. It doesn’t tell you whether this window was different from any other.
Do we? Because I swear I read many posts from different users complaining about how we were 'scrambling around at the last minute' for signings.
When in reality what was close to what normally happens in a transfer window happened.
Both things are true. The players we signed were probably always on our list but they weren’t necessarily anywhere near the top. It doesn’t preclude them doing well but it is still a scramble.
I agree it was a scramble, but I don’t think it’s much different for the majority of clubs now (I say think as I have no evidence). Bar that season Powell got the Jenkinson money and Cash was our benefactor, I think every other window with the exception of RD’s first full one, has been ducking and diving.
That RD summer when we brought in Bergdych etc seemed well executed, until the majority of them went south. You could argue this one was more ducking and diving than others and hence more of a scramble, but I wouldn’t know how to compare it to others as I’m not behind the scenes
I guess you can say they should’ve made a better job of it given TS’ statements of intent, but I think it’s part not executing properly, part not being set up in the right way, part at the mercy of the market and part understanding how the remnants and the effect Covid has had on the market.
I give the whole window a thumbs up, but a choppy journey and hopefully lessons have been learnt
It will be interesting to compare to the likes of Ipswich who have brought in 18 players and our other promotion rivals as the season plays out. A good indicator of how much of scramble it has been is the amount of viable first team midfielders we have on our books. I think it’s too many (I know some are loans), however the amount would seem to suggest that’s where it’s gone a bit awry
It’s really not the case that there was a financial splurge in 2011. We did spend the Davison money but fees were probably less than we’ve spent this year. The wages budget was reduced by the spivs and the only reason it is higher in the accounts is because promotion bonuses were paid.
RD spent decent money, certainly in 2014-2016. He just bought far too many of the wrong players.
Did it also help getting rid of high earners like Semedo and Racon off the wage bill and replacing them with better players on less money
The wages budget was better spent, no question, but that was true across the squad. What I’m saying is that it’s a myth there was a big Cash injection in 2011 which funded promotion. What did happen was borrowing to fund the operating loss which would mostly have been there regardless.
The majority of signings were free transfers (no doubt with signing-on fees) and 12 were in by July 12th, two more on August 1st. Leon Cort and Michael Smith were the only ones around deadline and Yann was as a free agent in September.
What did surprise me is with many having taken out government loans there was a strong suggestion of a potential fire sale at a large number of EFL clubs and that many would need to sell a player before the window closed, probably at lower value.
I didn’t see as many instances of that happening as I thought I would
Agreed, there was talk of the divisions being full of teams in desperate financial straits, and that the clubs with money would be able to pick them off. I still wonder what will happen in January though, as there will be a number of players then with 6 months on their contract
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That video is a fascinating watch
Cry me a river.
Must be great for the staff to be working there now after the years of chaos.
She’s an absolute diamond that lady ♥️
What's wrong with me?
I'm told we might see more clips
When in reality what was close to what normally happens in a transfer window happened.
I didn’t see as many instances of that happening as I thought I would
That RD summer when we brought in Bergdych etc seemed well executed, until the majority of them went south. You could argue this one was more ducking and diving than others and hence more of a scramble, but I wouldn’t know how to compare it to others as I’m not behind the scenes
I guess you can say they should’ve made a better job of it given TS’ statements of intent, but I think it’s part not executing properly, part not being set up in the right way, part at the mercy of the market and part understanding how the remnants and the effect Covid has had on the market.
I give the whole window a thumbs up, but a choppy journey and hopefully lessons have been learnt
It will be interesting to compare to the likes of Ipswich who have brought in 18 players and our other promotion rivals as the season plays out. A good indicator of how much of scramble it has been is the amount of viable first team midfielders we have on our books. I think it’s too many (I know some are loans), however the amount would seem to suggest that’s where it’s gone a bit awry
I don't necessarily buy the narrative that getting 2 players in on deadline day (Arter was already pretty much done the weekend before), and both who don't necessarily seem like traditional panic buys and should be decent quality means we were scrambling about. They are not bottom of the barrel signings at all.
But then again there does seem to have been a shift in the type of player we were after, after Dobson and Clare.
RD spent decent money, certainly in 2014-2016. He just bought far too many of the wrong players and appointed the wrong managers to oversee them.
https://www.efl.com/-more/governance/embargoes/
Nobody told me this thread has an after-credits scene.