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England v Italy - THE FINAL - Match Thread

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  • ValleyGary
    ValleyGary Posts: 38,008
    Why the fuck are we letting Rashford take a pen, he’s been shit for 7 months. And Saka 18 years old, what a joke. 

    The saving grace is that this won’t be a one off this with team.
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,829
    SELR_addicks said:
    Rothko said:
    Rashford Smashed a pen in against PSG
    In the last minute, so no surprise he took one. 
    He had played for 90 minutes in that game. 

    Not 2. 
    Southgate and all the coaching staff made the judgement call that the most talented penalty takers with fresh legs were a better bet than the likes of Henderson and Kyle Walker who have absolutely no business taking one.

    If you asked any of the staff, I bet they’d tell you they would do exactly the same again.

    Sometimes sh*t happens. Tonight it did.
  • NornIrishAddick
    NornIrishAddick Posts: 9,623
    iainment said:
    So no fucking Bank Holiday then.
    I'll have one for you.

    I think England supporters should take heart from this tournament and seek to build on it.

    The team, including management, will be better for tonight.

    Kudos to those with the courage to attempt to win it with the penalties.
  • NornIrishAddick
    NornIrishAddick Posts: 9,623
    MrOneLung said:
    Anyway am off to smash up some Fiat’s 
    Just leave them out in the rain...
  • guinnessaddick
    guinnessaddick Posts: 28,731
    iainment said:
    So no fucking Bank Holiday then.
    North of the border.
  • Garrymanilow
    Garrymanilow Posts: 13,218
    Laddick01 said:
    Raheem Sterling, Luke Shaw, Jack Grealish you should be ashamed.

    If that’s not their decision then fair play but sometimes you just have to step up. 

    England don’t have players willing to step up.
    Sterling plays for a team notoriously terrible at scoring penalties and he’s still behind the fucking goalkeeper in the pecking order. If he wanted to take one I wouldn’t have let him near it 
  • LawrieAbrahams
    LawrieAbrahams Posts: 3,780
    Sickening. But hopefully we have a team now that can get close again and again. 
  • Fanny Fanackapan
    Fanny Fanackapan Posts: 18,752
    Rothko said:
    But ya know, those who wanted to slag off Southgate have a nice slab of meat to jump on like mange ridden hyenas 
    You can really be a twisted young man at times....
  • AFKABartram
    AFKABartram Posts: 57,881
    Can’t help feel opportunity lost and that the goal so early just didn’t help us. Italy on balance of play the better team. For a couple of our key players it looked one game too many. 

    Gutted. 


  • Dazzler21
    Dazzler21 Posts: 51,432
    edited July 2021
    You can see why Lyle's simple walk up was so successful. None of this weird jarring movement just bully the keeper to go the wrong way or dive early with your eyes.

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  • Southbank
    Southbank Posts: 5,272
    Mancini's subs changed the game, Southgate's did not. So much for tactical nous. Italy were the better team and we allowed them to play their game by keeping our attacking players on the bench until it was too late. But Mourinho/Southgate will soldier on I am sure.
  • North Lower Neil
    North Lower Neil Posts: 22,985
    ValleyGary said:
    Why the fuck are we letting Rashford take a pen, he’s been shit for 7 months. And Saka 18 years old, what a joke. 

    The saving grace is that this won’t be a one off this with team.
    He's good at penalties.  Normally, obviously.

    Didn't have an issue with Rashford, made sense, but Sancho and Saka, it's a lot of pressure on young guys who don't normally take them.
  • NapaAddick
    NapaAddick Posts: 4,657
    My grades...

    Pickford 8.0: good save in the second half, fully did his job in penalties
    Stones: 5.5: neither good nor bad
    Maguire 7.0: not good with ball but good defense and made his pen
    Walker: 6.0: did his job
    Rice: 8.0: immense
    Phillips 6.0: did his job mostly
    Shaw: 8.5 MOM for England
    Trippier 5.0: barely noticed
    Kane 6.5: made his pen, was quite physical but got no chances
    Mount: 5.0 not his best match
    Sterling 2.5: an embarrassment with his pratfalls

    subs
    Grealish: 5.5... should have been brought on 20 min earlier
    Saka: NA: worst player of the match per minute played
    Rashford NA blew it
    Henderson NA stunk
    Sancho NA should not have been brought on

    Southgate: 3.5 bad time for his worst night as manager in this tourney
    Ref: 7.0 actually glad he let em play and did not fall for all the pratfalls.

  • lancashire lad
    lancashire lad Posts: 15,641
    edited July 2021
    ah well Welling on Tuesday
  • sirjohnhumphrey
    sirjohnhumphrey Posts: 1,867
    Italy were the better team overall.

    We couldn’t go into pens with Walker and Henderson amongst the takers. If he hadn’t put Rashford and Sancho on and Henderson or Walker or Shaw took a pen and missed Southgate would have got criticism for not putting regular takers on.

    A hindsight call as always. It has been widely reported that the squad have practised pens regularly. It didn’t happen today but I think we were outplayed and a little out thought throughout the game.
  • SporadicAddick
    SporadicAddick Posts: 6,900
    MrOneLung said:
    Anyway am off to smash up some Fiat’s 
    Domino's can do one as well.
  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,771
    edited July 2021
    Callumcafc said:
    SELR_addicks said:
    Rothko said:
    Rashford Smashed a pen in against PSG
    In the last minute, so no surprise he took one. 
    He had played for 90 minutes in that game. 

    Not 2. 
    Southgate and all the coaching staff made the judgement call that the most talented penalty takers with fresh legs were a better bet than the likes of Henderson and Kyle Walker who have absolutely no business taking one.

    If you asked any of the staff, I bet they’d tell you they would do exactly the same again.

    Sometimes sh*t happens. Tonight it did.
    It wasn't a bad judgement call in itself. With the benefit of hindsight, they probably could have done with 10 minutes and could have been part of us trying to win it in extra time as well as getting a feel for things. We scored early and the 5 at the back that was supposed to change to a 3, stayed as a 5 when we had something to hold on to.

    We probably scored too early and it is fine margins. We need to look at this as a breakthrough and hopefully can target the World Cup but I really wish we could be a bit more offensive minded. Maybe we will be.
  • ricky_otto
    ricky_otto Posts: 22,600
    NapaAddick said:
    My grades...

    Pickford 8.0: good save in the second half, fully did his job in penalties
    Stones: 5.5: neither good nor bad
    Maguire 7.0: not good with ball but good defense and made his pen
    Walker: 6.0: did his job
    Rice: 8.0: immense
    Phillips 6.0: did his job mostly
    Shaw: 8.5 MOM for England
    Trippier 5.0: barely noticed
    Kane 6.5: made his pen, was quite physical but got no chances
    Mount: 5.0 not his best match
    Sterling 2.5: an embarrassment with his pratfalls

    subs
    Grealish: 5.5... should have been brought on 20 min earlier
    Saka: NA: worst player of the match per minute played
    Rashford NA blew it
    Henderson NA stunk
    Sancho NA should not have been brought on

    Southgate: 3.5 bad time for his worst night as manager in this tourney
    Ref: 7.0 actually glad he let em play and did not fall for all the pratfalls.

    Turn it in 
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,728
    edited July 2021
    For those curious as to why Sancho | Rashford | Saka took penalties...

    Sancho: 11-taken / 1-missed...
    https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/jadon-sancho/elfmetertore/spieler/401173

    Rashford: 17-taken / 2-missed... 
    https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/marcus-rashford/elfmetertore/spieler/258923

    Saka: 3-taken / none missed...
    https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/bukayo-saka/elfmetertore/spieler/433177
  • Laddick01
    Laddick01 Posts: 6,439
    This is going to be controversial but I do think we have to
    make Foden a centrepiece of out WC side.

    Pep loves him. He’s class. We need to find a way to
    use him.

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  • McBobbin
    McBobbin Posts: 12,054
    Oh well... We lose on penalties. Disappointing for sure but this is a young team without any baggage, they can be proud
  • Todds_right_hook
    Todds_right_hook Posts: 10,892
    I didnt expect England to do well and we lost in the FINAL on pens. Im pleased with that and well done to Gareth and the players. 

    Only grumble, if you are bringing on penalty takers after 119 mins, why not Calvert Lewin?
  • SELR_addicks
    SELR_addicks Posts: 15,492
    ForeverAddickted said:
    For those curious as to why Sancho and Rashford took penalties...

    Sancho: 11-taken / 1-missed...
    https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/jadon-sancho/elfmetertore/spieler/401173

    Rashford: 17-taken / 2-missed... 
    https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/marcus-rashford/elfmetertore/spieler/258923
    Again, players when they haven't been on the pitch for very long aren't 'in the game'. 

    Taking a cold penalty with huge amounts of pressure when you've touched the ball maybe twice in 2 hours, isn't the best idea in the world. 
  • Davo55
    Davo55 Posts: 7,846
    Very good first half. Very poor second half. I reckon they were told to keep it tight but then sank into a static, defensive mindset. Italy then took us apart for 35 minutes. Beyond gutted at losng on penalties but can’t really argue that it wasn’t deserved by Italy overall. Our lads had a fine tournament. They have to continue to improve but, if they do, we’ll have a decent chance of winning a World Cup or Euros with the nucleus of this young side. 
  • NornIrishAddick
    NornIrishAddick Posts: 9,623
    SporadicAddick said:
    MrOneLung said:
    Anyway am off to smash up some Fiat’s 
    Domino's can do one as well.
    If you really want revenge, order a Hawaiian from a proper pizza shop.
  • North Lower Neil
    North Lower Neil Posts: 22,985
    Biggest issue tonight was not trying to be more positive with changes, subs etc.

    Did well first half, they changed things, we didn't react.
  • AddicksAddict
    AddicksAddict Posts: 15,828
    Only 15 months to wait for the chance of redemption. 
  • ValleyGary
    ValleyGary Posts: 38,008
    Been great but Southgate got that wrong IMO. Late subs, shit ourselves after a great 45 mins, poor pens, I dunno. It’s hard cos he’s been great but fucking hell that Italian team are average. I really disappointed.
  • Fumbluff
    Fumbluff Posts: 10,142
    Laddick01 said:
    Raheem Sterling has something to answer to. 

    If h s declined a pen I don’t want to see him in and England shirt ever again. 
    We’re all upset mate but that’s a fucking stupid post
  • BigRedEvil
    BigRedEvil Posts: 11,083
    Italy were the better side from about the 30th minute. In extra time when we pressed higher up we looked so much better. 

    Penalties in hindsight maybe the last 3 were not the best choices. 

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