A man like Southgate should lknow more than anyone the pressure of penalties. To bring two cold show ponies on for the last minute just so they could take one is pretty off.
We bang on about our attacking talent but that was a humiliation. He fuc*ING hung them out to dry there. If they're that good bloody play them. Steve Holland frantically searching through his notepad for the answers was a bit of a joke.
Been great but Southgate got that wrong IMO. Late subs, shit ourselves after a great 45 mins, poor pens, I dunno. It’s hard cos he’s been great but fucking hell that Italian team are average. I really disappointed.
34 games unbeaten is better than average. They will not go down as one of the greats but they won the tournament and that’s all that matters
Of course, but a couple of poor performances in this tournament plus outplayed in the first half tonight and then we let them off the hook. No taking away from what they’ve done but we should of took advantage.
But we are English, not German! It’s what we do.
At half time, it was in the bag, we needed to be positive but turned into Charlton.
But still, a great month after a shitty 15 months.
Also saving two substitutions until the 120th minute when he could have used them earlier to try and win the game in extra time?
In which case it would have been Sterling and Kane off, or one from Saka or Grealish would have been hauled back off
Then had it gone to 10-10; reliable Henderson would have been taking one and people would be bleating on asking why he was still on the pitch to take one given the fact that he's missed his last two for England!!
I don't see why he didn't take Sterling off if he wasn't taking a penalty. He was clearly blowing from half time and wasn't even really getting around the box.
Mancini's subs changed the game, Southgate's did not. So much for tactical nous. Italy were the better team and we allowed them to play their game by keeping our attacking players on the bench until it was too late. But Mourinho/Southgate will soldier on I am sure.
A quick check shows you've been quiet recently on England and then suddenly post after we lose... funny that.
Because I don't like Southgate's defensive approach to the game when we have so much attacking talent on the bench. We fluked the win against Denmark and sat back when ahead against Italy. I like winning, but you don't win trophies without taking chances. Southgate does not have that in his locker,. Maybe this will change him, maybe not.
You don't like the approach that got us to the final?
No. Because it is also why we lost the final.
Ah okay so if we'd played all out attack and been done on the counter losing to Germany or Denmark, that'd be fine right?!
I haven't been impressed with the team all tournament. Apart from the Ukrainian match we've flattered to deceive. Far too negative - basically 1 striker & 2 supporting players and the rest defensive players. Like watching Charlton there was far too much backwards & sideways passing.
Is negativity/caution part of your working life that has spilled over into how you see football?
Not at all. I just like to see open & attacking football. Not mindless passing around the back that inevitably leads to the goalkeeper hoofing it upfield.
Bet you hated the Italian teams of old then - Or the Portuguese team that won Euro 2016?
Also saving two substitutions until the 120th minute when he could have used them earlier to try and win the game in extra time?
Exactly. Might as well have gone for it & tried to actually win the match. We lost anyway so the "tactic" didn't work. Rather try & fail than not try at all.
Mancini's subs changed the game, Southgate's did not. So much for tactical nous. Italy were the better team and we allowed them to play their game by keeping our attacking players on the bench until it was too late. But Mourinho/Southgate will soldier on I am sure.
A quick check shows you've been quiet recently on England and then suddenly post after we lose... funny that.
Because I don't like Southgate's defensive approach to the game when we have so much attacking talent on the bench. We fluked the win against Denmark and sat back when ahead against Italy. I like winning, but you don't win trophies without taking chances. Southgate does not have that in his locker,. Maybe this will change him, maybe not.
You mean because you didn't have the bollocks to say anything when we were winning, but couldn't wait to start publicly masturbating when we lost?
Clearly the most level headed response to losing a final on penalties is to rip up the entire blueprint of our recent successes and go back to the days of Sven and Capello where at least we took the game to the opposition.
Clearly the most level headed response to losing a final on penalties is to rip up the entire blueprint of our recent successes and go back to the days of Sven and Capello where at least we took the game to the opposition.
Only positive with that approach is we'll have a Manager who'll pick the same squad every game because they'll be too lazy to do any serious research into some of the younger players coming through the England Youth Teams etc.
Sven and Capello were both dogshit managers for England and Southgate has already achieved ten times what those money grabbing crapnuggets ever did for England.
It can come down to who fancies it at the time. A good penalty taker can get a bit of doubt in their head and then they are best ducking out, but they run the risk of being called a coward. Really, you don't want heroes, you want confidence but you can't predict where it will be when the stakes are at their highest.
Clearly the most level headed response to losing a final on penalties is to rip up the entire blueprint of our recent successes and go back to the days of Sven and Capello where at least we took the game to the opposition.
Only positive with that approach is we'll have a Manager who'll pick the same squad every game because they'll be too lazy to do any serious research into some of the younger players coming through the England Youth Teams etc.
When they do pick those kids... They won't use them.
Clearly the most level headed response to losing a final on penalties is to rip up the entire blueprint of our recent successes and go back to the days of Sven and Capello where at least we took the game to the opposition.
Only positive with that approach is we'll have a Manager who'll pick the same squad every game because they'll be too lazy to do any serious research into some of the younger players coming through the England Youth Teams etc.
When they do pick those kids... They won't use them.
Dont think Peter Crouch was that young in 2006 was he?
So much hindsight power coming through here I wonder why some of you didn’t warn us about Covid. The whole inexperience/they were cold coming on/John Stones should have stepped up story is just silliness. Take a breath, go to bed, calm down. We got to the final, we lost the toss and had to go second which does for teams over 60% of the time and some of our players missed against a 400ft goalkeeper who guessed the right way twice. Pickford was brilliant but we lost by the finest of margins. Italy’s best penalty taker, Chelsea’s top scorer this season purely through pens, had his saved. You can spend hours debating whether we should have brought on Calvert-Lewin or left Trippier on to take a pen or brought Eric Dier seeing as he scored his pen against Colombia, or seen if Le Tissier had five minutes in him but in the end it’s a bit of luck and that’s the end of it. It’s sad that so much energy is wasted on the minutiae of sliding doors moments around penalties. There’s no magic formula, we did brilliantly to get to this point but it wasn’t to be. Roll on the World Cup
Dont really know what to say about the game apart from I didnt see what all the fuss about Italy was from the 1st half performance. We had nothing to worry about apart from Chiesa causing us problems.
I didnt expect to see us go into our shell and invite pressure on for the next 45 minutes. Why? We had no reason to do that but for some reason we just didnt turn up 2nd half.
I think I'll be more gutted tomorrow but right now I'm just happy I've seen us in a final for the 1st time in my 34 years. The build up to the final. The win against Germany and Denmark in particular was pukka. Not too long until we to again in the world cup.
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A man like Southgate should lknow more than anyone the pressure of penalties.
To bring two cold show ponies on for the last minute just so they could take one is pretty off.
We bang on about our attacking talent but that was a humiliation. He fuc*ING hung them out to dry there. If they're that good bloody play them.
Steve Holland frantically searching through his notepad for the answers was a bit of a joke.
Go with experience.
He is definitely a penalty shootout specialist.
I didnt expect to see us go into our shell and invite pressure on for the next 45 minutes. Why? We had no reason to do that but for some reason we just didnt turn up 2nd half.
I think I'll be more gutted tomorrow but right now I'm just happy I've seen us in a final for the 1st time in my 34 years. The build up to the final. The win against Germany and Denmark in particular was pukka. Not too long until we to again in the world cup.
Two tournaments and a semi final and final for Southgate so I can’t knock him.
I think scoring early didn’t actually do us any favours. We were far too deep for large periods (reminded me of Charlton).