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Post-match Thread: Charlton v Wigan — 21/8/2021

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  • I defy anyone to show me a squad of the past that is worse than this . How have they let it get this bad ? 
    That second season in league one under Parkinson. That was some shit team.
    Yes I agree. Parky's team in that televised game was the lowest football can possibly get
    I’d be interested to compare teams . Anyone know that team ? 
  • edited August 2021
    I defy anyone to show me a squad of the past that is worse than this . How have they let it get this bad ? 
    That second season in league one under Parkinson. That was some shit team.
    Yes I agree. Parky's team in that televised game was the lowest football can possibly get
    I’d be interested to compare teams . Anyone know that team ? 

  • edited August 2021
    Feel sorry for the players, who are being let down as much as the fans. What we don’t know is what Roddy, Gallen and Adkins are saying to Sandgaard. If they are not telling him the squad is seriously inadequate then the fault is with them. If they are and he is not listening it’s with him. Maybe it’s a bit of both.
    @Airman Brown Which side do you think is more likely? Gallen has a good track record, so its hard to believe he would see this squad as adequate to mount a promotion challenge. 
  • What is Roddy's purpose exactly? Is anyone quality controlling this one? 


    Cafc43v3r said:
    Feel sorry for the players, who are being let down as much as the fans. What we don’t know is what Roddy, Gallen and Adkins are saying to Sandgaard. If they are not telling him the squad is seriously inadequate then the fault is with them. If they are and he is not listening it’s with him. Maybe it’s a bit of both.
    Or Adkins is telling Roddy and Roddy isn't telling Sandgaard or Adkins is telling Gallen and Sandgaard and he tells them to tell Roddy.  Or or or we have no idea.

    The problem when the manager doesn't get the final say is Thomas will ask Adkins why we are losing he will say its the players aren't good enough, then Roddy will tell him they are.  Its almost impossible for Thomas, or any of us, to say with 100% clarity, if its the players or the way they are managed.  That's how infighting starts. 

    I said last season if we lost the 5 worst players and replaced them with 5 "best" players we would stand a very good chance of going up this season.  We lost the 5 worst but also 5 of the best! 

    It says a lot about the quality of the squad that JFC, Gilbey and Purrington would improve the team ten fold.  It says a lot about the speed of the recruitment that they have been unavailable for 4 months, 2 months and 4 weeks and haven't been replaced. 


    As disappointed as I am I have to once again remind myself that this time last year my beloved Charlton were about to go bust and there would have been no Valley in which to attend and curse the person who ensured this didn't happen.  

    He is a bit of a maverick. He has an awful taste in music and 
  • CAFCTrev said:
    Feel sorry for the players, who are being let down as much as the fans. What we don’t know is what Roddy, Gallen and Adkins are saying to Sandgaard. If they are not telling him the squad is seriously inadequate then the fault is with them. If they are and he is not listening it’s with him. Maybe it’s a bit of both.
    Which side do you think is more likely? Gallen has a good track record, so its hard to believe he would see this squad as adequate to mount a promotion challenge. 
    We just need to worry about staying up now. That’s how far off we are IMO and relegation is unthinkable for this club.

    We need to try and stay in the division and then hope TS either finds the budget or sells to someone who has it ….. cos we aren’t going anywhere on the current approach.
  • I’m mr positive. Fuck off adkins and your shitty walks. 4 defeats in 5. Time to go
    Disaster of a start. But wanting the manager to go after 4 league games and 1 in the cup is ridiculous. 

    It’s possible Adkins may take matters into his own hands and walk. He’s been done up like a kipper with the absolute abysmal nature of our recruitment. No way would he have taken the job if he knew that he’d have these tools to play with.
    Said this a few days back, there's no way having turned down many approaches over the last couple of years that he has come in knowing the budget he would be working under.
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  • edited August 2021
    Cafc43v3r said:
    I defy anyone to show me a squad of the past that is worse than this . How have they let it get this bad ? 
    That second season in league one under Parkinson. That was some shit team.
    Yes I agree. Parky's team in that televised game was the lowest football can possibly get
    I’d be interested to compare teams . Anyone know that team ? 

    Yes that’s pretty bad but what would we give for Semedo and Jackson in our current midfield? 
    Yeah but Jackson was the left back...... 
  • RedPanda said:
    MattF said:
    That’s how to do it. Football’s a simple game really.
    They put in a few diagonal crosses that looked like potential goals as well. We were clueless.

    Kirk had a shot on target so I make that one in 180 minutes at home. 
    It was deflected off target
  • Charlton

    • 25 Randolph
    • 03 Youga
    • 18 S Sodje
    • 31 Omozusi
    • 35 Dailly
    • 04 Bailey
    • 06 Semedoyellow card (Wagstaff 85)
    • 07 Shelvey (Burton 68)
    • 08 Racon
    • 11 Sam
    • 15 McLeod (McKenzie 68)

    Substitutes

    • 32 Binks, 

    • 05 Llera, 
    • 12 Basey, 
    • 16 Wagstaff, 
    • 14 Spring, 
    • 09 McKenzie, 
    • 10 Burton
    The squad that lost LIVE on telly to Northwich Victoria. Surely THIS was the nadir? 
  • redman said:
    BigDiddy said:
    CAFCTrev said:
    LoOkOuT said:
    Trust that the recruitment team is working hard to address the obvious weaknesses. 
    Theyve had since the end of last season!
    There is NO MONEY - a few last minute loans, just like the Tranmere [league 3] reject we got yesterday. TS is happy with this set up.
    We have so far spent £2m on transfers. Bowyer could only dream of that sort of investment! 

    redman said:
    J BLOCK said:
    People blaming Adkins are mad, it’s TS who has the cheque book and he’s given us a budget that gets us Dobson and Clare. Can’t describe how pissed off I am. 
    TS has given us a bigger budget than most teams. Very few have spent as much money as us. Stockley £750k (outbidding Portsmouth) £500k on Kirk and others. 
    As for Dobson and Clare, I'm not sure who signed them but in case you didn't notice Clare didn't play today!
    Tactics were dreadful. That was our biggest downfall
    You keep spouting there figures. And then are wrong.

    Firstly, the transfers are usually "undisclosed" so you have no more knowledge then anyone else. I believe the figures knocking about for Stockley was less than £500k....£400k I remember being quoted on here over the summer. Kirk we believe had a release clause of £500k.....but againt hat has never been stated publicly. Clare from Oxford was in the region of £100k if Robinson can be believed.....and I think Dobson was released from his contract.

    So I reckon £1m is about the right figure.

     
    You are correct in that figures are undisclosed. Why you think your figures are more accurate than those genareally accepted I don't know. Particularly as Stockley was in a bidding war with Pompey and although that was decided on wages Preston would not have gone along if our bid didn't at least match theirs. Also wages are a factor. if you think we are paying no more for Stockley than we did last year then I am surprised to say the least. My figure is probably toppy but even if your £1m were to be right (which I don't believe) it is still far more than Bowyer even spent. 
  • edited August 2021
    Cafc43v3r said:
    I defy anyone to show me a squad of the past that is worse than this . How have they let it get this bad ? 
    That second season in league one under Parkinson. That was some shit team.
    Yes I agree. Parky's team in that televised game was the lowest football can possibly get
    I’d be interested to compare teams . Anyone know that team ? 

    Many of them went on to better things
  • Feel sorry for the players, who are being let down as much as the fans. What we don’t know is what Roddy, Gallen and Adkins are saying to Sandgaard. If they are not telling him the squad is seriously inadequate then the fault is with them. If they are and he is not listening it’s with him. Maybe it’s a bit of both.
    No disrespect, and I know TS is a little wet around the ears but I reckon my old Nan could tell the squad is inadequate
    So TS sets a budget probably 4th or 5th highest in the division and it's his fault we are in the relegation zone? 
  • Charlton

    • 25 Randolph
    • 03 Youga
    • 18 S Sodje
    • 31 Omozusi
    • 35 Dailly
    • 04 Bailey
    • 06 Semedoyellow card (Wagstaff 85)
    • 07 Shelvey (Burton 68)
    • 08 Racon
    • 11 Sam
    • 15 McLeod (McKenzie 68)

    Substitutes

    • 32 Binks, 

    • 05 Llera, 
    • 12 Basey, 
    • 16 Wagstaff, 
    • 14 Spring, 
    • 09 McKenzie, 
    • 10 Burton
    The squad that lost LIVE on telly to Northwich Victoria. Surely THIS was the nadir? 
    5 or 6 of that starting XI get in today’s team, IMO, and most of that bench is better than we had on offer to us today as well. 
  • edited August 2021
    shirty5 said:
    HandG said:
    I thought that today was probably the best I’ve seen us play this season (seen three of four games) but sadly that isn’t saying too much. 

    It is interesting to read the majority of the XI getting coated on here by one poster or another-in the main I saw players giving 100% for the team but sadly, at the moment, we just lack quality particularly in the attacking third. 

    In saying that, one thing that did piss me off and led to us conceding the opener was our wingers not tracking their full backs. We’re Charlton, not Barcelona, and these bods need to realise that they need to do their bit defensively and not just stand around like dickheads especially when they haven’t beat their man for most of the game nor put in a cross in anger. I know it’s his debut but if Blackett Taylor stays with his man, they don’t score. In a game that tight, the finest of margins are so important and we can’t keep doing it. 
    They give their all for the shirt, and I won’t deny them that. We have all seen enough chancers in the past nicking a wage wearing red but most of these fellas are just not good enough but that fault lies with the senior management who thought otherwise. 
    Very little to add tonight but for me, this was definitely our strongest performance of this season so far & I came out of The Valley saying that the result was harsh on a team that held their own for 99% of that game. The 2nd goal didn't matter - was merely the icing on Wigan's cake with our lads still recovering from their late winner.   

    Have to disagree on that one, I thought Sheff Weds was our best game so far. This was a moderate improvement on the last two aways, but it wasn't harsh on us at all, Wigan could have been 3 nil up at half time. If we nicked a draw it wouldn't have been deserved. I count 6 maybe 7 shots on target so far across all of our games this season? Thats appalling. 
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  • I’m mr positive. Fuck off adkins and your shitty walks. 4 defeats in 5. Time to go
    Disaster of a start. But wanting the manager to go after 4 league games and 1 in the cup is ridiculous. 

    It’s possible Adkins may take matters into his own hands and walk. He’s been done up like a kipper with the absolute abysmal nature of our recruitment. No way would he have taken the job if he knew that he’d have these tools to play with.
    Said this a few days back, there's no way having turned down many approaches over the last couple of years that he has come in knowing the budget he would be working under.
    Been thinking about this recently, maybe he's holding on to see what happens between now and the end of the window and then will decide. Part of me wouldn't be surprised if he walked but then you have to imagine if he has another one of these on his CV it does him a lot of harm for the future. 

    One thing is for sure if we don't get more quality in over the next week and a bit and Adkins walks we are in a crisis. 

  • JamesSeed said:
    Missed the first 10 mins, but for much of the game I thought we did well, but it was always the final pass that was lacking. 
    I don’t like criticising individual players, especially when they give 100%, but Morgan seems to have the ball more than any other player, and because he doesn’t use it very well our half decent build up play comes to nothing. An upgrade could make a massive difference. 
    The other thing is that our wingers both had decent games, but because we don’t get enough players in the box their crosses come to nothing. You won’t find Watson or Dobson in the box. Nor Morgan very often. DJ arrives too late, if at all. Kirk, who’s a league above, gets in the box quite well, and you can see him getting on the scoresheet. 
    So two better midfielders, one being a playmaker, are what we need, plus a back up CB. A left back too, ideally. 
    Agree with nearly all this. Particularly the point about not getting enough players in the box. When other sides attack there are often 3 4 or even 5 players getting in the box. With us it's Stockley. Morgan has come in come for a lot of critism and although I know he didn;t have a great game he seemed to be having to do 2 jobs. Both support Stockley and provide the service to him. I rememmber once in first half he fought hrd to get the ball, got past a couple pf players looked up and Stockley wa surrounded by 5 Wigan players with not another Charlton player within sight. Decided to go back rightly or wrongly. Stockley, our supposed captain had a real go at him for not crossing the ball to him. Morgan's head dropped for and Stockley continued to berate. Is that the way to captain? Although I can fully understand Stockley's frustration as he worked his arse off. 
  • There were times today where it looked to me that Morgan was trying to play as more of a 10 in a traditional 4-4-2. The gaps between him and Watson/Dobson were regularly huge, and Morgan simply doesn't have the ability to operate like that. Arguably this was supposed to be more like a 4-3-3, but with 2 holding midfielders (which I utterly detest), two traditional wingers and a singular centre forward, there's an ocean-sized gap for a natural box-to-box 10 to fill. This just doesn't play to his strengths at all - he won't dribble, he won't win second balls and just get muscled out.

    Even when Washington came on and we did go more legitimately 4-4-2, it still doesn't work. Washington wants to go into the same space Kirk does, naturally negating Kirk by pulling more players towards him. Steve Brown said the same thing last season about DJ - we want to create 1:1 situations for our wingers, and that starts with the players building those situations by creating space elsewhere. We tried switching play a few times in that way, but space is only generated in this way by solid passing and movement in midfield.

    We used to rely on Aneke to come on, hold the ball up and/or run at defenders, but the option has gone and has not been replaced. I feel like 4-4-2 would probably be the better system for us going forward, but it shifts reliance on to having both a new midfielder and a new 10-style forward, whereas we'd need a couple of midfielders to remain reliant on 4-3-3.
  • What are the odds on Adkins walking within 30 days of the window closing? Pretty high I reckon 
  • How often do managers actually ‘walk’?
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