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  • I mentioned this months back, but perhaps it is time to revisit, should winter EFL games be put back to kick off at 2pm to reduce use of floodlights and our national energy usage?
    I think 10,000 people sitting in the cold keeping themselves warm and "sharing" the floodlights is much better than 10,000 people sitting at home watching TV with the lights and heating on!

    This would just be one of those propaganda exercises to make people feel something was being "done". 
    I would think clubs would prefer not to have the cost of using the floodlights let alone saving precious resource for the wider good.
  • edited August 2022
    Just phoned up Octopus energy to ask if I’m on their ‘best rate’ they said I am (its a flexible rate) I asked if their was a fixed rate I could go on , they said it would cost £18500 a year 3 times my current rate  :#

    Anyone on here changed their energy supplier recently on a comparison website?
  • Compare the Meerkat not offering any fixed ‘dual’ fuel deals at the moment.

    Money Supermarket cheapest offer was £3 a month less than I’m paying, I thought it’s not worth the hassle as I’ve never heard of them.

    Hopefully my gas consumption will fall as we’ve had our aga (came with the house) taken out, all the while energy was relatively cheap it wasn’t too bad but not it’s mad prices!

    I guess if Sky doubled / trebled in price I’d bin that as well!
  • edited August 2022
    Energy boss on this morning's 'Wake Up To Money' says appreciable money can be saved by simply adjusting your boiler flow temperature.  Good explanation here.

    https://www.theheatinghub.co.uk/articles/turn-down-the-boiler-flow-temperature
    I did this at the start of the year and more than anything, I enjoy the fact that the radiators aren't boiling hot, once the room reaches heat it isn't a constant case of too hot then too cold, but a consistent temperature because the flow temp is lower. 

    Basically, saving or no saving, it's a lot nicer to live in a home with the radiators on for longer, at a lower temperature!
  • Huskaris said:
    Energy boss on this morning's 'Wake Up To Money' says appreciable money can be saved by simply adjusting your boiler flow temperature.  Good explanation here.

    https://www.theheatinghub.co.uk/articles/turn-down-the-boiler-flow-temperature
    I did this at the start of the year and more than anything, I enjoy the fact that the radiators aren't boiling hot, once the room reaches heat it isn't a constant case of too hot then too cold, but a consistent temperature because the flow temp is lower. 

    Basically, saving or no saving, it's a lot nicer to live in a home with the radiators on for longer, at a lower temperature!
    Exactly the point of heat pumps mate
  • Huskaris said:
    Energy boss on this morning's 'Wake Up To Money' says appreciable money can be saved by simply adjusting your boiler flow temperature.  Good explanation here.

    https://www.theheatinghub.co.uk/articles/turn-down-the-boiler-flow-temperature
    I did this at the start of the year and more than anything, I enjoy the fact that the radiators aren't boiling hot, once the room reaches heat it isn't a constant case of too hot then too cold, but a consistent temperature because the flow temp is lower. 

    Basically, saving or no saving, it's a lot nicer to live in a home with the radiators on for longer, at a lower temperature!
    Just remember if the flow is also heating your hot water it needs to be at a certain temp.
  • Just phoned up Octopus energy to ask if I’m on their ‘best rate’ they said I am (its a flexible rate) I asked if their was a fixed rate I could go on , they said it would cost £18500 a year 3 times my current rate  :#

    Anyone on here changed their energy supplier recently on a comparison website?
    No, because there is no benefit in doing so (at present).
    The cheapest rate is the variable capped rate & all companies are or should be the same.
  • There is a lot of talk of helping the poor here, which I support totally. But it is very important that the middle class get respite from the Tsunami approaching. If people are spending too much of their income on this, it will effect the economy as they won't spend it elsewhere, and create a serious recession.


    Very good point. People will have to choose between say energy and eating out as often as they normally would so cut down on going out, which leads to economic downturn, job losses etc. The Government needs to do something and I’m sure they will but will it be enough.
    I think we are well beyond this point for many households. Currently there are millions already in fuel poverty. Many are making the decision between buying energy or whether to eat. At all. Not cutting down on takeaways or meals out.

    This situation shames the country and should lead to a fundamental shift in the basic economic model that has allowed this to develop. But it won't. 


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  • MrWalker said:
    Someone's got to pay the bill.


    "May 2022, the average wholesale electricity price in France stood at 197.5 euros per megawatt-hour, an increase of roughly 257 percent compared to the same month a year prior. March 2022 saw the peak electricity price in the period of consideration, at more than 295 euros per megawatt-hour. In the past year, electricity prices in France soared, the consequence of an energy supply shortage which severely impacted Europe."
    Statista


     Won't be too dissimilar to what we've seen here.

    I'm all for renewable energy, but let me tell you when the wind ain't blowing that's when the grid balancers cheque books start to come out to get the less environmentally accepted assets up and running to get them out of the shit.
    We are heavily reliant on wind energy in this country now
    So we need investment- preferably govt - in solar and hydro,too
  • can some one explain to me why prices are going up, when large companies are making record profits? Surely the opposite would be true - their profits would be going down, forcing them to raise the price? What's going on? Some one explain like i'm 5.
    I skimmed over an article earlier that said they aren't making huge profits from wholesale energy/gas prices and are, in fact, seeing huge profits from exploratory work (or somesuch). Can I find the article now? Nope.
    Either way, if they weren't private companies with shareholders to please, they would be "robbing Peter to pay Paul", so to speak.


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    It’s a bizarre scenario I’m finding myself in. I have smart meters for both gas and electricity. I’m still 13 months away from my fixed price deal ending. Yesterday Shell e mailed me to say that based on my consumption and projection for next 13 months, my direct debit was reducing from £167 per month to £141 per month. All good. What I’d really prefer to do is continue paying £167 for the remainder of the contract and build up some credit which might take some of the sting out of what’s going to hit me in 13 months. Apparently that’s not doable. 
    Can’t you just make a one off payment to your account?
    When I phoned Shell they said that I couldn’t pay in excess of my projected useage based on my smart meter readings. I’m now paying £50 a month into a separate account and will let that build up and make a payment once my fixed rate deal ends in 12 and half months time.
    When I phoned Shell I asked them why they are capitalising on a war and bragging about record profits while people are struggling.  He palmed it off with the usual bullshit about different arms of the business.  wankers
    That is what BBW was referring to
  • Chaz Hill said:
    Far too late now but what a pity we didn’t follow the Norwegian model of dealing with ‘our’ North Sea oil and gas instead of the Thatcher model of sell everything off as quickly as possible to the private sector.
    Huge point that nobody mentions much. Tragedy. Norway are doing very VERY well.

    Chickens coming home to roost on privatisation 
  • Just looked at my Octopus energy app which now has a crystal ball setting which says what your monthly payments will be based on current analyst thinking.  According to that my dual bill goes from c £200pcm in August to £1200pcm in Jan!  In a relatively small 1930s suburbia house that is quite the jump!
    Absolutely insane, my electricity averages out at £8 a months. 

    Having no heating definitely help. Honestly can’t see a situation where I could move back to England. 
    I keep a finger over the eject button these days. Have looked into moving to Shenzhen. I realise that not everybody has that option - especially as we can no longer go and live and work without visa hurdles in 27 EU countries 
  • IdleHans said:
    I think the standing charges are a nonsense. Roll that cost into unit fuel prices and do away with standing charges altogether. This would increase the incentive to use less energy and help those who do.
    Interesting point
  • Put an underfloor heating manifold in my house.
    Cannot run above 50 degrees and oversized each radiator in each room
    Individual room stats control each radiator and every radiator comes from the manifold (flow/return)
    When ASHPs get better, makes a simple swap.
    Also insulating walls, floors as I progress with each room refurb.
  • Certainly not a look at him post, but if you live in a 1930s house and decorating a room, worth going with some insulated plasterboard. If on the ground floor, get some insulation under the floorboards.
    Unbelievable the difference it makes
  • ROTW said:
    Certainly not a look at him post, but if you live in a 1930s house and decorating a room, worth going with some insulated plasterboard. If on the ground floor, get some insulation under the floorboards.
    Unbelievable the difference it makes
    It's almost as if those Insulate Britain people had a point, eh! Buuuuut... they were mocked and vilified... hmmmm 
  • Yeah, still think they put their ideas across in an inappropriate manner.
  • Insulate Britain people have a good point, which they executed in an awful selfish manner.

    I wonder if supporters of their methods would still be 100% supportive, if they go to get in their car tomorrow, to go on their annual booked holiday and can't get anywhere because IBS (Insulate Britain Supporters) have super glued themselves across the only access road 1 mile away.

    Also glued themselves to the local train station and any other possible option.

    Awaits the first comment of "it would be a privilege for my family and I to miss our annual holiday and we fully support them super gluing themselves stopping emergencies and inconveniencing everyone.

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  • Insulate Britain people have a good point, which they executed in an awful selfish manner.

    I wonder if supporters of their methods would still be 100% supportive, if they go to get in their car tomorrow, to go on their annual booked holiday and can't get anywhere because IBS (Insulate Britain Supporters) have super glued themselves across the only access road 1 mile away.

    Also glued themselves to the local train station and any other possible option.

    Awaits the first comment of "it would be a privilege for my family and I to miss our annual holiday and we fully support them super gluing themselves stopping emergencies and inconveniencing everyone.

    I'd enjoy this one - no trains tomorrow anyway
  • Insulate Britain people have a good point, which they executed in an awful selfish manner.

    I wonder if supporters of their methods would still be 100% supportive, if they go to get in their car tomorrow, to go on their annual booked holiday and can't get anywhere because IBS (Insulate Britain Supporters) have super glued themselves across the only access road 1 mile away.

    Also glued themselves to the local train station and any other possible option.

    Awaits the first comment of "it would be a privilege for my family and I to miss our annual holiday and we fully support them super gluing themselves stopping emergencies and inconveniencing everyone.

    Glueing up the ticket machines, disrupting the lines, barracading the toilets and disrupting the service, that's Connex, not insulate Britain 
  • Rob7Lee said:
    Huskaris said:
    Energy boss on this morning's 'Wake Up To Money' says appreciable money can be saved by simply adjusting your boiler flow temperature.  Good explanation here.

    https://www.theheatinghub.co.uk/articles/turn-down-the-boiler-flow-temperature
    I did this at the start of the year and more than anything, I enjoy the fact that the radiators aren't boiling hot, once the room reaches heat it isn't a constant case of too hot then too cold, but a consistent temperature because the flow temp is lower. 

    Basically, saving or no saving, it's a lot nicer to live in a home with the radiators on for longer, at a lower temperature!
    Just remember if the flow is also heating your hot water it needs to be at a certain temp.
    Yeah, I have it at 65 (rather than 75) and the hot water is at 60, so it gets there. Thanks for that advice though because I am guessing the boiler would literally never switch off otherwise!
  • AndyG said:
    Huskaris said:
    Energy boss on this morning's 'Wake Up To Money' says appreciable money can be saved by simply adjusting your boiler flow temperature.  Good explanation here.

    https://www.theheatinghub.co.uk/articles/turn-down-the-boiler-flow-temperature
    I did this at the start of the year and more than anything, I enjoy the fact that the radiators aren't boiling hot, once the room reaches heat it isn't a constant case of too hot then too cold, but a consistent temperature because the flow temp is lower. 

    Basically, saving or no saving, it's a lot nicer to live in a home with the radiators on for longer, at a lower temperature!
    Exactly the point of heat pumps mate
    Yeah, I would definitely get a heat pump but I am guessing the adaptations I would need (larger radiators etc) mean that I will probably wait until I know I am going to get at least 10-15 years more out of the house. 

    Also, I moved in here just shy of 2 years ago and I think the boiler was about a year old at that time, would be a shame to replace it while it still has so much more life in it. Would be a much harder choice if I knew I was about to have to replace a boiler anyway. 
  • There is a lot of talk of helping the poor here, which I support totally. But it is very important that the middle class get respite from the Tsunami approaching. If people are spending too much of their income on this, it will effect the economy as they won't spend it elsewhere, and create a serious recession.


    Very good point. People will have to choose between say energy and eating out as often as they normally would so cut down on going out, which leads to economic downturn, job losses etc. The Government needs to do something and I’m sure they will but will it be enough.
    I think we are well beyond this point for many households. Currently there are millions already in fuel poverty. Many are making the decision between buying energy or whether to eat. At all. Not cutting down on takeaways or meals out.

    This situation shames the country and should lead to a fundamental shift in the basic economic model that has allowed this to develop. But it won't. 


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    Thank you very much - I like me too! Not sure it's universal on here though...

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  • Insulate Britain people have a good point, which they executed in an awful selfish manner.

    I wonder if supporters of their methods would still be 100% supportive, if they go to get in their car tomorrow, to go on their annual booked holiday and can't get anywhere because IBS (Insulate Britain Supporters) have super glued themselves across the only access road 1 mile away.

    Also glued themselves to the local train station and any other possible option.

    Awaits the first comment of "it would be a privilege for my family and I to miss our annual holiday and we fully support them super gluing themselves stopping emergencies and inconveniencing everyone.

    Did you ever notice that they only ever glued one hand to the floor.
    This allowed them to drink a nice cup of tea offered by the police.
  • Labour announced their plans today.
  • edited August 2022
    MrWalker said:
    No, they announced the pre existing Lib Dem plans with the words Lib Dems crossed out and Labour added in a childs colouring crayon.
    Still better than the current government have come with. Other than giving the energy suppliers our taxes.
  • Well they are their plans too now unless you are not allowed to take ideas from others.
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