Of all the under-performers so far this season I think that Gunter winds me up the most. He is a master of avoiding the ball. All that international experience, he should out front in taking responsibility on the pitch and lifting the younger players. He's an absolute wet weekend
We were in the furthest block to the right & so almost in line with the touchline. First half Gunter must have backed off more times than Frank Bruno facing Mike Tyson. Golfie Jnr was going mad & kept shouting at him to do something (like maybe put in a tackle).
Of all the under-performers so far this season I think that Gunter winds me up the most. He is a master of avoiding the ball. All that international experience, he should out front in taking responsibility on the pitch and lifting the younger players. He's an absolute wet weekend
Good luck Southbank With your application. Tutt-Tutt is the best Qualified; Both Muttley and myself have sent in our CV's but I was told that despite my success, with junior teams, Roll on and roll off subs don't count in adult football !!!
I'm sure it's all been said but that was an absolutely lamentable performance, with no discernible structure or pattern of play, save for mindless hoof ball. Wycombe didn't have to get out of second gear to beat us and the game could easily have ended up 3 or 4 nil, had they not taken their foot off the gas and substituted their attacking players. It feels like something is very wrong behind the scenes and if this level of performance is replicated against Gillingham, Pompey and Bolton (all tough games), Nigel Adkins will most certainly be gone. These players simply can't be as bad as they appear.
The only positives to take from that shambolic performance were Blackett-Taylor's excellent cameo and a solid defensive turn and debut goal from Sam Lavelle. I thought that Pape Souaré did ok as well, given how long he's been out. It was good to get 90 minutes into Arter, although he was as poor as the rest of his colleagues, failing to get on the ball and overhitting a number of corners. Gunter was particularly atrocious and it was no surprise that Wycombe sensibly concentrated their attacks down his side. I'd be very happy never to see him in a Charlton shirt again and how he was selected ahead of Matthews is beyond me.
I hope I'm wrong but I fear that things are about to turn ugly
I think Gunter was selected because it is a toss up who is the most shite this season and Gunter had the excuse he was playing out of position. An excuse that was not applicable yesterday.
Of all the under-performers so far this season I think that Gunter winds me up the most. He is a master of avoiding the ball. All that international experience, he should out front in taking responsibility on the pitch and lifting the younger players. He's an absolute wet weekend
Good luck Southbank With your application. Tutt-Tutt is the best Qualified; Both Muttley and myself have sent in our CV's but I was told that despite my success, with junior teams, Roll on and roll off subs don't count in adult football !!!
Sorry mate, the job’s gone.
Apologies James Seed, how could I forget the guy with the best DNA at Cafc. Can I be one of your coaches ?
Anyone know what the ruck was about during the 2nd half. On Facebook some are saying it was because someone hit someone who was booing the taking the knee, but what I don't get was if it was over that why did it all kick off in the 2nd half and not at the time?
I didn’t see the incident (call me Arsene) but there was a young lad who got kicked out went up first half got sent down and then went back up again when he then got chucked out.
It reminds me of last season - we are awful and can't even point to developing our youngsters in the first team as not a single home grown player is in the first 11.
I fucking hate how shit we are I hate boozing and I’ve been driven to drink yesterday I took the option of going to the cricket club , even though my son wasn’t playing and got pissed , rather than watch us on tv or go to Wycombe I still feel like shit and the Mrs hates me nearly as much as I hate Charlton . fcuk you charlton and every little wankstain shit fcuk Cnut that is pathetically dragging us in to this nightmare of bollox . boreoff Nigel with your happy optimistic take on a load of shit and take all the everything is great in wanky Charlton land with you . when punters like sage and scoham are scathing at our abjectness (is that a fucking word that makes any sense in this fucked up rant ) we know we are up shit creek
0% Top 2 5% Play offs 45% 7th-12th 47% 13th-20th 3% The big R
If you look at our last 3 more successful managers, all of them previously played for Charlton and all 3 won promotions 1.Curbs twice to the prem. 2.Powell to the championship but wasn't given autonomy or budget to build upon it. 3. Bowyer to the Championship. All 3 seemed to have the club at heart ( even though Bows went a bit strange in the end) and seemed to have whatever it is to get the best out of a squad over a whole season. Also none of the above were goalkeepers in their playing careers and with the exception of perhaps Nunes Espirito Sancho and Dino Zoff they are a very very rare breed as decent managers. Just some food for thought.
I fucking hate how shit we are I hate boozing and I’ve been driven to drink yesterday I took the option of going to the cricket club , even though my son wasn’t playing and got pissed , rather than watch us on tv or go to Wycombe I still feel like shit and the Mrs hates me nearly as much as I hate Charlton . fcuk you charlton and every little wankstain shit fcuk Cnut that is pathetically dragging us in to this nightmare of bollox . boreoff Nigel with your happy optimistic take on a load of shit and take all the everything is great in wanky Charlton land with you . when punters like sage and scoham are scathing at our abjectness (is that a fucking word that makes any sense in this fucked up rant ) we know we are up shit creek
0% Top 2 5% Play offs 45% 7th-12th 47% 13th-20th 3% The big R
I know it's all been said but I've got to get it off my chest. Definitely feels like there's something wrong at the club behind the scenes. I've no idea what it is though. Roddy's position & power makes me wonder is he the problem?
The club's policy of waiting/signing players late on in the window has to change. To many of them are unfit. The long term injury to JFC and Gilbey's long covid has been a perfect shitstorm for the club. NA appears not to know his best 11, plus the players are not performing for him, that's a recipe for a relegation struggle.
But what I don't understand is we have changed the manager, changed a lot of the players but we're still playing the same shite pub hoofball as last season ! Could JJ be the problem, I hate to say that and I'm just playing devils advocate without any inside information.
Actually believe it likely JJ is not a problem and if we lose our next two games against Gillingham and Pompey NA likely to be sacked. Give JJ & Jason a chance must be an option. I much prefer a young up an coming manager.
Everyone was calling for a change in formation, well Nige certainly delivered! Gunter at wingback lol. Terrible. Feel sorry for people who wasted their hard earned on this shit again. Something is seriously wrong. Tactics are non existent, but it's more a lack of "doing the basics well" and effort from seasoned professionals. I liked nige at first, but we can't afford to waste any time here. Get rid.
It seems we may drop Stockley but that leaves us in another awkward situation. The selected captain and talisman is dropped after 7 games as the team are constantly hoofing the ball to him. He will be moody and his like for like is Davison who is not proven at any level.
We are in 'restart the computer and might fix your problem' territory.
It seems we may drop Stockley but that leaves us in another awkward situation. The selected captain and talisman is dropped after 7 games as the team are constantly hoofing the ball to him. He will be moody and his like for like is Davison who is not proven at any level.
We are in 'restart the computer and might fix your problem' territory.
I wonder if we'll go with Leko or Lee with Washington.
I just hope the players remember not to hoof the ball up to them the same way
Remember when we played Fleetwood away when Lyle Taylor was suspended in 2018/19, we did similar at times with him and he was excellent bringing the ball out of the air in that sole striker role - Only against Fleetwood the players forgot it was Hackett-Fairchild up top and not Taylor so the ball was simply wasted every time it went forwards as they expected the same results.
It’s not Stockley fault the rest of the players keep lumping it up to him while he’s being marked by two or three defenders. To drop him would be incredibly harsh but I can see why it’s being suggested .
I love Stockley and think he has been fantastic so far for us in terms on contribution ( until other teams realised that they stop him they stop any threat ) and effort which has always been 100%. However NA has said a number of times that he keeps telling the players not to launch it long and if they are ignoring him than take that option away and drop Stockley
It seems we may drop Stockley but that leaves us in another awkward situation. The selected captain and talisman is dropped after 7 games as the team are constantly hoofing the ball to him. He will be moody and his like for like is Davison who is not proven at any level.
We are in 'restart the computer and might fix your problem' territory.
I know why people think Davison might be a like for like but I see them as different. Davison is not as good in the air as Stockley, but Stockley does not have the pain in the arse for defenders running power and tendency to never see anything as a lost cause. Certainly with Davison it would be unproductive to lump it up to him.
It’s not Stockley fault the rest of the players keep lumping it up to him while he’s being marked by two or three defenders. To drop him would be incredibly harsh but I can see why it’s being suggested .
I think it's utterly embarrassing that the manager is hinting he may drop Stockley because the rest of the players are ignoring his instructions.
It’s not Stockley fault the rest of the players keep lumping it up to him while he’s being marked by two or three defenders. To drop him would be incredibly harsh but I can see why it’s being suggested .
I think it's utterly embarrassing that the manager is hinting he may drop Stockley because the rest of the players are ignoring his instructions.
I think it's more that they don't feel able to play any other way.
You could see the chain of events unfold regularly, where we have the ball wide on the half way line, the forward momentum grinds to a halt and we end up going backwards, with the keeper or centre backs kicking it long in the general direction of Stockley.
And even when Stockley wins the header, we NEVER win the second ball as none of the other players are there for the knockdown
Now I may have only played semi pro football and managed decent standard sides but I am completely baffled how the manager tells the players NOT to hoof it, yet they consistently do.
It's nonsensical! If you tell players that you don't lump it and I want you to play pressing and passing football, then as a player you do that knowing if it goes wrong, you turn round and tell the boss "but you said play football".
You don't go against the managers wishes and just lump it to the big man !
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Please bring back Powell and/or Curbs?
Not that he's a World beater, but he at least tries...
The only positives to take from that shambolic performance were Blackett-Taylor's excellent cameo and a solid defensive turn and debut goal from Sam Lavelle. I thought that Pape Souaré did ok as well, given how long he's been out. It was good to get 90 minutes into Arter, although he was as poor as the rest of his colleagues, failing to get on the ball and overhitting a number of corners. Gunter was particularly atrocious and it was no surprise that Wycombe sensibly concentrated their attacks down his side. I'd be very happy never to see him in a Charlton shirt again and how he was selected ahead of Matthews is beyond me.
I hope I'm wrong but I fear that things are about to turn ugly
Apologies James Seed, how could I forget the guy with the best DNA at Cafc.
Can I be one of your coaches ?
Run around a lot must be the new mantra.
Stockley
Lee
DJ
MacGillvray
Famwo
Leko
Washington
Kirk
but as I said , our manager can’t get a tune out of them.
I hate boozing and I’ve been driven to drink
yesterday I took the option of going to the cricket club , even though my son wasn’t playing and got pissed , rather than watch us on tv or go to Wycombe
I still feel like shit and the Mrs hates me nearly as much as I hate Charlton .
fcuk you charlton and every little wankstain shit fcuk Cnut that is pathetically dragging us in to this nightmare of bollox .
boreoff Nigel with your happy optimistic take on a load of shit and take all the everything is great in wanky Charlton land with you .
when punters like sage and scoham are scathing at our abjectness (is that a fucking word that makes any sense in this fucked up rant ) we know we are up shit creek
0% Top 2
5% Play offs
45% 7th-12th
47% 13th-20th
3% The big R
1.Curbs twice to the prem.
2.Powell to the championship but wasn't given autonomy or budget to build upon it.
3. Bowyer to the Championship.
All 3 seemed to have the club at heart ( even though Bows went a bit strange in the end) and seemed to have whatever it is to get the best out of a squad over a whole season.
Also none of the above were goalkeepers in their playing careers and with the exception of perhaps Nunes Espirito Sancho and Dino Zoff they are a very very rare breed as decent managers.
Just some food for thought.
Definitely feels like there's something wrong at the club behind the scenes.
I've no idea what it is though.
Roddy's position & power makes me wonder is he the problem?
The club's policy of waiting/signing players late on in the window has to change. To many of them are unfit.
The long term injury to JFC and Gilbey's long covid has been a perfect shitstorm for the club.
NA appears not to know his best 11, plus the players are not performing for him, that's a recipe for a relegation struggle.
But what I don't understand is we have changed the manager, changed a lot of the players but we're still playing the same shite pub hoofball as last season !
Could JJ be the problem, I hate to say that and I'm just playing devils advocate without any inside information.
Actually believe it likely JJ is not a problem and if we lose our next two games against Gillingham and Pompey NA likely to be sacked. Give JJ & Jason a chance must be an option.
I much prefer a young up an coming manager.
PS. Back to basics Nigel, 4-4-2 please.
We are in 'restart the computer and might fix your problem' territory.
I just hope the players remember not to hoof the ball up to them the same way
Remember when we played Fleetwood away when Lyle Taylor was suspended in 2018/19, we did similar at times with him and he was excellent bringing the ball out of the air in that sole striker role - Only against Fleetwood the players forgot it was Hackett-Fairchild up top and not Taylor so the ball was simply wasted every time it went forwards as they expected the same results.
Certainly with Davison it would be unproductive to lump it up to him.
You could see the chain of events unfold regularly, where we have the ball wide on the half way line, the forward momentum grinds to a halt and we end up going backwards, with the keeper or centre backs kicking it long in the general direction of Stockley.
And even when Stockley wins the header, we NEVER win the second ball as none of the other players are there for the knockdown
It's nonsensical! If you tell players that you don't lump it and I want you to play pressing and passing football, then as a player you do that knowing if it goes wrong, you turn round and tell the boss "but you said play football".
You don't go against the managers wishes and just lump it to the big man !