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Gillingham v Charlton Athletic | Tuesday 21st September 2021 | Match Preview
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1) Football’s a strange business, it’s difficult to compare it to anything else. Would I care if someone in my job leaked something confidential about my role? Not really, but that doesn’t mean Adkins wouldn’t care - so I take your point.cabbles said:Chris_from_Sidcup said:For those moaning about the leaking of lineups, we're playing Steve Evans' Gillingham, not some tactical mastermind, i doubt it will make a blind bit of difference.
Southgate's England teams were leaked by our press a day before every single Euro match and i'm quite sure it had no effect on the outcomes at all.
These miss the point. Regardless of what you think of Adkins, how would you like it if it was someone in your place of work leaking confidential stuff relating to your role? Of course, it’s only Gillingham and I doubt very much them knowing our team will do much to alter the result (it may help Gillingham though). As for transfers, you’re conflating two separate issues. Leaks and insights into possible players coming in/out is very much part of the business of transfers. Letting the public know of likely team line ups 24 hours ahead of a game is taking the piss with an obligation/professional duty of care whoever is in the know signs up for, when they are employed by Charlton. Doesn’t sit right with me personallyElliotCAFC said:
Ha, traitors to the club! Behave yourself. Who are you, the Gestapo?jimmymelrose said:
Really?ElliotCAFC said:
It’s the correct team sheet. That’s what will start tomorrow.DOUCHER said:this ain't looking good VFRfor life - might be worth clarifying whether this is your guess or info you have received otherwise, whether u r right or wrong, u r not going to look good
You and @VFR4life could fairly be accused of being traitors to the club then, couldn't you?I confirmed I’d heard exactly the same thing about the team playing against Gillingham. It’s not from a secret inside source, I heard it from a plasterer! He certainly doesn’t have any inside info, for all I know he read it on here.It’s interesting to see the 180 flip regarding leaks. It was only a couple of weeks ago most were on their knees begging for transfer leaks from @VFR4life. I don’t recall any concern about it back then?If you encouraged transfer leaks but don’t want to hear about team sheets, it would unbecoming to take the moral high ground.2) I think you’re conflating rumours with leaks. One is hearsay, the other is private information being distributed without permission. That’s where it gets tricky, “ITK’s” seem to be idolised on this forum, we’ve even got posters tracking their reliability.The problem is, it’s not clear what is and isn’t acceptable for an ITK to dish out. Genuinely, why is it okay to leak transfer dealings but not okay to leak a team sheet, or dressing room feuds, or boardroom disputes? Leaks can jeopardise transfers happening, which in turn could have a significant impact on people’s livelihoods. I think it’s disingenuous to neglect that possible reality because we get a dopamine hit every time more transfer news comes to light.I’m not arguing for either side, it’s just a little strange to demonise an ITK for doing the exact same thing we were praising them for doing not long ago.0 -
That's a good point.ParkinsonOut said:IF Stockley is dropped tonight, we’ll miss his presence in defence heading away the Gills corners 🤦🏻♀️
For all his plus points MacGillivray doesn't like to claim high balls floated into the box.
He seems to be from the Jeff Wood school of "I'll play statues whilst you lot head it away".
Let's hope young Davison is up to the task0 -
On route. Feeling ominous, could be a pivotal evening
Win or lose, on the booze.
Come on you reds5 -
I think we'll draw this 1-1.0
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Not knocking anyone for releasing the information but if someone comes on here and say..."yes, that's what I've heard too".....and then we find out that their "confirmation" came from a plasterer then I'm sorry I don't give that person much credibility......unless the plasterer had just come from Sparrows Lane after finishing the dressing rooms there.ElliotCAFC said:
1) Football’s a strange business, it’s difficult to compare it to anything else. Would I care if someone in my job leaked something confidential about my role? Not really, but that doesn’t mean Adkins wouldn’t care - so I take your point.cabbles said:Chris_from_Sidcup said:For those moaning about the leaking of lineups, we're playing Steve Evans' Gillingham, not some tactical mastermind, i doubt it will make a blind bit of difference.
Southgate's England teams were leaked by our press a day before every single Euro match and i'm quite sure it had no effect on the outcomes at all.
These miss the point. Regardless of what you think of Adkins, how would you like it if it was someone in your place of work leaking confidential stuff relating to your role? Of course, it’s only Gillingham and I doubt very much them knowing our team will do much to alter the result (it may help Gillingham though). As for transfers, you’re conflating two separate issues. Leaks and insights into possible players coming in/out is very much part of the business of transfers. Letting the public know of likely team line ups 24 hours ahead of a game is taking the piss with an obligation/professional duty of care whoever is in the know signs up for, when they are employed by Charlton. Doesn’t sit right with me personallyElliotCAFC said:
Ha, traitors to the club! Behave yourself. Who are you, the Gestapo?jimmymelrose said:
Really?ElliotCAFC said:
It’s the correct team sheet. That’s what will start tomorrow.DOUCHER said:this ain't looking good VFRfor life - might be worth clarifying whether this is your guess or info you have received otherwise, whether u r right or wrong, u r not going to look good
You and @VFR4life could fairly be accused of being traitors to the club then, couldn't you?I confirmed I’d heard exactly the same thing about the team playing against Gillingham. It’s not from a secret inside source, I heard it from a plasterer! He certainly doesn’t have any inside info, for all I know he read it on here.It’s interesting to see the 180 flip regarding leaks. It was only a couple of weeks ago most were on their knees begging for transfer leaks from @VFR4life. I don’t recall any concern about it back then?If you encouraged transfer leaks but don’t want to hear about team sheets, it would unbecoming to take the moral high ground.2) I think you’re conflating rumours with leaks. One is hearsay, the other is private information being distributed without permission. That’s where it gets tricky, “ITK’s” seem to be idolised on this forum, we’ve even got posters tracking their reliability.The problem is, it’s not clear what is and isn’t acceptable for an ITK to dish out. Genuinely, why is it okay to leak transfer dealings but not okay to leak a team sheet, or dressing room feuds, or boardroom disputes? Leaks can jeopardise transfers happening, which in turn could have a significant impact on people’s livelihoods. I think it’s disingenuous to neglect that possible reality because we get a dopamine hit every time more transfer news comes to light.I’m not arguing for either side, it’s just a little strange to demonise an ITK for doing the exact same thing we were praising them for doing not long ago.
As you said.....the plasterer most likely read it on here.2 -
Thank you for asking, I am fine.ElliotCAFC said:
Mate, is everything okay? There’s really no need for animosity over such trivial things.Redrobo said:
So when you confirmed that was the team that would be playing, you were in fact totally clueless. I believe you.ElliotCAFC said:
Ha, traitors to the club! Behave yourself. Who are you, the Gestapo?jimmymelrose said:
Really?ElliotCAFC said:
It’s the correct team sheet. That’s what will start tomorrow.DOUCHER said:this ain't looking good VFRfor life - might be worth clarifying whether this is your guess or info you have received otherwise, whether u r right or wrong, u r not going to look good
You and @VFR4life could fairly be accused of being traitors to the club then, couldn't you?I confirmed I’d heard exactly the same thing about the team playing against Gillingham. It’s not from a secret inside source, I heard it from a plasterer! He certainly doesn’t have any inside info, for all I know he read it on here.It’s interesting to see the 180 flip regarding leaks. It was only a couple of weeks ago most were on their knees begging for transfer leaks from @VFR4life. I don’t recall any concern about it back then?If you encouraged transfer leaks but don’t want to hear about team sheets, it would unbecoming to take the moral high ground.Acting needlessly combative on the internet isn’t healthy for anyone.
I am too old to understand the internet game of pretending to be in the know as a bit of a jape, but I guess it was a bit of fun seeing all the angry responses?
I don’t get it myself but hey ho.
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Work done, straight to the off-licence for some train beers and on the way. Hoping for a huge needed 3 points.0
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That’s fine mate, I’m not seeking your credibility. I wouldn’t believe it either, but it doesn’t hurt to post what you’ve heard.golfaddick said:
Not knocking anyone for releasing the information but if someone comes on here and say..."yes, that's what I've heard too".....and then we find out that their "confirmation" came from a plasterer then I'm sorry I don't give that person much credibility......unless the plasterer had just come from Sparrows Lane after finishing the dressing rooms there.ElliotCAFC said:
1) Football’s a strange business, it’s difficult to compare it to anything else. Would I care if someone in my job leaked something confidential about my role? Not really, but that doesn’t mean Adkins wouldn’t care - so I take your point.cabbles said:Chris_from_Sidcup said:For those moaning about the leaking of lineups, we're playing Steve Evans' Gillingham, not some tactical mastermind, i doubt it will make a blind bit of difference.
Southgate's England teams were leaked by our press a day before every single Euro match and i'm quite sure it had no effect on the outcomes at all.
These miss the point. Regardless of what you think of Adkins, how would you like it if it was someone in your place of work leaking confidential stuff relating to your role? Of course, it’s only Gillingham and I doubt very much them knowing our team will do much to alter the result (it may help Gillingham though). As for transfers, you’re conflating two separate issues. Leaks and insights into possible players coming in/out is very much part of the business of transfers. Letting the public know of likely team line ups 24 hours ahead of a game is taking the piss with an obligation/professional duty of care whoever is in the know signs up for, when they are employed by Charlton. Doesn’t sit right with me personallyElliotCAFC said:
Ha, traitors to the club! Behave yourself. Who are you, the Gestapo?jimmymelrose said:
Really?ElliotCAFC said:
It’s the correct team sheet. That’s what will start tomorrow.DOUCHER said:this ain't looking good VFRfor life - might be worth clarifying whether this is your guess or info you have received otherwise, whether u r right or wrong, u r not going to look good
You and @VFR4life could fairly be accused of being traitors to the club then, couldn't you?I confirmed I’d heard exactly the same thing about the team playing against Gillingham. It’s not from a secret inside source, I heard it from a plasterer! He certainly doesn’t have any inside info, for all I know he read it on here.It’s interesting to see the 180 flip regarding leaks. It was only a couple of weeks ago most were on their knees begging for transfer leaks from @VFR4life. I don’t recall any concern about it back then?If you encouraged transfer leaks but don’t want to hear about team sheets, it would unbecoming to take the moral high ground.2) I think you’re conflating rumours with leaks. One is hearsay, the other is private information being distributed without permission. That’s where it gets tricky, “ITK’s” seem to be idolised on this forum, we’ve even got posters tracking their reliability.The problem is, it’s not clear what is and isn’t acceptable for an ITK to dish out. Genuinely, why is it okay to leak transfer dealings but not okay to leak a team sheet, or dressing room feuds, or boardroom disputes? Leaks can jeopardise transfers happening, which in turn could have a significant impact on people’s livelihoods. I think it’s disingenuous to neglect that possible reality because we get a dopamine hit every time more transfer news comes to light.I’m not arguing for either side, it’s just a little strange to demonise an ITK for doing the exact same thing we were praising them for doing not long ago.
As you said.....the plasterer most likely read it on here.
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Will be stunned if we don't easily win this. I would expect a 3 goal margin.4
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Okay mate, I’d really rather not be sucked into the void of bitterness so we’ll agree to disagree.Redrobo said:
Thank you for asking, I am fine.ElliotCAFC said:
Mate, is everything okay? There’s really no need for animosity over such trivial things.Redrobo said:
So when you confirmed that was the team that would be playing, you were in fact totally clueless. I believe you.ElliotCAFC said:
Ha, traitors to the club! Behave yourself. Who are you, the Gestapo?jimmymelrose said:
Really?ElliotCAFC said:
It’s the correct team sheet. That’s what will start tomorrow.DOUCHER said:this ain't looking good VFRfor life - might be worth clarifying whether this is your guess or info you have received otherwise, whether u r right or wrong, u r not going to look good
You and @VFR4life could fairly be accused of being traitors to the club then, couldn't you?I confirmed I’d heard exactly the same thing about the team playing against Gillingham. It’s not from a secret inside source, I heard it from a plasterer! He certainly doesn’t have any inside info, for all I know he read it on here.It’s interesting to see the 180 flip regarding leaks. It was only a couple of weeks ago most were on their knees begging for transfer leaks from @VFR4life. I don’t recall any concern about it back then?If you encouraged transfer leaks but don’t want to hear about team sheets, it would unbecoming to take the moral high ground.Acting needlessly combative on the internet isn’t healthy for anyone.
I am too old to understand the internet game of pretending to be in the know as a bit of a jape, but I guess it was a bit of fun seeing all the angry responses?
I don’t get it myself but hey ho.0 -
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Think Adkins has to decide between embracing a bit of Stockley ball like he did when he first came in last season.
A slight 442/ 433 with Washington playing closer to Stockley.
McGillivray
Matthews Lavelle Famewo SouareArter DobsonCBT
KirkWashington
Stockley
Not pretty but we need points.
Or, persist with what we guess is a technical, build up passing game and select the players that fit that - even if that means sacrificing a more solid midfield and playing unfancied players.
4231/442/433whateverelseitcanbeinandoutofpossession
McGillivrayMatthews Lavelle Famewo Souare
Morgan Arter
CBT KirkLeeWashingtonThis removes Stockley's head, can play it through the middle and push the ball out wide, whip some low balls in for Washington and Lee to run onto. Sounds good in theory but then I'm just a random bloke on the internet and not a coach.
Whatever happens, 1-2 win0 -
Welcome to the wonderful world of supporting Charlton. When are you planning to watch your first game?Athletico Charlton said:Will be stunned if we don't easily win this. I would expect a 3 goal margin.5 -
Playing 2 wingers with our slow/ semi fit midfield would be suicidal.CL_Phantom said:Think Adkins has to decide between embracing a bit of Stockley ball like he did when he first came in last season.
A slight 442/ 433 with Washington playing closer to Stockley.
McGillivray
Matthews Lavelle Famewo SouareArter DobsonCBT
KirkWashington
Stockley
Not pretty but we need points.
Or, persist with what we guess is a technical, build up passing game and select the players that fit that - even if that means sacrificing a more solid midfield and playing unfancied players.
4231/442/433whateverelseitcanbeinandoutofpossession
McGillivrayMatthews Lavelle Famewo Souare
Morgan Arter
CBT KirkLeeWashingtonThis removes Stockley's head, can play it through the middle and push the ball out wide, whip some low balls in for Washington and Lee to run onto. Sounds good in theory but then I'm just a random bloke on the internet and not a coach.
Whatever happens, 1-2 win2 -
To be fair "It’s the correct team sheet. That’s what will start tomorrow." is a little different from "I've heard the same from my plasterer" 🤣Croydon said:
You've done nothing wrong mate. No idea why it's got this reactionElliotCAFC said:
Mate, is everything okay? There’s really no need for animosity over such trivial things.Redrobo said:
So when you confirmed that was the team that would be playing, you were in fact totally clueless. I believe you.ElliotCAFC said:
Ha, traitors to the club! Behave yourself. Who are you, the Gestapo?jimmymelrose said:
Really?ElliotCAFC said:
It’s the correct team sheet. That’s what will start tomorrow.DOUCHER said:this ain't looking good VFRfor life - might be worth clarifying whether this is your guess or info you have received otherwise, whether u r right or wrong, u r not going to look good
You and @VFR4life could fairly be accused of being traitors to the club then, couldn't you?I confirmed I’d heard exactly the same thing about the team playing against Gillingham. It’s not from a secret inside source, I heard it from a plasterer! He certainly doesn’t have any inside info, for all I know he read it on here.It’s interesting to see the 180 flip regarding leaks. It was only a couple of weeks ago most were on their knees begging for transfer leaks from @VFR4life. I don’t recall any concern about it back then?If you encouraged transfer leaks but don’t want to hear about team sheets, it would unbecoming to take the moral high ground.Acting needlessly combative on the internet isn’t healthy for anyone.1 -
Any 4 attacking players is suicidal with our current midfield. As would go as far as saying we can probably only currently afford two.Southbank said:
Playing 2 wingers with our slow/ semi fit midfield would be suicidal.CL_Phantom said:Think Adkins has to decide between embracing a bit of Stockley ball like he did when he first came in last season.
A slight 442/ 433 with Washington playing closer to Stockley.
McGillivray
Matthews Lavelle Famewo SouareArter DobsonCBT
KirkWashington
Stockley
Not pretty but we need points.
Or, persist with what we guess is a technical, build up passing game and select the players that fit that - even if that means sacrificing a more solid midfield and playing unfancied players.
4231/442/433whateverelseitcanbeinandoutofpossession
McGillivrayMatthews Lavelle Famewo Souare
Morgan Arter
CBT KirkLeeWashingtonThis removes Stockley's head, can play it through the middle and push the ball out wide, whip some low balls in for Washington and Lee to run onto. Sounds good in theory but then I'm just a random bloke on the internet and not a coach.
Whatever happens, 1-2 win3 -
@th0rryy Great effort mate with your analysis from page 5 of this thread.
Always impressed when folk go to great trouble to explain what they like and don't like and what their preferred line up is or formation.
My pre season fear was the isolation of Stockley. Washington playing nearer but not static and given licence to go either side will help. Davison could be the wildcard that does well in certain games this season.
We need players to find some pride and form before we hit rock bottom.1 -
Southbank said:
Playing 2 wingers with our slow/ semi fit midfield would be suicidal.CL_Phantom said:Think Adkins has to decide between embracing a bit of Stockley ball like he did when he first came in last season.
A slight 442/ 433 with Washington playing closer to Stockley.
McGillivray
Matthews Lavelle Famewo SouareArter DobsonCBT
KirkWashington
Stockley
Not pretty but we need points.
Or, persist with what we guess is a technical, build up passing game and select the players that fit that - even if that means sacrificing a more solid midfield and playing unfancied players.
4231/442/433whateverelseitcanbeinandoutofpossession
McGillivrayMatthews Lavelle Famewo Souare
Morgan Arter
CBT KirkLeeWashingtonThis removes Stockley's head, can play it through the middle and push the ball out wide, whip some low balls in for Washington and Lee to run onto. Sounds good in theory but then I'm just a random bloke on the internet and not a coach.
Whatever happens, 1-2 win
Don't really have a great deal of choice given the midfield options!0 -
Please god not a draw, we need closure. Either we get pumped and he’s gone or we dish out an unexpected win and good performance and we finally begin our season, not in between please, too stressful.0
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My prediction: We'll play shite (I can't remember the last time we played well at Gillingham, or indeed the last time we played well, full-stop). CM will make a number of good saves and Gills will miss a couple of sitters. Eventually we'll concede a scruffy one, but will get a late, soft penalty to rescue a point. No one will be convinced but Adkins will live to fight another day.
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Scoham said:
Welcome to the wonderful world of supporting Charlton. When are you planning to watch your first game?Athletico Charlton said:Will be stunned if we don't easily win this. I would expect a 3 goal margin.
To be fair, in my experience of 30+ years of watching this shite, Charlton usually lose when you most expect them to win, and win when you've basically given up all hope of securing 3 points ever again. You'd be mad to predict a win tonight, but it would fit with a trend which stretches back decades.If there's one thing Charlton know how to do, it's prolong your agony.
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We battered em at their place 2019, when we had Cullen, Aribo, Bielik FFS now I’m annoyed.Exiled_Addick said:My prediction: We'll play shite (I can't remember the last time we played well at Gillingham, or indeed the last time we played well, full-stop). CM will make a number of good saves and Gills will miss a couple of sitters. Eventually we'll concede a scruffy one, but will get a late, soft penalty to rescue a point. No one will be convinced but Adkins will live to fight another day.0 -
3-2 charlton. Washington hatrick2
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Im going to leak some confidential information on tonights tactics, are you ready? Here we go!
At some point there will be sideways passing.
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I have food poisoning and feel like I've been dragged through a hedge backwards even before kickoff. Gonna have some wild Ben Watson fever dreams1
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Go for it Bob.AFKABartram said:On route. Feeling ominous, could be a pivotal evening
Win or lose, on the booze.
Come on you reds1 -
Any early teamsheet news?2
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I can't see it being anything but scrappy and won by the odd goal. The potential for referee shenanigans is off the scale, so easily a pen or a red card having a massive impact on either side.
Despite being turned over by MK at the weekend, they were 1-0 up until that pen and red card changed the game. Tactics need to be spot on and players need to be cohesive and brave - we've seen neither of those really this season, so it's a big ask. We must turn our periods of good play into chances.
I'm a sucker for pre-game optimism, but reality of this game will probably kick me in the proverbials. Likely a 1-1 at best, and it probably won't be pretty. A loss will be incredibly grim.0 -
I see we're still favourites to win with the bookies for some reason!0
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Following from the hammock. Hope there's a match thread
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Mate you’re either “en route” or “on your way there”, which is it, we need to know?AFKABartram said:On route. Feeling ominous, could be a pivotal evening
Win or lose, on the booze.
Come on you reds0
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