Give Jacko The Job (He got given it on page 31...)

Maccn05

I’ve I’ve heard the latter. I was told this was the case with Leko. Adkins didn’t want him and TS pushed it through 

Scoham

Maccn05 said:

I’ve I’ve heard the latter. I was told this was the case with Leko. Adkins didn’t want him and TS pushed it through 

And what about Bowyer?

Garrymanilow

Maccn05 said:

So JJ’s the bad guy if he talks about his contract but Sandgaard is ok to leak out intricate details of his staff’s contract of employment?

Seems like JJ is the third manager out of three that’s fallen out with Sandgaard. I wonder what’s the connection. 

Worse for me was the last line that Sandgaard has the final say on transfers because from I’ve been told… he’s not just signing the cheque.

I know you don't like Sandgaard but Christ this is a stretch. Jackson isn't the bad guy just for talking about his contract, people are raising their concerns that he seems to be complaining about a contract he signed in a way that's potentially destabilising for the team and frankly a little dishonest. Sandgaard isn't leaking anything here, he's explained how the manager's contract works. If we didn't know that information people would be very quick to complain about a lack of transparency wouldn't they?

RonnieMoore

Scoham said:

Maccn05 said:

So JJ’s the bad guy if he talks about his contract but Sandgaard is ok to leak out intricate details of his staff’s contract of employment?

Seems like JJ is the third manager out of three that’s fallen out with Sandgaard. I wonder what’s the connection. 

Worse for me was the last line that Sandgaard has the final say on transfers because from I’ve been told… he’s not just signing the cheque.

Have Bowyer, Adkins and Jackson all fallen out with Sandgaard?

What a load of old tosh …. All owners and chairman have the final say in transfers after all they have to sign them off …. if JJ had fallen out with TS or Adkins for that matter they would have been gone lot sooner in Adkins case then he was .. TS was very reluctant to sack him and in fact said he wanted Adkins to succeed ..

Cafc43v3r

Scoham said:

Maccn05 said:

I’ve I’ve heard the latter. I was told this was the case with Leko. Adkins didn’t want him and TS pushed it through 

And what about Bowyer?

Tbf there was an interview with TS, possibly around last January, where he said he did more than writing the cheques and had vetoed transfers for footballing reasons. 

I am sure that was when Bowyer was the manager.

I have no idea about Leko but I know for a fact that there was one player Adkins categorically did not want and was told he had to for "reasons". 

BR7_addick

Apologies if already mentioned but some good honest comments from KR on JJ in the SLP:

https://t.co/ln5qovn3fX

ricky_otto

mendonca said:

I feel a Grapevine post coming.

Hopefully he hold off posting until 3pm so I have something to read during the game. 

StrikerFirmani

Scoham said:

Maccn05 said:

I’ve I’ve heard the latter. I was told this was the case with Leko. Adkins didn’t want him and TS pushed it through 

And what about Bowyer?

I don't think Bowyer fell out with TS per se, however Bowyer had got used to having autonomy on recruitment albeit with Driesen in the background but I think he was made aware their would be a different structure to recruitment. If you include the introduction of Roddy and some reading between the lines of Bowyer comments, he wasn't happy about something, my bet it was how recruitment was going to be done in the future.  

Maccn05

Garrymanilow said:

Maccn05 said:

So JJ’s the bad guy if he talks about his contract but Sandgaard is ok to leak out intricate details of his staff’s contract of employment?

Seems like JJ is the third manager out of three that’s fallen out with Sandgaard. I wonder what’s the connection. 

Worse for me was the last line that Sandgaard has the final say on transfers because from I’ve been told… he’s not just signing the cheque.

I know you don't like Sandgaard but Christ this is a stretch. Jackson isn't the bad guy just for talking about his contract, people are raising their concerns that he seems to be complaining about a contract he signed in a way that's potentially destabilising for the team and frankly a little dishonest. Sandgaard isn't leaking anything here, he's explained how the manager's contract works. If we didn't know that information people would be very quick to complain about a lack of transparency wouldn't they?

I don’t think anyone’s contract of employment should be in the public domain and certainly not via a club written PR statement.

I’m not a fan of the Sandgaard personality but I judge his actions running the club with impartiality. If he does well I I’ll praise if he doesn’t I’ll criticise. Just happens that there’s more bad than good IMO

JJ’s done nothing that any other manager wouldn’t do every week with regards to budgets, strategy, signings and contracts… they are all at it,
so I don’t understand why people are calling him out especially when TS leases stuff to the press all the time.

Airman Brown

Garrymanilow said:

Maccn05 said:

So JJ’s the bad guy if he talks about his contract but Sandgaard is ok to leak out intricate details of his staff’s contract of employment?

Seems like JJ is the third manager out of three that’s fallen out with Sandgaard. I wonder what’s the connection. 

Worse for me was the last line that Sandgaard has the final say on transfers because from I’ve been told… he’s not just signing the cheque.

I know you don't like Sandgaard but Christ this is a stretch. Jackson isn't the bad guy just for talking about his contract, people are raising their concerns that he seems to be complaining about a contract he signed in a way that's potentially destabilising for the team and frankly a little dishonest. Sandgaard isn't leaking anything here, he's explained how the manager's contract works. If we didn't know that information people would be very quick to complain about a lack of transparency wouldn't they?

He’s not leaking but he is briefing and he’s contradicting himself. 

J BLOCK

Scoham said:

eaststandmike said:

I found these two lines more worrying:

"Sandgaard has the final call on recruitment but has input from Jackson and his son Martin Sandgaard, appointed director of analysis in December".

So JJ is discussing recruitment with 2 x people who know very little about English football who just happen to be father and son.

Depends how you read it doesn’t it?

Does final say mean signing off a transfer? As the owner he’s the one paying for it.

Or are TS and MS turning down signings and pushing for players they’ve identified?

The owner signing off on a transfer is totally normal.

Garrymanilow

Maccn05 said:

Garrymanilow said:

Maccn05 said:

So JJ’s the bad guy if he talks about his contract but Sandgaard is ok to leak out intricate details of his staff’s contract of employment?

Seems like JJ is the third manager out of three that’s fallen out with Sandgaard. I wonder what’s the connection. 

Worse for me was the last line that Sandgaard has the final say on transfers because from I’ve been told… he’s not just signing the cheque.

I know you don't like Sandgaard but Christ this is a stretch. Jackson isn't the bad guy just for talking about his contract, people are raising their concerns that he seems to be complaining about a contract he signed in a way that's potentially destabilising for the team and frankly a little dishonest. Sandgaard isn't leaking anything here, he's explained how the manager's contract works. If we didn't know that information people would be very quick to complain about a lack of transparency wouldn't they?

I don’t think anyone’s contract of employment should be in the public domain and certainly not via a club written PR statement.

I’m not a fan of the Sandgaard personality but I judge his actions running the club with impartiality. If he does well I I’ll praise if he doesn’t I’ll criticise. Just happens that there’s more bad than good IMO

JJ’s done nothing that any other manager wouldn’t do every week with regards to budgets, strategy, signings and contracts… they are all at it,
so I don’t understand why people are calling him out especially when TS leases stuff to the press all the time.

Come off it. It's hardly in the public domain any more than every other contract ever in the history of football. I don't think I've seen you complaining when we've announced the lengths of the contracts of the players we've signed or literally every other manager we've employed. Or have I missed a part of the statement that lists what Jackson's salary is?

I've seen your posts, you don't judge Sandgaard with any impartiality at all, as your original comment demonstrates. That's fine, no-one has to like him, but you may as well be honest with yourself. Again, people are calling Jackson out because he's moaning about a contract he signed , what, two months ago? I don't recall any of our permanent managers moaning about their contracts in that timeframe. Something seems of with Jackson at the moment, and him going to the press two months into a contract to complain about the contract, especially when the team isn't exactly looking any good at the moment, is odd and not hugely constructive.

nelsonsleftfoot

If Jackson is going to gamble his managerial career on Elliot Lee then he deserves everything that is coming his way.

SouthWest_Addicks

Not sure how you come back from that’s showing. Looked like someone who was on the way out.

usetobunkin

What qualifications has TS son got in regards to player recruitment. Because since I heard he was in charge of player recruitment it all seems to have turned to shit, or am I missing something?

Notts_Addick

usetobunkin said:

What qualifications has TS son got in regards to player recruitment. Because since I heard he was in charge of player recruitment it all seems to have turned to shit, or am I missing something?

I could be wrong but I don't think there was a single player on the pitch today who was brought in before his appointment, so not sure he can take any responsibility for what we are currently seeing.

I must admit I'm not a huge fan of the appointment purely based on the fact that I think the best people should be appointed to key positions, I have no idea of his qualifications but I suspect if his Dad wasn't the owner of the club he wouldn't have been in the running.

However to blame him from the current mess we are in is a bit wide of the mark I think. We shall have to see what busines looks like in the summer before being able to judge either way in my opinion.

Billericaydickie

When Lee Bowyer left last year I posted that Jackson was part of the problem. I also suggested that Adkins should be allowed to bring in his own no 2.

However Jackson was made no 2 to Adkins, and then given the managers job in his own right.

Jackson may well been a good player and a leader on the field. But as I said last year he is certainty not a good manager, or manager material.

Without a a doubt this is the worst football I have seen a Charlton team play in over 50 years. And it is getting worse.

The club needs a complete overhaul of both the management and also the playing staff.

Jackson looks totally out of his depth, and he should be shown the door ASAP.

SELR_addicks

I would forgive a few tactical mistakes if it looked like Jackson was trying something new and adventurous. 

It just looks like the same old rubbish. Other than a 3-5-2 does he actually have anything in his locker? 




Also - appointing the assistant after a terrible regime was always a recipe for disaster. If it happened at a different club I would say they've gone for the cheap option. 

ForeverAddickted

SELR_addicks said:

I would forgive a few tactical mistakes if it looked like Jackson was trying something new and adventurous. 

It just looks like the same old rubbish. Other than a 3-5-2 does he actually have anything in his locker? 




Also - appointing the assistant after a terrible regime was always a recipe for disaster. If it happened at a different club I would say they've gone for the cheap option. 

He used the diamond against Bolton

Maybe needs to try it again, even if he doesnt have Fraser - Washington - Aneke available at the moment.

Carl_bratton

Digging himself a grave with this formation and playing players out of position. Real worry those players don’t seem to be playing for him anymore 

ricky_otto

Skiverton has made a huge difference- all I’ve seen him doing is drink tea after half time. If he was proper Yeovil it would be cider. Send the c*** back. 

FishCostaFortune

I actually thought the beginning against Wigan, and again against Oxford was some of the better football we’ve played the last couple of seasons.

We managed to play some quick one touch football through the middle, and then have options with overlapping runners (though that made us very open on the turn over). No idea why we can’t keep that up. You saw Robinson have the whole team over for a chat to change something up, and then after that we were never really at the races.

Not sure why other teams seem to adapt to us, but we rarely seem to be able to adapt back. 

Huskaris

Jackson doing badly breaks my heart. Don't know what else to say really.

All I really can say is that (in my opinion) Adkins had a pretty decent pedigree as a manager and couldn't do it here. I love Jackson in the same way I love Powell, that person who you know loves the club and wants the best, so you know is always giving it everything.

I don't know what manager would turn this around. 

Dazzler21

Whilst I don't think Jackson is the problem, I don't think he's going to be the answer either.

Scoham

Our problems won't be solved by a good managerial appointment alone.

Cafc43v3r

Scoham said:

Our problems won't be solved by a good managerial appointment alone.

Nope sacking Jackson, like sacking Adkins, won't in the medium term solve anything. 

aliwibble

Huskaris said:

Jackson doing badly breaks my heart. Don't know what else to say really.

All I really can say is that (in my opinion) Adkins had a pretty decent pedigree as a manager and couldn't do it here. I love Jackson in the same way I love Powell, that person who you know loves the club and wants the best, so you know is always giving it everything.

I don't know what manager would turn this around. 

Yep. I was ambivalent when Powell took over as manager, as I was concerned that if it all went pear-shaped it'd ruin our relationship with a club legend. The end of that first half-season looked a bit sticky as we went on a fairly dreadful run towards the end, and if I remember rightly a few fans were questioning his appointment. But then he got backed to rebuild the squad early on in the summer, and we went on to get promoted convincingly.

I have no idea whether Jacko would be able to pull off the same trick, but I do wonder whether we're being very short-termist in our reactions here.

Simonsen

Forget club legend cobblers. Just let him do the job through the summer and next season. He's new to management but thrashings like today are part of learning. He got done by a more experienced and better manager...it happens. Let's see if he can get his own players and put out a good team.

But if its still shit at the end of next season then maybe...

ShootersHillGuru

Simonsen said:

Forget club legend cobblers. Just let him do the job through the summer and next season. He's new to management but thrashings like today are part of learning. He got done by a more experienced and better manager...it happens. Let's see if he can get his own players and put out a good team.

But if its still shit at the end of next season then maybe...

Agree but if we’re not top six at Christmas next season he’ll be gone. Work to be done.

ricky_otto

Dazzler21 said:

Whilst I don't think Jackson is the problem, I don't think he's going to be the answer either.

That’s kind of where I sit. This job isn’t for Jackson.  We need a clean slate. It might just be me, but I hate the players calling him Jacko. He isn’t their mate any more. Can you imagine a man united player calling their manager Fergie? Or Liverpool saying Kloppy? We need somebody to go in there and kick some arse. Seems like an easy wage being a Charlton player. 

Another thing - Sangaard - all this bollocks when we sign a player “we’ve been watching him for months, he can do this, that and the other” you know nothing about him - just keep quiet.