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Charlton Women to rebrand as "Charlton Ladies" - turned down by FA (p28)

DDOUBLEE
DDOUBLEE Posts: 1,472
edited June 2022 in General Charlton
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2021/12/08/charlton-women-rebrand-charlton-ladies-shock-move-labelled-insulting/?utm_content=women sport&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1638992707-2

Hasn't gone down well in the Charlton camp.
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  • iainment
    iainment Posts: 8,033
    What year is this?
  • Dazzler21
    Dazzler21 Posts: 51,343
    DDOUBLEE said:
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2021/12/08/charlton-women-rebrand-charlton-ladies-shock-move-labelled-insulting/?utm_content=women sport&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1638992707-2

    Hasn't gone down well in the Charlton camp.
    Senior source wants shooting. 
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,748
    Can't read the article behind a paywall but the headline is not at all promising.
  • Leeds_Addick
    Leeds_Addick Posts: 4,698
    Very disappointed and completely baffled by this

    Maybe Charlton Women would’ve been better off without his involvement
  • Rothko
    Rothko Posts: 18,796
    Bad bad bad 
  • ValleyGary
    ValleyGary Posts: 37,970
    All a bit weird. Just, why?

    Surely you’d gauge their opinion if it’s even necessary. 
  • Rothko
    Rothko Posts: 18,796
    Can this be raised at the Fans Forum this week? As a really really bad idea
  • Dazzler21
    Dazzler21 Posts: 51,343
    Other than people telling you it's bad, why is the term "ladies" now seen as bad?

    I've always been confused about this and no one has ever given a clear answer, Google included.
  • RodneyCharltonTrotta
    RodneyCharltonTrotta Posts: 14,827
    Ladies scans better than women for the next song lolz
  • cafcfan
    cafcfan Posts: 11,198
    Good grief. Just as well he won't be up to speed on ancient English slang. He'd probably have opted for Charlton Sorts.
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  • MikeBaileysFanClub
    MikeBaileysFanClub Posts: 309
    Hopefully TS will listen. Who advised him on this ?
  • JaShea99
    JaShea99 Posts: 5,455
    Didn’t they used to be called Charlton Ladies years ago?
  • Dazzler21
    Dazzler21 Posts: 51,343
    edited December 2021
    Leeds_Addick said:
    Very disappointed and completely baffled by this

    Maybe Charlton Women would’ve been better off without his involvement
    Why would you think that?
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,288
    edited December 2021
    Dazzler21 said:
    Other than people telling you it's bad, why is the term "ladies" now seen as bad?

    I've always been confused about this and no one has ever given a clear answer, Google included.
    Likewise, I've always compared the term "Ladies" with "Gentlemen"

    Have always thought "woman" sounded worse
  • N01R4M
    N01R4M Posts: 2,577
    For my part, I'm not bothered whether a sports team styles itself ladies or women.  There are more important battles.

    What does exercise me is that any man - even the owner - feels he has the right to change the name against the clearly expressed view of the women players in the team.

    If this report is accurate, it's time to wind your neck in, Thomas, and get that ego of yours under control!
  • Notts_Addick
    Notts_Addick Posts: 376
    Massive fan of Sandgaard and everything be has done but think he is shooting himself in the foot with this.

    It is clear from that report that there is staunch opposition for it internally which means surely you would just quietly drop it before letting it get to the point that it's getting leaked to the national media. The club feels in a positive place at the moment in terms of the great work JJ has been doing and the recent stadium initiatives (An idea Sandgaard deserves huge credit for) so why risk that all for the sake of a name change that doesn't appear to be pleasing anyone?

    Players don't appear to like it and you can bet that sponsors will be pulling away if they get even the faintest hint that there may be controversy attached to this name change.

    I'm not saying it is anywhere near the same situation but I lived near Hull at the time their owner proposed changing their name to Tigers and his absolute insistence on following that through until he was formally stopped by the FA ruined his relationship with fans and that relationship is still broken to this day.

    Really hope this is quickly reversed.
  • ISawLeaburnScore
    ISawLeaburnScore Posts: 9,779
    Leaving aside the debate about whether it's right or wrong from a terminology and diversity perspective, I just can't work out why a guy seeking to be popular and successful wants to make a decision to change something with universal opposition. It feels like a totally needless conflict and a distraction from the real challenges.
  • SELR_addicks
    SELR_addicks Posts: 15,442
    Someone in that board room needs to be able to stand up in the meeting and just say no. 
  • The Red Robin
    The Red Robin Posts: 26,126
    ValleyGary said:
    I mean, is it that hard to ask what they want?
    He doesn’t care clearly. Does what he wants. 
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  • shirty5
    shirty5 Posts: 19,212
    Callumcafc said:
    Can't read the article behind a paywall but the headline is not at all promising.

    Charlton Women are set to rebrand as ‘Charlton Ladies’ in a shock decision that its players have labelled “insulting.”

    The move to drop the moniker ‘women’ in favour of ‘ladies’ is understood to have been driven by Charlton’s owner, Thomas Sandgaard, the Danish-American businessman who agreed to a historic takeover of the women’s side in February this year.

    A senior source at the club said the decision has sparked outrage among players, who branded the move “insulting” and “derogatory” in a club meeting with Sandgaard last Friday.

    Karen Hills, who took over the championship side earlier this year and enjoyed a successful playing career with the Addicks between 2001 and 2007, is also said to be staunchly opposed to the idea.

    Such are the players’ frustrations that they have reportedly drafted a letter to the Professional Footballers’ Association in a last-ditch attempt to block the name change, although Charlton have already listed the women’s team as the ‘Ladies’ Team’ on its official club website

  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,288
    Only thing I can think of is the fact that Sandgaard has tweeted a few times saying: "Congratulations Ladies" when they've won - Does he find the terminology of the word "women" wrong? - Would hope Doctor Raelynn Maloney would have been able to advise.

    Just hope that the internal meeting went well enough on Friday to calm everyone down, and that this article isn't a stronger push from whoever felt that they werent listened to during that meeting so feel further pushback is required.
  • SELR_addicks
    SELR_addicks Posts: 15,442
    Dazzler21 said:
    Other than people telling you it's bad, why is the term "ladies" now seen as bad?

    I've always been confused about this and no one has ever given a clear answer, Google included.
    Is there a mens team called the guys or blokes team? 

    Men's teams and Women's teams helps the argument of equality. 
  • RodneyCharltonTrotta
    RodneyCharltonTrotta Posts: 14,827
    edited December 2021
    .edit wrong thread 
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,288
    Callumcafc said:
    ForeverAddickted said:
    Dazzler21 said:
    Other than people telling you it's bad, why is the term "ladies" now seen as bad?

    I've always been confused about this and no one has ever given a clear answer, Google included.
    Likewise, I've always compared the term "Ladies" with "Gentlemen"

    Have always thought "woman" sounded worse
    I believe it's the implication of the word that evokes an image of well-mannered, do as your told, demur 'ladies' of decades gone by. We are not in that time anymore and the women should be able to decide for themselves what their team is called, rather than having "ladies" forced onto them by a middle aged man.
    Thanks Callum - I did wonder if that was the case.
  • ValleyGary
    ValleyGary Posts: 37,970
    edited December 2021
    So are all the top sides called ‘ladies’

    Im struggling to get my head wrapped around even the consideration to do this.

    Wouldnt it be nice to just go a month without something fucking weird happening at this football club.
  • bobmunro
    bobmunro Posts: 20,840
    ForeverAddickted said:
    Dazzler21 said:
    Other than people telling you it's bad, why is the term "ladies" now seen as bad?

    I've always been confused about this and no one has ever given a clear answer, Google included.
    Likewise, I've always compared the term "Ladies" with "Gentlemen"

    Have always thought "woman" sounded worse

    But it's men's football not gentlemen's football.
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,748
    edited December 2021
    ValleyGary said:
    So are all the top sides called ‘ladies’

    Im struggling to get my head wrapped around even the consideration to do this.
    All 12 teams in the Women's Super League use "women".
  • Rothko
    Rothko Posts: 18,796
    ValleyGary said:
    So are all the top sides called ‘ladies’

    Im struggling to get my head wrapped around even the consideration to do this.
    Can’t think of anyone in WSL or Championship that still uses Ladies 

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