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  • MrOneLung
    MrOneLung Posts: 26,941
    Give it Stokes/Broad 
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,907
    edited March 2022
    MrOneLung said:
    Give it Stokes/Broad 
    I would be tempted to ask Broad to fill the role for the next two to three years. If he can’t play every Test, he should be travelling and play captain/coach from the pavilion.

    Pick someone to be his vice who will fill in when he can’t play and eventually take the role full time in a couple of years.


    Might be unconventional but I don’t trust them throwing it immediately to a Stokes or Bairstow. Could Foakes be future captain material from behind the stumps?
  • Manic_mania
    Manic_mania Posts: 2,268
    edited March 2022
    Addick Addict said:
    Mike said:
    Root has lost the plot reading his words on BBC. Keeps referring to how well we have played throughout the series. Even after that shambles. Bizarre. 
    He can't really say anything else. He wants the players to be with him and not against him so will try to see some positives. The public aren't that stupid though.
    I don't follow cricket in any much the same way I do football, so forgive me for my ignorance, but to me the way we played yesterday it felt like Root had "lost" the dressing room - not sure of the captains role in comparison to say a football manager and if those terms can relate in the same way? Surely looking at the pattern of play in the previous two innings, the message would have been to keep it tight and defensive early on until the new ball was soft and then perhaps take more chances to move the scoring along. 


  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,405
    Callumcafc said:
    MrOneLung said:
    Give it Stokes/Broad 
    I would be tempted to ask Broad to fill the role for the next two to three years. If he can’t play every Test, he should be travelling and play captain/coach from the pavilion.

    Pick someone to be his vice who will fill in when he can’t play and eventually take the role full time in a couple of years.


    Might be unconventional but I don’t trust them throwing it immediately to a Stokes or Bairstow. Could Foakes be future captain material from behind the stumps?
    Foakes has just had a disaster of a series, lol

    Is there no good county captain who could step up? I've seen Abell being mentioned
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 39,957
    MrOneLung said:
    Give it Stokes/Broad 

    Stokes is the only viable option in my opinion. Cummins is an exception to be bowler and captain and he is because he is certain of his place. Broad isn't and has only played 10 games of cricket in the last 11 months, partly through non selection and partly because his body won't be able to commit to the rigours of playing a four or five match series. To a degree that is true of Stokes albeit that he is good enough to be selected as a batsman only.

    I do think, though, that we will just be re-arranging the deckchairs. When your top 7 can only muster 127 in a Test match, no captain is going to change their ability to score runs under pressure. The issues go far deeper than that.
  • Gravesend_Addick
    Gravesend_Addick Posts: 7,317
    edited March 2022
    Leuth said:
    Callumcafc said:
    MrOneLung said:
    Give it Stokes/Broad 
    I would be tempted to ask Broad to fill the role for the next two to three years. If he can’t play every Test, he should be travelling and play captain/coach from the pavilion.

    Pick someone to be his vice who will fill in when he can’t play and eventually take the role full time in a couple of years.


    Might be unconventional but I don’t trust them throwing it immediately to a Stokes or Bairstow. Could Foakes be future captain material from behind the stumps?
    Foakes has just had a disaster of a series, lol

    Is there no good county captain who could step up? I've seen Abell being mentioned
    I'll get shot down for this, but.......Morgan??

    He's the best captain in world cricket.  Admittedly he's not a test player & would purely be selected for his captaincy, but could do the job for a year or so until we can blood somebody else
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 39,957
    Manic_mania said:
    Addick Addict said:
    Mike said:
    Root has lost the plot reading his words on BBC. Keeps referring to how well we have played throughout the series. Even after that shambles. Bizarre. 
    He can't really say anything else. He wants the players to be with him and not against him so will try to see some positives. The public aren't that stupid though.
    I don't follow cricket in any much the same way I do football, so forgive me for my ignorance, but to me the way we played yesterday it felt like Root had "lost" the dressing room - not sure of the captains role in comparison to say a football manager and if those terms can relate in the same way? Surely looking at the pattern of play in the previous two innings, the message would have been to keep it tight and defensive early on until the new ball was soft and then perhaps take more chances to move the scoring along. 


    That is absolutely correct. That should have happened. But these players have such ingrained deficiencies to the extent that the likes of Crawley, Stokes and Bairstow will default to white ball mode at any given time and the rest, apart from Root, have severe technical issues.

  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 39,957
    Callumcafc said:
    MrOneLung said:
    Give it Stokes/Broad 
    I would be tempted to ask Broad to fill the role for the next two to three years. If he can’t play every Test, he should be travelling and play captain/coach from the pavilion.

    Pick someone to be his vice who will fill in when he can’t play and eventually take the role full time in a couple of years.


    Might be unconventional but I don’t trust them throwing it immediately to a Stokes or Bairstow. Could Foakes be future captain material from behind the stumps?

    I've been disappointed with Foakes in this series with bat and ball. He deserves a run but if he doesn't improve in both disciplines then he will be under pressure. The other aspect is that it is incredibly hard to keep and captain in Test cricket. You are, potentially, having to concentrate for 500 balls plus and six hours in a day and gee up your team that there us little enough respite let alone make vital decisions that influence the game. The biggest example of that is Tim Paine ridiculously wasting a review that cost them the Ashes.
  • wmcf123
    wmcf123 Posts: 5,838
    Addick Addict said:
    Callumcafc said:
    MrOneLung said:
    Give it Stokes/Broad 
    I would be tempted to ask Broad to fill the role for the next two to three years. If he can’t play every Test, he should be travelling and play captain/coach from the pavilion.

    Pick someone to be his vice who will fill in when he can’t play and eventually take the role full time in a couple of years.


    Might be unconventional but I don’t trust them throwing it immediately to a Stokes or Bairstow. Could Foakes be future captain material from behind the stumps?

    I've been disappointed with Foakes in this series with bat and ball. He deserves a run but if he doesn't improve in both disciplines then he will be under pressure. The other aspect is that it is incredibly hard to keep and captain in Test cricket. You are, potentially, having to concentrate for 500 balls plus and six hours in a day and gee up your team that there us little enough respite let alone make vital decisions that influence the game. The biggest example of that is Tim Paine ridiculously wasting a review that cost them the Ashes.
    Billings should be in ahead of Foakes 
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 39,957
    wmcf123 said:
    Addick Addict said:
    Callumcafc said:
    MrOneLung said:
    Give it Stokes/Broad 
    I would be tempted to ask Broad to fill the role for the next two to three years. If he can’t play every Test, he should be travelling and play captain/coach from the pavilion.

    Pick someone to be his vice who will fill in when he can’t play and eventually take the role full time in a couple of years.


    Might be unconventional but I don’t trust them throwing it immediately to a Stokes or Bairstow. Could Foakes be future captain material from behind the stumps?

    I've been disappointed with Foakes in this series with bat and ball. He deserves a run but if he doesn't improve in both disciplines then he will be under pressure. The other aspect is that it is incredibly hard to keep and captain in Test cricket. You are, potentially, having to concentrate for 500 balls plus and six hours in a day and gee up your team that there us little enough respite let alone make vital decisions that influence the game. The biggest example of that is Tim Paine ridiculously wasting a review that cost them the Ashes.
    Billings should be in ahead of Foakes 
    Very difficult to pick him when he is so committed to the IPL, Big Bash, The Hundred and other T20 franchises. He may not be back from the IPL 'til almost June. The irony is that I can see Billings keep and captain England but not doing both. But he won't be doing that unless he commits to red ball and puts together a string of scores in the CC that justifies his selection.

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  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 70,083
    Addick Addict said:
    wmcf123 said:
    Addick Addict said:
    Callumcafc said:
    MrOneLung said:
    Give it Stokes/Broad 
    I would be tempted to ask Broad to fill the role for the next two to three years. If he can’t play every Test, he should be travelling and play captain/coach from the pavilion.

    Pick someone to be his vice who will fill in when he can’t play and eventually take the role full time in a couple of years.


    Might be unconventional but I don’t trust them throwing it immediately to a Stokes or Bairstow. Could Foakes be future captain material from behind the stumps?

    I've been disappointed with Foakes in this series with bat and ball. He deserves a run but if he doesn't improve in both disciplines then he will be under pressure. The other aspect is that it is incredibly hard to keep and captain in Test cricket. You are, potentially, having to concentrate for 500 balls plus and six hours in a day and gee up your team that there us little enough respite let alone make vital decisions that influence the game. The biggest example of that is Tim Paine ridiculously wasting a review that cost them the Ashes.
    Billings should be in ahead of Foakes 
    Very difficult to pick him when he is so committed to the IPL, Big Bash, The Hundred and other T20 franchises. He may not be back from the IPL 'til almost June. The irony is that I can see Billings keep and captain England but not doing both. But he won't be doing that unless he commits to red ball and puts together a string of scores in the CC that justifies his selection.
    Two current county captains played for England in the Ashes, in Billings and Burns, while former Test players Vince, Stoneman and Westley all captained in 2021

    In recent England teams, with international players  so rarely appearing for their counties, many England captains have little experience of captaining a county side
  • SoundAsa£
    SoundAsa£ Posts: 22,521
    Callumcafc said:
    MrOneLung said:
    Give it Stokes/Broad 
    I would be tempted to ask Broad to fill the role for the next two to three years. If he can’t play every Test, he should be travelling and play captain/coach from the pavilion.

    Pick someone to be his vice who will fill in when he can’t play and eventually take the role full time in a couple of years.


    Might be unconventional but I don’t trust them throwing it immediately to a Stokes or Bairstow. Could Foakes be future captain material from behind the stumps?
    I can understand quite a few people calling for Stokes to get the captaincy because of his achievements but I just don’t think he’s Captain material…..rather like Beefy wasn’t.
    Takes a very different type of character to be the captain of any team sport……and it’s not necessarily the best player.
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 70,083
    SoundAsa£ said:
    Callumcafc said:
    MrOneLung said:
    Give it Stokes/Broad 
    I would be tempted to ask Broad to fill the role for the next two to three years. If he can’t play every Test, he should be travelling and play captain/coach from the pavilion.

    Pick someone to be his vice who will fill in when he can’t play and eventually take the role full time in a couple of years.


    Might be unconventional but I don’t trust them throwing it immediately to a Stokes or Bairstow. Could Foakes be future captain material from behind the stumps?
    I can understand quite a few people calling for Stokes to get the captaincy because of his achievements but I just don’t think he’s Captain material…..rather like Beefy wasn’t.
    Takes a very different type of character to be the captain of any team sport……and it’s not necessarily the best player.
    It worries me that both Beefy and Freddie failed as captains. If nothing else the workload would be massive, though Jason Holder did a very good job as Windies captain.
  • Andyessgee90
    Andyessgee90 Posts: 848
    Gravesend_Addick said:
    Leuth said:
    Callumcafc said:
    MrOneLung said:
    Give it Stokes/Broad 
    I would be tempted to ask Broad to fill the role for the next two to three years. If he can’t play every Test, he should be travelling and play captain/coach from the pavilion.

    Pick someone to be his vice who will fill in when he can’t play and eventually take the role full time in a couple of years.


    Might be unconventional but I don’t trust them throwing it immediately to a Stokes or Bairstow. Could Foakes be future captain material from behind the stumps?
    Foakes has just had a disaster of a series, lol

    Is there no good county captain who could step up? I've seen Abell being mentioned
    I'll get shot down for this, but.......Morgan??

    He's the best captain in world cricket.  Admittedly he's not a test player & would purely be selected for his captaincy, but could do the job for a year or so until we can blood somebody else
    Seeing his name crop up quite a bit. I think it’s actually the best option but I doubt Morgan would take it. If he can give other batsmen the confidence I’d ignore what his own batting average is.
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 70,083
    Morgan is a white ball specialist, and aged 35 on his way out anyway. A great white ball captain, but with no real red ball captaincy experience, and not worth his place in the side as a batsman...
  • oohaahmortimer
    oohaahmortimer Posts: 34,259
    edited March 2022
    Morgan a white ball specialist , hasn’t he  been pony in recent times as a white ball batsmen 
  • Chizz
    Chizz Posts: 28,385
    killerandflash said:
    Morgan is a white ball specialist, and aged 35 on his way out anyway. A great white ball captain, but with no real red ball captaincy experience, and not worth his place in the side as a batsman...
    He'd fit in perfectly then. 
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,907
    edited March 2022
    killerandflash said:
    SoundAsa£ said:
    Callumcafc said:
    MrOneLung said:
    Give it Stokes/Broad 
    I would be tempted to ask Broad to fill the role for the next two to three years. If he can’t play every Test, he should be travelling and play captain/coach from the pavilion.

    Pick someone to be his vice who will fill in when he can’t play and eventually take the role full time in a couple of years.


    Might be unconventional but I don’t trust them throwing it immediately to a Stokes or Bairstow. Could Foakes be future captain material from behind the stumps?
    I can understand quite a few people calling for Stokes to get the captaincy because of his achievements but I just don’t think he’s Captain material…..rather like Beefy wasn’t.
    Takes a very different type of character to be the captain of any team sport……and it’s not necessarily the best player.
    It worries me that both Beefy and Freddie failed as captains. If nothing else the workload would be massive, though Jason Holder did a very good job as Windies captain.
    Stokes recently came back on the scene after some time away to focus on his mental health. 

    Giving him the captaincy is additional stress that he really doesn’t need as he gets back into the groove with his bowling and eventually his batting.

    If he thinks he’s ready to take it on, he’s an obvious candidate. But I do worry that he might be the man for 12-18 months, get overwhelmed by it all and then disappear from international cricket in its entirety.
  • wmcf123
    wmcf123 Posts: 5,838
    Callumcafc said:
    killerandflash said:
    SoundAsa£ said:
    Callumcafc said:
    MrOneLung said:
    Give it Stokes/Broad 
    I would be tempted to ask Broad to fill the role for the next two to three years. If he can’t play every Test, he should be travelling and play captain/coach from the pavilion.

    Pick someone to be his vice who will fill in when he can’t play and eventually take the role full time in a couple of years.


    Might be unconventional but I don’t trust them throwing it immediately to a Stokes or Bairstow. Could Foakes be future captain material from behind the stumps?
    I can understand quite a few people calling for Stokes to get the captaincy because of his achievements but I just don’t think he’s Captain material…..rather like Beefy wasn’t.
    Takes a very different type of character to be the captain of any team sport……and it’s not necessarily the best player.
    It worries me that both Beefy and Freddie failed as captains. If nothing else the workload would be massive, though Jason Holder did a very good job as Windies captain.
    Stokes recently came back on the scene after some time away to focus on his mental health. 

    Giving him the captaincy is additional stress that he really doesn’t need as he gets back into the groove with his bowling and eventually his batting.

    If he thinks he’s ready to take it on, he’s an obvious candidate. But I do worry that he might be the man for 12-18 months, get overwhelmed by it all and then disappear from international cricket in its entirety.
    Agreed .  He’d have to stop bowling, which would distort the balance of the side .  The best captaincy candidate is Buttler but he’s not worth his place in the side .
  • Gravesend_Addick
    Gravesend_Addick Posts: 7,317
    edited March 2022
    I've given it some thought & I just can't see who else there is to take over, so I think Root will stay on as captain.  The only other person who is guaranteed his place in the team is Stokes & given he's only recently returned from a break due to his mental health, I can't see him taking on the captaincy.

    The big call is the new coach.  We need an ambitious, forward thinking coach who can give Root the guidance he needs to make the correct on field decisions.

    Gillespie or Langer for me.

    After this, we need a complete review & overhaul of the county system.  

    A long road ahead

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  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 70,083
    Chizz said:
    killerandflash said:
    Morgan is a white ball specialist, and aged 35 on his way out anyway. A great white ball captain, but with no real red ball captaincy experience, and not worth his place in the side as a batsman...
    He'd fit in perfectly then. 
    What's Mike Brearley doing these days?
  • Bromley Graham
    Bromley Graham Posts: 405
    killerandflash said:
    Chizz said:
    killerandflash said:
    Morgan is a white ball specialist, and aged 35 on his way out anyway. A great white ball captain, but with no real red ball captaincy experience, and not worth his place in the side as a batsman...
    He'd fit in perfectly then. 
    What's Mike Brearley doing these days?
    An average batsman but chosen for his skill as a team Captain..
     
  • LenGlover
    LenGlover Posts: 31,688
    killerandflash said:
    Chizz said:
    killerandflash said:
    Morgan is a white ball specialist, and aged 35 on his way out anyway. A great white ball captain, but with no real red ball captaincy experience, and not worth his place in the side as a batsman...
    He'd fit in perfectly then. 
    What's Mike Brearley doing these days?
    He'll be 80 next month! Not sure, at that age he'd want the job.
  • MrOneLung
    MrOneLung Posts: 26,941
    LenGlover said:
    killerandflash said:
    Chizz said:
    killerandflash said:
    Morgan is a white ball specialist, and aged 35 on his way out anyway. A great white ball captain, but with no real red ball captaincy experience, and not worth his place in the side as a batsman...
    He'd fit in perfectly then. 
    What's Mike Brearley doing these days?
    He'll be 80 next month! Not sure, at that age he'd want the job.
    Although he did recently beat Robinson in the bleep test 
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,405
    edited March 2022
    Root to cling on and ultimately be replaced when the right South African qualifies. If Ricardo Vasconcelos has a good season leading Northants in Div 1 this season then he jumps the queue (I personally rate him very highly as a player) 
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 39,957
    Nasser has gone for Key as DOC, Ponting as Coach and Stokes as Captain
  • Pelling1993
    Pelling1993 Posts: 6,785
    Beddingham is the one i'm desperate for to qualify. Bloke is absolutely quality 
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 39,957
    edited March 2022
    Buttler out for a duck in his first IPL game of the season. And has to be recalled due to Bunheshwar Kumar's delivery is a front foot no ball. Some bowlers never learn. He's then dropped at slip - off another no ball. Buttler is then caught off the free hit of a 4th no ball - bowled by a spinner! Williamson must be tearing his hair out. 
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 70,083
    Pelling1993 said:
    Beddingham is the one i'm desperate for to qualify. Bloke is absolutely quality 
    Currently it seems he won't qualify until the end of 2024, so a long way off
  • Pelling1993
    Pelling1993 Posts: 6,785
    Addick Addict said:
    Buttler out for a duck in his first IPL game of the season. And has to be recalled due to Bunheshwar Kumar's delivery is a front foot no ball. Some bowlers never learn. He's then dropped at slip - off another no ball. Buttler is then caught off the free hit of a 4th no ball - bowled by a spinner! Williamson must be tearing his hair out. 
    Couple of nice shots but he looked incredibly rusty 

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