To anyone reading who may feel offended by those nasty woke people…
We aren’t cancelling you, we are challenging you. Meanwhile religious zealots here in the States are having books banned from children’s school libraries that focus on topics that they don’t agree with.
There’s one article above but do look it up, it’s actually happening. And it won’t take long for sections of the British public to follow suit. Meanwhile, I’ll give you three attempts at trying to name a right wing mouthpiece that has actually been ‘cancelSELR_addicks said:
"I'm definitely not controlling and sexist but I would force women to stay in the kitchen and rear children for their entire lives".
When one cannot find a single quote to attack someone they ... Invent their own quote and idiotically attribute it to that person. Best leave you in fantasy land.
What role in society do you think that women should play a part in?
Are they allowed to interact with men in the workplace? Maybe perhaps even hold a similar role to a man in the same working environment?
SELR: I have mother, aunts, sisters, spouse, daughters, female colleagues and ... believe-it-or-not ... women I count as good friends. As unlikely as it may seem, they rather like my honest - hide nothing - approach. They know I am not 'performing to the gallery' and trying to virtue-signal my way through this short life we have. My terminology may appear (on a thread discussion among the rather woke-minded) to belong in the mid 19th Century but most people I know know the INTENT behind what I am saying. That is to say - they know I am not saying something either for effect or to hurt others. It might come across as clumsy or lacking the 'finesse' of a Guardian article (and thank God for that!) but there is no intended malice. To return to the original thread about a female referee. I applauded that this particular person has attained a high level of competence in her chosen field - refereeing. The umbrage that some have taken stems from where that refereeing should take place. Men's football or women's football. It's hardly Enoch Powell's 'rivers of blood' speech. And yet to the very distorted among us that is EXACTLY what my comment seems to represent. How utterly ridiculous.
The aforesaid women in my life all seem to play a variety of roles in society, yes. Motherhood being by far and away the most rewarding of these roles (they say). But as educated women they have professional lives also. They interact with men in the workplace. Of course.
I suspect there are many on these pages who think a family functions best when mum and dad are both out at work all day (presumably esp with the woman doing a quintessential male job of course!) and their children are left unparented, neglected and zombied out on computer games until those exhausted parents get home each evening. I don't. And I know a good number of men and women that do not subscribe to this particular configuration of family life.
It never fails to baffle me how the perceived 'victims' of all these woke discussions are always the least problematic persons to actually personally encounter in real life. Whether it be ethnic minorities, women, the same sex attracted, the disabled etc. The real problems are the (mostly) white, middle-class liberal/leftists that think they speak for the whole world when in fact they only speak for JUST other white, middle-class liberal/leftists.
And absolutely no one else.
I wish this woman referee - every happiness and success. And, if she has a husband and children - them too.
You quite clearly do not live in the real world.
I'm sure there are both men and women who would love to spend all day looking after their children, but the reality is that for most people, both parents need to work to earn enough money to bring up their children. Others choose to work as they enjoy it and lead more fulfilled lives by working. Everyone should do what is right for them and the view that the woman's place is in the home is outdated and abhorrent.
Your views on the role of women are archaic and have no place in the 21st century.
Yes, I would tend to agree with you ME14 - both parents DO '... need to work to earn enough money to bring up their children'. The point is, I believe that that NEED to be wrong. Wrong for those parents. Definitely wrong for their children and wrong for society.
I believe as a society we should not be making this sort of demand on parents. If you can point out how children, arguably with MORE complex needs than ever before, have less and less parent time, somehow helps society and builds up this nation to be stronger and makes families stay together and by extension - the community and the nation - I'd be really interested to hear about this. I see the polar opposite taking place. Everywhere.
Simply do not think that the family is should be at the centre of everything. Children need to go to school and be looked after in groups together while their parents are sometimes absent doing other things..
The traditional family unit as we know it is an artificial invention of the industrial age enabling efficiency in factories.
I couldn't differ more. I wonder how many, say, Indian heritage families you know, resident in UK? They seem to "get" family values and traditional families very well. What is completely artificial is the current configuration of the family as progressives see it. It doesn't work.
Well all the Asian women I know, seem to excel in medicine, law and accountancy. So not sure what your point is
And nearly every one, to a man, seems to have a faith. And strong family values.
You really do have a problem with women don't you.
No. Not at all BB. I DO have a problem with leftist blokes who think they speak for women though!
But sexist pig dinosaurs speaking for them is fine and dandy though eh?
And by the way I’m KBSLITTLESIS. My brother is KB and I’m his little sister. That’s why I’m calling you out again and again. Because I’m a woman and you DO NOT speak for me.
Apologies for the misunderstanding KB's little sis. I hadn't worked out what the name actually said.
VOT, whenever you post on this thread could you include the following image after the text please? Just to make it more official kinda thing yeah. cheers.
I was told it was part of the leftist playbook to further the Islamification of this country at every possible turn, no? Why on earth therefore would a leftist think such an Islamic image (that s/he promotes) would apply to my comments..surely that would mean you wish to promote my postings too..Now THATS bizarre!
You think the country is being Islamified?
Perhaps you would prefer the Taliban in charge, their and your views on women are very much aligned.
VOT, whenever you post on this thread could you include the following image after the text please? Just to make it more official kinda thing yeah. cheers.
I was told it was part of the leftist playbook to further the Islamification of this country at every possible turn, no? Why on earth therefore would a leftist think such an Islamic image (that s/he promotes) would apply to my comments..surely that would mean you wish to promote my postings too..Now THATS bizarre!
You think the country is being Islamified?
Perhaps you would prefer the Taliban in charge, their and your views on women are very much aligned.
Thread drift of an already very drifted original thread!
Just as a gentle observation ~ and I'm sure you are joshing but if you REALLY DO equate a personal view about women refereeing men's football with ... a State that cuts off right hands every day of the week and publically executes its citizens, and makes their women slaves (Well done Biden ~ your senility, corruption and cowardice all contributed to enabling this to return). Then you really have lost it.
If, as some commentators have suggested in the past, Sharia law (which in various places and to varying degrees, is implemented in this country already) becomes officially recognised as Law, I can assure you, uppermost in your mind will not be VoT's erstwhile "evil" and "sexist" "terrible" comments on who's refereeing the footie on Saturday!
You will yearn for such "civilised" halcyon days. And weep. Good luck whining to these tyrants then. Where words like "evil" sexist" and "terrible" are adjectives that don't go far enough in describing what these reprehensible people call "acceptable". I suspect you won't even have access to the internet TO whine when that day arrives. And arrive it will.
I do love the commitment VOT is showing. As if the 50th reply is the one that's definitely going to turn everyone to his point of view.
That's a great post! But ...I really don't desire to turn everyone to my pov.
No, REALLY!
This is the only forum I have ever posted in and I'm beginning to realise, not in ALL cases, but most, it's all about WINNING an argument and shutting down, strawmanning, demonising, misquoting, anyone that has a different view. I've also said many times ~ I don't wish to "cancel" lefties or woke people. I may not agree with their take on things but I am fine with a different view. When I hear how potty the latest woke meme is it actually reinforces why I hold the position I may have. If we all had the same leftist woke view it would actually be hell.
VOT, whenever you post on this thread could you include the following image after the text please? Just to make it more official kinda thing yeah. cheers.
I was told it was part of the leftist playbook to further the Islamification of this country at every possible turn, no? Why on earth therefore would a leftist think such an Islamic image (that s/he promotes) would apply to my comments..surely that would mean you wish to promote my postings too..Now THATS bizarre!
Wokery, what an utterly meaningless term used as a catch all for racists, homophobes, misogynists and especially trolls to try and worm out of having their views questioned.
Apparently, all set to be the cornerstone of the Tories' next re-election attempt: war on woke
VOT, whenever you post on this thread could you include the following image after the text please? Just to make it more official kinda thing yeah. cheers.
I was told it was part of the leftist playbook to further the Islamification of this country at every possible turn, no? Why on earth therefore would a leftist think such an Islamic image (that s/he promotes) would apply to my comments..surely that would mean you wish to promote my postings too..Now THATS bizarre!
Blocks VOT*not sure why you are allowed the platform to spout your nonsense, not even worth discussing anything here. You live in the stone ages and people should leave you to it.
Edit- Can someone tell me how to mute/ block someone @AFKABartram?
I have to take my hat off to VOT, the level of abuse he receives is totally unnecessary, is totally out of order, but he doesn't come back with the same. I certainly would but of course it would only be me punished.
I note a lot are by those that do it across the patch, but hey ho they have got away with it for years, so things wont change.
It doesn't mean i agree with most of his comments but he is perfectly entitled to have them the way he see's it. Why have some of you got to constantly find something and someone to bicker with.
Blocks VOT*not sure why you are allowed the platform to spout your nonsense, not even worth discussing anything here. You live in the stone ages and people should leave you to it.
Edit- Can someone tell me how to mute/ block someone @AFKABartram?
VOT, whenever you post on this thread could you include the following image after the text please? Just to make it more official kinda thing yeah. cheers.
I was told it was part of the leftist playbook to further the Islamification of this country at every possible turn, no? Why on earth therefore would a leftist think such an Islamic image (that s/he promotes) would apply to my comments..surely that would mean you wish to promote my postings too..Now THATS bizarre!
You think the country is being Islamified?
Perhaps you would prefer the Taliban in charge, their and your views on women are very much aligned.
Thread drift of an already very drifted original thread!
Just as a gentle observation ~ and I'm sure you are joshing but if you REALLY DO equate a personal view about women refereeing men's football with ... a State that cuts off right hands every day of the week and publically executes its citizens, and makes their women slaves (Well done Biden ~ your senility, corruption and cowardice all contributed to enabling this to return). Then you really have lost it.
If, as some commentators have suggested in the past, Sharia law (which in various places and to varying degrees, is implemented in this country already) becomes officially recognised as Law, I can assure you, uppermost in your mind will not be VoT's erstwhile "evil" and "sexist" "terrible" comments on who's refereeing the footie on Saturday!
You will yearn for such "civilised" halcyon days. And weep. Good luck whining to these tyrants then. Where words like "evil" sexist" and "terrible" are adjectives that don't go far enough in describing what these reprehensible people call "acceptable". I suspect you won't even have access to the internet TO whine when that day arrives. And arrive it will.
Where in this country is sharia law implemented? I see this far right talking point a lot but there's never any evidence.
I have to take my hat off to VOT, the level of abuse he receives is totally unnecessary, is totally out of order, but he doesn't come back with the same. I certainly would but of course it would only be me punished.
I note a lot are by those that do it across the patch, but hey ho they have got away with it for years, so things wont change.
It doesn't mean i agree with most of his comments but he is perfectly entitled to have them the way he see's it. Why have some of you got to constantly find something and someone to bicker with.
Surely if he’s entitled to his opinions, people are just as entitled to challenge them.
Blocks VOT*not sure why you are allowed the platform to spout your nonsense, not even worth discussing anything here. You live in the stone ages and people should leave you to it.
Edit- Can someone tell me how to mute/ block someone @AFKABartram?
What have I done wrong???
Everything lol sorry mate just asking if you know how to block/mute.
I have to take my hat off to VOT, the level of abuse he receives is totally unnecessary, is totally out of order, but he doesn't come back with the same. I certainly would but of course it would only be me punished.
I note a lot are by those that do it across the patch, but hey ho they have got away with it for years, so things wont change.
It doesn't mean i agree with most of his comments but he is perfectly entitled to have them the way he see's it. Why have some of you got to constantly find something and someone to bicker with.
Give over, its a difference if there is an open discussion.
VOT is either on a massive Troll, or clearly has very stone aged views. Each to their own normally, but in this instance there is alot wrong with his views and that doesn't mean me or anyone who challenges them are woke.
Wokery, what an utterly meaningless term used as a catch all for racists, homophobes, misogynists and especially trolls to try and worm out of having their views questioned.
Apparently, all set to be the cornerstone of the Tories' next re-election attempt: war on woke
Anybody promoting a war on woke is a person promoting racism.
VOT, whenever you post on this thread could you include the following image after the text please? Just to make it more official kinda thing yeah. cheers.
I was told it was part of the leftist playbook to further the Islamification of this country at every possible turn, no? Why on earth therefore would a leftist think such an Islamic image (that s/he promotes) would apply to my comments..surely that would mean you wish to promote my postings too..Now THATS bizarre!
You think the country is being Islamified?
Perhaps you would prefer the Taliban in charge, their and your views on women are very much aligned.
Thread drift of an already very drifted original thread!
Just as a gentle observation ~ and I'm sure you are joshing but if you REALLY DO equate a personal view about women refereeing men's football with ... a State that cuts off right hands every day of the week and publically executes its citizens, and makes their women slaves (Well done Biden ~ your senility, corruption and cowardice all contributed to enabling this to return). Then you really have lost it.
If, as some commentators have suggested in the past, Sharia law (which in various places and to varying degrees, is implemented in this country already) becomes officially recognised as Law, I can assure you, uppermost in your mind will not be VoT's erstwhile "evil" and "sexist" "terrible" comments on who's refereeing the footie on Saturday!
You will yearn for such "civilised" halcyon days. And weep. Good luck whining to these tyrants then. Where words like "evil" sexist" and "terrible" are adjectives that don't go far enough in describing what these reprehensible people call "acceptable". I suspect you won't even have access to the internet TO whine when that day arrives. And arrive it will.
At this point I realise you’re just one of those weak willed people who are so easily radicalised. Lost cause.
I have to take my hat off to VOT, the level of abuse he receives is totally unnecessary, is totally out of order, but he doesn't come back with the same. I certainly would but of course it would only be me punished.
I note a lot are by those that do it across the patch, but hey ho they have got away with it for years, so things wont change.
It doesn't mean i agree with most of his comments but he is perfectly entitled to have them the way he see's it. Why have some of you got to constantly find something and someone to bicker with.
Surely if he’s entitled to his opinions, people are just as entitled to challenge them.
Of course in a civilised manner. Same on the covid thread. Totally rude.
I have to take my hat off to VOT, the level of abuse he receives is totally unnecessary, is totally out of order, but he doesn't come back with the same. I certainly would but of course it would only be me punished.
I note a lot are by those that do it across the patch, but hey ho they have got away with it for years, so things wont change.
It doesn't mean i agree with most of his comments but he is perfectly entitled to have them the way he see's it. Why have some of you got to constantly find something and someone to bicker with.
Give over, its a difference if there is an open discussion.
VOT is either on a massive Troll, or clearly has very stone aged views. Each to their own normally, but in this instance there is alot wrong with his views and that doesn't mean me or anyone who challenges them are woke.
I have to take my hat off to VOT, the level of abuse he receives is totally unnecessary, is totally out of order, but he doesn't come back with the same. I certainly would but of course it would only be me punished.
I note a lot are by those that do it across the patch, but hey ho they have got away with it for years, so things wont change.
It doesn't mean i agree with most of his comments but he is perfectly entitled to have them the way he see's it. Why have some of you got to constantly find something and someone to bicker with.
Give over, its a difference if there is an open discussion.
VOT is either on a massive Troll, or clearly has very stone aged views. Each to their own normally, but in this instance there is alot wrong with his views and that doesn't mean me or anyone who challenges them are woke.
I have to take my hat off to VOT, the level of abuse he receives is totally unnecessary, is totally out of order, but he doesn't come back with the same. I certainly would but of course it would only be me punished.
I note a lot are by those that do it across the patch, but hey ho they have got away with it for years, so things wont change.
It doesn't mean i agree with most of his comments but he is perfectly entitled to have them the way he see's it. Why have some of you got to constantly find something and someone to bicker with.
The only person saying he is being "cancelled" or somehow banned from having those views is him - incorrectly. Everyone else is just disagreeing with the views he's expressed.
He is well within his rights to express those views but anyone else is equally entitled call those views sexist etc if that is how we see it.
I have to take my hat off to VOT, the level of abuse he receives is totally unnecessary, is totally out of order, but he doesn't come back with the same. I certainly would but of course it would only be me punished.
I note a lot are by those that do it across the patch, but hey ho they have got away with it for years, so things wont change.
It doesn't mean i agree with most of his comments but he is perfectly entitled to have them the way he see's it. Why have some of you got to constantly find something and someone to bicker with.
Surely if he’s entitled to his opinions, people are just as entitled to challenge them.
Of course in a civilised manner. Same on the covid thread. Totally rude.
I have to take my hat off to VOT, the level of abuse he receives is totally unnecessary, is totally out of order, but he doesn't come back with the same. I certainly would but of course it would only be me punished.
I note a lot are by those that do it across the patch, but hey ho they have got away with it for years, so things wont change.
It doesn't mean i agree with most of his comments but he is perfectly entitled to have them the way he see's it. Why have some of you got to constantly find something and someone to bicker with.
He is also perfectly entitled to be challenged on those viewpoints if he chooses to air them in a public domain such as this.
Insulted? Probably not. But challenged? Yes.
Normalising viewpoints such as sexist/homophobic/racist nonsense just leads to those people believing that the majority of people are okay with that type of speech on this website.
Now here's a revelation someone just pointed out ... Our dear friend Rebecca Welch posting a lovely photo of her and her baby son on her Twitter feed entitled "On our way to church now"!!!
I have to take my hat off to VOT, the level of abuse he receives is totally unnecessary, is totally out of order, but he doesn't come back with the same. I certainly would but of course it would only be me punished.
I note a lot are by those that do it across the patch, but hey ho they have got away with it for years, so things wont change.
It doesn't mean i agree with most of his comments but he is perfectly entitled to have them the way he see's it. Why have some of you got to constantly find something and someone to bicker with.
He is also perfectly entitled to be challenged on those viewpoints if he chooses to air them in a public domain such as this.
Insulted? Probably not. But challenged? Yes.
Normalising viewpoints such as sexist/homophobic/racist nonsense just leads to those people believing that the majority of people are okay with that type of speech on this website.
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Yes I agree ~ I certainly don't speak for you.
Perhaps you would prefer the Taliban in charge, their and your views on women are very much aligned.
Just as a gentle observation ~ and I'm sure you are joshing but if you REALLY DO equate a personal view about women refereeing men's football with ... a State that cuts off right hands every day of the week and publically executes its citizens, and makes their women slaves (Well done Biden ~ your senility, corruption and cowardice all contributed to enabling this to return). Then you really have lost it.
If, as some commentators have suggested in the past, Sharia law (which in various places and to varying degrees, is implemented in this country already) becomes officially recognised as Law, I can assure you, uppermost in your mind will not be VoT's erstwhile "evil" and "sexist" "terrible" comments on who's refereeing the footie on Saturday!
You will yearn for such "civilised" halcyon days. And weep. Good luck whining to these tyrants then. Where words like "evil" sexist" and "terrible" are adjectives that don't go far enough in describing what these reprehensible people call "acceptable". I suspect you won't even have access to the internet TO whine when that day arrives. And arrive it will.
No, REALLY!
This is the only forum I have ever posted in and I'm beginning to realise, not in ALL cases, but most, it's all about WINNING an argument and shutting down, strawmanning, demonising, misquoting, anyone that has a different view. I've also said many times ~ I don't wish to "cancel" lefties or woke people. I may not agree with their take on things but I am fine with a different view. When I hear how potty the latest woke meme is it actually reinforces why I hold the position I may have. If we all had the same leftist woke view it would actually be hell.
Be careful what you wish for!
we really need to stop letting the forum get distracted by the attention seeking behaviour
Can we get VOT and QA in a room and lock them in together? That is something I’d pay to watch.
Edit- Can someone tell me how to mute/ block someone @AFKABartram?
I note a lot are by those that do it across the patch, but hey ho they have got away with it for years, so things wont change.
It doesn't mean i agree with most of his comments but he is perfectly entitled to have them the way he see's it. Why have some of you got to constantly find something and someone to bicker with.
VOT is either on a massive Troll, or clearly has very stone aged views. Each to their own normally, but in this instance there is alot wrong with his views and that doesn't mean me or anyone who challenges them are woke.
He is well within his rights to express those views but anyone else is equally entitled call those views sexist etc if that is how we see it.
Insulted? Probably not. But challenged? Yes.
Normalising viewpoints such as sexist/homophobic/racist nonsense just leads to those people believing that the majority of people are okay with that type of speech on this website.
The mystery deepens!