I have to take my hat off to VOT, the level of abuse he receives is totally unnecessary, is totally out of order, but he doesn't come back with the same. I certainly would but of course it would only be me punished.
I note a lot are by those that do it across the patch, but hey ho they have got away with it for years, so things wont change.
It doesn't mean i agree with most of his comments but he is perfectly entitled to have them the way he see's it. Why have some of you got to constantly find something and someone to bicker with.
He is also perfectly entitled to be challenged on those viewpoints if he chooses to air them in a public domain such as this.
Insulted? Probably not. But challenged? Yes.
Normalising viewpoints such as sexist/homophobic/racist nonsense just leads to those people believing that the majority of people are okay with that type of speech on this website.
Perfectly fine in challenging points. But it's not a discussion.
This generally is the leftist's MO:
1. Denigrate the poster not the content of the post. 2. Rehash earlier posts on other completely unrelated threads from months and months ago. 3. If the content IS ever referred to it's something like "Well PROVE It then". 4. Poster provides source of content and leftist then says "ah well how can you trust THAT source they are (*del as appropriate) "Racist!", "Far right!" "homophobic!" "haters!'
And so the leftist never "challenges" anything properly in constructive argument. S/he says that their narrow woke view is the ONLY view on earth and everyone that doesn't recite their miserable, humourless and lifeless creed is ~ fill in the pejorative term - and to be hounded out of town.
I have to agree, this leftist MO has worked very well for quite some time. But, like any delusion, and distortion of Truth, it is waring off and its effects are minimal. A LOT of very reasonable, not politicised people see through it all and just get on with things.
There was a time when the left had a degree of honour ~ Tony Benn is a fine example. A great orator and also a man who really did listen to the opposing view and argue each point fully and never succumbing to hurling wokery at his opponent.
Now they are gone. And we are left with Inarticulate zombies shouting "racist. Sexist homophobe" at anyone that dares to point out how utterly stupid they are (yawn)
And at people that are clearly none of these things.
And all the while, those individuals who actually ARE all these things, are left to continue with impunity.
See earlier point raised by Gribbo on the sexist and racist gangs in Rotherham and Rochdale and and and ...
I suspect that was the "wrong sort of sexism and racism" for your argument.
I have to take my hat off to VOT, the level of abuse he receives is totally unnecessary, is totally out of order, but he doesn't come back with the same. I certainly would but of course it would only be me punished.
I note a lot are by those that do it across the patch, but hey ho they have got away with it for years, so things wont change.
It doesn't mean i agree with most of his comments but he is perfectly entitled to have them the way he see's it. Why have some of you got to constantly find something and someone to bicker with.
Yes I agree Chippy ~ we should be entitled to express ourselves. Isn't that what "diversity" is all about? People with a diverse set of ideas and beliefs and faiths being included in the centre and not being left (or sent to) the edges of the perimeter lawn.
I have to take my hat off to VOT, the level of abuse he receives is totally unnecessary, is totally out of order, but he doesn't come back with the same. I certainly would but of course it would only be me punished.
I note a lot are by those that do it across the patch, but hey ho they have got away with it for years, so things wont change.
It doesn't mean i agree with most of his comments but he is perfectly entitled to have them the way he see's it. Why have some of you got to constantly find something and someone to bicker with.
Yes I agree Chippy ~ we should be entitled to express ourselves. Isn't that what "diversity" is all about? People with a diverse set of ideas and beliefs and faiths being included in the centre and not being left (or sent to) the edges of the perimeter lawn.
You are getting your words muddled, sexism is not challenging diversity
We have gone well past the original point of the thread, which was probably your plan.
The original post is about a woman ref, doing a good job and officiating in the mens game. Following this she was commanded as doing a bloody good job, you have responded she shouldn't be reffing in a mens football game. Please point out where this is not being sexist, try not to bring god or how in the past women were expected to do this. or they would be better served staying at home.
Half the stuff you dont deserve the response, but as you continue to post more and more nonsense, feel free to respond to the above?
Should lock the thread really as its not going anywhere.
PS- stop using the term woke, it really shows how awful you really are
This thread could be used as a textbook example of the negative effects of religion and why humanity is so much better off without it.
It’s a text book example of someone posting to get a strong negative reaction and enjoying mixing it, AKA a troll 😈 And one who is a weeny bit creepy judging by the “mystery deepens” post.
I have to take my hat off to VOT, the level of abuse he receives is totally unnecessary, is totally out of order, but he doesn't come back with the same. I certainly would but of course it would only be me punished.
I note a lot are by those that do it across the patch, but hey ho they have got away with it for years, so things wont change.
It doesn't mean i agree with most of his comments but he is perfectly entitled to have them the way he see's it. Why have some of you got to constantly find something and someone to bicker with.
Yes I agree Chippy ~ we should be entitled to express ourselves. Isn't that what "diversity" is all about? People with a diverse set of ideas and beliefs and faiths being included in the centre and not being left (or sent to) the edges of the perimeter lawn.
You are getting your words muddled, sexism is not challenging diversity
We have gone well past the original point of the thread, which was probably your plan.
The original post is about a woman ref, doing a good job and officiating in the mens game. Following this she was commanded as doing a bloody good job, you have responded she shouldn't be reffing in a mens football game. Please point out where this is not being sexist, try not to bring god or how in the past women were expected to do this. or they would be better served staying at home.
Half the stuff you dont deserve the response, but as you continue to post more and more nonsense, feel free to respond to the above?
Should lock the thread really as its not going anywhere.
PS- stop using the term woke, it really shows how awful you really are
JB: I think you are beyond help. You can at least spell so all is not lost. But I wonder whether you can read? I've not "brought God into" anything in this thread. I've not once said "women should stay at home". I would encourage you to actually read the content before responding to content you haven't in fact read.
I have to take my hat off to VOT, the level of abuse he receives is totally unnecessary, is totally out of order, but he doesn't come back with the same. I certainly would but of course it would only be me punished.
I note a lot are by those that do it across the patch, but hey ho they have got away with it for years, so things wont change.
It doesn't mean i agree with most of his comments but he is perfectly entitled to have them the way he see's it. Why have some of you got to constantly find something and someone to bicker with.
He is also perfectly entitled to be challenged on those viewpoints if he chooses to air them in a public domain such as this.
Insulted? Probably not. But challenged? Yes.
Normalising viewpoints such as sexist/homophobic/racist nonsense just leads to those people believing that the majority of people are okay with that type of speech on this website.
Noone IS normalising these things SELR.
What YOU are doing however with every knee jerk reaction to any comment to which you disagree is making such words lose their power and seriousness. And that IS a problem. Because when these offensive malevolent behaviours actually ARE being dished out to people to harm it will be all the false alarms that you rang that will leave people desensitised when the real thing is before them.
With regarding your last point BM ~ at no point in this thread have I suggested a woman's place is forever in the home.. Do read the discussion and see that. It was for this earlier accusation that I disclosed various personal relationships with women in my life ~ relatives, colleagues, friends etc. I was then shot down (rather predictably ) with ".... Ere listen to 'im now ...I have women relatives so therefore I can't be sexist" jibes. So I cannot really win..It is impossible to further a discussion when the only purpose is to (attempt to) corner your opponent and (attempt to) shut them down. I do hope you will find more on this thread than just your own viewpoint.
Just some of the time?
What is your view on the dad staying at home and the mum going out to work?
Not the ideal set up ME14. You asked for my view
There are of course many factors to be considered in a case by case basis. You could add somewhere down the line that the father in question has a disability that makes staying at home essential and the mother is very well paid or perhaps has taken over the business etc Perhaps there is a choice of maintaining the aforesaid (not ideal) set up, or a broken home, where the child sees even less of both parent ~ totally for the child to be raised with both parents in the most functional way for the child to adapt and function and thrive and meet the many challenges modern adult life throws up.
Tried to ignore this thread and this vile human but insomnia led me here.
Christ what a horrible view to hold - Dad can stay at home as long as he's disabled and the wife earns a lot.
With regarding your last point BM ~ at no point in this thread have I suggested a woman's place is forever in the home.. Do read the discussion and see that. It was for this earlier accusation that I disclosed various personal relationships with women in my life ~ relatives, colleagues, friends etc. I was then shot down (rather predictably ) with ".... Ere listen to 'im now ...I have women relatives so therefore I can't be sexist" jibes. So I cannot really win..It is impossible to further a discussion when the only purpose is to (attempt to) corner your opponent and (attempt to) shut them down. I do hope you will find more on this thread than just your own viewpoint.
This whole argument began because you told the female referee, who did pretty well at her job, to go and ref women instead because she has no place with the men.
Glad this was pointed out, as I had noticed the goal posts had been ever so slightly moved from that original contention to one of (paraphrased) "the woman should be at home for the weekends being a mother not being a ref"
Both contentions of course, absolute rubbish and dripping in misogyny.
(((Shakes head))))
Because you are unable to argue a single point, you revert to this rather predictable leftist crib sheet. "...Oh he's a sexist he's a this he's a that"((mega-yawn))
I am none of these things. I don't follow the crowd or follow the latest fashionable progressive viewpoint. (Which will be next year's "- ism" anyway.
I will leave you in your woke echo chamber to influence absolutely noone to your hearts content..
But should you wish to grow and take on board other viewpoints (not agree with them) then all well and good...
It's not a woke echo chamber though is is you absolute prick.
Plenty of people are engaging with you and trying to understand your views so there can be a debate but you retreat and hide behind the words woke or cancelled.
I didn't suggest reading a hit piece on the author, I recommended reading the actual book! Two very different things.
So often in this age we do virtually no challenging of our own error laden default positions, refuse to read a text that may inform us in a variety of ways we may have been hitherto blind to and instead we hunt down any source anywhere that will reinforce our position and noone learns anything at all.
With regarding your last point BM ~ at no point in this thread have I suggested a woman's place is forever in the home.. Do read the discussion and see that. It was for this earlier accusation that I disclosed various personal relationships with women in my life ~ relatives, colleagues, friends etc. I was then shot down (rather predictably ) with ".... Ere listen to 'im now ...I have women relatives so therefore I can't be sexist" jibes. So I cannot really win..It is impossible to further a discussion when the only purpose is to (attempt to) corner your opponent and (attempt to) shut them down. I do hope you will find more on this thread than just your own viewpoint.
Just some of the time?
What is your view on the dad staying at home and the mum going out to work?
Not the ideal set up ME14. You asked for my view
There are of course many factors to be considered in a case by case basis. You could add somewhere down the line that the father in question has a disability that makes staying at home essential and the mother is very well paid or perhaps has taken over the business etc Perhaps there is a choice of maintaining the aforesaid (not ideal) set up, or a broken home, where the child sees even less of both parent ~ totally for the child to be raised with both parents in the most functional way for the child to adapt and function and thrive and meet the many challenges modern adult life throws up.
Why is it not ideal for a man to stay at home and look after the children, instead of the woman? Apart from giving birth and breast feeding, what can a woman do that a man can't when bringing up their children?
Mother them.
I'd bet good money that this imbecile has also used the argument in his life that - the problem with the youth of today is lack of a father figure due to a broken home.
With regarding your last point BM ~ at no point in this thread have I suggested a woman's place is forever in the home.. Do read the discussion and see that. It was for this earlier accusation that I disclosed various personal relationships with women in my life ~ relatives, colleagues, friends etc. I was then shot down (rather predictably ) with ".... Ere listen to 'im now ...I have women relatives so therefore I can't be sexist" jibes. So I cannot really win..It is impossible to further a discussion when the only purpose is to (attempt to) corner your opponent and (attempt to) shut them down. I do hope you will find more on this thread than just your own viewpoint.
Just some of the time?
What is your view on the dad staying at home and the mum going out to work?
Not the ideal set up ME14. You asked for my view
There are of course many factors to be considered in a case by case basis. You could add somewhere down the line that the father in question has a disability that makes staying at home essential and the mother is very well paid or perhaps has taken over the business etc Perhaps there is a choice of maintaining the aforesaid (not ideal) set up, or a broken home, where the child sees even less of both parent ~ totally for the child to be raised with both parents in the most functional way for the child to adapt and function and thrive and meet the many challenges modern adult life throws up.
Tried to ignore this thread and this vile human but insomnia led me here.
Christ what a horrible view to hold - Dad can stay at home as long as he's disabled and the wife earns a lot.
Clearly you have ignored this thread. Revealed in your above post.
With regarding your last point BM ~ at no point in this thread have I suggested a woman's place is forever in the home.. Do read the discussion and see that. It was for this earlier accusation that I disclosed various personal relationships with women in my life ~ relatives, colleagues, friends etc. I was then shot down (rather predictably ) with ".... Ere listen to 'im now ...I have women relatives so therefore I can't be sexist" jibes. So I cannot really win..It is impossible to further a discussion when the only purpose is to (attempt to) corner your opponent and (attempt to) shut them down. I do hope you will find more on this thread than just your own viewpoint.
Just some of the time?
What is your view on the dad staying at home and the mum going out to work?
Not the ideal set up ME14. You asked for my view
There are of course many factors to be considered in a case by case basis. You could add somewhere down the line that the father in question has a disability that makes staying at home essential and the mother is very well paid or perhaps has taken over the business etc Perhaps there is a choice of maintaining the aforesaid (not ideal) set up, or a broken home, where the child sees even less of both parent ~ totally for the child to be raised with both parents in the most functional way for the child to adapt and function and thrive and meet the many challenges modern adult life throws up.
Why is it not ideal for a man to stay at home and look after the children, instead of the woman? Apart from giving birth and breast feeding, what can a woman do that a man can't when bringing up their children?
Mother them.
I'd bet good money that this imbecile has also used the argument I his life that the problem with the youth of today is lack of a father figure due to a broken home.
This arsehole is the main reason I avoid the forum for the most part now.
I think I can speak for everyone ~ you've not been missed!
Don't think you can speak for everyone I've had plenty of messages saying I'm missed and asking if I'm okay.
I grew up with religious fundamentalist parents with views not that different to yours. Dismayed to see further up the thread that you have daughters. I hope that they can find a way to get out of your grip and educate themselves and form their own views on the world and break away from the horrible cult like circling which tries to keep them there. I hope that they are/go on to be strong powerful women who are able to make their own choices about their careers, their role and what happens to their body.
This arsehole is the main reason I avoid the forum for the most part now.
I think I can speak for everyone ~ you've not been missed!
Don't think you can speak for everyone I've had plenty of messages saying I'm missed and asking if I'm okay.
I grew up with religious fundamentalist parents with views not that different to yours. Dismayed to see further up the thread that you have daughters. I hope that they can find a way to get out of your grip and educate themselves and form their own views on the world and break away from the horrible cult like circling which tries to keep them there. I hope that they are/go on to be strong powerful women who are able to make their own choices about their careers, their role and what happens to their body.
I DIDNT grow up with Religious Fundamentalist parents like you Canters which is probably why I have chosen to be a Christian and you have chosen not to be. You have free will.
I am glad you will for my daughters to "form their own views ". How tragic it would be if they became.woke and had all their views embedded in them like the automatons of this age.
And I too hope they will be "... strong powerful women who are able to make their own choices about their careers, their role and what happens to.their body".
They know their right from wrong. It's not Religious Fundamentalism that dictates that. It's loving ones children and raising them in a functional healthy Christian environment where they can see both the futility and ultimate tragedy of a faithless life and the true freedom that comes with knowing God. Far from them wishing to "escape" that freedom ~ they would pray you too experience it. And nothing less.
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This generally is the leftist's MO:
1. Denigrate the poster not the content of the post.
2. Rehash earlier posts on other completely unrelated threads from months and months ago.
3. If the content IS ever referred to it's something like "Well PROVE It then".
4. Poster provides source of content and leftist then says "ah well how can you trust THAT source they are (*del as appropriate)
"Racist!", "Far right!" "homophobic!" "haters!'
And so the leftist never "challenges" anything properly in constructive argument. S/he says that their narrow woke view is the ONLY view on earth and everyone that doesn't recite their miserable, humourless and lifeless creed is ~ fill in the pejorative term - and to be hounded out of town.
I have to agree, this leftist MO has worked very well for quite some time. But, like any delusion, and distortion of Truth, it is waring off and its effects are minimal. A LOT of very reasonable, not politicised people see through it all and just get on with things.
There was a time when the left had a degree of honour ~ Tony Benn is a fine example. A great orator and also a man who really did listen to the opposing view and argue each point fully and never succumbing to hurling wokery at his opponent.
Now they are gone. And we are left with
Inarticulate zombies shouting "racist. Sexist homophobe" at anyone that dares to point out how utterly stupid they are (yawn)
And at people that are clearly none of these things.
And all the while, those individuals who actually ARE all these things, are left to continue with impunity.
See earlier point raised by Gribbo on the sexist and racist gangs in Rotherham and Rochdale and and and ...
I suspect that was the "wrong sort of sexism and racism" for your argument.
We have gone well past the original point of the thread, which was probably your plan.
The original post is about a woman ref, doing a good job and officiating in the mens game. Following this she was commanded as doing a bloody good job, you have responded she shouldn't be reffing in a mens football game. Please point out where this is not being sexist, try not to bring god or how in the past women were expected to do this. or they would be better served staying at home.
Half the stuff you dont deserve the response, but as you continue to post more and more nonsense, feel free to respond to the above?
Should lock the thread really as its not going anywhere.
PS- stop using the term woke, it really shows how awful you really are
It’s a text book example of someone posting to get a strong negative reaction and enjoying mixing it, AKA a troll 😈 And one who is a weeny bit creepy judging by the “mystery deepens” post.
Ronnie Moore struggles to string together a few coherant, correctly spelt words.
What YOU are doing however with every knee jerk reaction to any comment to which you disagree is making such words lose their power and seriousness. And that IS a problem. Because when these offensive malevolent behaviours actually ARE being dished out to people to harm it will be all the false alarms that you rang that will leave people desensitised when the real thing is before them.
Christ what a horrible view to hold - Dad can stay at home as long as he's disabled and the wife earns a lot.
Plenty of people are engaging with you and trying to understand your views so there can be a debate but you retreat and hide behind the words woke or cancelled.
You can't reason with stupid.
I grew up with religious fundamentalist parents with views not that different to yours. Dismayed to see further up the thread that you have daughters. I hope that they can find a way to get out of your grip and educate themselves and form their own views on the world and break away from the horrible cult like circling which tries to keep them there. I hope that they are/go on to be strong powerful women who are able to make their own choices about their careers, their role and what happens to their body.
I am glad you will for my daughters to "form their own views ". How tragic it would be if they became.woke and had all their views embedded in them like the automatons of this age.
And I too hope they will be "... strong powerful women who are able to make their own choices about their careers, their role and what happens to.their body".
They know their right from wrong. It's not Religious Fundamentalism that dictates that. It's loving ones children and raising them in a functional healthy Christian environment where they can see both the futility and ultimate tragedy of a faithless life and the true freedom that comes with knowing God. Far from them wishing to "escape" that freedom ~ they would pray you too experience it. And nothing less.