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Summer 2022 transfer rumours (Gilbey loan confirmed p513, a signing falls through last minute p541)
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Another way of looking at it is we have about 5,040 different combinations of CMs (work it out on a calculator.. admittedly it would be a funny formation) that could do a job. It is arguable if we have 2 or 3 for the back 4 and the front 3. It's also arguable that we dont have a good front 3, as it stands, in any combination.Scoham said:
Many of the players who were seen as “too good for League 1” became more highly rated as the season went on.sam3110 said:
I think it's also a case of looking at the squad as a whole and thinking they aren't up to much. Sure having honest and experienced pros knocking around the squad is better than having a bunch of kids, but none of them are exciting players, people who look a level above the league we're in, and that's what feels different compared to the promotion seasons IMOChunes said:To those saying they hope we don't get left behind, in our promotion season we lost the opening game to Sunderland and we couldn't even name a full bench. Just five of the available seven, those being Ajose, Sarr, AMB, Maloney (I don't even remember him) and Hackett-Fairchild.
And we went on to get promoted.
What's strange is that I've just been back through every season since then and I can't find a stronger, fuller squad than the one we've got now. (Find me another season where we've got players like MacGilvray, Payne, Kirk, McGrandles, Gilbey & Lavelle on the BENCH on day one). And yet this board is more overwhelmingly negative than it's ever been. I can only put it down to some kind of collective emotional trauma we've all experienced because objectively we are better placed than we have been in the past five years, including the season we got promoted.
The season won't live or die based on whether we do our final business on deadline day or not, we are already further ahead than we've been in a long time.
I remember players like Aribo and Bielik being inconsistent early on. Bielik was even subbed off at half time in one game after he kept giving the ball away and Aribo wasn’t the goal threat he became.
We don’t have players who obviously stand out like they did but it’s too early to be sure no one will progress to that point. Late signings coming in could add real quality too as Yann, Bielik and Cullen did.
Now that could all change if the right 3 or 4 come in between now and the end of the month. I hope it does. Expecting it will is a bit different.1 -
Take 40 combos off for Albie though!!😜🤣… JOKE!!!!!!Cafc43v3r said:
Another way of looking at it is we have about 5,040 different combinations of CMs (work it out on a calculator.. admittedly it would be a funny formation) that could do a job. It is arguable if we have 2 or 3 for the back 4 and the front 3. It's also arguable that we dont have a good front 3, as it stands, in any combination.Scoham said:
Many of the players who were seen as “too good for League 1” became more highly rated as the season went on.sam3110 said:
I think it's also a case of looking at the squad as a whole and thinking they aren't up to much. Sure having honest and experienced pros knocking around the squad is better than having a bunch of kids, but none of them are exciting players, people who look a level above the league we're in, and that's what feels different compared to the promotion seasons IMOChunes said:To those saying they hope we don't get left behind, in our promotion season we lost the opening game to Sunderland and we couldn't even name a full bench. Just five of the available seven, those being Ajose, Sarr, AMB, Maloney (I don't even remember him) and Hackett-Fairchild.
And we went on to get promoted.
What's strange is that I've just been back through every season since then and I can't find a stronger, fuller squad than the one we've got now. (Find me another season where we've got players like MacGilvray, Payne, Kirk, McGrandles, Gilbey & Lavelle on the BENCH on day one). And yet this board is more overwhelmingly negative than it's ever been. I can only put it down to some kind of collective emotional trauma we've all experienced because objectively we are better placed than we have been in the past five years, including the season we got promoted.
The season won't live or die based on whether we do our final business on deadline day or not, we are already further ahead than we've been in a long time.
I remember players like Aribo and Bielik being inconsistent early on. Bielik was even subbed off at half time in one game after he kept giving the ball away and Aribo wasn’t the goal threat he became.
We don’t have players who obviously stand out like they did but it’s too early to be sure no one will progress to that point. Late signings coming in could add real quality too as Yann, Bielik and Cullen did.
Now that could all change if the right 3 or 4 come in between now and the end of the month. I hope it does. Expecting it will is a bit different.1 -
I'm all for optimism but many of our shit show of last year started last week's game and, in my opinion nobody in this squad comes anywhere near Aribo, Cullen or Bielek.....
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We got shit lucky with those guys didn’t we, very much the exception to the rule as they say. We are firmly back to the real world now. Although I don’t think it’s quite as bad as you say, hopefully with improvements.supaclive said:I'm all for optimism but many of our shit show of last year started last week's game and, in my opinion nobody in this squad comes anywhere near Aribo, Cullen or Bielek.....3 -
There's been some comparison with our preparation of the 2018/19 promotion season.
You know, we began that season understrength and results reflected it.
Who remembers that in the entire month of August 2018, 5 League matches were played ...... yielding just 5 points.
A Sunderland L ... 1-2
H Shrewsbury W... 2-1
A Accrington D... 1-1
H Posh ......... L ... 0-1
A Fleetwood. D... 0-0
Just 1 win in our first 5 matches, an average of a paltry single point agame ..... that form over the course of the season would have resulted in certain relegation.
Maybe we should have sacked Lee Bowyer!
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Not sure about the position in January, realistically our initial run under Jacko staved off relegation fears and we we'd started too far behind to realistically challenge. We lost at home to Wycombe on New Years Day and we were 14 points off play offs, only the very optimistic thought that would be possible.Cafc43v3r said:
You could say January was a good window because we have Fraser and A&Eneke now but the 4 of them played how many games? We had everything to play for on new years day. We could have got promoted or relegated.cafcfan1990 said:
January was tough because we already had nothing to play for. Fraser was a decent investment and we finally replaced Aneke, with Aneke. Castillo and John were poor admittedly, although the former can be explained, even if not defended, if the rumour about signing him for Aneke is true.Cafc43v3r said:
We are miles ahead of where we were last summer and the two previous ones at this level.Chunes said:To those saying they hope we don't get left behind, in our promotion season we lost the opening game to Sunderland and we couldn't even name a full bench. Just five of the available seven, those being Ajose, Sarr, AMB, Maloney (I don't even remember him) and Hackett-Fairchild.
And we went on to get promoted.
What's strange is that I've just been back through every season since then and I can't find a stronger, fuller squad than the one we've got now. (Find me another season where we've got players like MacGilvray, Payne, Kirk, McGrandles, Gilbey & Lavelle on the BENCH on day one). And yet this board is more overwhelmingly negative than it's ever been. I can only put it down to some kind of collective emotional trauma we've all experienced because objectively we are better placed than we have been in the past five years, including the season we got promoted.
The season won't live or die based on whether we do our final business on deadline day or not, we are already further ahead than we've been in a long time.
In 18/19 we signed a few including Bielik and Cullen after the season started. In the other two seasons we didn't get promoted, we didn't even finish in the top half last season. So we are better off than last season isn't really a high bench mark.
I don't think anyone thinks we won't sign some more people before the window slams shut. I don't think anyone thinks we have got enough to be promotion challengers now.
The big question is will we get a couple of Cullen and Bielik level signings or more Lee's and Leko's?
Last season I was convinced, even after 3 or 4 games that we would get it right. We didn't. We got it wrong in January. Why should I believe we will get it right this time?
You could also say that last summer was a good window because Clare has reinvented himself as a defender, CBT got fit about February and Kirk might come good. Didn't help us at the time though.
Fraser was an investment because he was a decent, permanent signing. The rest was pretty poor but ultimately didn't really contribute to last season's failure nor will it determine how we do this season so I find it pretty irrelevant now.1 -
Whilst I, like many, won't disagree, it's not impossible for Dobson to be our Bielik, McGrandles our Cullen and either Payne or Fraser our Aribo. Our midfield depth is certainly better than that season, and let's not forget we only really had Taylor up top. I'm concerned about Stockley being suitable for the formation and the biggest concern for me is the defence to be honest. If we had Bauer, Sarr and Dijksteel I'd be a lot more confident.supaclive said:I'm all for optimism but many of our shit show of last year started last week's game and, in my opinion nobody in this squad comes anywhere near Aribo, Cullen or Bielek.....0 -
Fuck sakeaddick1956 said:
Aribo would disappear for a while in many games..Bielik was Mr inconsistent especially early on and Cullen got a couple of injuries one long term.Scoham said:
Many of the players who were seen as “too good for League 1” became more highly rated as the season went on.sam3110 said:
I think it's also a case of looking at the squad as a whole and thinking they aren't up to much. Sure having honest and experienced pros knocking around the squad is better than having a bunch of kids, but none of them are exciting players, people who look a level above the league we're in, and that's what feels different compared to the promotion seasons IMOChunes said:To those saying they hope we don't get left behind, in our promotion season we lost the opening game to Sunderland and we couldn't even name a full bench. Just five of the available seven, those being Ajose, Sarr, AMB, Maloney (I don't even remember him) and Hackett-Fairchild.
And we went on to get promoted.
What's strange is that I've just been back through every season since then and I can't find a stronger, fuller squad than the one we've got now. (Find me another season where we've got players like MacGilvray, Payne, Kirk, McGrandles, Gilbey & Lavelle on the BENCH on day one). And yet this board is more overwhelmingly negative than it's ever been. I can only put it down to some kind of collective emotional trauma we've all experienced because objectively we are better placed than we have been in the past five years, including the season we got promoted.
The season won't live or die based on whether we do our final business on deadline day or not, we are already further ahead than we've been in a long time.
I remember players like Aribo and Bielik being inconsistent early on. Bielik was even subbed off at half time in one game after he kept giving the ball away and Aribo wasn’t the goal threat he became.
We don’t have players who obviously stand out like they did but it’s too early to be sure no one will progress to that point. Late signings coming in could add real quality too as Yann, Bielik and Cullen did.6 -
So much in this post I want to disagree with, but 2 that stand out are :Chunes said:To those saying they hope we don't get left behind, in our promotion season we lost the opening game to Sunderland and we couldn't even name a full bench. Just five of the available seven, those being Ajose, Sarr, AMB, Maloney (I don't even remember him) and Hackett-Fairchild.
And we went on to get promoted.
What's strange is that I've just been back through every season since then and I can't find a stronger, fuller squad than the one we've got now. (Find me another season where we've got players like MacGilvray, Payne, Kirk, McGrandles, Gilbey & Lavelle on the BENCH on day one). And yet this board is more overwhelmingly negative than it's ever been. I can only put it down to some kind of collective emotional trauma we've all experienced because objectively we are better placed than we have been in the past five years, including the season we got promoted.
The season won't live or die based on whether we do our final business on deadline day or not, we are already further ahead than we've been in a long time.
We narrowly lost to Sunderland on the first day of that season and then met them in the PLAY OFFS 9 months later. No one will be meeting Accrington in the play offs this season.
Agree our season wont live or die based on whether we do our final business on deadline day because its already too late. We needed a big rebuild this summer & to do it BEFORE the season started. 2 games in & we still dont have a left footed left back & only 3 recognised strikers - 1 of which made his debut (and yes, scored) on Saturday & 1 is so injury prone that he is not fit enough to start the season.
And this season was going to be different than last. Yeah right.
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So does everyone, it's called half-time mate.addick1956 said:
Aribo would disappear for a while in many games..Bielik was Mr inconsistent especially early on and Cullen got a couple of injuries one long term.Scoham said:
Many of the players who were seen as “too good for League 1” became more highly rated as the season went on.sam3110 said:
I think it's also a case of looking at the squad as a whole and thinking they aren't up to much. Sure having honest and experienced pros knocking around the squad is better than having a bunch of kids, but none of them are exciting players, people who look a level above the league we're in, and that's what feels different compared to the promotion seasons IMOChunes said:To those saying they hope we don't get left behind, in our promotion season we lost the opening game to Sunderland and we couldn't even name a full bench. Just five of the available seven, those being Ajose, Sarr, AMB, Maloney (I don't even remember him) and Hackett-Fairchild.
And we went on to get promoted.
What's strange is that I've just been back through every season since then and I can't find a stronger, fuller squad than the one we've got now. (Find me another season where we've got players like MacGilvray, Payne, Kirk, McGrandles, Gilbey & Lavelle on the BENCH on day one). And yet this board is more overwhelmingly negative than it's ever been. I can only put it down to some kind of collective emotional trauma we've all experienced because objectively we are better placed than we have been in the past five years, including the season we got promoted.
The season won't live or die based on whether we do our final business on deadline day or not, we are already further ahead than we've been in a long time.
I remember players like Aribo and Bielik being inconsistent early on. Bielik was even subbed off at half time in one game after he kept giving the ball away and Aribo wasn’t the goal threat he became.
We don’t have players who obviously stand out like they did but it’s too early to be sure no one will progress to that point. Late signings coming in could add real quality too as Yann, Bielik and Cullen did.25 - Sponsored links:
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I feel like you may have misread my post or skimmed it? It's nothing to do with who our opposition is on the first day, Accrington, Sunderland or whoever else. It was about the readiness of our squad.golfaddick said:
So much in this post I want to disagree with, but 2 that stand out are :Chunes said:To those saying they hope we don't get left behind, in our promotion season we lost the opening game to Sunderland and we couldn't even name a full bench. Just five of the available seven, those being Ajose, Sarr, AMB, Maloney (I don't even remember him) and Hackett-Fairchild.
And we went on to get promoted.
What's strange is that I've just been back through every season since then and I can't find a stronger, fuller squad than the one we've got now. (Find me another season where we've got players like MacGilvray, Payne, Kirk, McGrandles, Gilbey & Lavelle on the BENCH on day one). And yet this board is more overwhelmingly negative than it's ever been. I can only put it down to some kind of collective emotional trauma we've all experienced because objectively we are better placed than we have been in the past five years, including the season we got promoted.
The season won't live or die based on whether we do our final business on deadline day or not, we are already further ahead than we've been in a long time.
We narrowly lost to Sunderland on the first day of that season and then met them in the PLAY OFFS 9 months later. No one will be meeting Accrington in the play offs this season.
Agree our season wont live or die based on whether we do our final business on deadline day because its already too late. We needed a big rebuild this summer & to do it BEFORE the season started. 2 games in & we still dont have a left footed left back & only 3 recognised strikers - 1 of which made his debut (and yes, scored) on Saturday & 1 is so injury prone that he is not fit enough to start the season.
And this season was going to be different than last. Yeah right.
And on the other point you say it's 'too late because we are supposed to have our team before the season starts', and yet I've given the example above where we couldn't even fill the bench on the first day and went on to get promoted.4 -
In which case he is seriously delusionaleaststandmike said:
I do not get the impression we are "hunting for a forward now Leaburn has turned pro, TS has always said a blend of youth and experience and with his goals in the friendlies and a goal on his debut I suspect he is happy with what we have now.LonelyNorthernAddick said:
A good point - I would have kept Washington and Purrington myself. Both areas where we are now hunting for a replacement when the season has already started.blackpool72 said:As with all transfer windows the proof of wheather they have been good or bad will be shown in the results.
I think having a decent clear out was a good thing apart from Washington who I would have kept.
As for the players we have brought in they appear to be better than those who have left.
My main concern is that as things stand we are not good enough for promotion.
So any further signings will have to be very good.1 -
It feels like in previous TS summers we’ve had the budget but our recruitment has been poor. This summer I think we are being a lot smarter with recruitment but I’m not sure the budget is enough to get us up there. I think we’ve improved from last season (not hard!) but not enough to be top 6. Hopefully we can bring in 3 really good players that make the difference but I’m not that confident2
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Aneke?cafcfan1990 said:
Not sure about the position in January, realistically our initial run under Jacko staved off relegation fears and we we'd started too far behind to realistically challenge. We lost at home to Wycombe on New Years Day and we were 14 points off play offs, only the very optimistic thought that would be possible.Cafc43v3r said:
You could say January was a good window because we have Fraser and A&Eneke now but the 4 of them played how many games? We had everything to play for on new years day. We could have got promoted or relegated.cafcfan1990 said:
January was tough because we already had nothing to play for. Fraser was a decent investment and we finally replaced Aneke, with Aneke. Castillo and John were poor admittedly, although the former can be explained, even if not defended, if the rumour about signing him for Aneke is true.Cafc43v3r said:
We are miles ahead of where we were last summer and the two previous ones at this level.Chunes said:To those saying they hope we don't get left behind, in our promotion season we lost the opening game to Sunderland and we couldn't even name a full bench. Just five of the available seven, those being Ajose, Sarr, AMB, Maloney (I don't even remember him) and Hackett-Fairchild.
And we went on to get promoted.
What's strange is that I've just been back through every season since then and I can't find a stronger, fuller squad than the one we've got now. (Find me another season where we've got players like MacGilvray, Payne, Kirk, McGrandles, Gilbey & Lavelle on the BENCH on day one). And yet this board is more overwhelmingly negative than it's ever been. I can only put it down to some kind of collective emotional trauma we've all experienced because objectively we are better placed than we have been in the past five years, including the season we got promoted.
The season won't live or die based on whether we do our final business on deadline day or not, we are already further ahead than we've been in a long time.
In 18/19 we signed a few including Bielik and Cullen after the season started. In the other two seasons we didn't get promoted, we didn't even finish in the top half last season. So we are better off than last season isn't really a high bench mark.
I don't think anyone thinks we won't sign some more people before the window slams shut. I don't think anyone thinks we have got enough to be promotion challengers now.
The big question is will we get a couple of Cullen and Bielik level signings or more Lee's and Leko's?
Last season I was convinced, even after 3 or 4 games that we would get it right. We didn't. We got it wrong in January. Why should I believe we will get it right this time?
You could also say that last summer was a good window because Clare has reinvented himself as a defender, CBT got fit about February and Kirk might come good. Didn't help us at the time though.
Fraser was an investment because he was a decent, permanent signing. The rest was pretty poor but ultimately didn't really contribute to last season's failure nor will it determine how we do this season so I find it pretty irrelevant now.0 -
I wouldn't have signed him back but he needed replacing. So whilst I'm glad we addressed the gap, I would have gone elsewhere but no idea who.Cafc43v3r said:
Aneke?cafcfan1990 said:
Not sure about the position in January, realistically our initial run under Jacko staved off relegation fears and we we'd started too far behind to realistically challenge. We lost at home to Wycombe on New Years Day and we were 14 points off play offs, only the very optimistic thought that would be possible.Cafc43v3r said:
You could say January was a good window because we have Fraser and A&Eneke now but the 4 of them played how many games? We had everything to play for on new years day. We could have got promoted or relegated.cafcfan1990 said:
January was tough because we already had nothing to play for. Fraser was a decent investment and we finally replaced Aneke, with Aneke. Castillo and John were poor admittedly, although the former can be explained, even if not defended, if the rumour about signing him for Aneke is true.Cafc43v3r said:
We are miles ahead of where we were last summer and the two previous ones at this level.Chunes said:To those saying they hope we don't get left behind, in our promotion season we lost the opening game to Sunderland and we couldn't even name a full bench. Just five of the available seven, those being Ajose, Sarr, AMB, Maloney (I don't even remember him) and Hackett-Fairchild.
And we went on to get promoted.
What's strange is that I've just been back through every season since then and I can't find a stronger, fuller squad than the one we've got now. (Find me another season where we've got players like MacGilvray, Payne, Kirk, McGrandles, Gilbey & Lavelle on the BENCH on day one). And yet this board is more overwhelmingly negative than it's ever been. I can only put it down to some kind of collective emotional trauma we've all experienced because objectively we are better placed than we have been in the past five years, including the season we got promoted.
The season won't live or die based on whether we do our final business on deadline day or not, we are already further ahead than we've been in a long time.
In 18/19 we signed a few including Bielik and Cullen after the season started. In the other two seasons we didn't get promoted, we didn't even finish in the top half last season. So we are better off than last season isn't really a high bench mark.
I don't think anyone thinks we won't sign some more people before the window slams shut. I don't think anyone thinks we have got enough to be promotion challengers now.
The big question is will we get a couple of Cullen and Bielik level signings or more Lee's and Leko's?
Last season I was convinced, even after 3 or 4 games that we would get it right. We didn't. We got it wrong in January. Why should I believe we will get it right this time?
You could also say that last summer was a good window because Clare has reinvented himself as a defender, CBT got fit about February and Kirk might come good. Didn't help us at the time though.
Fraser was an investment because he was a decent, permanent signing. The rest was pretty poor but ultimately didn't really contribute to last season's failure nor will it determine how we do this season so I find it pretty irrelevant now.1 -
I'd agree with this. Hindsight is what brings me to say it but I just so wish we could have appointed someone like Garner and gone into last summer with this type of manager in place. Bit smarter last summer and even if we hadn't have gone up we might have had a decent core squad of 14/15 entering this summer's window.NabySarr said:It feels like in previous TS summers we’ve had the budget but our recruitment has been poor. This summer I think we are being a lot smarter with recruitment but I’m not sure the budget is enough to get us up there. I think we’ve improved from last season (not hard!) but not enough to be top 6. Hopefully we can bring in 3 really good players that make the difference but I’m not that confident2 -
addick1956 said:
Aribo would disappear for a while in many games..Bielik was Mr inconsistent especially early on and Cullen got a couple of injuries one long term.Scoham said:
Many of the players who were seen as “too good for League 1” became more highly rated as the season went on.sam3110 said:
I think it's also a case of looking at the squad as a whole and thinking they aren't up to much. Sure having honest and experienced pros knocking around the squad is better than having a bunch of kids, but none of them are exciting players, people who look a level above the league we're in, and that's what feels different compared to the promotion seasons IMOChunes said:To those saying they hope we don't get left behind, in our promotion season we lost the opening game to Sunderland and we couldn't even name a full bench. Just five of the available seven, those being Ajose, Sarr, AMB, Maloney (I don't even remember him) and Hackett-Fairchild.
And we went on to get promoted.
What's strange is that I've just been back through every season since then and I can't find a stronger, fuller squad than the one we've got now. (Find me another season where we've got players like MacGilvray, Payne, Kirk, McGrandles, Gilbey & Lavelle on the BENCH on day one). And yet this board is more overwhelmingly negative than it's ever been. I can only put it down to some kind of collective emotional trauma we've all experienced because objectively we are better placed than we have been in the past five years, including the season we got promoted.
The season won't live or die based on whether we do our final business on deadline day or not, we are already further ahead than we've been in a long time.
I remember players like Aribo and Bielik being inconsistent early on. Bielik was even subbed off at half time in one game after he kept giving the ball away and Aribo wasn’t the goal threat he became.
We don’t have players who obviously stand out like they did but it’s too early to be sure no one will progress to that point. Late signings coming in could add real quality too as Yann, Bielik and Cullen did.
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Do you actually know anything about football? Unreal commentaddick1956 said:
Aribo would disappear for a while in many games..Bielik was Mr inconsistent especially early on and Cullen got a couple of injuries one long term.Scoham said:
Many of the players who were seen as “too good for League 1” became more highly rated as the season went on.sam3110 said:
I think it's also a case of looking at the squad as a whole and thinking they aren't up to much. Sure having honest and experienced pros knocking around the squad is better than having a bunch of kids, but none of them are exciting players, people who look a level above the league we're in, and that's what feels different compared to the promotion seasons IMOChunes said:To those saying they hope we don't get left behind, in our promotion season we lost the opening game to Sunderland and we couldn't even name a full bench. Just five of the available seven, those being Ajose, Sarr, AMB, Maloney (I don't even remember him) and Hackett-Fairchild.
And we went on to get promoted.
What's strange is that I've just been back through every season since then and I can't find a stronger, fuller squad than the one we've got now. (Find me another season where we've got players like MacGilvray, Payne, Kirk, McGrandles, Gilbey & Lavelle on the BENCH on day one). And yet this board is more overwhelmingly negative than it's ever been. I can only put it down to some kind of collective emotional trauma we've all experienced because objectively we are better placed than we have been in the past five years, including the season we got promoted.
The season won't live or die based on whether we do our final business on deadline day or not, we are already further ahead than we've been in a long time.
I remember players like Aribo and Bielik being inconsistent early on. Bielik was even subbed off at half time in one game after he kept giving the ball away and Aribo wasn’t the goal threat he became.
We don’t have players who obviously stand out like they did but it’s too early to be sure no one will progress to that point. Late signings coming in could add real quality too as Yann, Bielik and Cullen did.5 -
i think this is a fair summary - bring 3 top signings in before the window closes and i will view things differently and think that we have been more selective as to how and where our budget has been spent - if we don't then i will think the strategy has always been to shoestring it with a manager who knows a lot of lower division players who might just be able to conjure something out of not a lot - we enquired about Lewis Bate again this window but were told the figures and said he was out of our price bracket - he's now at Oxford so either we either only valued him at a certain amount or we are being outgunned by the likes of Oxford.NabySarr said:It feels like in previous TS summers we’ve had the budget but our recruitment has been poor. This summer I think we are being a lot smarter with recruitment but I’m not sure the budget is enough to get us up there. I think we’ve improved from last season (not hard!) but not enough to be top 6. Hopefully we can bring in 3 really good players that make the difference but I’m not that confident2 -
It’s a fuller squad than on the opening day compared with the last arguably 15 seasons . Whether it is a good squad remains to be seen.Chunes said:To those saying they hope we don't get left behind, in our promotion season we lost the opening game to Sunderland and we couldn't even name a full bench. Just five of the available seven, those being Ajose, Sarr, AMB, Maloney (I don't even remember him) and Hackett-Fairchild.
And we went on to get promoted.
What's strange is that I've just been back through every season since then and I can't find a stronger, fuller squad than the one we've got now. (Find me another season where we've got players like MacGilvray, Payne, Kirk, McGrandles, Gilbey & Lavelle on the BENCH on day one). And yet this board is more overwhelmingly negative than it's ever been. I can only put it down to some kind of collective emotional trauma we've all experienced because objectively we are better placed than we have been in the past five years, including the season we got promoted.
The season won't live or die based on whether we do our final business on deadline day or not, we are already further ahead than we've been in a long time.As an aside , I wonder if our lack fo use of John and Castillo (and Burstow) will have done us any favours with the loan market from premier league clubs .1 - Sponsored links:
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I was surprised as I’d assumed we’d be in for Bate. I think he’ll be one of the best midfielders in this division. Definitely a cut above Morgan from what I’ve seen.DOUCHER said:
i think this is a fair summary - bring 3 top signings in before the window closes and i will view things differently and think that we have been more selective as to how and where our budget has been spent - if we don't then i will think the strategy has always been to shoestring it with a manager who knows a lot of lower division players who might just be able to conjure something out of not a lot - we enquired about Lewis Bate again this window but were told the figures and said he was out of our price bracket - he's now at Oxford so either we either only valued him at a certain amount or we are being outgunned by the likes of Oxford.NabySarr said:It feels like in previous TS summers we’ve had the budget but our recruitment has been poor. This summer I think we are being a lot smarter with recruitment but I’m not sure the budget is enough to get us up there. I think we’ve improved from last season (not hard!) but not enough to be top 6. Hopefully we can bring in 3 really good players that make the difference but I’m not that confident
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I don’t mind being outgunned for a permanent signing with the fee and wages, but a loan is a bit of a concern. Having said that, at the same time it’s quite disgusting that the bigger clubs can demand fees for their loan players. Bad enough they can hoover the talent but then profit from other clubs helping develop them leaves a sour taste. Personally I don’t think league 1,2 and maybe even champ clubs should have to pay for the loans.DOUCHER said:
i think this is a fair summary - bring 3 top signings in before the window closes and i will view things differently and think that we have been more selective as to how and where our budget has been spent - if we don't then i will think the strategy has always been to shoestring it with a manager who knows a lot of lower division players who might just be able to conjure something out of not a lot - we enquired about Lewis Bate again this window but were told the figures and said he was out of our price bracket - he's now at Oxford so either we either only valued him at a certain amount or we are being outgunned by the likes of Oxford.NabySarr said:It feels like in previous TS summers we’ve had the budget but our recruitment has been poor. This summer I think we are being a lot smarter with recruitment but I’m not sure the budget is enough to get us up there. I think we’ve improved from last season (not hard!) but not enough to be top 6. Hopefully we can bring in 3 really good players that make the difference but I’m not that confident
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As @oggy red posted above we picked up 5 points from our first 5 games in that promotion season including... A 1-1 draw away at Accrington in our third match.golfaddick said:
So much in this post I want to disagree with, but 2 that stand out are :Chunes said:To those saying they hope we don't get left behind, in our promotion season we lost the opening game to Sunderland and we couldn't even name a full bench. Just five of the available seven, those being Ajose, Sarr, AMB, Maloney (I don't even remember him) and Hackett-Fairchild.
And we went on to get promoted.
What's strange is that I've just been back through every season since then and I can't find a stronger, fuller squad than the one we've got now. (Find me another season where we've got players like MacGilvray, Payne, Kirk, McGrandles, Gilbey & Lavelle on the BENCH on day one). And yet this board is more overwhelmingly negative than it's ever been. I can only put it down to some kind of collective emotional trauma we've all experienced because objectively we are better placed than we have been in the past five years, including the season we got promoted.
The season won't live or die based on whether we do our final business on deadline day or not, we are already further ahead than we've been in a long time.
We narrowly lost to Sunderland on the first day of that season and then met them in the PLAY OFFS 9 months later. No one will be meeting Accrington in the play offs this season.
Agree our season wont live or die based on whether we do our final business on deadline day because its already too late. We needed a big rebuild this summer & to do it BEFORE the season started. 2 games in & we still dont have a left footed left back & only 3 recognised strikers - 1 of which made his debut (and yes, scored) on Saturday & 1 is so injury prone that he is not fit enough to start the season.
And this season was going to be different than last. Yeah right.1 -
But as everyone on here agrees, the 18/19 squad had better players £ for £ than our current squad. Taylor for Stockley, Grant for Aneke, Aribo for Gilbey/Fraser, Cullen & Biliek for Dobson & Magrandells. OK, we couldn't fill the bench that day but that was under RD and is a pretty low bar to start with !Chunes said:
I feel like you may have misread my post or skimmed it? It's nothing to do with who our opposition is on the first day, Accrington, Sunderland or whoever else. It was about the readiness of our squad.golfaddick said:
So much in this post I want to disagree with, but 2 that stand out are :Chunes said:To those saying they hope we don't get left behind, in our promotion season we lost the opening game to Sunderland and we couldn't even name a full bench. Just five of the available seven, those being Ajose, Sarr, AMB, Maloney (I don't even remember him) and Hackett-Fairchild.
And we went on to get promoted.
What's strange is that I've just been back through every season since then and I can't find a stronger, fuller squad than the one we've got now. (Find me another season where we've got players like MacGilvray, Payne, Kirk, McGrandles, Gilbey & Lavelle on the BENCH on day one). And yet this board is more overwhelmingly negative than it's ever been. I can only put it down to some kind of collective emotional trauma we've all experienced because objectively we are better placed than we have been in the past five years, including the season we got promoted.
The season won't live or die based on whether we do our final business on deadline day or not, we are already further ahead than we've been in a long time.
We narrowly lost to Sunderland on the first day of that season and then met them in the PLAY OFFS 9 months later. No one will be meeting Accrington in the play offs this season.
Agree our season wont live or die based on whether we do our final business on deadline day because its already too late. We needed a big rebuild this summer & to do it BEFORE the season started. 2 games in & we still dont have a left footed left back & only 3 recognised strikers - 1 of which made his debut (and yes, scored) on Saturday & 1 is so injury prone that he is not fit enough to start the season.
And this season was going to be different than last. Yeah right.
And on the other point you say it's 'too late because we are supposed to have our team before the season starts', and yet I've given the example above where we couldn't even fill the bench on the first day and went on to get promoted.
I still contest that although we have brought in a number of players it was still not enough at 30th July & the squad is not balanced enough to maintain a top 6 challenge. Yes, we might bring in 1 or 2 by Sept 1st but they are very likely going to be loans and unless 1 is JRS then expect to underwelmed by the likes of John, Smith, Smyth, Castillo, Levitt, Arter.....2 -
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But as everyone on here agrees, the 18/19 squad had better players £ for £ than our current squad. Taylor for Stockley, Grant for Aneke, Aribo for Gilbey/Fraser, Cullen & Biliek for Dobson & Magrandells. OK, we couldn't fill the bench that day but that was under RD and is a pretty low bar to start with !Chunes said:
I feel like you may have misread my post or skimmed it? It's nothing to do with who our opposition is on the first day, Accrington, Sunderland or whoever else. It was about the readiness of our squad.golfaddick said:
So much in this post I want to disagree with, but 2 that stand out are :Chunes said:To those saying they hope we don't get left behind, in our promotion season we lost the opening game to Sunderland and we couldn't even name a full bench. Just five of the available seven, those being Ajose, Sarr, AMB, Maloney (I don't even remember him) and Hackett-Fairchild.
And we went on to get promoted.
What's strange is that I've just been back through every season since then and I can't find a stronger, fuller squad than the one we've got now. (Find me another season where we've got players like MacGilvray, Payne, Kirk, McGrandles, Gilbey & Lavelle on the BENCH on day one). And yet this board is more overwhelmingly negative than it's ever been. I can only put it down to some kind of collective emotional trauma we've all experienced because objectively we are better placed than we have been in the past five years, including the season we got promoted.
The season won't live or die based on whether we do our final business on deadline day or not, we are already further ahead than we've been in a long time.
We narrowly lost to Sunderland on the first day of that season and then met them in the PLAY OFFS 9 months later. No one will be meeting Accrington in the play offs this season.
Agree our season wont live or die based on whether we do our final business on deadline day because its already too late. We needed a big rebuild this summer & to do it BEFORE the season started. 2 games in & we still dont have a left footed left back & only 3 recognised strikers - 1 of which made his debut (and yes, scored) on Saturday & 1 is so injury prone that he is not fit enough to start the season.
And this season was going to be different than last. Yeah right.
And on the other point you say it's 'too late because we are supposed to have our team before the season starts', and yet I've given the example above where we couldn't even fill the bench on the first day and went on to get promoted.
I still contest that although we have brought in a number of players it was still not enough at 30th July & the squad is not balanced enough to maintain a top 6 challenge. Yes, we might bring in 1 or 2 by Sept 1st but they are very likely going to be loans and unless 1 is JRS then expect to underwelmed by the likes of John, Smith, Smyth, Castillo, Levitt, Arter.....That's a different point to the one you just made (and the one my post made) but OK.
I was trying to make a simple point and I'll stick with it. We have the most 'ready' squad that we've had in recent memory at this stage. If we sign the remaining players on deadline day, that won't decide our season. The quality will, I'll agree with that part. (I'm surprised that you do, considering I always read you saying we have to have everyone in by X day or else).
If I go back and look for your pre-season posts in 2018, will I find you being positive about the season ahead?3 -
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That Peterborough game. We should have had a penalty. It was denied..then Posh clear to an player who races away and passes to a player who was offside. They score. Bowyer got into trouble as he went after the ref on the pitch.Oggy Red said:There's been some comparison with our preparation of the 2018/19 promotion season.
You know, we began that season understrength and results reflected it.
Who remembers that in the entire month of August 2018, 5 League matches were played ...... yielding just 5 points.
A Sunderland L ... 1-2
H Shrewsbury W... 2-1
A Accrington D... 1-1
H Posh ......... L ... 0-1
A Fleetwood. D... 0-0
Just 1 win in our first 5 matches, an average of a paltry single point agame ..... that form over the course of the season would have resulted in certain relegation.
Maybe we should have sacked Lee Bowyer!
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Just the way it is but unless the parent club were paying a portion, and knowing his deal at Leeds, he would comfortably be on - I assume - more than any player at Charlton - surprised he didn’t end up in the championship but style of play and location would have been a factorcafcfan1990 said:
I don’t mind being outgunned for a permanent signing with the fee and wages, but a loan is a bit of a concern. Having said that, at the same time it’s quite disgusting that the bigger clubs can demand fees for their loan players. Bad enough they can hoover the talent but then profit from other clubs helping develop them leaves a sour taste. Personally I don’t think league 1,2 and maybe even champ clubs should have to pay for the loans.DOUCHER said:
i think this is a fair summary - bring 3 top signings in before the window closes and i will view things differently and think that we have been more selective as to how and where our budget has been spent - if we don't then i will think the strategy has always been to shoestring it with a manager who knows a lot of lower division players who might just be able to conjure something out of not a lot - we enquired about Lewis Bate again this window but were told the figures and said he was out of our price bracket - he's now at Oxford so either we either only valued him at a certain amount or we are being outgunned by the likes of Oxford.NabySarr said:It feels like in previous TS summers we’ve had the budget but our recruitment has been poor. This summer I think we are being a lot smarter with recruitment but I’m not sure the budget is enough to get us up there. I think we’ve improved from last season (not hard!) but not enough to be top 6. Hopefully we can bring in 3 really good players that make the difference but I’m not that confident
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This is the beginning of my 58th season of watching the Addicks. Over this time I have developed a 6th sense about how we are likely to fare in the upcoming season and in the past 20 years I have rarely been wrong. When I have sensed an upturn in our fortunes I have invariably placed a bet for the season (Outright Winners, Promotion or both). I don't bet at any other time. When I fear a disappointing season ahead I simply don't place a bet. I did not bet in the last two seasons. However, this season I have placed two bets (£50 @ 28-1 Outright Winners and £50 @ 7-1 Promotion). Over the past 15 years I'm up by c£2,600. Who knows how this season will pan out, but I'm certainly not as negative as some and I have put my money where my mouth is. I'm quietly confident that this will turn out to be a much better season than some here fear.
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Just a genuinely pleasant post to read. With the way we're set up and the squad we have it'll either come together or it won't. All we have in the meantime is hope. Fingers crossed that you're quids in by the end of the season.DONVANVLIET said:This is the beginning of my 58th season of watching the Addicks. Over this time I have developed a 6th sense about how we are likely to fare in the upcoming season and in the past 20 years I have rarely been wrong. When I have sensed an upturn in our fortunes I have invariably placed a bet for the season (Outright Winners, Promotion or both). I don't bet at any other time. When I fear a disappointing season ahead I simply don't place a bet. I did not bet in the last two seasons. However, this season I have placed two bets (£50 @ 28-1 Outright Winners and £50 @ 7-1 Promotion). Over the past 15 years I'm up by c£2,600. Who knows how this season will pan out, but I'm certainly not as negative as some and I have put my money where my mouth is. I'm quietly confident that this will turn out to be a much better season than some here fear.
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