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Summer 2022 transfer rumours (Gilbey loan confirmed p513, a signing falls through last minute p541)
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Budgets these days are based on a % of the clubs turnover aren't they?FAVADDICK said:
Thomas will tell you what ever you want to here, doesn't mean it's true, there's no way we have the 4th biggest budget, not with derby, Sheffield Wednesday, Barnsley, Ipswich, Peterborough, Wycombe, Bolton and Portsmouth, so I would imagine that another lieHenry Irving said:
"Run and ask him"???FAVADDICK said:
Why do you feel the need to run and ask him things like this, it's pretty sad to be honestchev said:Spoke to ts we have 4th biggest budget in league 1
People have been debating where our budget sits so someone asked the owner who said 4th.
That sounds about right to me but it depends on your view on TS (and Chev) and his honesty.
Not sure why it's "sad" to add info to the debate.
Derby, Sheff Weds, Ipswich - definitely have bigger budgets than us.
Bolton & Pompey i'd expect to be pretty similar to us.
Barnsley, Peterborough, Wycombe - smaller budgets than us. Wycombe for example didn't even get 6k for their opening home game.
So TS saying we have the 4th highest budget probably isn't as stupid as it sounds.0 -
Not necessarily. Not if you've got an owner willing to pile cash in.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
Budgets these days are based on a % of the clubs turnover aren't they?FAVADDICK said:
Thomas will tell you what ever you want to here, doesn't mean it's true, there's no way we have the 4th biggest budget, not with derby, Sheffield Wednesday, Barnsley, Ipswich, Peterborough, Wycombe, Bolton and Portsmouth, so I would imagine that another lieHenry Irving said:
"Run and ask him"???FAVADDICK said:
Why do you feel the need to run and ask him things like this, it's pretty sad to be honestchev said:Spoke to ts we have 4th biggest budget in league 1
People have been debating where our budget sits so someone asked the owner who said 4th.
That sounds about right to me but it depends on your view on TS (and Chev) and his honesty.
Not sure why it's "sad" to add info to the debate.
Derby, Sheff Weds, Ipswich - definitely have bigger budgets than us.
Bolton & Pompey i'd expect to be pretty similar to us.
Barnsley, Peterborough, Wycombe - smaller budgets than us. Wycombe for example didn't even get 6k for their opening home game.
So TS saying we have the 4th highest budget probably isn't as stupid as it sounds.0 -
You're the master of knowing a general point is not undermined by a minor exception, but posting it anyway...Cafc43v3r said:
Roland paid a fee and a long term contract with it in his last window he owned us.....Chunes said:I still remember when he first started signing players for fees and putting people on long-term contracts and it felt brilliant, since Roland hadn't done that in forever.
So why is it now not enough? And what will be enough?
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I don't see how you can rank budgets for the season, when the transfer window isn't closed yet anyway. If a club starts this month badly, or has a glut of injuries the owner may pump some more money in for some last minute transfers that weren't expected. A club may sell a highly paid players on deadline day, and fail to replace him etc
That's even more the case in January, which is when the panic buys really happen. Even before the modern windows, owners would often take a punt on promotion, e.g. when we brought in Mills and Youds late in the 1997/98 season, with money we didn't really have.1 -
carly burn said:Can someone point me in the direction of the official league one budget website?
Thought not.
These are a couple of years out of date but I suspect the numbers haven't changed that much. Relatively.0 -
Get rid of JFC and Gilbey and spend the wages on Naby Sarr. It's the only way.7
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So, does anyone think we’ll sign new players this week? 🤔0
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No_MrDick said:So, does anyone think we’ll sign new players this week? 🤔0 -
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84 new posts. Are they all about whether we’re 6th or 7th biggest budget in the league?4
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85 now 😂Valley11 said:84 new posts. Are they all about whether we’re 6th or 7th biggest budget in the league?6 -
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Why can’t Zynex sponsor us?Smithy said:Sheffield Wednesday are sponsored by their owners company so will have a significantly inflated income through that.
Not sure if this is a serious question but Zynex is a publicly listed company and TS will need to run it for the best benefit of the company and it's shareholders (assuming US regulation is similar to UK). I can't see why a Sponsorship deal with a smallish UK football team with no presence in the States would be considered as such so he would end up in serious hot water.
Sheff Weds was different as their Sponsor was a privately owned company and the only shareholder to report to was the owner of Sheff Weds too.
The more pertinent question would be why, if TS has stated ambitions of PL and Champions League in short order would he not equity roll a bigger spend to get us out of this division quickly given, comparatively to the Championship, it is the easier division to be promoted from budget wise. Then t/o caps would be essentially irrelevant.2 -
I tried to change the subject. But this was the only enthusiastic response I got ..Valley11 said:84 new posts. Are they all about whether we’re 6th or 7th biggest budget in the league?
Oh well … 🤷♂️golfaddick said:
No_MrDick said:So, does anyone think we’ll sign new players this week? 🤔0 -
At Charlton we've had Brian Kinsey, Phil Warman - there's 2 stalwarts at fullback converted from wingers ..... oh dear, I'm giving my age away.Scoham said:
You’d think so, but that doesn’t fit with the idea of attacking full backs.Oggy Red said:
And perhaps he'll be a CB who can also comfortably cover at LB?Scoham said:
Garner mentioned bringing in one or two attacking options, I don’t think he confirmed we’re after a full back? I think a CB is more likely given we only have three senior players there.Bostonaddick said:Anyway back to talking about transfers instead of budgets. We know we are looking to upgrade at wide forward/winger and fullback, my biggest fear is that we aren’t looking at another center half. I just don’t think some combination of innis, O’Connell and Lavelle is good enough to get promoted.
Clayden may well play more than many expect, and like Clare we shouldn’t be fixed to the idea that his best position is in midfield. It’s not uncommon for wingers to convert to full back.
Deary me, I nearly forgot Paul Smyth in that 4-4 draw with Rochdale!
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There's also perhaps DJ, although principally right footed, also showed well enough defensively last season, even a few instances at LWB.Scoham said:
You’d think so, but that doesn’t fit with the idea of attacking full backs.Oggy Red said:
And perhaps he'll be a CB who can also comfortably cover at LB?Scoham said:
Garner mentioned bringing in one or two attacking options, I don’t think he confirmed we’re after a full back? I think a CB is more likely given we only have three senior players there.Bostonaddick said:Anyway back to talking about transfers instead of budgets. We know we are looking to upgrade at wide forward/winger and fullback, my biggest fear is that we aren’t looking at another center half. I just don’t think some combination of innis, O’Connell and Lavelle is good enough to get promoted.
Clayden may well play more than many expect, and like Clare we shouldn’t be fixed to the idea that his best position is in midfield. It’s not uncommon for wingers to convert to full back.
Maybe only in the absence of another choice though.
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Both wrong_MrDick said:
I tried to change the subject. But this was the only enthusiastic response I got ..Valley11 said:84 new posts. Are they all about whether we’re 6th or 7th biggest budget in the league?
Oh well … 🤷♂️golfaddick said:
No_MrDick said:So, does anyone think we’ll sign new players this week? 🤔0 -
Hard to say really. Garner says in the press that we are very close to getting a couple more in. That suggests to me that they could be today if everything goes right, could be next week, could be on the deadline or could be never if it all falls apart._MrDick said:So, does anyone think we’ll sign new players this week? 🤔
If we’re waiting on the green light from Gallen it could be a number of things: agents doing last minute haggling, other clubs not letting go of players without replacing first, us needing to offload a body before bringing another in…1 -
1 will come in this week, probably Rak-Sakyi0
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Was speaking to my Peterborough supporting mate the other day. He reckons they don’t pay very high wages compared to the competition but some players accept it because the they have a reputation of moving players on to much bigger clubs. They also pay big fees for strikers and forwards. They regularly pay in excess of £1m but usually move them on for a sizeable profit. My mate reckons they lose roughly about the same amount as Charlton do a year.Rothko said:Suspect we're in the top 6, but I suspect the likes of Derby, Wednesday and Ipswich are spending big, Peterborough I'm not sure, always feel they spend well, but sensibly.
Pompey and Barnsley I suspect we're in the ballpark, and Wycombe have spent, but not massively, and are heavily reliant on their owners pumping the cash in.
But it's a budget that should allow us to be competitive in this league0 - Sponsored links:
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They don't lose anywhere near what we do. They don't have the over heads we do.SouthLincsAddick said:
Was speaking to my Peterborough supporting mate the other day. He reckons they don’t pay very high wages compared to the competition but some players accept it because the they have a reputation of moving players on to much bigger clubs. They also pay big fees for strikers and forwards. They regularly pay in excess of £1m but usually move them on for a sizeable profit. My mate reckons they lose roughly about the same amount as Charlton do a year.Rothko said:Suspect we're in the top 6, but I suspect the likes of Derby, Wednesday and Ipswich are spending big, Peterborough I'm not sure, always feel they spend well, but sensibly.
Pompey and Barnsley I suspect we're in the ballpark, and Wycombe have spent, but not massively, and are heavily reliant on their owners pumping the cash in.
But it's a budget that should allow us to be competitive in this league
They have nailed the speculate to accumulate model though.2 -
Leuth said:Oggy Red said:
And perhaps he'll be a CB who can also comfortably cover at LB?Scoham said:
Garner mentioned bringing in one or two attacking options, I don’t think he confirmed we’re after a full back? I think a CB is more likely given we only have three senior players there.Bostonaddick said:Anyway back to talking about transfers instead of budgets. We know we are looking to upgrade at wide forward/winger and fullback, my biggest fear is that we aren’t looking at another center half. I just don’t think some combination of innis, O’Connell and Lavelle is good enough to get promoted.
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This one wouldn’t be as good on the ball but might turn quickerEugenesAxe said:Leuth said:Oggy Red said:
And perhaps he'll be a CB who can also comfortably cover at LB?Scoham said:
Garner mentioned bringing in one or two attacking options, I don’t think he confirmed we’re after a full back? I think a CB is more likely given we only have three senior players there.Bostonaddick said:Anyway back to talking about transfers instead of budgets. We know we are looking to upgrade at wide forward/winger and fullback, my biggest fear is that we aren’t looking at another center half. I just don’t think some combination of innis, O’Connell and Lavelle is good enough to get promoted. 1 -
Does it cover the undisclosed deals because a vast amount of transfers fall into this bracket now.Cafc43v3r said:
www.league1budgets.co.ukcarly burn said:Can someone point me in the direction of the official league one budget website?
Thought not.
Seriously though you can look at the accounts on Companies House Web site and they will give you a good idea.0 -
A clubs accounts have to cover all income whether undisclosed or not. The issue is the money is usually spread over a period of time and accounts can normally only be seen a year in arrears at best.eaststandmike said:
Does it cover the undisclosed deals because a vast amount of transfers fall into this bracket now.Cafc43v3r said:
www.league1budgets.co.ukcarly burn said:Can someone point me in the direction of the official league one budget website?
Thought not.
Seriously though you can look at the accounts on Companies House Web site and they will give you a good idea.0 -
Yes but the biggest bench mark is wages.eaststandmike said:
Does it cover the undisclosed deals because a vast amount of transfers fall into this bracket now.Cafc43v3r said:
www.league1budgets.co.ukcarly burn said:Can someone point me in the direction of the official league one budget website?
Thought not.
Seriously though you can look at the accounts on Companies House Web site and they will give you a good idea.0 -
You said the line!wmcf123 said:
This one wouldn’t be as good on the ball but might turn quickerEugenesAxe said:Leuth said:Oggy Red said:
And perhaps he'll be a CB who can also comfortably cover at LB?Scoham said:
Garner mentioned bringing in one or two attacking options, I don’t think he confirmed we’re after a full back? I think a CB is more likely given we only have three senior players there.Bostonaddick said:Anyway back to talking about transfers instead of budgets. We know we are looking to upgrade at wide forward/winger and fullback, my biggest fear is that we aren’t looking at another center half. I just don’t think some combination of innis, O’Connell and Lavelle is good enough to get promoted. 0 -
How do you know he doesn’t…..he has a very experienced person in Steve Gallen who will no doubt be constantly passing on pertinent information.jakecafc said:
How does he even know what other teams budgets are? Chatting bollocks as usual old Tommychev said:Spoke to ts we have 4th biggest budget in league 1
You say he’s talking bollocks as if to slag him off.
All people involved in the football transfer market will say what they think is the best thing to say at any given moment because at the end of the day, it’s a game of poker.
It doesn’t bother me a jot whether he, Gallen and Garner are saying different things…..they are white lies anyway as far as I’m concerned.
Tell me anyone in professional football who openly tells the truth regarding their transfer budget…..I can’t think of one?14 -
Teamwork makes the dream workLeuth said:
You said the line!wmcf123 said:
This one wouldn’t be as good on the ball but might turn quickerEugenesAxe said:Leuth said:Oggy Red said:
And perhaps he'll be a CB who can also comfortably cover at LB?Scoham said:
Garner mentioned bringing in one or two attacking options, I don’t think he confirmed we’re after a full back? I think a CB is more likely given we only have three senior players there.Bostonaddick said:Anyway back to talking about transfers instead of budgets. We know we are looking to upgrade at wide forward/winger and fullback, my biggest fear is that we aren’t looking at another center half. I just don’t think some combination of innis, O’Connell and Lavelle is good enough to get promoted. 2 -
I think we’ll bring in another one by the end of the week.
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