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Summer 2022 transfer rumours (Gilbey loan confirmed p513, a signing falls through last minute p541)

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  • Stu_of_Kunming
    Stu_of_Kunming Posts: 17,117
    Dazzler21 said:
    Stockton is essentially doing a Lyle Taylor to Morcambe, off the back of one good season, and people are still clamouring for him. 
    I don't see him refusing to play in a relegation fight, using covid as an excuse whilst his team mates tried to battle on to the end. 
    Hasn’t he ‘been sick’ for all of their games so far? 
  • Dazzler21 said:
    Stockton is essentially doing a Lyle Taylor to Morcambe, off the back of one good season, and people are still clamouring for him. 
    I don't see him refusing to play in a relegation fight, using covid as an excuse whilst his team mates tried to battle on to the end. 
    Hasn’t he ‘been sick’ for all of their games so far? 
    Played half of them
  • king addick
    king addick Posts: 3,701
    Stockton scored 13 league goals in his first season then 23 in his second, not bad in a relegation threatened team like Morecambe. He is nothing like Ajose in that respect. 

    He may not want to move down south but Kirk has settled in much more since staying with Lavelle so something can be done to help him bed in. 

    Plus, we look like an exciting team to be part of and potentially on the up, so for the sake of his career, why wouldn't consider being part of that. 

  • shirty5
    shirty5 Posts: 19,222
    He’s off to Wrexham 
  • clive
    clive Posts: 19,454
    shirty5 said:
    He’s off to Wrexham 
    Wrong forum.
  • Redhenry
    Redhenry Posts: 5,359
    edited August 2022
    Don't think we have ever been in for him. Just us on here would like him...
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,846
    Stockton is essentially doing a Lyle Taylor to Morcambe, off the back of one good season, and people are still clamouring for him. 

    If he was rated as worth the risk, why has it got to the point that he has had to hand in a transfer request, and it is only Fleetwood who have come in with any sort of tangible bid for him?
    He really isn't, as he is trying to leave during a transfer window. If anything it's more like Scott Parker, but then I'm sure down the years we've signed plenty of players who threw a strop to try and force a move away.

    We don't know how much Morecambe have been asking. Teams might have been making informal enquiries, hearing the price and deciding to hold fire on a bid until Morecambe were quoting a sensible price.
  • mendonca
    mendonca Posts: 9,405
    Out of interest, do you all think we should be targeting a centre forward or somebody who can play in the middle and out wide?
  • LTKapal
    LTKapal Posts: 1,312
    edited August 2022
    Dazzler21 said:
    Stockton is essentially doing a Lyle Taylor to Morcambe, off the back of one good season, and people are still clamouring for him. 
    I don't see him refusing to play in a relegation fight, using covid as an excuse whilst his team mates tried to battle on to the end. 
    Don’t forget the fact he did so while the club was at one of its lowest points.
  • Stu_of_Kunming
    Stu_of_Kunming Posts: 17,117
    Dazzler21 said:
    Stockton is essentially doing a Lyle Taylor to Morcambe, off the back of one good season, and people are still clamouring for him. 
    I don't see him refusing to play in a relegation fight, using covid as an excuse whilst his team mates tried to battle on to the end. 
    Hasn’t he ‘been sick’ for all of their games so far? 
    Played half of them
    Ah ok. 
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  • mendonca said:
    Out of interest, do you all think we should be targeting a centre forward or somebody who can play in the middle and out wide?
    I would say the latter, probably a false 9 type.
  • Re: Stockton - I, for one, will be delighted if we could get him. He's certainly not a Nicky Ajose, who was frequently outmuscled when he joined us, which only went onto damage his self confidence. Altogether he was a lightweight player. Stockton is the antithesis of this. He's strong (he reminds of Lyle Taylor when on the ball ie difficult to dislodge), calm and clever and he knows where the net is. He's also at the perfect stage in his career where his cumulative experience has started to reap rewards. If they could get him I believe it will turn our season from being automatic 'promotion possibles' into 'promotion probables'.
  • Redhenry
    Redhenry Posts: 5,359
    CB for me. Not sure about Lavelle and Innis will probably be injured for a time.
  • mendonca
    mendonca Posts: 9,405
    Lavelle is a good leader but just lacks a few things. I think it's athleticism and dominance. But he was getting into the swing of things, then got injured last season.
  • wmcf123
    wmcf123 Posts: 5,824
    Cafc43v3r said:
    Scoham said:
    here he is….
    Moan about Chuks all you want but don’t you dare slag off Gunter.
    Simon Francis wibble wibble 
    A good example of being a good player despite your views. Or perhaps you are a better judge than , say , Newcastle manager, Eddie Howe.  As you say Wibble wibble 🥸
    I got pelters on here a few years back when I suggested Francis was better than Solly. In fairness I did underestimate Solly a bit but I commented that I liked the fact Francis was taller which may have been responsible for the Charlton Life height test.

    I always thought the errors Francis made was down to him trying to make things happen in a poor team.
    I though Carlton Palmer was better than Xavi, to be fair . 
  • th0rryy
    th0rryy Posts: 360
    mendonca said:
    Out of interest, do you all think we should be targeting a centre forward or somebody who can play in the middle and out wide?
    I would say the latter, probably a false 9 type.
    The cover for Stockley is very light. Arguably, neither Leaburn or Aneke could reliably cover for 3 or 4+ games of 60-90 minutes if Stockley got injured. An experienced striker who can bring people in to play and hopefully chip in with goals is the cover that is needed.

    I already think we have a decent amount of cover on either side of the 3 up top. I count 6 players that could play in those roles (and, given Tuesday night, I now include Leaburn as one of those options). We've got just 2 to cover Stockley, and both come with caveats.
  • th0rryy
    th0rryy Posts: 360
    edited August 2022
    Redhenry said:
    CB for me. Not sure about Lavelle and Innis will probably be injured for a time.
    I like Lavelle - he's more than fine for this level. All our CBs are very much L1 standard and none of them really stand out. I also think that Clare could also perform fine there in a pinch, and whilst not optimal, I think there's midfielders that could slot in at RB. I understand the need for another defender, but I think if we did sign one, I wouldn't want much money spent, as they'd likely just be a squad player. Plus, Elerewe is out on loan and (again, probably not ideal) could be pulled back in January as cover.

    Clean sheets will be determined more by Wollacott than any of them, imho.
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,846
    wmcf123 said:
    Cafc43v3r said:
    Scoham said:
    here he is….
    Moan about Chuks all you want but don’t you dare slag off Gunter.
    Simon Francis wibble wibble 
    A good example of being a good player despite your views. Or perhaps you are a better judge than , say , Newcastle manager, Eddie Howe.  As you say Wibble wibble 🥸
    I got pelters on here a few years back when I suggested Francis was better than Solly. In fairness I did underestimate Solly a bit but I commented that I liked the fact Francis was taller which may have been responsible for the Charlton Life height test.

    I always thought the errors Francis made was down to him trying to make things happen in a poor team.
    I though Carlton Palmer was better than Xavi, to be fair . 
    At basketball certainly!
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,846
    mendonca said:
    Out of interest, do you all think we should be targeting a centre forward or somebody who can play in the middle and out wide?
    A centre forward. With JRS signed and Leaburn better suited for the wider role at the moment, we now have plenty of options in wide positions.
  • DubaiCAFC
    DubaiCAFC Posts: 2,461
    Redhenry said:
    CB for me. Not sure about Lavelle and Innis will probably be injured for a time.
    Lavelle does look like he is running on water
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  • Dazzler21 said:
    Stockton is essentially doing a Lyle Taylor to Morcambe, off the back of one good season, and people are still clamouring for him. 
    I don't see him refusing to play in a relegation fight, using covid as an excuse whilst his team mates tried to battle on to the end. 
    Have a look at the Morcambe reaction to see if they feel he is doing right by them. It does not matter the circumstances he’s still seemingly refusing to play so he can get a move, which is exactly what Taylor did. 

    The points Morcambe could potentially be dropping now because he’s not playing could effect them towards the end of the year - time will tell.

    Garner has spoken extensively in interviews about how he wants the right character in the team. Does this sound like the right sort of character to people?
  • Redhenry
    Redhenry Posts: 5,359
    edited August 2022
    DubaiCAFC said:
    Redhenry said:
    CB for me. Not sure about Lavelle and Innis will probably be injured for a time.
    Lavelle does look like he is running on water
    Not sure who signed him. He's not big, slow and doesn't look comfortable on the ball. This shows even more, now we have O'Connell.
    Probably why we are looking for another.
    Decent squad player in league 1.
  • MarcusH26
    MarcusH26 Posts: 8,034
    Wasn't Lavelle a backup choice after we didn't get Jason Kerr who went to Wigan? Would like a left footed CB that could slide out to LB in an emergency if needed. 
  • DubaiCAFC
    DubaiCAFC Posts: 2,461
    MarcusH26 said:
    Wasn't Lavelle a backup choice after we didn't get Jason Kerr who went to Wigan? Would like a left footed CB that could slide out to LB in an emergency if needed. 
    Yes believe this to be correct, Kerr transfer was on, then off, then back on, then off right at the end.. We did try to get Lavelle earlier in the window for cheaper, but ended up paying a bit more. 

    I think he is a decent player, but nothing outstanding, more of a back-up! 
  • cafcfan1990
    cafcfan1990 Posts: 12,811
    Cannot wait for Chuks to bang some goals in when he is back just to shut 1956 up for a while.
    I cannot wait either but frankly the number of appearances to injuries is almost the same si ce January.  9 appearances  in 6 months and still no idea when he may put a toe over the line. 4 goals in 6 months is no good for a promotion hopeful like us. 

    Others think the same but it is me again you go for. Why ? Do you think 9 games in six months  is OK especially when quite a few were cameos that required me to get out a photo to recognise him.
    Because you just go on and on about it. Everybody gets it, you’re extremely tired at Aneke’s injury issues. Do you really have to repeat it every day? 
    Only because people keep banging on about how effective  he is and when he cines back etc , etc....
    Logic says it will take a miracle for that to happen soon. Besides which when he came back and then got injured in short order I got pelters because I said I expected that. 

    He is not the Messiah and to even get on the bench he needs to be much fitter than now.

    Put simply do you or anyone else on here really  think he can keep up with the pace and exertion of Garner Ball.

    Having said that Bowyer despaired of Morgan bothering if we were under pressure.  This year he seems to be a revelation compared to that Morgan.

    I know others on here think the same so ho and bang on at them instead but please don't  say that the lastv6 or 7 months have revealed a super fit Aneke because bthey haven't  so far.



    That's fine. Aneke divides opinion, let's see how he does when he is back. Until then, if you fancy laying off him for a day or two you might not get so much stick. 
  • meldrew66
    meldrew66 Posts: 2,561
    edited August 2022
    Nothing but pure speculation on my part but it’s weird that there has been no serious links with Stockton from any of the league’s front runners. One season wonder or not, he was good enough last season that teams must be looking at him. I read it that they’re being put off by the price Morecambe are asking but I’d be duty if there have not been lots of enquiries for him.

    Depending how you read Garner’s comments, he alluded that someone needs to shift on their demands for us to sign a striker. 

    We’re at the time in the window where selling clubs start to soften and buying clubs get a bit more urgent. The middle ground will get found on lots of potential negotiations that might have come to a stand still a week or more ago. 

    It might be 2+2=5 but I wouldn’t be shocked if Stockton to us (and a few other teams with promotion ambitions) would fall into that category. 
    I can't help thinking that a striker who knows where the goal, like Stockton has proven to be at a 'small' club, might just score shed loads in the attacking format we played against Plymouth. Assuming we only have to trump Fleetwood's £100k offer, something like £150k feels like a relatively small financial outlay with, potentially, massive gains at stake. For me, the most important consideration with him is whether he is genuinely up for a move down south as we risk another 'Ronnie Schwartz' situation if not.
  • J BLOCK
    J BLOCK Posts: 8,310
    Would love someone like Ryan Tafazolli from Wycombe. CB, left footed, leader. 


  • eaststandmike
    eaststandmike Posts: 14,956
    edited August 2022
    Dazzler21 said:
    Just watch as Gilbey goes to L2 and smashes it. We all get told we should have kept him as he struggles in a newly promoted side. 
    What, like when Elliot Lee went to Wrexham a few months ago.

    ”he will take liberties in the National League “
    ”He will be a fucking cheat code”
    ”Best player in that league “

    Been subbed off in the last two games well before the end