Perhaps it’s a case they have enquired about strikers but the ones they think will be an improvement on Stockley, who is doing better than some will give him credit for, or Leaburn, who looks better than I think a lot of us expected, are out of reach. No point signing someone just for the sake of it.
Or perhaps they just want to play their cards very close to their chest for fear of losing a deal by it becoming public knowledge too early.
We’ll find out in a couple of weeks.
If Stockley or Leaburn get injured we are up creek.... we need another striker.
IF. It’s not definitely going to happen so the management team has to balance that risk against what it will cost to sign a striker that will be worth actually adding to the wage bill. And whatever the bed wetting doom mongers will say, Aneke will be available for selection at some point.
Ideally we would be able to sign a decent striker, but this isn’t like January 2019 when we were playing 2 up front and sold Grant to leave us with only Taylor and the injured Vetokele so had to sign Parker because he was all we could get. Right now we have two decent, fit options for one position.
If we just sign someone for the sake of it they might end being unused and unwanted and then, in January, maybe a better option comes on the market but we already spent our budget on the d-list option.
it’s made out like it’s a black and white decision but it’s not.
Perhaps it’s a case they have enquired about strikers but the ones they think will be an improvement on Stockley, who is doing better than some will give him credit for, or Leaburn, who looks better than I think a lot of us expected, are out of reach. No point signing someone just for the sake of it.
Or perhaps they just want to play their cards very close to their chest for fear of losing a deal by it becoming public knowledge too early.
We’ll find out in a couple of weeks.
If Stockley or Leaburn get injured we are up creek.... we need another striker.
IF. It’s not definitely going to happen so the management team has to balance that risk against what it will cost to sign a striker that will be worth actually adding to the wage bill. And whatever the bed wetting doom mongers will say, Aneke will be available for selection at some point.
Ideally we would be able to sign a decent striker, but this isn’t like January 2019 when we were playing 2 up front and sold Grant to leave us with only Taylor and the injured Vetokele so had to sign Parker because he was all we could get. Right now we have two decent, fit options for one position.
If we just sign someone for the sake of it they might end being unused and unwanted and then, in January, maybe a better option comes on the market but we already spent our budget on the d-list option.
it’s made out like it’s a black and white decision but it’s not.
Perhaps it’s a case they have enquired about strikers but the ones they think will be an improvement on Stockley, who is doing better than some will give him credit for, or Leaburn, who looks better than I think a lot of us expected, are out of reach. No point signing someone just for the sake of it.
Or perhaps they just want to play their cards very close to their chest for fear of losing a deal by it becoming public knowledge too early.
We’ll find out in a couple of weeks.
If Stockley or Leaburn get injured we are up creek.... we need another striker.
IF. It’s not definitely going to happen so the management team has to balance that risk against what it will cost to sign a striker that will be worth actually adding to the wage bill. And whatever the bed wetting doom mongers will say, Aneke will be available for selection at some point.
Ideally we would be able to sign a decent striker, but this isn’t like January 2019 when we were playing 2 up front and sold Grant to leave us with only Taylor and the injured Vetokele so had to sign Parker because he was all we could get. Right now we have two decent, fit options for one position.
If we just sign someone for the sake of it they might end being unused and unwanted and then, in January, maybe a better option comes on the market but we already spent our budget on the d-list option.
it’s made out like it’s a black and white decision but it’s not.
Stockley will 100% miss games this season due to injury or suspension. Leaburn is far too raw to be first choice when that happens and we simply can't be reliant on Aneke having one of his runs of actually being fit at the time. We need a striker
Perhaps it’s a case they have enquired about strikers but the ones they think will be an improvement on Stockley, who is doing better than some will give him credit for, or Leaburn, who looks better than I think a lot of us expected, are out of reach. No point signing someone just for the sake of it.
Or perhaps they just want to play their cards very close to their chest for fear of losing a deal by it becoming public knowledge too early.
We’ll find out in a couple of weeks.
If Stockley or Leaburn get injured we are up creek.... we need another striker.
IF. It’s not definitely going to happen so the management team has to balance that risk against what it will cost to sign a striker that will be worth actually adding to the wage bill. And whatever the bed wetting doom mongers will say, Aneke will be available for selection at some point.
Ideally we would be able to sign a decent striker, but this isn’t like January 2019 when we were playing 2 up front and sold Grant to leave us with only Taylor and the injured Vetokele so had to sign Parker because he was all we could get. Right now we have two decent, fit options for one position.
If we just sign someone for the sake of it they might end being unused and unwanted and then, in January, maybe a better option comes on the market but we already spent our budget on the d-list option.
it’s made out like it’s a black and white decision but it’s not.
It will though won’t it.
Maybe, but if our new signing striker is no good, would it matter? For example, if we’d kept Josh Davison, would you be saying we don’t need a striker? And would you feel better about the prospect of starting him instead of, say, adapting so, perhaps, Payne plays as a false nine for a few matches?
Perhaps it’s a case they have enquired about strikers but the ones they think will be an improvement on Stockley, who is doing better than some will give him credit for, or Leaburn, who looks better than I think a lot of us expected, are out of reach. No point signing someone just for the sake of it.
Or perhaps they just want to play their cards very close to their chest for fear of losing a deal by it becoming public knowledge too early.
We’ll find out in a couple of weeks.
If Stockley or Leaburn get injured we are up creek.... we need another striker.
IF. It’s not definitely going to happen so the management team has to balance that risk against what it will cost to sign a striker that will be worth actually adding to the wage bill. And whatever the bed wetting doom mongers will say, Aneke will be available for selection at some point.
Ideally we would be able to sign a decent striker, but this isn’t like January 2019 when we were playing 2 up front and sold Grant to leave us with only Taylor and the injured Vetokele so had to sign Parker because he was all we could get. Right now we have two decent, fit options for one position.
If we just sign someone for the sake of it they might end being unused and unwanted and then, in January, maybe a better option comes on the market but we already spent our budget on the d-list option.
it’s made out like it’s a black and white decision but it’s not.
Stockley will 100% miss games this season due to injury or suspension. Leaburn is far too raw to be first choice when that happens and we simply can't be reliant on Aneke having one of his runs of actually being fit at the time. We need a striker
We need a striker who can play up top on their own and is, at least, better than Leaburn. If players fitting that bill are too expensive, not interested in joining us, or their current club will not sell, what would you like Charlton to do about that?
Now, I don’t know for certain that that is the case, but there’s an assumption by some that the club haven’t even tried to sign a striker but I find that hard to believe. And there’s been nothing official to say they aren’t trying, just perhaps they aren’t confident they can make the deal they want happen.
As fans on here, we’ve only identified 3 players that would fit the bill - Stockton (question marks over how good he really is and Morecambe don’t seem keen to sell), Simpson (now looks like he’s Championship bound), and Wilks (probably out of price range).
You can need something all you want, but if what you need isn’t available then you might have no choice than to make do without it.
Perhaps it’s a case they have enquired about strikers but the ones they think will be an improvement on Stockley, who is doing better than some will give him credit for, or Leaburn, who looks better than I think a lot of us expected, are out of reach. No point signing someone just for the sake of it.
Or perhaps they just want to play their cards very close to their chest for fear of losing a deal by it becoming public knowledge too early.
We’ll find out in a couple of weeks.
If Stockley or Leaburn get injured we are up creek.... we need another striker.
IF. It’s not definitely going to happen so the management team has to balance that risk against what it will cost to sign a striker that will be worth actually adding to the wage bill. And whatever the bed wetting doom mongers will say, Aneke will be available for selection at some point.
Ideally we would be able to sign a decent striker, but this isn’t like January 2019 when we were playing 2 up front and sold Grant to leave us with only Taylor and the injured Vetokele so had to sign Parker because he was all we could get. Right now we have two decent, fit options for one position.
If we just sign someone for the sake of it they might end being unused and unwanted and then, in January, maybe a better option comes on the market but we already spent our budget on the d-list option.
it’s made out like it’s a black and white decision but it’s not.
It will though won’t it.
Maybe, but if our new signing striker is no good, would it matter? For example, if we’d kept Josh Davison, would you be saying we don’t need a striker? And would you feel better about the prospect of starting him instead of, say, adapting so, perhaps, Payne plays as a false nine for a few matches?
Stockley made 33 starts last season and has only ever once played more than that in 10 seasons. Having Payne as a false nine for 13 games would be an interesting experiment, but unlikely to lead to promotion. Has anybody ever done it in League One? And even if, quite a big if, Aneke gets fit he is only ever an impact sub not a starter. We need another striker if we are to be promoted.
Perhaps it’s a case they have enquired about strikers but the ones they think will be an improvement on Stockley, who is doing better than some will give him credit for, or Leaburn, who looks better than I think a lot of us expected, are out of reach. No point signing someone just for the sake of it.
Or perhaps they just want to play their cards very close to their chest for fear of losing a deal by it becoming public knowledge too early.
We’ll find out in a couple of weeks.
If Stockley or Leaburn get injured we are up creek.... we need another striker.
IF. It’s not definitely going to happen so the management team has to balance that risk against what it will cost to sign a striker that will be worth actually adding to the wage bill. And whatever the bed wetting doom mongers will say, Aneke will be available for selection at some point.
Ideally we would be able to sign a decent striker, but this isn’t like January 2019 when we were playing 2 up front and sold Grant to leave us with only Taylor and the injured Vetokele so had to sign Parker because he was all we could get. Right now we have two decent, fit options for one position.
If we just sign someone for the sake of it they might end being unused and unwanted and then, in January, maybe a better option comes on the market but we already spent our budget on the d-list option.
it’s made out like it’s a black and white decision but it’s not.
Stockley will 100% miss games this season due to injury or suspension. Leaburn is far too raw to be first choice when that happens and we simply can't be reliant on Aneke having one of his runs of actually being fit at the time. We need a striker
We need a striker who can play up top on their own and is, at least, better than Leaburn. If players fitting that bill are too expensive, not interested in joining us, or their current club will not sell, what would you like Charlton to do about that?
Now, I don’t know for certain that that is the case, but there’s an assumption by some that the club haven’t even tried to sign a striker but I find that hard to believe. And there’s been nothing official to say they aren’t trying, just perhaps they aren’t confident they can make the deal they want happen.
As fans on here, we’ve only identified 3 players that would fit the bill - Stockton (question marks over how good he really is and Morecambe don’t seem keen to sell), Simpson (now looks like he’s Championship bound), and Wilks (probably out of price range).
You can need something all you want, but if what you need isn’t available then you might have no choice than to make do without it.
I agree with you there. I think we need one and but I also believe those at the club think we do too
Perhaps it’s a case they have enquired about strikers but the ones they think will be an improvement on Stockley, who is doing better than some will give him credit for, or Leaburn, who looks better than I think a lot of us expected, are out of reach. No point signing someone just for the sake of it.
Or perhaps they just want to play their cards very close to their chest for fear of losing a deal by it becoming public knowledge too early.
We’ll find out in a couple of weeks.
If Stockley or Leaburn get injured we are up creek.... we need another striker.
IF. It’s not definitely going to happen so the management team has to balance that risk against what it will cost to sign a striker that will be worth actually adding to the wage bill. And whatever the bed wetting doom mongers will say, Aneke will be available for selection at some point.
Ideally we would be able to sign a decent striker, but this isn’t like January 2019 when we were playing 2 up front and sold Grant to leave us with only Taylor and the injured Vetokele so had to sign Parker because he was all we could get. Right now we have two decent, fit options for one position.
If we just sign someone for the sake of it they might end being unused and unwanted and then, in January, maybe a better option comes on the market but we already spent our budget on the d-list option.
it’s made out like it’s a black and white decision but it’s not.
Stockley will 100% miss games this season due to injury or suspension. Leaburn is far too raw to be first choice when that happens and we simply can't be reliant on Aneke having one of his runs of actually being fit at the time. We need a striker
I agree. Even if fit, in the base case, as I thought I heard Jason Pierce saying on the tv commentary today, Stockley can’t keep up that high level of pressing for the whole 90 minutes. Regardless of us playing 4-3-3, I for one feel we need an additional striker who can come on and keep the energy level going. If we want to optimize the chances of promotion we should be doing our utmost to get someone in.
Perhaps it’s a case they have enquired about strikers but the ones they think will be an improvement on Stockley, who is doing better than some will give him credit for, or Leaburn, who looks better than I think a lot of us expected, are out of reach. No point signing someone just for the sake of it.
Or perhaps they just want to play their cards very close to their chest for fear of losing a deal by it becoming public knowledge too early.
We’ll find out in a couple of weeks.
If Stockley or Leaburn get injured we are up creek.... we need another striker.
And frankly neither are that good for starters. Ok, but not good enough for a team aiming for promotion.
Perhaps it’s a case they have enquired about strikers but the ones they think will be an improvement on Stockley, who is doing better than some will give him credit for, or Leaburn, who looks better than I think a lot of us expected, are out of reach. No point signing someone just for the sake of it.
Or perhaps they just want to play their cards very close to their chest for fear of losing a deal by it becoming public knowledge too early.
We’ll find out in a couple of weeks.
If Stockley or Leaburn get injured we are up creek.... we need another striker.
IF. It’s not definitely going to happen so the management team has to balance that risk against what it will cost to sign a striker that will be worth actually adding to the wage bill. And whatever the bed wetting doom mongers will say, Aneke will be available for selection at some point.
Ideally we would be able to sign a decent striker, but this isn’t like January 2019 when we were playing 2 up front and sold Grant to leave us with only Taylor and the injured Vetokele so had to sign Parker because he was all we could get. Right now we have two decent, fit options for one position.
If we just sign someone for the sake of it they might end being unused and unwanted
I can tell you one thing for certain, a new striker will neither be unused or unwanted. With our injury record I expect them to be used from day 1.......
Perhaps it’s a case they have enquired about strikers but the ones they think will be an improvement on Stockley, who is doing better than some will give him credit for, or Leaburn, who looks better than I think a lot of us expected, are out of reach. No point signing someone just for the sake of it.
Or perhaps they just want to play their cards very close to their chest for fear of losing a deal by it becoming public knowledge too early.
We’ll find out in a couple of weeks.
If Stockley or Leaburn get injured we are up creek.... we need another striker.
IF. It’s not definitely going to happen so the management team has to balance that risk against what it will cost to sign a striker that will be worth actually adding to the wage bill. And whatever the bed wetting doom mongers will say, Aneke will be available for selection at some point.
Ideally we would be able to sign a decent striker, but this isn’t like January 2019 when we were playing 2 up front and sold Grant to leave us with only Taylor and the injured Vetokele so had to sign Parker because he was all we could get. Right now we have two decent, fit options for one position.
If we just sign someone for the sake of it they might end being unused and unwanted and then, in January, maybe a better option comes on the market but we already spent our budget on the d-list option.
it’s made out like it’s a black and white decision but it’s not.
Stockley will 100% miss games this season due to injury or suspension. Leaburn is far too raw to be first choice when that happens and we simply can't be reliant on Aneke having one of his runs of actually being fit at the time. We need a striker
We need a striker who can play up top on their own and is, at least, better than Leaburn. If players fitting that bill are too expensive, not interested in joining us, or their current club will not sell, what would you like Charlton to do about that?
Now, I don’t know for certain that that is the case, but there’s an assumption by some that the club haven’t even tried to sign a striker but I find that hard to believe. And there’s been nothing official to say they aren’t trying, just perhaps they aren’t confident they can make the deal they want happen.
As fans on here, we’ve only identified 3 players that would fit the bill - Stockton (question marks over how good he really is and Morecambe don’t seem keen to sell), Simpson (now looks like he’s Championship bound), and Wilks (probably out of price range).
You can need something all you want, but if what you need isn’t available then you might have no choice than to make do without it.
Players are always available for a price. Might have to push the boat out but spending an extra £250k now might mean not losing £8m next season (if we are still stuck in this division).
A centre forward to compete with Stockley and hopefully oust him medium.term and a centre half who can play alongside our other new centre half.
Please.
A centre forward that has the all round skills of a number 9, like Bent, Kermorgant, Mendonca, Taylor or Lookman, and not a Bonne like donkey who needs 10 chances a game and still fucks them up. Would've done better with Lisbie up front today
At least 4 occasions yesterday we could have slid the ball in behind the strikers for a pacey cf to run onto but we couldn’t - we did once when a bit closer in in goal and stockley fluffed but we don’t have the option and that is cutting down a massive portion of our attacking options - we have to sign a mobile striker as we all - bar a few - know
Perhaps it’s a case they have enquired about strikers but the ones they think will be an improvement on Stockley, who is doing better than some will give him credit for, or Leaburn, who looks better than I think a lot of us expected, are out of reach. No point signing someone just for the sake of it.
Or perhaps they just want to play their cards very close to their chest for fear of losing a deal by it becoming public knowledge too early.
We’ll find out in a couple of weeks.
If Stockley or Leaburn get injured we are up creek.... we need another striker.
IF. It’s not definitely going to happen so the management team has to balance that risk against what it will cost to sign a striker that will be worth actually adding to the wage bill. And whatever the bed wetting doom mongers will say, Aneke will be available for selection at some point.
Ideally we would be able to sign a decent striker, but this isn’t like January 2019 when we were playing 2 up front and sold Grant to leave us with only Taylor and the injured Vetokele so had to sign Parker because he was all we could get. Right now we have two decent, fit options for one position.
If we just sign someone for the sake of it they might end being unused and unwanted and then, in January, maybe a better option comes on the market but we already spent our budget on the d-list option.
it’s made out like it’s a black and white decision but it’s not.
It will though won’t it.
Maybe, but if our new signing striker is no good, would it matter? For example, if we’d kept Josh Davison, would you be saying we don’t need a striker? And would you feel better about the prospect of starting him instead of, say, adapting so, perhaps, Payne plays as a false nine for a few matches?
Stockley may not be heading goals at the moment but 2 of our recent goals have come as a direct result of him heading at goal. Do you think Payne will be able to do that, get on the end of aerial crosses and hold the ball up that's not played to feet ?
Perhaps it’s a case they have enquired about strikers but the ones they think will be an improvement on Stockley, who is doing better than some will give him credit for, or Leaburn, who looks better than I think a lot of us expected, are out of reach. No point signing someone just for the sake of it.
Or perhaps they just want to play their cards very close to their chest for fear of losing a deal by it becoming public knowledge too early.
We’ll find out in a couple of weeks.
If Stockley or Leaburn get injured we are up creek.... we need another striker.
IF. It’s not definitely going to happen so the management team has to balance that risk against what it will cost to sign a striker that will be worth actually adding to the wage bill. And whatever the bed wetting doom mongers will say, Aneke will be available for selection at some point.
Ideally we would be able to sign a decent striker, but this isn’t like January 2019 when we were playing 2 up front and sold Grant to leave us with only Taylor and the injured Vetokele so had to sign Parker because he was all we could get. Right now we have two decent, fit options for one position.
If we just sign someone for the sake of it they might end being unused and unwanted and then, in January, maybe a better option comes on the market but we already spent our budget on the d-list option.
it’s made out like it’s a black and white decision but it’s not.
It will though won’t it.
Maybe, but if our new signing striker is no good, would it matter? For example, if we’d kept Josh Davison, would you be saying we don’t need a striker? And would you feel better about the prospect of starting him instead of, say, adapting so, perhaps, Payne plays as a false nine for a few matches?
Stockley may not be heading goals at the moment but 2 of our recent goals have come as a direct result of him heading at goal. Do you think Payne will be able to do that, get on the end of aerial crosses and hold the ball up that's not played to feet ?
Ohh and forgot do you think Payne will be able to do the defensive headers out of our box at set plays.
Missing out on Simpson would be a real shame as I suspect he's one Garner wants and that TS has been saving the spending money on.
But not on the Huddersfield OS yet
Wilks to Wednesday isn't a surprise. His satnav doesn't work outside Yorkshire.
I'm surprised too that Stockton isn't getting more/higher level interest but perhaps he is but its not in the papers or others fear he's a one season wonder too.
The fact that we want another centre back, which we do IMHO doesn't preclude us ALSO going for a striker.
As far as I know Garner hasn't said we're not looking for a striker, that IMHO we also need, only that they want a defender.
And as so much of our business has been done under the radar and we still have plenty of loan slots I'm not ruling it out.
Anybody who still has expectations of another striker coming in, I think should dampen them. Unless there is a whole lot of bluffing going on, my expectations are CB and a GK (in the event McG leaves). I think the plan is for goals coming from all over the pitch and very many on 5+, two to three on 10+. No reliance on a forward getting 20+ and Stockley being the focal point for holding up and chipping in. Garner has publicly said he does not want a big squad and has apparently also been clear where he still believes we need to strengthen. We are in a much stronger position than last year and I think only a bad batch injuries accumulating at the same time will negatively impact our push for the play offs. Feeling pretty positive, as sounds to me, Garner clear in his own mind and being backed, he will deliver upon a mix of existing, bought in experience combined with some of our prime and ready youth products & we are developing a style and identity that opposition managers are having to worry about.
What a difference a season or two makes when we were the ones focused on how to deal with the opposition. Bring the games on!
Stockley is a good League One striker but if he’s not on it, it really doesn’t work and he doesn’t look great.
Aneke is a top League One striker but we have done this discussion to death.
Leaburn is only 18 and learning. He’s done very well but it’s not fair to pin any hopes on him.
No one in this division will get promoted with a strike force of just those 3.
A striker must be a priority because all it takes is Stockley to be out for any length of time and we will be very weak up front.
Without being disrespectful to anyone, it’s foolish to think otherwise.
I personally don’t disagree, but do not think this is the way it will go and think we ought to be very pleasantly surprised if if we do get another, rather than expectant at this stage, as my understanding is that this area is not being targeted for re-enforcement at this stage. Always a chance in the winter window depending on how the strikers and injuries fare I suspect?
Ipswich, Peterborough and Pompey are all scoring goals and have far more depth up front than we have. Failure to strengthen up front will almost certainly consign us to yet another season of mid-table mediocrity.
With Chuk’s injury problems, we’re into the season with just one senior striker and a raw 18 year old, which is asking for trouble.
The problem with the January window is that, first, it’s notoriously difficult to obtain value and, secondly, we may, by then have lost touch with the leading clubs.
The club are, very sensibly, playing their cards very close to their chest. If the budget won’t accommodate a permanent deal, maybe a loan striker will come in from the Premier League or Championship. That’s always a gamble but probably preferable to overplaying the likes of Leaburn and Kanu when they’re not ready.
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Ideally we would be able to sign a decent striker, but this isn’t like January 2019 when we were playing 2 up front and sold Grant to leave us with only Taylor and the injured Vetokele so had to sign Parker because he was all we could get. Right now we have two decent, fit options for one position.
it’s made out like it’s a black and white decision but it’s not.
Now, I don’t know for certain that that is the case, but there’s an assumption by some that the club haven’t even tried to sign a striker but I find that hard to believe. And there’s been nothing official to say they aren’t trying, just perhaps they aren’t confident they can make the deal they want happen.
You can need something all you want, but if what you need isn’t available then you might have no choice than to make do without it.
We need another striker if we are to be promoted.
https://londonnewsonline.co.uk/charlton-athletic-boss-hoping-to-boost-centre-back-options-before-transfer-window-closes/
We have too many midfielders (Mcgrandles being out might change that) but are short up front it’s so plain to see
Genuinely think one diamond signing up front could change this team from top 8 to top 4
Please.
Port Value join Fleetwood and Shrews in hunt for Cole Stockton.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/port-vale-cole-stockton-morecambe-7491225.amp
Huddersfield in for Tyreece Simpson
But not on the Huddersfield OS yet
Wilks to Wednesday isn't a surprise. His satnav doesn't work outside Yorkshire.
I'm surprised too that Stockton isn't getting more/higher level interest but perhaps he is but its not in the papers or others fear he's a one season wonder too.
The fact that we want another centre back, which we do IMHO doesn't preclude us ALSO going for a striker.
As far as I know Garner hasn't said we're not looking for a striker, that IMHO we also need, only that they want a defender.
And as so much of our business has been done under the radar and we still have plenty of loan slots I'm not ruling it out.
We shall have to wait and see how it plays out.
What a difference a season or two makes when we were the ones focused on how to deal with the opposition. Bring the games on!
Stockley is a good League One striker but if he’s not on it, it really doesn’t work and he doesn’t look great.
Aneke is a top League One striker but we have done this discussion to death.
Leaburn is only 18 and learning. He’s done very well but it’s not fair to pin any hopes on him.
No one in this division will get promoted with a strike force of just those 3.
A striker must be a priority because all it takes is Stockley to be out for any length of time and we will be very weak up front.
Without being disrespectful to anyone, it’s foolish to think otherwise.
The club are, very sensibly, playing their cards very close to their chest. If the budget won’t accommodate a permanent deal, maybe a loan striker will come in from the Premier League or Championship. That’s always a gamble but probably preferable to overplaying the likes of Leaburn and Kanu when they’re not ready.