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Summer 2022 transfer rumours (Gilbey loan confirmed p513, a signing falls through last minute p541)

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  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,851
    Exiled_Addick said:
    I’d hold off about being smug about swapping Gilbey for McGrandles. I’m not a big fan of Gilbey, but we’ve hardly seen McGrandles yet, thanks to injury, and he’s been both good and bad in the limited time he has been on the pitch. Jury is very much still out on him 
    McGrandles has been Charltonised already
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,766
    McGrandles will come good
  • mart77
    mart77 Posts: 5,658
    Exiled_Addick said:
    I’d hold off about being smug about swapping Gilbey for McGrandles. I’m not a big fan of Gilbey, but we’ve hardly seen McGrandles yet, thanks to injury, and he’s been both good and bad in the limited time he has been on the pitch. Jury is very much still out on him 
    Once he’s back fit McGrandles will be a fan favourite. Quality player who I’d have snapped your hands off for a swap with Gilbey in the summer. Showed signs of his quality against Plymouth but then a freak injury. He will come good…just like we WILL sign a striker! 😉
  • Chris_from_Sidcup
    Chris_from_Sidcup Posts: 36,015
    edited August 2022
    Chunes said:
    FishCostaFortune said:
    killerandflash said:
    FishCostaFortune said:
    Isawsummersplay said:
    Ipswich, Peterborough and Pompey are all scoring goals and have far more depth up front than we have. Failure to strengthen up front will almost certainly consign us to yet another season of mid-table mediocrity.
    Ipswich have scored one more goal than us although they’ve played the current 18th, 20th, 22nd and 24th team in the league. 
    They've also let in 3 fewer

    Ipswich have a rock solid defence, they don't need to score lots of goals. We play open, attacking football so will concede more than them, we need to score more goals.
    Yeah and they’ve also played 18th, 20th, 22nd and 24th in the league. We’ve not played anyone lower than 12th. 

    How well would both of us done if the teams we had played had been reversed. We just don’t know yet, and it’s difficult to really compare this early on in the season.  
    Does league position say much 5 games into the season?
    It doesn't but you could argue that the table won't be that much different in May.

    Ipswich, Peterborough, Portsmouth, Sheff Weds, Plymouth, us, Bolton and Derby is the current top 8.

    You could make a case for Wycombe, Barnsley, MK Dons and maybe Oxford getting in there but I'd bet that most, if not all, of the current 8 sides will still be in the top 8 at the end of the season.
  • JamesSeed
    JamesSeed Posts: 17,380
    Showmetheway2gohome said:
    Sooner foster caskey than mccrap
    Showhimtheway2theexit. 
  • Chunes
    Chunes Posts: 17,349
    edited August 2022
    Exiled_Addick said:
    I’d hold off about being smug about swapping Gilbey for McGrandles. I’m not a big fan of Gilbey, but we’ve hardly seen McGrandles yet, thanks to injury, and he’s been both good and bad in the limited time he has been on the pitch. Jury is very much still out on him 
    He only needs to have more than two good games a season to be an improvement on Gilbs... 
  • thenewbie
    thenewbie Posts: 11,001
    Chunes said:
    Exiled_Addick said:
    I’d hold off about being smug about swapping Gilbey for McGrandles. I’m not a big fan of Gilbey, but we’ve hardly seen McGrandles yet, thanks to injury, and he’s been both good and bad in the limited time he has been on the pitch. Jury is very much still out on him 
    He only needs to have more than two good games a season to be an improvement on Gilbs... 
    Even if McGrandles does flop, it just means that he's not playing well. It doesn't mean that Gilbey was actually good all along because outside of one or two games, he's not.
  • Croydon
    Croydon Posts: 12,728
    StrikerFirmani said:
    Croydon said:
    StrikerFirmani said:
    StrikerFirmani said:
    Exiled_Addick said:
    EugenesAxe said:
    Exiled_Addick said:
    up_the_valley said:
    Exiled_Addick said:
    Perhaps it’s a case they have enquired about strikers but the ones they think will be an improvement on Stockley, who is doing better than some
    will give him credit for, or Leaburn, who looks better than I think a lot of us expected, are out of reach. No point signing someone just for the sake of it. 

    Or perhaps they just want to play their cards very close to their chest for fear of losing a deal by it becoming public knowledge too early.  

    We’ll find out in a couple of weeks. 
    If Stockley or Leaburn get injured we are up creek.... we need another striker.
    IF. It’s not definitely going to happen so the management team has to balance that risk against what it will cost to sign a striker that will be worth actually adding to the wage bill. And whatever the bed wetting doom mongers will say, Aneke will be available for selection at some point.

    Ideally we would be able to sign a decent striker, but this isn’t like January 2019 when we were playing 2 up front and sold Grant to leave us with only Taylor and the injured Vetokele so had to sign Parker because he was all we could get. Right now we have two decent, fit options for one position. 

    If we just sign someone for the sake of it they might end being unused and  unwanted and then, in January, maybe a better option comes on the market but we already spent our budget on the d-list option.

    it’s made out like it’s a black and white decision but it’s not. 

    It will though won’t it.
    Maybe, but if our new signing striker is no good, would it matter? For example, if we’d kept Josh Davison, would you be saying we don’t need a striker? And would you feel better about the prospect of starting him instead of, say, adapting so, perhaps, Payne plays as a false nine for a few matches?
    Stockley may not be heading goals at the moment but 2 of our recent goals have come as a direct result of him heading at goal.  Do you think Payne will be able to do that, get on the end of aerial crosses and hold the ball up that's not played to feet ?  
    Ohh and forgot do you think Payne will be able to do the defensive headers out of our box at set plays. 
    Absolute madness if you're keeping a striker in the squad for his defensive ability 
    That was not the point.  I did not say a striker should be in the team for his defensive ability. It was suggested that Payne could play as a striker (false  9).  To that I made the point Payne could not fulfil the role and in addition wouldn't be able help out at set plays in defending.
    Not just you who uses it as an argument for Stockley though.
  • sam3110
    sam3110 Posts: 21,270
    Showmetheway2gohome said:
    Sooner foster caskey than mccrap
    Is that your username because you're permanently off your face? 
  • LargeAddick
    LargeAddick Posts: 32,561
    How does Gilbey leave on loan with a view to a permanent deal? He’s out of contract at the end of the season so available on a free. The only way I see this working for us financially is that we get some, or all, his wages off the books and/or a suitable loan fee.
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  • mart77
    mart77 Posts: 5,658
    LargeAddick said:
    How does Gilbey leave on loan with a view to a permanent deal? He’s out of contract at the end of the season so available on a free. The only way I see this working for us financially is that we get some, or all, his wages off the books and/or a suitable loan fee.
    Wouldn’t be surprised if it’s a loan and a good portion of his wages paid by Lincoln. If Lincoln sign him at the end of the season then they pay us a small fee. 
    Perhaps we have an option to extend his contract in the Club’s favour.
  • StrikerFirmani
    StrikerFirmani Posts: 2,742
    Croydon said:
    StrikerFirmani said:
    Croydon said:
    StrikerFirmani said:
    StrikerFirmani said:
    Exiled_Addick said:
    EugenesAxe said:
    Exiled_Addick said:
    up_the_valley said:
    Exiled_Addick said:
    Perhaps it’s a case they have enquired about strikers but the ones they think will be an improvement on Stockley, who is doing better than some
    will give him credit for, or Leaburn, who looks better than I think a lot of us expected, are out of reach. No point signing someone just for the sake of it. 

    Or perhaps they just want to play their cards very close to their chest for fear of losing a deal by it becoming public knowledge too early.  

    We’ll find out in a couple of weeks. 
    If Stockley or Leaburn get injured we are up creek.... we need another striker.
    IF. It’s not definitely going to happen so the management team has to balance that risk against what it will cost to sign a striker that will be worth actually adding to the wage bill. And whatever the bed wetting doom mongers will say, Aneke will be available for selection at some point.

    Ideally we would be able to sign a decent striker, but this isn’t like January 2019 when we were playing 2 up front and sold Grant to leave us with only Taylor and the injured Vetokele so had to sign Parker because he was all we could get. Right now we have two decent, fit options for one position. 

    If we just sign someone for the sake of it they might end being unused and  unwanted and then, in January, maybe a better option comes on the market but we already spent our budget on the d-list option.

    it’s made out like it’s a black and white decision but it’s not. 

    It will though won’t it.
    Maybe, but if our new signing striker is no good, would it matter? For example, if we’d kept Josh Davison, would you be saying we don’t need a striker? And would you feel better about the prospect of starting him instead of, say, adapting so, perhaps, Payne plays as a false nine for a few matches?
    Stockley may not be heading goals at the moment but 2 of our recent goals have come as a direct result of him heading at goal.  Do you think Payne will be able to do that, get on the end of aerial crosses and hold the ball up that's not played to feet ?  
    Ohh and forgot do you think Payne will be able to do the defensive headers out of our box at set plays. 
    Absolute madness if you're keeping a striker in the squad for his defensive ability 
    That was not the point.  I did not say a striker should be in the team for his defensive ability. It was suggested that Payne could play as a striker (false  9).  To that I made the point Payne could not fulfil the role and in addition wouldn't be able help out at set plays in defending.
    Not just you who uses it as an argument for Stockley though.

    Its a fact he does do a job there but I'm not arguing about Stockley any striker we have will still need to pick up a CB at set pieces otherwise you are likely to have 2 opposing strikers plus two CB's attacking in your penalty box, 2 of which will be having a chance of a free header.  Other teams don't give a toss about what system you are playing if you are naive to leave there aerial threat free in your penalty area at set pieces.   
  • Chunes
    Chunes Posts: 17,349
    edited August 2022
    LargeAddick said:
    How does Gilbey leave on loan with a view to a permanent deal? He’s out of contract at the end of the season so available on a free. The only way I see this working for us financially is that we get some, or all, his wages off the books and/or a suitable loan fee.
    I think that's just it. We get him off the books and free up space in the budget for another player. Perhaps Lincoln aren't willing to gamble on offering him a multi-year contract at this point.
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,851
    edited August 2022
    I imagine they'll pay all or nearly all of his wages, but don't have to commit to a longer deal yet

    After all we had both Shinnie and Lee on loan from Luton in similar circumstances, with both in the final year of their contracts and unwanted by their parent club.
  • DubaiCAFC
    DubaiCAFC Posts: 2,461
    We will get 50K loan fee for Gilbey and wages paid in full.. As Killerandflash mentioned, it is basically a long term trial for Lincoln and Gilbey, if it doesn't suit both parties they are not committed to long term contract. 
  • matt88
    matt88 Posts: 465
    DubaiCAFC said:
    We will get 50K loan fee for Gilbey and wages paid in full.. As Killerandflash mentioned, it is basically a long term trial for Lincoln and Gilbey, if it doesn't suit both parties they are not committed to long term contract. 
    Wouldn’t that be the same as just buying him for £50k on a one year deal and paying all his wages though?

    I don’t see how a loan deal is good for us as it would surely mean that we’re paying a percentage of his wages, whereas he’d be off the books completely if it was permanent?
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    matt88 said:
    DubaiCAFC said:
    We will get 50K loan fee for Gilbey and wages paid in full.. As Killerandflash mentioned, it is basically a long term trial for Lincoln and Gilbey, if it doesn't suit both parties they are not committed to long term contract. 
    Wouldn’t that be the same as just buying him for £50k on a one year deal and paying all his wages though?

    I don’t see how a loan deal is good for us as it would surely mean that we’re paying a percentage of his wages, whereas he’d be off the books completely if it was permanent?
    It says wages paid in full.

    It could well be that Gilbey doesn't want to sign a longer contact, there could be reasons he won't emd his contract with us, reasons Lincoln don't want to sign him permanently or multiple other reasons.
  • I-SAW-POUSO-PLAY
    I-SAW-POUSO-PLAY Posts: 4,608
    Gilbey going frees up the 11 shirt for McKirdy to come in!
  • Scoham
    Scoham Posts: 37,376
    Gilbey’s liked a few tweets wishing him luck for the season.


  • Super_Eddie_Youds
    Super_Eddie_Youds Posts: 1,977
    Showmetheway2gohome said:
    Sooner foster caskey than mccrap
    Mccrap? And there was me thinking it couldn’t get worse than A&eke. 
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  • cfgs
    cfgs Posts: 11,476
    My only problem with McGrandles is that I need subtitles when he speaks.
  • Garrymanilow
    Garrymanilow Posts: 13,171
    BR7_addick said:
    McGrandles being written off already blimey that’s quick even by CL standards, chill out the guy has had no time.  
    It's this incredible need to hate people have. Doesn't matter if it's a thing you love, there has to be an element of it that you hate that ruins it a bit. Can't ever having anything nice. We'd be in the Premier League if it wasn't for McGrandles, we'd win the Champions League if it wasn't for Stockley.
  • Wheresmeticket
    Wheresmeticket Posts: 17,304
    BR7_addick said:
    McGrandles being written off already blimey that’s quick even by CL standards, chill out the guy has had no time.  
    I know, bonkers.
  • JamesSeed
    JamesSeed Posts: 17,380
    Garrymanilow said:
    BR7_addick said:
    McGrandles being written off already blimey that’s quick even by CL standards, chill out the guy has had no time.  
    It's this incredible need to hate people have. Doesn't matter if it's a thing you love, there has to be an element of it that you hate that ruins it a bit. Can't ever having anything nice. We'd be in the Premier League if it wasn't for McGrandles, we'd win the Champions League if it wasn't for Stockley.
    Don’t think anybody hates Stockley tbf. 
    But McGrandles was getting slagged off after one match, which is bizarre. 
  • RonnieMoore
    RonnieMoore Posts: 4,497
    Showmetheway2gohome said:
    I can’t see why we got him Dobson is so much better as garner has already found out. So where does he play I don’t think he suits the other midfield places. 
    Yes I can see people saying how can you write him off but the lack of effort in the minutes his played is  unbelievable
    Needs 5 or so decent performances in u23 before he gets back on bench imo. 
    It says in tunnel this team never gives up he don’t get going I can only recall 1 tackle  so far I’ve never been less impressed by a new signing. Looks totally uninterested. 
    People say how good he was for Lincoln against us I can’t remember him standing out Whittaker who scored against us midweek or Scully yes but not him. 
    Oh it’s showmetheway2gohome in the T-shirts me and my brother printed and sold at selhurst park. 
    Ok Sam boy with a girls name or is it girl with a boys name. Have you got a dick between your legs as well as on top of your head. Never know nowadays 

    McGrandles Is not a holding mid like Dobson so you compare the two 
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,319
    McGrandles is comparable to Gilbey if anyone.
  • Addicktion
    Addicktion Posts: 384
    Even if Simpson ends up going to Huddersfield is there not a good chance we then get him on loan for the year? Will he be ready for Championship football already?

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