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Summer 2022 transfer rumours (Gilbey loan confirmed p513, a signing falls through last minute p541)
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I think the concern is who with any real credibility is at the club in terms of identifying what we need player- wise.Swisdom said:There are something like 300 players we are currently monitoring and assessing. The club are actually doing stuff and have been for some time.
unfortunately there are things that happen that we know nothing of and have no control over but they still sometimes happen. What is important is to know we most definitely are working on this.
A lot doesn’t get out into the public domain and the club do get hit over the head with it sometimes. No we are not perfect but we are nowhere near as inept as some people want to make out. I just don’t understand the agenda of some!
Difficult enough to get it right when you have experienced football people involved who know the game and leagues inside out.
Even more of a challenge when it appears that insight and acumen is not currently at the club (at least publicly).
The backstop/ safety net to the touted recruitment model was that Adkins/ Jackson had a say/ could veto and could identify what they needed even if it didn't stretch to actually identifying specific individuals. That isn't there at present by all accounts.
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The reason people think it's inept is because we have eyes and saw the clusterfuck that happened last summer.Swisdom said:There are something like 300 players we are currently monitoring and assessing. The club are actually doing stuff and have been for some time.
unfortunately there are things that happen that we know nothing of and have no control over but they still sometimes happen. What is important is to know we most definitely are working on this.
A lot doesn’t get out into the public domain and the club do get hit over the head with it sometimes. No we are not perfect but we are nowhere near as inept as some people want to make out. I just don’t understand the agenda of some!
The "data" produced two players that were actually quite good and Kirk. We were still 5 or 6 players short so we resorted to Gallen begging his mates to lend or recommend players.
If the attitude is well Martin (zero football experience) has replaced Roddy (little recruitment experience) so this time it will be better, well put me down as I will believe it when I see it.11 -
Everyone has already decided Martin is not bringing anything to the table before he’s had a chance to prove or disprove it though!Cafc43v3r said:
The reason people think it's inept is because we have eyes and saw the clusterfuck that happened last summer.Swisdom said:There are something like 300 players we are currently monitoring and assessing. The club are actually doing stuff and have been for some time.
unfortunately there are things that happen that we know nothing of and have no control over but they still sometimes happen. What is important is to know we most definitely are working on this.
A lot doesn’t get out into the public domain and the club do get hit over the head with it sometimes. No we are not perfect but we are nowhere near as inept as some people want to make out. I just don’t understand the agenda of some!
The "data" produced two players that were actually quite good and Kirk. We were still 5 or 6 players short so we resorted to Gallen begging his mates to lend or recommend players.
If the attitude is well Martin (zero football experience) has replaced Roddy (little recruitment experience) so this time it will be better, well put me down as I will believe it when I see it.
Kirk didn’t work because of the formation we played - the issue was more about the lack of joined up thinking between playing and scouting staff. We relied on stats more than what was practical to the desired formation.
we need a manager in place who has a clear vision and a plan - the rest falls in to place after that point. Well, That's the thinking anyway5 -
Marquis has more games a season because he never gets injured.Callumcafc said:Strip out Washington's Championship appearances and Marquis's League Two appearances. At L1 level only, Washington has 49 goals in 152 appearances. Marquis has 68 goals in 202 appearances.
Marquis goals per game ratio is marginally better (0.3366 vs 0.3223). Moving away from the comparisons for a second, I would argue his career is already on a downwards slope at the age of 29. He's not wanted by Portsmouth and didn't pull up any trees while at Lincoln. I thought we were meant to be moving away from players that have already played their best football.
EDIT: I forgot to include the 11 appearances, 0 goals Marquis made for Millwall at this level. That makes his record 68 in 213 appearances for 0.3192 average.
Washington's goals per game ratio of games he's injured for is 0. Maybe we should start looking at how many games a player plays over a season as a good thing, rather than trying to push down his 'goals per game ratio'. Marquis consistently has scored more goals over seasons than Washington.1 -
MS has had significant involvement for a while.Swisdom said:
Everyone has already decided Martin is not bringing anything to the table before he’s had a chance to prove or disprove it though!Cafc43v3r said:
The reason people think it's inept is because we have eyes and saw the clusterfuck that happened last summer.Swisdom said:There are something like 300 players we are currently monitoring and assessing. The club are actually doing stuff and have been for some time.
unfortunately there are things that happen that we know nothing of and have no control over but they still sometimes happen. What is important is to know we most definitely are working on this.
A lot doesn’t get out into the public domain and the club do get hit over the head with it sometimes. No we are not perfect but we are nowhere near as inept as some people want to make out. I just don’t understand the agenda of some!
The "data" produced two players that were actually quite good and Kirk. We were still 5 or 6 players short so we resorted to Gallen begging his mates to lend or recommend players.
If the attitude is well Martin (zero football experience) has replaced Roddy (little recruitment experience) so this time it will be better, well put me down as I will believe it when I see it.
Kirk didn’t work because of the formation we played - the issue was more about the lack of joined up thinking between playing and scouting staff. We relied on stats more than what was practical to the desired formation.
we need a manager in place who has a clear vision and a plan - the rest falls in to place after that point. Well, That's the thinking anyway
He blabbed to Connor about his contract.
His Dad has been giving him jobs for years.
Carry on thinking all will be rosey!2 -
Yes you’re probably right. We should all take to social media and tell him to fuck off. That’s bound to have the desired effect.supaclive said:
MS has had significant involvement for a while.Swisdom said:
Everyone has already decided Martin is not bringing anything to the table before he’s had a chance to prove or disprove it though!Cafc43v3r said:
The reason people think it's inept is because we have eyes and saw the clusterfuck that happened last summer.Swisdom said:There are something like 300 players we are currently monitoring and assessing. The club are actually doing stuff and have been for some time.
unfortunately there are things that happen that we know nothing of and have no control over but they still sometimes happen. What is important is to know we most definitely are working on this.
A lot doesn’t get out into the public domain and the club do get hit over the head with it sometimes. No we are not perfect but we are nowhere near as inept as some people want to make out. I just don’t understand the agenda of some!
The "data" produced two players that were actually quite good and Kirk. We were still 5 or 6 players short so we resorted to Gallen begging his mates to lend or recommend players.
If the attitude is well Martin (zero football experience) has replaced Roddy (little recruitment experience) so this time it will be better, well put me down as I will believe it when I see it.
Kirk didn’t work because of the formation we played - the issue was more about the lack of joined up thinking between playing and scouting staff. We relied on stats more than what was practical to the desired formation.
we need a manager in place who has a clear vision and a plan - the rest falls in to place after that point. Well, That's the thinking anyway
He blabbed to Connor about his contract.
His Dad has been giving him jobs for years.
Carry on thinking all will be rosey!Because that’s what plenty of people are doing
people who have no fucking clue about what happens behind the scenes
im sure Thomas wants all the negativity. I reckon he loves looking at the millions he’s thrown at us only to be told he’s a penniless chancer
what do people want from the club? The man paying the bills is going to trust family above anyone else because they aren’t going to stab him in the back at the first opportunity. As I’ve said many times this club has been in a horrific decline for a number of years with a number of owners - it will take time to get us going in the right direction again but it will take longer as long as the fans want to snipe at EVERYTHING the club does62 -
It's obviously important but it's not like we're comparing a 46 game a year player with Ryan Inniss. Washington plays plenty of games per season.SELR_addicks said:
Marquis has more games a season because he never gets injured.Callumcafc said:Strip out Washington's Championship appearances and Marquis's League Two appearances. At L1 level only, Washington has 49 goals in 152 appearances. Marquis has 68 goals in 202 appearances.
Marquis goals per game ratio is marginally better (0.3366 vs 0.3223). Moving away from the comparisons for a second, I would argue his career is already on a downwards slope at the age of 29. He's not wanted by Portsmouth and didn't pull up any trees while at Lincoln. I thought we were meant to be moving away from players that have already played their best football.
EDIT: I forgot to include the 11 appearances, 0 goals Marquis made for Millwall at this level. That makes his record 68 in 213 appearances for 0.3192 average.
Washington's goals per game ratio of games he's injured for is 0. Maybe we should start looking at how many games a player plays over a season as a good thing, rather than trying to push down his 'goals per game ratio'. Marquis consistently has scored more goals over seasons than Washington.
Marquis has had five full seasons at this level. Washington has had four and a half. If you don't like goals per game, let's do goals and appearances per season...
Marquis: 40.4 appearances, 13.6 goals
Washington: 33.8 appearances, 10.8 goals
Difference: 6.6 appearances, 2.8 goals
You could argue it's a marginal upgrade based on historical output but we need better than marginal for a first choice option. As already said, I believe Marquis is another player who is about fall off a cliff a la Watson, Gunter, Arter. He's just had a failure of a six months at Lincoln. He's not what we need if we are serious about improving.
Are you comfortable with our four strikers next season being Stockley, Marquis, Aneke and Davison?2 -
Great Post. Everyone needs to read this..Swisdom said:
Yes you’re probably right. We should all take to social media and tell him to fuck off. That’s bound to have the desired effect.supaclive said:
MS has had significant involvement for a while.Swisdom said:
Everyone has already decided Martin is not bringing anything to the table before he’s had a chance to prove or disprove it though!Cafc43v3r said:
The reason people think it's inept is because we have eyes and saw the clusterfuck that happened last summer.Swisdom said:There are something like 300 players we are currently monitoring and assessing. The club are actually doing stuff and have been for some time.
unfortunately there are things that happen that we know nothing of and have no control over but they still sometimes happen. What is important is to know we most definitely are working on this.
A lot doesn’t get out into the public domain and the club do get hit over the head with it sometimes. No we are not perfect but we are nowhere near as inept as some people want to make out. I just don’t understand the agenda of some!
The "data" produced two players that were actually quite good and Kirk. We were still 5 or 6 players short so we resorted to Gallen begging his mates to lend or recommend players.
If the attitude is well Martin (zero football experience) has replaced Roddy (little recruitment experience) so this time it will be better, well put me down as I will believe it when I see it.
Kirk didn’t work because of the formation we played - the issue was more about the lack of joined up thinking between playing and scouting staff. We relied on stats more than what was practical to the desired formation.
we need a manager in place who has a clear vision and a plan - the rest falls in to place after that point. Well, That's the thinking anyway
He blabbed to Connor about his contract.
His Dad has been giving him jobs for years.
Carry on thinking all will be rosey!Because that’s what plenty of people are doing
people who have no fucking clue about what happens behind the scenes
im sure Thomas wants all the negativity. I reckon he loves looking at the millions he’s thrown at us only to be told he’s a penniless chancer
what do people want from the club? The man paying the bills is going to trust family above anyone else because they aren’t going to stab him in the back at the first opportunity. As I’ve said many times this club has been in a horrific decline for a number of years with a number of owners - it will take time to get us going in the right direction again but it will take longer as long as the fans want to snipe at EVERYTHING the club does18 -
Well said. 👍Swisdom said:
Yes you’re probably right. We should all take to social media and tell him to fuck off. That’s bound to have the desired effect.supaclive said:
MS has had significant involvement for a while.Swisdom said:
Everyone has already decided Martin is not bringing anything to the table before he’s had a chance to prove or disprove it though!Cafc43v3r said:
The reason people think it's inept is because we have eyes and saw the clusterfuck that happened last summer.Swisdom said:There are something like 300 players we are currently monitoring and assessing. The club are actually doing stuff and have been for some time.
unfortunately there are things that happen that we know nothing of and have no control over but they still sometimes happen. What is important is to know we most definitely are working on this.
A lot doesn’t get out into the public domain and the club do get hit over the head with it sometimes. No we are not perfect but we are nowhere near as inept as some people want to make out. I just don’t understand the agenda of some!
The "data" produced two players that were actually quite good and Kirk. We were still 5 or 6 players short so we resorted to Gallen begging his mates to lend or recommend players.
If the attitude is well Martin (zero football experience) has replaced Roddy (little recruitment experience) so this time it will be better, well put me down as I will believe it when I see it.
Kirk didn’t work because of the formation we played - the issue was more about the lack of joined up thinking between playing and scouting staff. We relied on stats more than what was practical to the desired formation.
we need a manager in place who has a clear vision and a plan - the rest falls in to place after that point. Well, That's the thinking anyway
He blabbed to Connor about his contract.
His Dad has been giving him jobs for years.
Carry on thinking all will be rosey!Because that’s what plenty of people are doing
people who have no fucking clue about what happens behind the scenes
im sure Thomas wants all the negativity. I reckon he loves looking at the millions he’s thrown at us only to be told he’s a penniless chancer
what do people want from the club? The man paying the bills is going to trust family above anyone else because they aren’t going to stab him in the back at the first opportunity. As I’ve said many times this club has been in a horrific decline for a number of years with a number of owners - it will take time to get us going in the right direction again but it will take longer as long as the fans want to snipe at EVERYTHING the club does2 -
To be fair there is a third way.Swisdom said:
Yes you’re probably right. We should all take to social media and tell him to fuck off. That’s bound to have the desired effect.supaclive said:
MS has had significant involvement for a while.Swisdom said:
Everyone has already decided Martin is not bringing anything to the table before he’s had a chance to prove or disprove it though!Cafc43v3r said:
The reason people think it's inept is because we have eyes and saw the clusterfuck that happened last summer.Swisdom said:There are something like 300 players we are currently monitoring and assessing. The club are actually doing stuff and have been for some time.
unfortunately there are things that happen that we know nothing of and have no control over but they still sometimes happen. What is important is to know we most definitely are working on this.
A lot doesn’t get out into the public domain and the club do get hit over the head with it sometimes. No we are not perfect but we are nowhere near as inept as some people want to make out. I just don’t understand the agenda of some!
The "data" produced two players that were actually quite good and Kirk. We were still 5 or 6 players short so we resorted to Gallen begging his mates to lend or recommend players.
If the attitude is well Martin (zero football experience) has replaced Roddy (little recruitment experience) so this time it will be better, well put me down as I will believe it when I see it.
Kirk didn’t work because of the formation we played - the issue was more about the lack of joined up thinking between playing and scouting staff. We relied on stats more than what was practical to the desired formation.
we need a manager in place who has a clear vision and a plan - the rest falls in to place after that point. Well, That's the thinking anyway
He blabbed to Connor about his contract.
His Dad has been giving him jobs for years.
Carry on thinking all will be rosey!Because that’s what plenty of people are doing
people who have no fucking clue about what happens behind the scenes
im sure Thomas wants all the negativity. I reckon he loves looking at the millions he’s thrown at us only to be told he’s a penniless chancer
what do people want from the club? The man paying the bills is going to trust family above anyone else because they aren’t going to stab him in the back at the first opportunity. As I’ve said many times this club has been in a horrific decline for a number of years with a number of owners - it will take time to get us going in the right direction again but it will take longer as long as the fans want to snipe at EVERYTHING the club does
A lot of people don't take a snipe at everything he does and still think the idea of employing anyone, including, Roddy, to head up a recruitment team that has never fucking done the job before is stupid.
Blind faith that Martin is a nice guy and trying really hard, which I am sure are both true, don't cut it for me. But remember he discovered Fraser who everyone had forgotten about apparently, so it's all good.13 -
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Absolutely on the money.Swisdom said:
Yes you’re probably right. We should all take to social media and tell him to fuck off. That’s bound to have the desired effect.supaclive said:
MS has had significant involvement for a while.Swisdom said:
Everyone has already decided Martin is not bringing anything to the table before he’s had a chance to prove or disprove it though!Cafc43v3r said:
The reason people think it's inept is because we have eyes and saw the clusterfuck that happened last summer.Swisdom said:There are something like 300 players we are currently monitoring and assessing. The club are actually doing stuff and have been for some time.
unfortunately there are things that happen that we know nothing of and have no control over but they still sometimes happen. What is important is to know we most definitely are working on this.
A lot doesn’t get out into the public domain and the club do get hit over the head with it sometimes. No we are not perfect but we are nowhere near as inept as some people want to make out. I just don’t understand the agenda of some!
The "data" produced two players that were actually quite good and Kirk. We were still 5 or 6 players short so we resorted to Gallen begging his mates to lend or recommend players.
If the attitude is well Martin (zero football experience) has replaced Roddy (little recruitment experience) so this time it will be better, well put me down as I will believe it when I see it.
Kirk didn’t work because of the formation we played - the issue was more about the lack of joined up thinking between playing and scouting staff. We relied on stats more than what was practical to the desired formation.
we need a manager in place who has a clear vision and a plan - the rest falls in to place after that point. Well, That's the thinking anyway
He blabbed to Connor about his contract.
His Dad has been giving him jobs for years.
Carry on thinking all will be rosey!Because that’s what plenty of people are doing
people who have no fucking clue about what happens behind the scenes
im sure Thomas wants all the negativity. I reckon he loves looking at the millions he’s thrown at us only to be told he’s a penniless chancer
what do people want from the club? The man paying the bills is going to trust family above anyone else because they aren’t going to stab him in the back at the first opportunity. As I’ve said many times this club has been in a horrific decline for a number of years with a number of owners - it will take time to get us going in the right direction again but it will take longer as long as the fans want to snipe at EVERYTHING the club doesWasted on closed minds I fear.1 -
Maybe Roddy played a sizeable role in the Cat 1 academy process. ……Cafc43v3r said:
To be fair there is a third way.Swisdom said:
Yes you’re probably right. We should all take to social media and tell him to fuck off. That’s bound to have the desired effect.supaclive said:
MS has had significant involvement for a while.Swisdom said:
Everyone has already decided Martin is not bringing anything to the table before he’s had a chance to prove or disprove it though!Cafc43v3r said:
The reason people think it's inept is because we have eyes and saw the clusterfuck that happened last summer.Swisdom said:There are something like 300 players we are currently monitoring and assessing. The club are actually doing stuff and have been for some time.
unfortunately there are things that happen that we know nothing of and have no control over but they still sometimes happen. What is important is to know we most definitely are working on this.
A lot doesn’t get out into the public domain and the club do get hit over the head with it sometimes. No we are not perfect but we are nowhere near as inept as some people want to make out. I just don’t understand the agenda of some!
The "data" produced two players that were actually quite good and Kirk. We were still 5 or 6 players short so we resorted to Gallen begging his mates to lend or recommend players.
If the attitude is well Martin (zero football experience) has replaced Roddy (little recruitment experience) so this time it will be better, well put me down as I will believe it when I see it.
Kirk didn’t work because of the formation we played - the issue was more about the lack of joined up thinking between playing and scouting staff. We relied on stats more than what was practical to the desired formation.
we need a manager in place who has a clear vision and a plan - the rest falls in to place after that point. Well, That's the thinking anyway
He blabbed to Connor about his contract.
His Dad has been giving him jobs for years.
Carry on thinking all will be rosey!Because that’s what plenty of people are doing
people who have no fucking clue about what happens behind the scenes
im sure Thomas wants all the negativity. I reckon he loves looking at the millions he’s thrown at us only to be told he’s a penniless chancer
what do people want from the club? The man paying the bills is going to trust family above anyone else because they aren’t going to stab him in the back at the first opportunity. As I’ve said many times this club has been in a horrific decline for a number of years with a number of owners - it will take time to get us going in the right direction again but it will take longer as long as the fans want to snipe at EVERYTHING the club does
A lot of people don't take a snipe at everything he does and still think the idea of employing anyone, including, Roddy, to head up a recruitment team that has never fucking done the job before is stupid.
Blind faith that Martin is a nice guy and trying really hard, which I am sure are both true, don't cut it for me. But remember he discovered Fraser who everyone had forgotten about apparently, so it's all good.
because he did3 -
Well hopefully in the next 8 weeks and coming season will see actions that open our minds.Redrobo said:
Absolutely on the money.Swisdom said:
Yes you’re probably right. We should all take to social media and tell him to fuck off. That’s bound to have the desired effect.supaclive said:
MS has had significant involvement for a while.Swisdom said:
Everyone has already decided Martin is not bringing anything to the table before he’s had a chance to prove or disprove it though!Cafc43v3r said:
The reason people think it's inept is because we have eyes and saw the clusterfuck that happened last summer.Swisdom said:There are something like 300 players we are currently monitoring and assessing. The club are actually doing stuff and have been for some time.
unfortunately there are things that happen that we know nothing of and have no control over but they still sometimes happen. What is important is to know we most definitely are working on this.
A lot doesn’t get out into the public domain and the club do get hit over the head with it sometimes. No we are not perfect but we are nowhere near as inept as some people want to make out. I just don’t understand the agenda of some!
The "data" produced two players that were actually quite good and Kirk. We were still 5 or 6 players short so we resorted to Gallen begging his mates to lend or recommend players.
If the attitude is well Martin (zero football experience) has replaced Roddy (little recruitment experience) so this time it will be better, well put me down as I will believe it when I see it.
Kirk didn’t work because of the formation we played - the issue was more about the lack of joined up thinking between playing and scouting staff. We relied on stats more than what was practical to the desired formation.
we need a manager in place who has a clear vision and a plan - the rest falls in to place after that point. Well, That's the thinking anyway
He blabbed to Connor about his contract.
His Dad has been giving him jobs for years.
Carry on thinking all will be rosey!Because that’s what plenty of people are doing
people who have no fucking clue about what happens behind the scenes
im sure Thomas wants all the negativity. I reckon he loves looking at the millions he’s thrown at us only to be told he’s a penniless chancer
what do people want from the club? The man paying the bills is going to trust family above anyone else because they aren’t going to stab him in the back at the first opportunity. As I’ve said many times this club has been in a horrific decline for a number of years with a number of owners - it will take time to get us going in the right direction again but it will take longer as long as the fans want to snipe at EVERYTHING the club doesWasted on closed minds I fear.
People who dig out Sandgaard(s) on Twitter need to reign it in if abusive but questioning competence, decisions, nepotism over qualifications and credibility and a complete failure so far to deliver anywhere close to stated ambitions on a forum doesn't indicate a closed mind.
Want to be open minded but am very much actions over words especially after last summer and this gone season.
Hopefully they'll prove me and others wrong as that will be welcome.4 -
Swisdom said:
Maybe Roddy played a sizeable role in the Cat 1 academy process. ……Cafc43v3r said:
To be fair there is a third way.Swisdom said:
Yes you’re probably right. We should all take to social media and tell him to fuck off. That’s bound to have the desired effect.supaclive said:
MS has had significant involvement for a while.Swisdom said:
Everyone has already decided Martin is not bringing anything to the table before he’s had a chance to prove or disprove it though!Cafc43v3r said:
The reason people think it's inept is because we have eyes and saw the clusterfuck that happened last summer.Swisdom said:There are something like 300 players we are currently monitoring and assessing. The club are actually doing stuff and have been for some time.
unfortunately there are things that happen that we know nothing of and have no control over but they still sometimes happen. What is important is to know we most definitely are working on this.
A lot doesn’t get out into the public domain and the club do get hit over the head with it sometimes. No we are not perfect but we are nowhere near as inept as some people want to make out. I just don’t understand the agenda of some!
The "data" produced two players that were actually quite good and Kirk. We were still 5 or 6 players short so we resorted to Gallen begging his mates to lend or recommend players.
If the attitude is well Martin (zero football experience) has replaced Roddy (little recruitment experience) so this time it will be better, well put me down as I will believe it when I see it.
Kirk didn’t work because of the formation we played - the issue was more about the lack of joined up thinking between playing and scouting staff. We relied on stats more than what was practical to the desired formation.
we need a manager in place who has a clear vision and a plan - the rest falls in to place after that point. Well, That's the thinking anyway
He blabbed to Connor about his contract.
His Dad has been giving him jobs for years.
Carry on thinking all will be rosey!Because that’s what plenty of people are doing
people who have no fucking clue about what happens behind the scenes
im sure Thomas wants all the negativity. I reckon he loves looking at the millions he’s thrown at us only to be told he’s a penniless chancer
what do people want from the club? The man paying the bills is going to trust family above anyone else because they aren’t going to stab him in the back at the first opportunity. As I’ve said many times this club has been in a horrific decline for a number of years with a number of owners - it will take time to get us going in the right direction again but it will take longer as long as the fans want to snipe at EVERYTHING the club does
A lot of people don't take a snipe at everything he does and still think the idea of employing anyone, including, Roddy, to head up a recruitment team that has never fucking done the job before is stupid.
Blind faith that Martin is a nice guy and trying really hard, which I am sure are both true, don't cut it for me. But remember he discovered Fraser who everyone had forgotten about apparently, so it's all good.
because he did
Read what I wrote, not what you think I wrote.Swisdom said:
Maybe Roddy played a sizeable role in the Cat 1 academy process. ……Cafc43v3r said:
To be fair there is a third way.Swisdom said:
Yes you’re probably right. We should all take to social media and tell him to fuck off. That’s bound to have the desired effect.supaclive said:
MS has had significant involvement for a while.Swisdom said:
Everyone has already decided Martin is not bringing anything to the table before he’s had a chance to prove or disprove it though!Cafc43v3r said:
The reason people think it's inept is because we have eyes and saw the clusterfuck that happened last summer.Swisdom said:There are something like 300 players we are currently monitoring and assessing. The club are actually doing stuff and have been for some time.
unfortunately there are things that happen that we know nothing of and have no control over but they still sometimes happen. What is important is to know we most definitely are working on this.
A lot doesn’t get out into the public domain and the club do get hit over the head with it sometimes. No we are not perfect but we are nowhere near as inept as some people want to make out. I just don’t understand the agenda of some!
The "data" produced two players that were actually quite good and Kirk. We were still 5 or 6 players short so we resorted to Gallen begging his mates to lend or recommend players.
If the attitude is well Martin (zero football experience) has replaced Roddy (little recruitment experience) so this time it will be better, well put me down as I will believe it when I see it.
Kirk didn’t work because of the formation we played - the issue was more about the lack of joined up thinking between playing and scouting staff. We relied on stats more than what was practical to the desired formation.
we need a manager in place who has a clear vision and a plan - the rest falls in to place after that point. Well, That's the thinking anyway
He blabbed to Connor about his contract.
His Dad has been giving him jobs for years.
Carry on thinking all will be rosey!Because that’s what plenty of people are doing
people who have no fucking clue about what happens behind the scenes
im sure Thomas wants all the negativity. I reckon he loves looking at the millions he’s thrown at us only to be told he’s a penniless chancer
what do people want from the club? The man paying the bills is going to trust family above anyone else because they aren’t going to stab him in the back at the first opportunity. As I’ve said many times this club has been in a horrific decline for a number of years with a number of owners - it will take time to get us going in the right direction again but it will take longer as long as the fans want to snipe at EVERYTHING the club does
A lot of people don't take a snipe at everything he does and still think the idea of employing anyone, including, Roddy, to head up a recruitment team that has never fucking done the job before is stupid.
Blind faith that Martin is a nice guy and trying really hard, which I am sure are both true, don't cut it for me. But remember he discovered Fraser who everyone had forgotten about apparently, so it's all good.
because he did
Roddy had a lot of value to add in terms of the academy and coaching development. What Roddy had no business in was being in charge of a league one recruitment campaign that needed in excess of 10 players. Because he had never done it, or anything similar before!
Guess what he ballsed it up! I don't how ever find it hard to believe he had a positive influence on the stuff he is good at and is his bread and butter.
I have said for, well about a year, that Roddy had a great CV, for a different job to the one he was doing. I would feel the same way if Steve Avory was suddenly announced has head of first team recruitment.
At least Roddy had experience in football, other than blind faith what have I got to fall back on with Martin?
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His failure of a season netted 2 goals less than one of Washington's best seasons?Callumcafc said:
It's obviously important but it's not like we're comparing a 46 game a year player with Ryan Inniss. Washington plays plenty of games per season.SELR_addicks said:
Marquis has more games a season because he never gets injured.Callumcafc said:Strip out Washington's Championship appearances and Marquis's League Two appearances. At L1 level only, Washington has 49 goals in 152 appearances. Marquis has 68 goals in 202 appearances.
Marquis goals per game ratio is marginally better (0.3366 vs 0.3223). Moving away from the comparisons for a second, I would argue his career is already on a downwards slope at the age of 29. He's not wanted by Portsmouth and didn't pull up any trees while at Lincoln. I thought we were meant to be moving away from players that have already played their best football.
EDIT: I forgot to include the 11 appearances, 0 goals Marquis made for Millwall at this level. That makes his record 68 in 213 appearances for 0.3192 average.
Washington's goals per game ratio of games he's injured for is 0. Maybe we should start looking at how many games a player plays over a season as a good thing, rather than trying to push down his 'goals per game ratio'. Marquis consistently has scored more goals over seasons than Washington.
Marquis has had five full seasons at this level. Washington has had four and a half. If you don't like goals per game, let's do goals and appearances per season...
Marquis: 40.4 appearances, 13.6 goals
Washington: 33.8 appearances, 10.8 goals
Difference: 6.6 appearances, 2.8 goals
You could argue it's a marginal upgrade based on historical output but we need better than marginal for a first choice option. As already said, I believe Marquis is another player who is about fall off a cliff a la Watson, Gunter, Arter. He's just had a failure of a six months at Lincoln. He's not what we need if we are serious about improving.
Are you comfortable with our four strikers next season being Stockley, Marquis, Aneke and Davison?
His 'failure' at Lincoln with 5 goals is more than Washington since January in that time (4).
Would I be comfortable with our four strikers being those? No of course not.
Am I going to cry that Thomas has dumped Washington and pretty much got an upgrade? No.
Davison will be sold and we'll get a striker to rival/start ahead of Stockley in an ideal world.0 -
Marquis doesn’t fit the criteria for me. He’s 30 next week, he doesn’t improve our first 11, he won’t be good enough for the league above, and is he an upgrade on Washington? Not in my eyes.
Lots of work the club are doing but I just can’t see any of it coming to fruition until we have a manager in place as any player in their right mind would not join a club before they know who the manager is and they’ve had a conversation of how they fit into the plans, not how the owner thinks they fit in.11 -
Maybe we are going to get all the players then they can have a chat with the manager and tell him how they all fit in?Sage said:Marquis doesn’t fit the criteria for me. He’s 30 next week, he doesn’t improve our first 11, he won’t be good enough for the league above, and is he an upgrade on Washington? Not in my eyes.
Lots of work the club are doing but I just can’t see any of it coming to fruition until we have a manager in place as any player in their right mind would not join a club before they know who the manager is and they’ve had a conversation of how they fit into the plans, not how the owner thinks they fit in.0 -
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If Taylor thinks so, yes. If not no. If we get Taylor. :-)ForeverAddickted said:Is Matt Jay (Exeter) worth looking at if we bring in Taylor?1 -
Reading the Cawley tweet this is my take on it. That reads like MS is identifying the players then SG is negotiating the contracts presumably after TS rubber stamps it.Covered End said:
I think they both suggest players, but my intuition is that MS suggests more than SG.seth plum said:Or does Martin Sandgaard suggest specific players?3 -
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Thanks Martin. Good to have it cleared up.Swisdom said:There are something like 300 players we are currently monitoring and assessing. The club are actually doing stuff and have been for some time.
unfortunately there are things that happen that we know nothing of and have no control over but they still sometimes happen. What is important is to know we most definitely are working on this.
A lot doesn’t get out into the public domain and the club do get hit over the head with it sometimes. No we are not perfect but we are nowhere near as inept as some people want to make out. I just don’t understand the agenda of some!0 -
the footballing future of our club is being decided by 2 men who have little football experience but theyare deciding who we keep and who we bring in and by inference what style of football will be played - it is madness. I'm sure Sandgaard would not put his own business in the hands of a footballer.8
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Indeed.eaststandmike said:
Reading the Cawley tweet this is my take on it. That reads like MS is identifying the players then SG is negotiating the contracts presumably after TS rubber stamps it.Covered End said:
I think they both suggest players, but my intuition is that MS suggests more than SG.seth plum said:Or does Martin Sandgaard suggest specific players?
This is why I posted that Rich Cawley's words had confirmed what SOME of us on here had already surmised.
I wonder whether any Lifers still think this is pure speculation ?2 -
This system was described in public a few times by TS, one of which I believe was the CAST zoom call, also a fan's forum? Cawley didn't 'out' it, they've been quite honest about how it works.Fanny Fanackapan said:
Indeed.eaststandmike said:
Reading the Cawley tweet this is my take on it. That reads like MS is identifying the players then SG is negotiating the contracts presumably after TS rubber stamps it.Covered End said:
I think they both suggest players, but my intuition is that MS suggests more than SG.seth plum said:Or does Martin Sandgaard suggest specific players?
This is why I posted that Rich Cawley's words had confirmed what SOME of us on here had already surmised.
I wonder whether any Lifers still think this is pure speculation ?5 -
That there was a second shooter?addick1956 said:
Sadly we are not quite on our third manager yet and if the rumour about J F-K is true perhaps that is part of the reason. Who is it going to be ?Cafc43v3r said:
Tbf we are on our third (as yet unappointed) manager since he signed it.SomervilleAddick said:
The bottom line - he didn’t have to sign the contract which allowed this to happen. If he thought we’d get him through his rehab, pay him for not playing and then let him walk, he’s utterly deluded. If he is unhappy about this turn of events ( and we only have here say evidence of that), then the only person he can blame is himself.Garrymanilow said:I think we're in he same place on principle, but it's just use of the word owe that I don't really agree with. We did something that helped him, with the hopeful effect that it would benefit us down the line but knowing that we might get nothing out of it other than helping an employee out. I don't think Jake 'owes' us in terms of an obligation bing put on him, I think he's free to make that decision and you hope that the support he received makes him want to give back. He may feel that he owes us but that's something he generates for himself.9 -
OK, I stand corrected.Chunes said:
This system was described in public a few times by TS, one of which I believe was the CAST zoom call, also a fan's forum? Cawley didn't 'out' it, they've been quite honest about how it works.Fanny Fanackapan said:
Indeed.eaststandmike said:
Reading the Cawley tweet this is my take on it. That reads like MS is identifying the players then SG is negotiating the contracts presumably after TS rubber stamps it.Covered End said:
I think they both suggest players, but my intuition is that MS suggests more than SG.seth plum said:Or does Martin Sandgaard suggest specific players?
This is why I posted that Rich Cawley's words had confirmed what SOME of us on here had already surmised.
I wonder whether any Lifers still think this is pure speculation ?
TBH, I view this "modern" method of player recruitment very concerning &, as such, it's possibly become my bete noire - to the extent that I have a tendency to "jump in" at the slightest mention.
The fact that it is the modus operandi conducted by someone with minimal experience, or indeed knowledge, of the game increases my concern exponentially.
However, I don't believe I'm alone in questioning whether this is in fact happening at our club, regardless of whether it has been confirmed " a few times" before.
I refer to the previous 2 comments, posted by @eaststandmike and @seth plum who I'm pretty sure are far more attentive & knowledgeable than me.
But, as someone once held in high regard on here, said, it is what it is and only time will tell whether it's the best thing since sliced bread & a fantastic way of identifying those lads who will make all the difference to our squad, or whether, as Tommy D was told in no uncertain terms only a couple of years ago, "What the feck!!".
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Does Sparrows Lane have a grassy knoll?North Lower Neil said:
That there was a second shooter?addick1956 said:
Sadly we are not quite on our third manager yet and if the rumour about J F-K is true perhaps that is part of the reason. Who is it going to be ?Cafc43v3r said:
Tbf we are on our third (as yet unappointed) manager since he signed it.SomervilleAddick said:
The bottom line - he didn’t have to sign the contract which allowed this to happen. If he thought we’d get him through his rehab, pay him for not playing and then let him walk, he’s utterly deluded. If he is unhappy about this turn of events ( and we only have here say evidence of that), then the only person he can blame is himself.Garrymanilow said:I think we're in he same place on principle, but it's just use of the word owe that I don't really agree with. We did something that helped him, with the hopeful effect that it would benefit us down the line but knowing that we might get nothing out of it other than helping an employee out. I don't think Jake 'owes' us in terms of an obligation bing put on him, I think he's free to make that decision and you hope that the support he received makes him want to give back. He may feel that he owes us but that's something he generates for himself.0 -
I genuinely don't have a closed mind, but I can't see how this ends up working well.Swisdom said:
Yes you’re probably right. We should all take to social media and tell him to fuck off. That’s bound to have the desired effect.supaclive said:
MS has had significant involvement for a while.Swisdom said:
Everyone has already decided Martin is not bringing anything to the table before he’s had a chance to prove or disprove it though!Cafc43v3r said:
The reason people think it's inept is because we have eyes and saw the clusterfuck that happened last summer.Swisdom said:There are something like 300 players we are currently monitoring and assessing. The club are actually doing stuff and have been for some time.
unfortunately there are things that happen that we know nothing of and have no control over but they still sometimes happen. What is important is to know we most definitely are working on this.
A lot doesn’t get out into the public domain and the club do get hit over the head with it sometimes. No we are not perfect but we are nowhere near as inept as some people want to make out. I just don’t understand the agenda of some!
The "data" produced two players that were actually quite good and Kirk. We were still 5 or 6 players short so we resorted to Gallen begging his mates to lend or recommend players.
If the attitude is well Martin (zero football experience) has replaced Roddy (little recruitment experience) so this time it will be better, well put me down as I will believe it when I see it.
Kirk didn’t work because of the formation we played - the issue was more about the lack of joined up thinking between playing and scouting staff. We relied on stats more than what was practical to the desired formation.
we need a manager in place who has a clear vision and a plan - the rest falls in to place after that point. Well, That's the thinking anyway
He blabbed to Connor about his contract.
His Dad has been giving him jobs for years.
Carry on thinking all will be rosey!Because that’s what plenty of people are doing
people who have no fucking clue about what happens behind the scenes
im sure Thomas wants all the negativity. I reckon he loves looking at the millions he’s thrown at us only to be told he’s a penniless chancer
what do people want from the club? The man paying the bills is going to trust family above anyone else because they aren’t going to stab him in the back at the first opportunity. As I’ve said many times this club has been in a horrific decline for a number of years with a number of owners - it will take time to get us going in the right direction again but it will take longer as long as the fans want to snipe at EVERYTHING the club does
He simply isn't qualified to do this job. At all.
The post where it was questioned would TS get a footballer to run his medical business is a prime example.
TS has a lot of credit but he is just going to waste his millions the way he has set up our recruitment.
As a fan, I would like him to stay around, employ a better, more "football" experienced CEO, get a young progressive manager on board and realise next season is not the cake walk he wants it to be.
We finished 13th in League 1.
If you are happy with that so be it. I'm not. We should do better. We have no manager, one full back and a need for realistically 10 players. 4-5 permanent minimum and 6 excellent loans.
Right now, I don't think we will get what we need. This is a forum, with opinions.
Ours differ.
That's allowed.
I just don't trust the current process.16 -
It seems the current thing is to make an argument/ counter argument but completely leave out the point and/ or issue.
Jackson's contract - "well he should have finished 8th and had his contract extended then!!"
Washington going - "why you crying though! we need a better first choice!"
The eternal recruitment debate - "even the dog and duck use data!!!!!1!"
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