Summer 2022 transfer rumours (Gilbey loan confirmed p513, a signing falls through last minute p541)

Six-a-bag-of-nuts

Cafc43v3r said:

Six-a-bag-of-nuts said:

Cafc43v3r said:

Scoham said:

supaclive said:

The simplest point is why sign JFC.  To get a transfer fee that is non existent?  Madness.

I don’t think that’s why, I think as a former POTY and someone JJ would have kept the club assumed any new manager would want him.

I expect the extension option be triggered after the season ended (I saw that mentioned somewhere relating to another player) and presumably had a deadline for it to be done by, which was probably before Garner could have his input.

Whatever it is there’s something about his game that Garner doesn’t rate or see fitting in the system. I can only think it’s related to a lack of mobility and/or his passing style, on paper I think most of our fans would say he could fit into this team. Some would still want him as a starter.

I think it is a lot more complicated than that.

All things being equal Garner would be happy with JFC as one of his 6.  They aren't equal.

The best thing for everyone is now for JFC to leave the club.  The problem is where.  He can only move downwards until he proves his fitness.  

How is it more complicated? Why aren't things equal?

There is an "issue" with his contract.  

Are you able to elaborate?
He's a decent player and it seems daft that we have boxed ourselves into some sort of corner with him

ButtleJR

_MrDick said:

So, TS headed back to the US after the Cambridge game. I thought he would’ve waited until after the end of the window had closed unless the business is done? New signings lined up? Who’s in charge? Should we be worried?

TS is currently based in England until at least the end of this year, if he's gone to the US he will be back shortly. 

Oh Eddie Youds...

killerandflash said:

TEL said:

DOUCHER said:

TEL said:

Chris_from_Sidcup said:

TEL said:

I don't agree that a striker won't come to us as he won't play every week.... now there are five subs of course they will.... might spur Stockley on as well... still don't think he fits the system though.

Plus of course if a striker is coming on loan then you'd assume it's because he's got almost zero chance of playing at his own club. So playing a bit for us is obviously better than nothing at wherever he is.

I think there is a great opportunity for someone to come in and make the CF position their own. 

agreed - as has been said a million times - stockley is decent at what target men do - but he isn't ideal for what we are doing and is a definite position to be upgraded if we are to get promoted - regardless of all the guff about others scoring and wide forwards arriving at the back post and all that - if you don't have a striker playing on the shoulder, you've lost half your attacking options  

Remains to be seen if those at the club feel the same. I think they may have snookered themselves by making Stockley captain. Having said that Pearce was dropped fairly frequently 

Stockley comes across as a really nice bloke but whilst playing all he seems to do is give a thumbs up when acknowledging a good ball he failed to connect to or waving his arms about and whining. As good a target man he undoubtedly is, it doesn't suit this game plan. 

Stockley to me seems a good captain off the pitch, but is a bit moany and self centred on the pitch for a captain

Far bigger problems for him are his pace and inability to score from open play with his feet.

Nothing against Stockley personally (seems a great bloke) but we simply need our main striker to be able to score more than 1-2 goals a season from open play with their feet.

Scoham

ButtleJR said:

_MrDick said:

So, TS headed back to the US after the Cambridge game. I thought he would’ve waited until after the end of the window had closed unless the business is done? New signings lined up? Who’s in charge? Should we be worried?

TS is currently based in England until at least the end of this year, if he's gone to the US he will be back shortly. 

That’s unusual for him isn’t it? Could fuel the rumours he’s looking for investors or a sale…

LargeAddick

Scoham said:

ButtleJR said:

_MrDick said:

So, TS headed back to the US after the Cambridge game. I thought he would’ve waited until after the end of the window had closed unless the business is done? New signings lined up? Who’s in charge? Should we be worried?

TS is currently based in England until at least the end of this year, if he's gone to the US he will be back shortly. 

That’s unusual for him isn’t it? Could fuel the rumours he’s looking for investors or a sale…

Or he realises he needs to be more hands on than he originally intentioned. that or appoint a CEO.

Dazzler21

Six-a-bag-of-nuts said:

Cafc43v3r said:

Six-a-bag-of-nuts said:

Cafc43v3r said:

Scoham said:

supaclive said:

The simplest point is why sign JFC.  To get a transfer fee that is non existent?  Madness.

I don’t think that’s why, I think as a former POTY and someone JJ would have kept the club assumed any new manager would want him.

I expect the extension option be triggered after the season ended (I saw that mentioned somewhere relating to another player) and presumably had a deadline for it to be done by, which was probably before Garner could have his input.

Whatever it is there’s something about his game that Garner doesn’t rate or see fitting in the system. I can only think it’s related to a lack of mobility and/or his passing style, on paper I think most of our fans would say he could fit into this team. Some would still want him as a starter.

I think it is a lot more complicated than that.

All things being equal Garner would be happy with JFC as one of his 6.  They aren't equal.

The best thing for everyone is now for JFC to leave the club.  The problem is where.  He can only move downwards until he proves his fitness.  

How is it more complicated? Why aren't things equal?

There is an "issue" with his contract.  

Are you able to elaborate?
He's a decent player and it seems daft that we have boxed ourselves into some sort of corner with him

As I understand it (and it's possible/probable I am incorrect), there was a salary cut written into his contract if the additional year was triggered by the club. Basically the intention was to try to sell him on, but not have to keep paying him a large salary until he went.

Not sure if there was a salary increase based on performance numbers written into it also. 

swordfish

charltonbob said:

SheedyCAFC said:

Are we really that strapped for cash we can’t afford paying 500k for McKirdy, or is it just downplaying it so that clubs/agents don’t try think we’ve got money to burn?

Well sandgaard wants to cut losses from 8 mill to 4 mill this season. How long before staff are banned from eating crisps at their desks ?

As custodian of the Club, he has a duty to try and minimise losses. No one wants to see the losses increase. RD ran up huge debts and we are now effectively indebted to him for them as he still wants to recover them in his asking price for the Valley & SL.

I would say having debts lessens the prospects of another buyer appearing who might be prepared to take us on, but we all know football's a funny old game and we are just an insane multi billionaire with no respect for the FFP rules or financial prudence away from the big time. I can't for the life of me understand why they're not queuing up. 

On thread, I predict at least one player transfer to happen today, either way to keep it vague.

robinofottershaw

swordfish said:

charltonbob said:

SheedyCAFC said:

Are we really that strapped for cash we can’t afford paying 500k for McKirdy, or is it just downplaying it so that clubs/agents don’t try think we’ve got money to burn?

Well sandgaard wants to cut losses from 8 mill to 4 mill this season. How long before staff are banned from eating crisps at their desks ?

As custodian of the Club, he has a duty to try and minimise losses. No one wants to see the losses increase. RD ran up huge debts and we are now effectively indebted to him for them as he still wants to recover them in his asking price for the Valley & SL.

I would say having debts lessens the prospects of another buyer appearing who might be prepared to take us on, but we all know football's a funny old game and we are just an insane multi billionaire with no respect for the FFP rules or financial prudence away from the big time. I can't for the life of me understand why they're not queuing up. 

On thread, I predict at least one player transfer to happen today, either way to keep it vague.

You are undoubtedly right. The problem is, until that insane multi billionaire comes along to buy Charlton it is almost inevitable they will just keep bob, bob, bobbing along as a lower level league club. It's either that or we land on a manager who can produce miracles with relatively slim financial resources. Over the past few years we seem to have managed to work our way through a long list of candidates who have tried to do that. We will soon see if Ben Garner is that man.

eastterrace6168

Mendonca In Asdas said:

RonnieMoore said:

Lyle Taylor can leave on a free according to Forest today 

I think there’s more chance of me signing for. Charlton, and I’m in my 50’s!!!

Age is just a number...can you pass the height test, if so you're in..

Cafc43v3r

Scoham said:

ButtleJR said:

_MrDick said:

So, TS headed back to the US after the Cambridge game. I thought he would’ve waited until after the end of the window had closed unless the business is done? New signings lined up? Who’s in charge? Should we be worried?

TS is currently based in England until at least the end of this year, if he's gone to the US he will be back shortly. 

That’s unusual for him isn’t it? Could fuel the rumours he’s looking for investors or a sale…

Or just sorting the shit out?

Cafc43v3r

Dazzler21 said:

Six-a-bag-of-nuts said:

Cafc43v3r said:

Six-a-bag-of-nuts said:

Cafc43v3r said:

Scoham said:

supaclive said:

The simplest point is why sign JFC.  To get a transfer fee that is non existent?  Madness.

I don’t think that’s why, I think as a former POTY and someone JJ would have kept the club assumed any new manager would want him.

I expect the extension option be triggered after the season ended (I saw that mentioned somewhere relating to another player) and presumably had a deadline for it to be done by, which was probably before Garner could have his input.

Whatever it is there’s something about his game that Garner doesn’t rate or see fitting in the system. I can only think it’s related to a lack of mobility and/or his passing style, on paper I think most of our fans would say he could fit into this team. Some would still want him as a starter.

I think it is a lot more complicated than that.

All things being equal Garner would be happy with JFC as one of his 6.  They aren't equal.

The best thing for everyone is now for JFC to leave the club.  The problem is where.  He can only move downwards until he proves his fitness.  

How is it more complicated? Why aren't things equal?

There is an "issue" with his contract.  

Are you able to elaborate?
He's a decent player and it seems daft that we have boxed ourselves into some sort of corner with him

As I understand it (and it's possible/probable I am incorrect), there was a salary cut written into his contract if the additional year was triggered by the club. Basically the intention was to try to sell him on, but not have to keep paying him a large salary until he went.

Not sure if there was a salary increase based on performance numbers written into it also. 

I think it was more of the case the whole contract was a massive salary cut, which was fair enough as he was injured.

The original issue, again I could be wrong, is he couldn’t, or the club won't let him,  prove his recovery.  I suspect that's both true, from a certain POV.

Now no one who can afford him, will buy him until/unless he proves his recovery.

We are now in a situation where we might end up paying him to play for someone else, that he doesn't want to play for, just to get out of a situation that was avoidable by both sides.  At a number of points.

I still don't believe that it's JFC being here that has prevented us signing a striker.

CafcSCP

No doubt JFC will get a run out tonight. Hopefully prospective suitors will be watching.

Scoham

Cafc43v3r said:

Dazzler21 said:

Six-a-bag-of-nuts said:

Cafc43v3r said:

Six-a-bag-of-nuts said:

Cafc43v3r said:

Scoham said:

supaclive said:

The simplest point is why sign JFC.  To get a transfer fee that is non existent?  Madness.

I don’t think that’s why, I think as a former POTY and someone JJ would have kept the club assumed any new manager would want him.

I expect the extension option be triggered after the season ended (I saw that mentioned somewhere relating to another player) and presumably had a deadline for it to be done by, which was probably before Garner could have his input.

Whatever it is there’s something about his game that Garner doesn’t rate or see fitting in the system. I can only think it’s related to a lack of mobility and/or his passing style, on paper I think most of our fans would say he could fit into this team. Some would still want him as a starter.

I think it is a lot more complicated than that.

All things being equal Garner would be happy with JFC as one of his 6.  They aren't equal.

The best thing for everyone is now for JFC to leave the club.  The problem is where.  He can only move downwards until he proves his fitness.  

How is it more complicated? Why aren't things equal?

There is an "issue" with his contract.  

Are you able to elaborate?
He's a decent player and it seems daft that we have boxed ourselves into some sort of corner with him

As I understand it (and it's possible/probable I am incorrect), there was a salary cut written into his contract if the additional year was triggered by the club. Basically the intention was to try to sell him on, but not have to keep paying him a large salary until he went.

Not sure if there was a salary increase based on performance numbers written into it also. 

I think it was more of the case the whole contract was a massive salary cut, which was fair enough as he was injured.

The original issue, again I could be wrong, is he couldn’t, or the club won't let him,  prove his recovery.  I suspect that's both true, from a certain POV.

Now no one who can afford him, will buy him until/unless he proves his recovery.

We are now in a situation where we might end up paying him to play for someone else, that he doesn't want to play for, just to get out of a situation that was avoidable by both sides.  At a number of points.

I still don't believe that it's JFC being here that has prevented us signing a striker.

If he’s taken a massive salary cut then why can no one afford him? Wouldn’t that make a move a lot easier, as a new contract should at least be equal to what he’s now earning?

If he’s expecting a new club to pay him what he was earning a few years ago then is he being unrealistic?

billysboots

Scoham said:

Cafc43v3r said:

Dazzler21 said:

Six-a-bag-of-nuts said:

Cafc43v3r said:

Six-a-bag-of-nuts said:

Cafc43v3r said:

Scoham said:

supaclive said:

The simplest point is why sign JFC.  To get a transfer fee that is non existent?  Madness.

I don’t think that’s why, I think as a former POTY and someone JJ would have kept the club assumed any new manager would want him.

I expect the extension option be triggered after the season ended (I saw that mentioned somewhere relating to another player) and presumably had a deadline for it to be done by, which was probably before Garner could have his input.

Whatever it is there’s something about his game that Garner doesn’t rate or see fitting in the system. I can only think it’s related to a lack of mobility and/or his passing style, on paper I think most of our fans would say he could fit into this team. Some would still want him as a starter.

I think it is a lot more complicated than that.

All things being equal Garner would be happy with JFC as one of his 6.  They aren't equal.

The best thing for everyone is now for JFC to leave the club.  The problem is where.  He can only move downwards until he proves his fitness.  

How is it more complicated? Why aren't things equal?

There is an "issue" with his contract.  

Are you able to elaborate?
He's a decent player and it seems daft that we have boxed ourselves into some sort of corner with him

As I understand it (and it's possible/probable I am incorrect), there was a salary cut written into his contract if the additional year was triggered by the club. Basically the intention was to try to sell him on, but not have to keep paying him a large salary until he went.

Not sure if there was a salary increase based on performance numbers written into it also. 

I think it was more of the case the whole contract was a massive salary cut, which was fair enough as he was injured.

The original issue, again I could be wrong, is he couldn’t, or the club won't let him,  prove his recovery.  I suspect that's both true, from a certain POV.

Now no one who can afford him, will buy him until/unless he proves his recovery.

We are now in a situation where we might end up paying him to play for someone else, that he doesn't want to play for, just to get out of a situation that was avoidable by both sides.  At a number of points.

I still don't believe that it's JFC being here that has prevented us signing a striker.

If he’s taken a massive salary cut then why can no one afford him? Wouldn’t that make a move a lot easier, as a new contract should at least be equal to what he’s now earning?

If he’s expecting a new club to pay him what he was earning a few years ago then is he being unrealistic?

I think if he had had a chance to prove his fitness then that may not be an issue. IMO the issue is that another club would be taking a risk in signing him now - without a run of games behind him , and therefore would be reluctant to sign him on a contract apart from a pay as you play. from JFC's point of view , no matter if he is earning less than he was a few years ago , a Pay as you play contract is not the way he wants to go. So either the club loans him out and pays his wages or they find someone to take a chance. 

SouthLincsAddick

robinofottershaw said:

swordfish said:

charltonbob said:

SheedyCAFC said:

Are we really that strapped for cash we can’t afford paying 500k for McKirdy, or is it just downplaying it so that clubs/agents don’t try think we’ve got money to burn?

Well sandgaard wants to cut losses from 8 mill to 4 mill this season. How long before staff are banned from eating crisps at their desks ?

As custodian of the Club, he has a duty to try and minimise losses. No one wants to see the losses increase. RD ran up huge debts and we are now effectively indebted to him for them as he still wants to recover them in his asking price for the Valley & SL.

I would say having debts lessens the prospects of another buyer appearing who might be prepared to take us on, but we all know football's a funny old game and we are just an insane multi billionaire with no respect for the FFP rules or financial prudence away from the big time. I can't for the life of me understand why they're not queuing up. 

On thread, I predict at least one player transfer to happen today, either way to keep it vague.

You are undoubtedly right. The problem is, until that insane multi billionaire comes along to buy Charlton it is almost inevitable they will just keep bob, bob, bobbing along as a lower level league club. It's either that or we land on a manager who can produce miracles with relatively slim financial resources. Over the past few years we seem to have managed to work our way through a long list of candidates who have tried to do that. We will soon see if Ben Garner is that man.

I reckon we’ll be fortunate to bob along because we’re only a step away from falling into the hands of crooks again. Until we get the Valley and TG from Roland we’re still a hamstrung club. 

_MrDick

ButtleJR said:

_MrDick said:

So, TS headed back to the US after the Cambridge game. I thought he would’ve waited until after the end of the window had closed unless the business is done? New signings lined up? Who’s in charge? Should we be worried?

TS is currently based in England until at least the end of this year, if he's gone to the US he will be back shortly. 

He’s probably gone to get some clean underwear 

MuttleyCAFC

JamesSeed said:

What happens before the famous slamming shut will potentially be massive for the club. 

No signings, and I think we struggle to make the play offs.
The right signings and we’ll be in with a decent shout. 

Peterborough, Ipswich, Wednesday and Portsmouth look to have very strong squads, and will probably finish above us. Then there’s Bolton and Derby. 

Sandgaard would be crazy not to invest right now.

Maybe but can you see the potential flaw there?

Cafc43v3r

Scoham said:

Cafc43v3r said:

Dazzler21 said:

Six-a-bag-of-nuts said:

Cafc43v3r said:

Six-a-bag-of-nuts said:

Cafc43v3r said:

Scoham said:

supaclive said:

The simplest point is why sign JFC.  To get a transfer fee that is non existent?  Madness.

I don’t think that’s why, I think as a former POTY and someone JJ would have kept the club assumed any new manager would want him.

I expect the extension option be triggered after the season ended (I saw that mentioned somewhere relating to another player) and presumably had a deadline for it to be done by, which was probably before Garner could have his input.

Whatever it is there’s something about his game that Garner doesn’t rate or see fitting in the system. I can only think it’s related to a lack of mobility and/or his passing style, on paper I think most of our fans would say he could fit into this team. Some would still want him as a starter.

I think it is a lot more complicated than that.

All things being equal Garner would be happy with JFC as one of his 6.  They aren't equal.

The best thing for everyone is now for JFC to leave the club.  The problem is where.  He can only move downwards until he proves his fitness.  

How is it more complicated? Why aren't things equal?

There is an "issue" with his contract.  

Are you able to elaborate?
He's a decent player and it seems daft that we have boxed ourselves into some sort of corner with him

As I understand it (and it's possible/probable I am incorrect), there was a salary cut written into his contract if the additional year was triggered by the club. Basically the intention was to try to sell him on, but not have to keep paying him a large salary until he went.

Not sure if there was a salary increase based on performance numbers written into it also. 

I think it was more of the case the whole contract was a massive salary cut, which was fair enough as he was injured.

The original issue, again I could be wrong, is he couldn’t, or the club won't let him,  prove his recovery.  I suspect that's both true, from a certain POV.

Now no one who can afford him, will buy him until/unless he proves his recovery.

We are now in a situation where we might end up paying him to play for someone else, that he doesn't want to play for, just to get out of a situation that was avoidable by both sides.  At a number of points.

I still don't believe that it's JFC being here that has prevented us signing a striker.

If he’s taken a massive salary cut then why can no one afford him? Wouldn’t that make a move a lot easier, as a new contract should at least be equal to what he’s now earning?

If he’s expecting a new club to pay him what he was earning a few years ago then is he being unrealistic?

It's unrealistic if he hasn't recovered.  When he did the injury in the first place there was championship offers on the table.

He probably feels if he had either had a run of 10 odd games at the end of last season, or had been released at the end of his contract, allowing him to try and prove it else where, he would be able to get what he thinks he is worth, even if it was a new contract here.

DubaiCAFC

Scoham said:

ButtleJR said:

_MrDick said:

So, TS headed back to the US after the Cambridge game. I thought he would’ve waited until after the end of the window had closed unless the business is done? New signings lined up? Who’s in charge? Should we be worried?

TS is currently based in England until at least the end of this year, if he's gone to the US he will be back shortly. 

That’s unusual for him isn’t it? Could fuel the rumours he’s looking for investors or a sale…

Can't afford the cost of the flights with the cost fuel going up!! Tough time!!

swordfish

SouthLincsAddick said:

robinofottershaw said:

swordfish said:

charltonbob said:

SheedyCAFC said:

Are we really that strapped for cash we can’t afford paying 500k for McKirdy, or is it just downplaying it so that clubs/agents don’t try think we’ve got money to burn?

Well sandgaard wants to cut losses from 8 mill to 4 mill this season. How long before staff are banned from eating crisps at their desks ?

As custodian of the Club, he has a duty to try and minimise losses. No one wants to see the losses increase. RD ran up huge debts and we are now effectively indebted to him for them as he still wants to recover them in his asking price for the Valley & SL.

I would say having debts lessens the prospects of another buyer appearing who might be prepared to take us on, but we all know football's a funny old game and we are just an insane multi billionaire with no respect for the FFP rules or financial prudence away from the big time. I can't for the life of me understand why they're not queuing up. 

On thread, I predict at least one player transfer to happen today, either way to keep it vague.

You are undoubtedly right. The problem is, until that insane multi billionaire comes along to buy Charlton it is almost inevitable they will just keep bob, bob, bobbing along as a lower level league club. It's either that or we land on a manager who can produce miracles with relatively slim financial resources. Over the past few years we seem to have managed to work our way through a long list of candidates who have tried to do that. We will soon see if Ben Garner is that man.

I reckon we’ll be fortunate to bob along because we’re only a step away from falling into the hands of crooks again. Until we get the Valley and TG from Roland we’re still a hamstrung club. 

I agree, but getting back to Mckirdy for a fee, I'm not sure I wouldn't prefer to take another hungry Premier League wannabe on loan. After all, anyone who comes through the door is a gamble guaranteeing jack shit.

That said, "Can you hear me Mr Sandgaard. Your boys need help up front. If he's the one Garner wants, for goodness sake back him, buy him, and let the chips fall as they may."

Swisdom

_MrDick said:

So, TS headed back to the US after the Cambridge game. I thought he would’ve waited until after the end of the window had closed unless the business is done? New signings lined up? Who’s in charge? Should we be worried?

They’ve been over for 6 weeks and he’s coming back at the end of this week.  Perhaps he’s gone to see his own family or one of his other businesses?

MrBurns

I've heard we're looking at Izzy Brown

ForeverAddickted

MrBurns said:

I've heard we're looking at Izzy Brown

The sobbing you can hear is the distant sound of our Physios hearing that news

Mrkinski

MrBurns said:

I've heard we're looking at Izzy Brown

Looks like he hasn’t played for over a year, and has a bad injury record. We really are shopping in the bargain basement if this is true. 

killerandflash

ButtleJR said:

_MrDick said:

So, TS headed back to the US after the Cambridge game. I thought he would’ve waited until after the end of the window had closed unless the business is done? New signings lined up? Who’s in charge? Should we be worried?

TS is currently based in England until at least the end of this year, if he's gone to the US he will be back shortly. 

I wonder what US investors in Zynex think. Yes they have professional managers to run the business, but I'd be concerned if the founder was spending most of the time either running a football club in another country (with no real Zynex presence) or playing in a rock band.

ElliotCAFC

MrBurns said:

I've heard we're looking at Izzy Brown

That’s exactly what we don’t need right now. 

robinofottershaw

ElliotCAFC said:

MrBurns said:

I've heard we're looking at Izzy Brown

That’s exactly what we don’t need right now. 

I had to Google him. The bible that is Wiki says 1 goal in the last 58 game spread across playing for 5 clubs!

shirty5

Izzy wizzy let’s get busy 

golfaddick

ForeverAddickted said:

MrBurns said:

I've heard we're looking at Izzy Brown

The sobbing you can hear is the distant sound of our Physios hearing that news

I'd have thought they'd be ecstatic- keeps them in a job !

NabySarr

robinofottershaw said:

ElliotCAFC said:

MrBurns said:

I've heard we're looking at Izzy Brown

That’s exactly what we don’t need right now. 

I had to Google him. The bible that is Wiki says 1 goal in the last 58 game spread across playing for 5 clubs!

Guess which team was unlucky enough to concede that 1 goal! Scored the winner against us for Luton in our championship season