Summer 2022 transfer rumours (Gilbey loan confirmed p513, a signing falls through last minute p541)

TEL

Chris_from_Sidcup said:

TEL said:

I don't agree that a striker won't come to us as he won't play every week.... now there are five subs of course they will.... might spur Stockley on as well... still don't think he fits the system though.

Plus of course if a striker is coming on loan then you'd assume it's because he's got almost zero chance of playing at his own club. So playing a bit for us is obviously better than nothing at wherever he is.

I think there is a great opportunity for someone to come in and make the CF position their own. 

supaclive

The simplest point is why sign JFC.  To get a transfer fee that is non existent?  Madness.

DOUCHER

TEL said:

Chris_from_Sidcup said:

TEL said:

I don't agree that a striker won't come to us as he won't play every week.... now there are five subs of course they will.... might spur Stockley on as well... still don't think he fits the system though.

Plus of course if a striker is coming on loan then you'd assume it's because he's got almost zero chance of playing at his own club. So playing a bit for us is obviously better than nothing at wherever he is.

I think there is a great opportunity for someone to come in and make the CF position their own. 

agreed - as has been said a million times - stockley is decent at what target men do - but he isn't ideal for what we are doing and is a definite position to be upgraded if we are to get promoted - regardless of all the guff about others scoring and wide forwards arriving at the back post and all that - if you don't have a striker playing on the shoulder, you've lost half your attacking options  

ISawLeaburnScore

supaclive said:

The simplest point is why sign JFC.  To get a transfer fee that is non existent?  Madness.

This is why changing managers every season without a Director of Football structure in place is bonkers. New bloke comes in and doesn't like what he's given. So many of our issues come down to a lack of stability and continuity, in the majority of the club's structures and operations.

ShootersHillGuru

ISawLeaburnScore said:

supaclive said:

The simplest point is why sign JFC.  To get a transfer fee that is non existent?  Madness.

This is why changing managers every season without a Director of Football structure in place is bonkers. New bloke comes in and doesn't like what he's given. So many of our issues come down to a lack of stability and continuity, in the majority of the club's structures and operations.

I think Garner is safe from the sack unless we get relegated. Garner is a three year project in my opinion. I think it’ll take that long for him to build what he wants. 

Valley11

I personally think JFC has something to offer, and I don’t mean in a Ben Watson kind of way.
When the games come thick and fast in the winter and injuries hit, he’d be a good player to have around the squad, to come on with ten to go and steady the ship to a win or point, fending off the onslaught from some northern outpost team. 

sillav nitram

How many pages have people been discussing exactly the same topics but from different directions?

I really don’t know how people can talk for so long about anything that currently has no basis other than fiction.

You'd all make great politicians.

JamesSeed

Mendonca In Asdas said:

shirty5 said:

Not sure we’d want to bring him back, I think he might be past his best.

He’d be worth signing for his inside track on transfer dealings alone. 

BigRedEvil

Valley11 said:

I personally think JFC has something to offer, and I don’t mean in a Ben Watson kind of way.
When the games come thick and fast in the winter and injuries hit, he’d be a good player to have around the squad, to come on with ten to go and steady the ship to a win or point, fending off the onslaught from some northern outpost team. 

I thought JFC would have been a good option to bring on at the weekend when things weren't really working. 

Every game this season we've made similar subs which makes things a bit predictable 

Southbank

BigRedEvil said:

Valley11 said:

I personally think JFC has something to offer, and I don’t mean in a Ben Watson kind of way.
When the games come thick and fast in the winter and injuries hit, he’d be a good player to have around the squad, to come on with ten to go and steady the ship to a win or point, fending off the onslaught from some northern outpost team. 

I thought JFC would have been a good option to bring on at the weekend when things weren't really working. 

Every game this season we've made similar subs which makes things a bit predictable 

I have always liked JFC, but we need a striker more. I think Henry is ready to play some of the same kind of role as a sub.

TEL

DOUCHER said:

TEL said:

Chris_from_Sidcup said:

TEL said:

I don't agree that a striker won't come to us as he won't play every week.... now there are five subs of course they will.... might spur Stockley on as well... still don't think he fits the system though.

Plus of course if a striker is coming on loan then you'd assume it's because he's got almost zero chance of playing at his own club. So playing a bit for us is obviously better than nothing at wherever he is.

I think there is a great opportunity for someone to come in and make the CF position their own. 

agreed - as has been said a million times - stockley is decent at what target men do - but he isn't ideal for what we are doing and is a definite position to be upgraded if we are to get promoted - regardless of all the guff about others scoring and wide forwards arriving at the back post and all that - if you don't have a striker playing on the shoulder, you've lost half your attacking options  

Remains to be seen if those at the club feel the same. I think they may have snookered themselves by making Stockley captain. Having said that Pearce was dropped fairly frequently 

Stockley comes across as a really nice bloke but whilst playing all he seems to do is give a thumbs up when acknowledging a good ball he failed to connect to or waving his arms about and whining. As good a target man he undoubtedly is, it doesn't suit this game plan. 

mendonca

JFC's blockbuster/beckham style of passing won't suit this team. It showed v QPR with the numbed of flat angles balls delivered straight to the opposition goalie.

killerandflash

TEL said:

DOUCHER said:

TEL said:

Chris_from_Sidcup said:

TEL said:

I don't agree that a striker won't come to us as he won't play every week.... now there are five subs of course they will.... might spur Stockley on as well... still don't think he fits the system though.

Plus of course if a striker is coming on loan then you'd assume it's because he's got almost zero chance of playing at his own club. So playing a bit for us is obviously better than nothing at wherever he is.

I think there is a great opportunity for someone to come in and make the CF position their own. 

agreed - as has been said a million times - stockley is decent at what target men do - but he isn't ideal for what we are doing and is a definite position to be upgraded if we are to get promoted - regardless of all the guff about others scoring and wide forwards arriving at the back post and all that - if you don't have a striker playing on the shoulder, you've lost half your attacking options  

Remains to be seen if those at the club feel the same. I think they may have snookered themselves by making Stockley captain. Having said that Pearce was dropped fairly frequently 

Stockley comes across as a really nice bloke but whilst playing all he seems to do is give a thumbs up when acknowledging a good ball he failed to connect to or waving his arms about and whining. As good a target man he undoubtedly is, it doesn't suit this game plan. 

Stockley to me seems a good captain off the pitch, but is a bit moany and self centred on the pitch for a captain

JamesSeed

What happens before the famous slamming shut will potentially be massive for the club. 

No signings, and I think we struggle to make the play offs.
The right signings and we’ll be in with a decent shout. 

Peterborough, Ipswich, Wednesday and Portsmouth look to have very strong squads, and will probably finish above us. Then there’s Bolton and Derby. 

Sandgaard would be crazy not to invest right now.

CafcSCP

RC_CAFC said:

CafcSCP said:

RC_CAFC said:

Chunes said:

It's really not a big deal for me tbh. We've got a better team than we did last year. And the year before. And a better coach. If we don't have 500k to spend on a fourth striker, then ok. We've had worse problems. 

☝🏻☝🏻☝🏻☝🏻☝🏻

I think we will get another attacker in for what it’s worth, but we’re in such a better place than this time last year.

Definitely in a better place, but if we’d not let Washington go, then I’d say playoffs would be a good shout based on our performances so far.

Genuine question as I don’t know the answer.

Was it purely a case of we said ‘we don’t want you anymore.’ Or did he say he wanted to explore other options?

Fwiw, I liked Washington but I don’t think he fits this system particularly. He was always rubbish out wide and his shooting/hold up play/heading were not good enough to play in the strikers position.

I believe he was on quite high wages so probably has helped pay for at least 2 new signings.

Not sure about his wages. He was signed when we were under an embargo like Gilbey.
From what I am told he was quite outspoken and a certain person doesn’t like that.

charltonbob

cabbles said:

carly burn said:

Anyone know roughly what Aneke is earning a week?

Not sure, but strongly expect the next deal he gets will be pay as you play. If he’s unavailable for a large tranch of this first half of the season, I don’t think it would be a bad idea to try and loan him out in Jan 

Wouldn't think there's another club idiotic enough to take him off our hands unless we pay all of his wages unless he plays xxx amount of minutes

charltonbob

Isawsummersplay said:

Disappointed by Mr Cawley's response to the Stockton rumour. I accept that if Stockton was acquired by the club it would be a choice between him and Stockley as to who plays. I have no problem with this and totally agree.
However, the fact remains that if Stockley was injured in the first week of September, we would be left with an injury prone Aneke and the promising Miles Leaburn. Even a fit Stockley concerns me - he is not a goal-poacher, and most of his goals are either from headers or from the penalty spot.
For a team that is endeavouring to secure a play-off place at worst, that would be completely inadequate, and a top six place would become no more than a pipe-dream.
Having been a Charlton supporter since 1959, the best teams I have been privileged to watch have been those with potency where in matters - in the opposition penalty box.  Summers, Firmani, Leary, Tees and Treacy, Hales and Flanagan, and more recently Andy Hunt, Bent (D not M), Wright-Phillips and Kermogant, and, it irks me to admit this, LyleTaylor. All these were capable of scoring 20 goals a season.
Too often I have seen a Charlton side struggle with the likes of Plumb, Bobby Hunt, Endean, and more recently, Benson, Church,  Sordell and McLeod. 
I apologise if this post seems overly pessimistic, but I am desperate to see the club compete at a higher level. The start to the season has been encouraging, but I have seen too many false-dawns, and without strengthening our offensive options I fear the worst. 

No mate just realistic.

charltonbob

Athletico Charlton said:

Premier League inside 5 years and Champions League in 10, blow our way out of L1 to...

"I don’t have a transfer fee available to go and bid for him. At the moment that would be a non-starter for us.”

Him being a L2 player.

Whatever you think of TS he could not have set expectations any more poorly when he arrived!

but at least we're Premiership ready for when we do make it. Isn't that right Olly ............. Olly ?


 (with apologies to Olly)

charltonbob

SheedyCAFC said:

Are we really that strapped for cash we can’t afford paying 500k for McKirdy, or is it just downplaying it so that clubs/agents don’t try think we’ve got money to burn?

Well sandgaard wants to cut losses from 8 mill to 4 mill this season. How long before staff are banned from eating crisps at their desks ?

ValleyOfTears

JamesSeed said:

Gilbey is soooo frustrating. He looks great when getting hold of the ball and then running with it, causing panic in the opposition, but then more often than not massively over hits the pass. When he gets it right he’s quality, but sadly it isn’t often enough. 

Agree entirely. Curbs really rated him for a long time on Charlton TV. I think he's been found out and, if we harbour designs on getting out of this division, we need a full squad CONSISTENTLY performing at high levels. Gilbey can't promise that. Maybe Orient is best for his next chapter. I wish him well. 

Major

killerandflash said:

TEL said:

DOUCHER said:

TEL said:

Chris_from_Sidcup said:

TEL said:

I don't agree that a striker won't come to us as he won't play every week.... now there are five subs of course they will.... might spur Stockley on as well... still don't think he fits the system though.

Plus of course if a striker is coming on loan then you'd assume it's because he's got almost zero chance of playing at his own club. So playing a bit for us is obviously better than nothing at wherever he is.

I think there is a great opportunity for someone to come in and make the CF position their own. 

agreed - as has been said a million times - stockley is decent at what target men do - but he isn't ideal for what we are doing and is a definite position to be upgraded if we are to get promoted - regardless of all the guff about others scoring and wide forwards arriving at the back post and all that - if you don't have a striker playing on the shoulder, you've lost half your attacking options  

Remains to be seen if those at the club feel the same. I think they may have snookered themselves by making Stockley captain. Having said that Pearce was dropped fairly frequently 

Stockley comes across as a really nice bloke but whilst playing all he seems to do is give a thumbs up when acknowledging a good ball he failed to connect to or waving his arms about and whining. As good a target man he undoubtedly is, it doesn't suit this game plan. 

Stockley to me seems a good captain off the pitch, but is a bit moany and self centred on the pitch for a captain

'Bit moany and self centered'?  Jeez. Not like any posters on here, then. 

Scoham

supaclive said:

The simplest point is why sign JFC.  To get a transfer fee that is non existent?  Madness.

I don’t think that’s why, I think as a former POTY and someone JJ would have kept the club assumed any new manager would want him.

I expect the extension option be triggered after the season ended (I saw that mentioned somewhere relating to another player) and presumably had a deadline for it to be done by, which was probably before Garner could have his input.

Whatever it is there’s something about his game that Garner doesn’t rate or see fitting in the system. I can only think it’s related to a lack of mobility and/or his passing style, on paper I think most of our fans would say he could fit into this team. Some would still want him as a starter.

DOUCHER

Scoham said:

supaclive said:

The simplest point is why sign JFC.  To get a transfer fee that is non existent?  Madness.

I don’t think that’s why, I think as a former POTY and someone JJ would have kept the club assumed any new manager would want him.

I expect the extension option be triggered after the season ended (I saw that mentioned somewhere relating to another player) and presumably had a deadline for it to be done by, which was probably before Garner could have his input.

Whatever it is there’s something about his game that Garner doesn’t rate or see fitting in the system. I can only think it’s related to a lack of mobility and/or his passing style, on paper I think most of our fans would say he could fit into this team. Some would still want him as a starter.

I wouldn’t - I stand by my opinion he’s neat and tidy and nothing more 

_MrDick

So, TS headed back to the US after the Cambridge game. I thought he would’ve waited until after the end of the window had closed unless the business is done? New signings lined up? Who’s in charge? Should we be worried?

Scoham

_MrDick said:

So, TS headed back to the US after the Cambridge game. I thought he would’ve waited until after the end of the window had closed unless the business is done? New signings lined up? Who’s in charge? Should we be worried?

Where did you see that?

Cafc43v3r

Scoham said:

supaclive said:

The simplest point is why sign JFC.  To get a transfer fee that is non existent?  Madness.

I don’t think that’s why, I think as a former POTY and someone JJ would have kept the club assumed any new manager would want him.

I expect the extension option be triggered after the season ended (I saw that mentioned somewhere relating to another player) and presumably had a deadline for it to be done by, which was probably before Garner could have his input.

Whatever it is there’s something about his game that Garner doesn’t rate or see fitting in the system. I can only think it’s related to a lack of mobility and/or his passing style, on paper I think most of our fans would say he could fit into this team. Some would still want him as a starter.

I think it is a lot more complicated than that.

All things being equal Garner would be happy with JFC as one of his 6.  They aren't equal.

The best thing for everyone is now for JFC to leave the club.  The problem is where.  He can only move downwards until he proves his fitness.  

Six-a-bag-of-nuts

Cafc43v3r said:

Scoham said:

supaclive said:

The simplest point is why sign JFC.  To get a transfer fee that is non existent?  Madness.

I don’t think that’s why, I think as a former POTY and someone JJ would have kept the club assumed any new manager would want him.

I expect the extension option be triggered after the season ended (I saw that mentioned somewhere relating to another player) and presumably had a deadline for it to be done by, which was probably before Garner could have his input.

Whatever it is there’s something about his game that Garner doesn’t rate or see fitting in the system. I can only think it’s related to a lack of mobility and/or his passing style, on paper I think most of our fans would say he could fit into this team. Some would still want him as a starter.

I think it is a lot more complicated than that.

All things being equal Garner would be happy with JFC as one of his 6.  They aren't equal.

The best thing for everyone is now for JFC to leave the club.  The problem is where.  He can only move downwards until he proves his fitness.  

How is it more complicated? Why aren't things equal?

clive

Scoham said:

_MrDick said:

So, TS headed back to the US after the Cambridge game. I thought he would’ve waited until after the end of the window had closed unless the business is done? New signings lined up? Who’s in charge? Should we be worried?

Where did you see that?

 On this thread https://forum.charltonlife.com/discussion/94585/a-personal-and-touching-moment-from-charlton#latest

Cafc43v3r

Six-a-bag-of-nuts said:

Cafc43v3r said:

Scoham said:

supaclive said:

The simplest point is why sign JFC.  To get a transfer fee that is non existent?  Madness.

I don’t think that’s why, I think as a former POTY and someone JJ would have kept the club assumed any new manager would want him.

I expect the extension option be triggered after the season ended (I saw that mentioned somewhere relating to another player) and presumably had a deadline for it to be done by, which was probably before Garner could have his input.

Whatever it is there’s something about his game that Garner doesn’t rate or see fitting in the system. I can only think it’s related to a lack of mobility and/or his passing style, on paper I think most of our fans would say he could fit into this team. Some would still want him as a starter.

I think it is a lot more complicated than that.

All things being equal Garner would be happy with JFC as one of his 6.  They aren't equal.

The best thing for everyone is now for JFC to leave the club.  The problem is where.  He can only move downwards until he proves his fitness.  

How is it more complicated? Why aren't things equal?

There is an "issue" with his contract.  

cabbles

ValleyOfTears said:

JamesSeed said:

Gilbey is soooo frustrating. He looks great when getting hold of the ball and then running with it, causing panic in the opposition, but then more often than not massively over hits the pass. When he gets it right he’s quality, but sadly it isn’t often enough. 

Agree entirely. Curbs really rated him for a long time on Charlton TV. I think he's been found out and, if we harbour designs on getting out of this division, we need a full squad CONSISTENTLY performing at high levels. Gilbey can't promise that. Maybe Orient is best for his next chapter. I wish him well. 

I just don’t think he’s very good.  There’s only a point up until you can say he’s frustrating, and the longer it goes on, you realise, there’s just not enough quality.  

I can understand Curbs complimenting him, because Gilbey would be one of those players that does what is asked of him for the team, and, I don’t think Curbs would express how he really feels about him on the camera, most pundits don’t.  I think if you get Curbs behind closed doors, given his years of experience in the game and not on camera, I doubt he would’ve rated many of the players last season.  That’s just my opinion, but I think we always get the rose tinted view on punditry, not what they really think.

Gilbey always tried hard, and was as much a victim to the last 2 years of turmoil off the pitch as well as on it, playing under 3 different managers.  However, he didn’t convince under any of them and I think League Two is his level.