Worth remembering that during a transfer window Garner will need to play a bit of gamesmanship in the media, we have spoken to Swindon about McKirdy already. If they have a valuation too high we may go back and offer something closer to the deadline if another club doesn't meet that valuation. A team like Swindon will need funds and may drop their asking price if it looks like they won't get it.
Personally I don't think McKirdy would be the fantastic signing that some do, maybe Gallen and others agree with me, worth a punt at a good price but not worth paying over the odds for.
Yes, there maybe an element of gamesmanship/poker playing but the club expected to sell Kirk to Blackpool as was agreed and to move on Gilby and JFC.
None of those have happened, yet, so the budget is stretched.
We did get money for Davison and Pope and maybe some others like Aygemang but we're still going to lose £8m
But Sandgaard brings this on himself by overpromising then underdelivering. It undermines Garner just as it did Bowyer, Adkins and Jackson.
It's meant to be the other way round Thomas. UNDER promise, OVER deliver. We're not American, we don't do cheerleaders or t-shirts being shot into the ground or over the top promises.
JUST WIN GAMES
However, the window hasn't closed, @Covered_End_Lad sources, which IIRC is the Sandgaard family, are still saying a CB and a forward so we shall see.
I share people's frustration but Golfie saying he'd laugh if Stockley broke his leg is as perverse as it is stupid. I know he wasn't saying he'd laugh about the break itself but to enjoy a player's injury because he thinks it will prove him right (it won't) is just nasty.
Think you are confusing me with buttlejr who speaks directly to TS.
I am more and more convinced they set the budget expecting someone to go for money and they haven't, yet.
This can't be deliberate?
Remember at the start of the summer general view was Pope was worth £15-20M wasn't it. Didn't Burnley cash in at closer to £8M. So our sell on say £2m less than expected?? Also was a chance Gomez would go too which didn't happen.
Basing you budget on something that may or may not happen and is totally under out of your control isn't much smarter is it?
It's about as smart as charging £37 a ticket as your strategy to fill the Valley.
Worth remembering that during a transfer window Garner will need to play a bit of gamesmanship in the media, we have spoken to Swindon about McKirdy already. If they have a valuation too high we may go back and offer something closer to the deadline if another club doesn't meet that valuation. A team like Swindon will need funds and may drop their asking price if it looks like they won't get it.
Personally I don't think McKirdy would be the fantastic signing that some do, maybe Gallen and others agree with me, worth a punt at a good price but not worth paying over the odds for.
Yes, there maybe an element of gamesmanship/poker playing but the club expected to sell Kirk to Blackpool as was agreed and to move on Gilby and JFC.
None of those have happened, yet, so the budget is stretched.
We did get money for Davison and Pope and maybe some others like Aygemang but we're still going to lose £8m
But Sandgaard brings this on himself by overpromising then underdelivering. It undermines Garner just as it did Bowyer, Adkins and Jackson.
It's meant to be the other way round Thomas. UNDER promise, OVER deliver. We're not American, we don't do cheerleaders or t-shirts being shot into the ground or over the top promises.
JUST WIN GAMES
However, the window hasn't closed, @Covered_End_Lad sources are still saying a CB and a forward so we shall see.
I share people's frustration but Golfie saying he'd laugh if Stockley broke his leg is as perverse as it is stupid. I know he wasn't saying he'd laugh about the break itself but to enjoy a player's injury because he thinks it will prove him right (it won't) is just nasty.
Think you are confusing me with buttlejr who speaks directly to TS.
It’s slightly worrying that there is literally zero money for transfers without selling someone. Did we end up getting cash for Pope? Hooefully we can move on Gilbey and/or JFC in time. Sandgaard once talked about being happy to meet Muir ‘for a coffee’ to talk about investment. Seems clear to me that someone bringing in a few million might make all the difference right now. Whether anyone would be interested is another matter.
Makes me think we’re not a big fish in this league now just a middle of the road league one side. Glass definitely half empty atm. Like seeing the youth given a chance so one positive but glaring gaps in this squad! What with the falling attendances & rising prices & TS not listening to common sense I actually feel on a downer with Charlton which I’ve never actually felt before! No CEO, Bully boy still employed & endorsed by the owner, long standing staff dismissed at will. Sorry about my negativity but feeling totally disengaged with the club!
Being annoyed or whatever is laughable... its frustrating as you want the club to sign the best but if we are keeping to a budget then so be it...be financially viable for the future or in ruin in 2-3 seasons cause we spent needlessly?
Could be a smokescreen to not give away our financial position or just keeping the purse strings nice and tight. Best wait and see what i looks like when the transfer window slams shut.
Unless you believe that commercial income will increase massively being in league 1 for another 2-3 years is not financially viable either.
I am not annoyed but I really can't get my head round the fact we can't sign someone until we off load someone else. When that player had his contract renewed 10 weeks ago.
No it wont but that still doesnt make it viable to chuck money at anything and everything. No doubt we need to get out this division to increase income but if we dont then we need to be as financially secure as possible to cope with being stuck here.
I don't think anyone is asking him to chuck money at everything and anything.
If we don't sign that striker, even on loan, we are highly unlikely to, or would have to be incredibly lucky to, get promoted.
If its for the cost of JFCs wages, that seem to be the narrative. One why renew his contract if the budget is so tight? Two if 200k(ish) is the difference between giving it a proper go and not it doesn't bode well.
Yes 200k is a substantial amount of real money and no its not my money but its not costing be millions to stand still. That's not viable which everway you spin it.
It's really not a big deal for me tbh. We've got a better team than we did last year. And the year before. And a better coach. If we don't have 500k to spend on a fourth striker, then ok. We've had worse problems.
No one does, and no one should, announce that we plan to spend money or you get your pants pulled down during any potential negotiations, it basic business.
This isn’t me saying we will spend a fee, this is me just saying don’t get too carried away by routine interviews with the local press about our available funds.
basic comprehension isn't some people's highest skill
In response to the Stockton rumours:
"I dont know why it seems that people think he is a target..."
Because if Stockley breaks a leg next week we are left with just Leaburn ffs !!!
I will laugh my arse off it this happens. Total incompetence if we dont sign a striker before the end of next week.
That's nice you'll laugh your arse off if one of our players breaks their leg.
but it would be less likely that 3 of 3 are injured at the same time compared to 2 of 3 CB when one is Inniss.
You must have a short memory because only 6 months ago we were without 3 strikers as they were all out injured !!
And I wasnt laughing if Stockley breaks a leg fgs......laughing that we've had 4 months to bring in a striker after letting 2 go but it seems its not important as a CB - when we've just loaned one out !!
I'll remind you when we lose games because our forward line is light & we end up relying on Kirk & Clare to score our goals.
No one does, and no one should, announce that we plan to spend money or you get your pants pulled down during any potential negotiations, it basic business.
This isn’t me saying we will spend a fee, this is me just saying don’t get too carried away by routine interviews with the local press about our available funds.
Repeating that fact part 834
They all know exactly what each others budget is. It's not a secret.
I read the Garner article differently. The priority is a CB which is likely to be the only one coming in as things currently stand. The CB may command a transfer fee, that we don't know but what we do know is above and beyond a CB there isn't any money for a forward unless there is movement outwards. So there may currently be money in the transfer kitty for a CB but not for anymore incomings unless there are outgoings. If somebody like Kirk was to be sold then I would expect a fee to be paid for a permanent forward but if we are jusy relying on Gilbey/JFC to go out on loan or for next to nothing I would expect the incoming forward to be a young loanee. Despite the tone of the article I can still see two coming in but three is highly unlikely.
I would be more concerned if we come out and told everyone how much we had to spend …. think we just keeping things very close like all the deals we have done … it makes discussions much more difficult if a club knows you got 5 mill to spend .
we will sign CB and a forward ( not a striker ) and most likey a back up holding mid player
Worth remembering that during a transfer window Garner will need to play a bit of gamesmanship in the media, we have spoken to Swindon about McKirdy already. If they have a valuation too high we may go back and offer something closer to the deadline if another club doesn't meet that valuation. A team like Swindon will need funds and may drop their asking price if it looks like they won't get it.
Personally I don't think McKirdy would be the fantastic signing that some do, maybe Gallen and others agree with me, worth a punt at a good price but not worth paying over the odds for.
Yes, there maybe an element of gamesmanship/poker playing but the club expected to sell Kirk to Blackpool as was agreed and to move on Gilby and JFC.
None of those have happened, yet, so the budget is stretched.
We did get money for Davison and Pope and maybe some others like Aygemang but we're still going to lose £8m
But Sandgaard brings this on himself by overpromising then underdelivering. It undermines Garner just as it did Bowyer, Adkins and Jackson.
It's meant to be the other way round Thomas. UNDER promise, OVER deliver. We're not American, we don't do cheerleaders or t-shirts being shot into the ground or over the top promises, we do cardigans
JUST WIN GAMES
However, the window hasn't closed, @Covered_End_Lad sources are still saying a CB and a forward so we shall see.
I share people's frustration but Golfie saying he'd laugh if Stockley broke his leg is as perverse as it is stupid. I know he wasn't saying he'd laugh about the break itself but to enjoy a player's injury because he thinks it will prove him right (it won't) is just nasty.
No one does, and no one should, announce that we plan to spend money or you get your pants pulled down during any potential negotiations, it basic business.
This isn’t me saying we will spend a fee, this is me just saying don’t get too carried away by routine interviews with the local press about our available funds.
Repeating that fact part 834
They all know exactly what each others budget is. It's not a secret.
How? Clubs budgets changed throughout the window surely it’s guess work?
Worth remembering that during a transfer window Garner will need to play a bit of gamesmanship in the media, we have spoken to Swindon about McKirdy already. If they have a valuation too high we may go back and offer something closer to the deadline if another club doesn't meet that valuation. A team like Swindon will need funds and may drop their asking price if it looks like they won't get it.
Personally I don't think McKirdy would be the fantastic signing that some do, maybe Gallen and others agree with me, worth a punt at a good price but not worth paying over the odds for.
Yes, there maybe an element of gamesmanship/poker playing but the club expected to sell Kirk to Blackpool as was agreed and to move on Gilby and JFC.
None of those have happened, yet, so the budget is stretched.
We did get money for Davison and Pope and maybe some others like Aygemang but we're still going to lose £8m
But Sandgaard brings this on himself by overpromising then underdelivering. It undermines Garner just as it did Bowyer, Adkins and Jackson.
It's meant to be the other way round Thomas. UNDER promise, OVER deliver. We're not American, we don't do cheerleaders or t-shirts being shot into the ground or over the top promises.
JUST WIN GAMES
However, the window hasn't closed, @Covered_End_Lad sources, which IIRC is the Sandgaard family, are still saying a CB and a forward so we shall see.
I share people's frustration but Golfie saying he'd laugh if Stockley broke his leg is as perverse as it is stupid. I know he wasn't saying he'd laugh about the break itself but to enjoy a player's injury because he thinks it will prove him right (it won't) is just nasty.
Think you are confusing me with buttlejr who speaks directly to TS.
not to be confused with ronniemoore who speaks directly to the voices in his head
Only if you ignore about half of it. "IF" anybody is sold for a fee then there's room in the squad numbers limit and the possibility of paying a fee to acquire a new player
That's nothing new is it? We've known all summer that Sandgaard's purse strings are not the only constraints on recruitment.
What is Garner supposed to say?
How useful would it be for him to say "... I've got 1.5 to 2 mill waiting to sign the players.."? Straightaway the cost of any player is £2M innit?
FWIW I doubt there's £200 for fees and we won't see any incoming at all, certainly no paid for acquisitions. We're looking at 4 months with critical shortages up front and in both fullback berths, plus we're one injury or suspension away from having to rely on Inniss!! Who reminded us on Saturday just how inconsistent he is and how bad his bad spells can be.
I think there might be a bit of poker playing going on here as I don’t think TS would be with BG making such comments otherwise , my guess is these statements are aimed at agents to make it sound like we are skint
I understand this isn't strictly transfer rumour related, but it is budget related, and that has been brought up. The share price of Zynex has dropped 28% over the past year. I do wonder if this is influencing TS' ownership of CAFC, and whether he is understandably unwilling to sell any of his shares (i.e. realise them for cash to buy players) when the price is so deflated.
In July of 2020, he sold 1,250,000 shares for $22 a piece, realising $27.5m - I assume to help fund the purchase of CAFC. A smaller sale raising $2.69m occurred last summer with the share price $15. Each share is now worth $9, and hit a low of $5 in June of this year. The transaction of 2020 would raise $11.25m today - less than half.
It is perceived as madness to sell at the bottom, and perhaps that, in turn, is affecting our budget this summer?
basic comprehension isn't some people's highest skill
In response to the Stockton rumours:
"I dont know why it seems that people think he is a target..."
Because if Stockley breaks a leg next week we are left with just Leaburn ffs !!!
I will laugh my arse off it this happens. Total incompetence if we dont sign a striker before the end of next week.
That's nice you'll laugh your arse off if one of our players breaks their leg.
but it would be less likely that 3 of 3 are injured at the same time compared to 2 of 3 CB when one is Inniss.
You must have a short memory because only 6 months ago we were without 3 strikers as they were all out injured !!
And I wasnt laughing if Stockley breaks a leg fgs......laughing that we've had 4 months to bring in a striker after letting 2 go but it seems its not important as a CB - when we've just loaned one out !!
I'll remind you when we lose games because our forward line is light & we end up relying on Kirk & Clare to score our goals.
A few weeks ago you were saying our squad was miles behind and we'd be playing catch-up this season. That was just before the QPR game, then our second string beat a Champ side.
CB is a priority and i wonder if Garner is looking for an experienced head and leader - Possibly someone like Gary Cahill or Alex Baptiste as free agents would be on the radar ?
let's face it with the news Chuks is out for at least a few more weeks everyone should realise we can't really rely on him to be available at all so that leaves us with Stockley and a raw 18 year old kid. I can't believe anyone would say another forward isn't the priority. Failure to sign one could lead to TS losing even more money than he need to.
CB is a priority and i wonder if Garner is looking for an experienced head and leader - Possibly someone like Gary Cahill or Alex Baptiste as free agents would be on the radar ?
If Gary Cahill would take a huge pay decrease he'd be superb for a season or 2
CB is a priority and i wonder if Garner is looking for an experienced head and leader - Possibly someone like Gary Cahill or Alex Baptiste as free agents would be on the radar ?
Have a word with yourself. BG & TS have said that to free up wages we have to let a player leave. Signing Cahill would mean letting all 22 players leave.
basic comprehension isn't some people's highest skill
In response to the Stockton rumours:
"I dont know why it seems that people think he is a target..."
Because if Stockley breaks a leg next week we are left with just Leaburn ffs !!!
I will laugh my arse off it this happens. Total incompetence if we dont sign a striker before the end of next week.
blah blah blah...
Insightful comment.
You want a player to be injured to prove you right, so fuck off will ya
I do wish people would read what others write. Of course I don't want anyone to get injured, but these things happen. Already we've had Egbo & Aneke miss the start of the season and now CBT & MaGrandells are injured too.
Do you not think its could be in the world of possibility that Stockley gets injured at any point during the season.....maybe his back goes again ?
basic comprehension isn't some people's highest skill
In response to the Stockton rumours:
"I dont know why it seems that people think he is a target..."
Because if Stockley breaks a leg next week we are left with just Leaburn ffs !!!
I will laugh my arse off it this happens. Total incompetence if we dont sign a striker before the end of next week.
That's nice you'll laugh your arse off if one of our players breaks their leg.
but it would be less likely that 3 of 3 are injured at the same time compared to 2 of 3 CB when one is Inniss.
You must have a short memory because only 6 months ago we were without 3 strikers as they were all out injured !!
And I wasnt laughing if Stockley breaks a leg fgs......laughing that we've had 4 months to bring in a striker after letting 2 go but it seems its not important as a CB - when we've just loaned one out !!
I'll remind you when we lose games because our forward line is light & we end up relying on Kirk & Clare to score our goals.
So can I remind you what you were saying just a few weeks ago, that our squad was miles behind and we'd be playing catch-up this season? That was just before the QPR game, when our second string beat a Champ side.
Oh well, just because we beat a Championship side then our squad is complete. Pull up the drawbridge & let Garner know we don't need anyone else.
Comments
Did we end up getting cash for Pope?
Hooefully we can move on Gilbey and/or JFC in time.
Sandgaard once talked about being happy to meet Muir ‘for a coffee’ to talk about investment. Seems clear to me that someone bringing in a few million might make all the difference right now. Whether anyone would be interested is another matter.
If we don't sign that striker, even on loan, we are highly unlikely to, or would have to be incredibly lucky to, get promoted.
If its for the cost of JFCs wages, that seem to be the narrative. One why renew his contract if the budget is so tight? Two if 200k(ish) is the difference between giving it a proper go and not it doesn't bode well.
Yes 200k is a substantial amount of real money and no its not my money but its not costing be millions to stand still. That's not viable which everway you spin it.
No one does, and no one should, announce that we plan to spend money or you get your pants pulled down during any potential negotiations, it basic business.
And I wasnt laughing if Stockley breaks a leg fgs......laughing that we've had 4 months to bring in a striker after letting 2 go but it seems its not important as a CB - when we've just loaned one out !!
I'll remind you when we lose games because our forward line is light & we end up relying on Kirk & Clare to score our goals.
They all know exactly what each others budget is. It's not a secret.
Despite the tone of the article I can still see two coming in but three is highly unlikely.
we will sign CB and a forward ( not a striker ) and most likey a back up holding mid player
In July of 2020, he sold 1,250,000 shares for $22 a piece, realising $27.5m - I assume to help fund the purchase of CAFC. A smaller sale raising $2.69m occurred last summer with the share price $15. Each share is now worth $9, and hit a low of $5 in June of this year. The transaction of 2020 would raise $11.25m today - less than half.
It is perceived as madness to sell at the bottom, and perhaps that, in turn, is affecting our budget this summer?
I do wonder which planet some people are on.
Do you not think its could be in the world of possibility that Stockley gets injured at any point during the season.....maybe his back goes again ?