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"I don’t have a transfer fee available to go and bid for him. At the moment that would be a non-starter for us.”
Him being a L2 player.
Whatever you think of TS he could not have set expectations any more poorly when he arrived!
Agreed. TS is still in credit with me because he saved the club from possibly going under. I wish he said something along the lines of "the club nearly died, as a result, it will take time to rebuild and move forward but we will move forward. This is a massive project and I can't put timescales on success at this stage". I think he would have a lot more people backing him if he did say something similar to this
If we are after McKirdy, we have a few fringe/youth players that I think could help them as well as helping the development of our players. I’d even let DJ go there if it got a deal done.
If we are after McKirdy, we have a few fringe/youth players that I think could help them as well as helping the development of our players. I’d even let DJ go there if it got a deal done.
Being annoyed or whatever is laughable... its frustrating as you want the club to sign the best but if we are keeping to a budget then so be it...be financially viable for the future or in ruin in 2-3 seasons cause we spent needlessly?
Could be a smokescreen to not give away our financial position or just keeping the purse strings nice and tight. Best wait and see what i looks like when the transfer window slams shut.
Worth remembering that during a transfer window Garner will need to play a bit of gamesmanship in the media, we have spoken to Swindon about McKirdy already. If they have a valuation too high we may go back and offer something closer to the deadline if another club doesn't meet that valuation. A team like Swindon will need funds and may drop their asking price if it looks like they won't get it.
Personally I don't think McKirdy would be the fantastic signing that some do, maybe Gallen and others agree with me, worth a punt at a good price but not worth paying over the odds for.
I am more and more convinced they set the budget expecting someone to go for money and they haven't, yet.
This can't be deliberate?
Remember at the start of the summer general view was Pope was worth £15-20M wasn't it. Didn't Burnley cash in at closer to £8M. So our sell on say £2m less than expected?? Also was a chance Gomez would go too which didn't happen.
I am more and more convinced they set the budget expecting someone to go for money and they haven't, yet.
This can't be deliberate?
Remember at the start of the summer general view was Pope was worth £15-20M wasn't it. Didn't Burnley cash in at closer to £8M. So our sell on say £2m less than expected?? Also was a chance Gomez would go too which didn't happen.
On the above, forgot to mention before but we get another slug of money from Liverpool when Gomez hits 100 league games for them, he isn't too far off that now and may give us more room to manoeuvre in January.
Garners comments are depressing. Without further striking options, we will not get promoted which means that we remain stuck in this perpetual Groundhog Day loop of 3rd division football with declining attendances. I am supportive of TS but unless something dramatic and positive happens on the transfer front in the next 10 days, we will need to try and generate new investment from somewhere else because the current owner is unlikely to be able to take us forward.
Being annoyed or whatever is laughable... its frustrating as you want the club to sign the best but if we are keeping to a budget then so be it...be financially viable for the future or in ruin in 2-3 seasons cause we spent needlessly?
Could be a smokescreen to not give away our financial position or just keeping the purse strings nice and tight. Best wait and see what i looks like when the transfer window slams shut.
Unless you believe that commercial income will increase massively being in league 1 for another 2-3 years is not financially viable either.
I am not annoyed but I really can't get my head round the fact we can't sign someone until we off load someone else. When that player had his contract renewed 10 weeks ago.
Are we really that strapped for cash we can’t afford paying 500k for McKirdy, or is it just downplaying it so that clubs/agents don’t try think we’ve got money to burn?
I'm not sure I want us spunking 500k on McKirdy tbh. That is a lot of money at this level for someone with one good season in L2.
I am more and more convinced they set the budget expecting someone to go for money and they haven't, yet.
This can't be deliberate?
Remember at the start of the summer general view was Pope was worth £15-20M wasn't it. Didn't Burnley cash in at closer to £8M. So our sell on say £2m less than expected?? Also was a chance Gomez would go too which didn't happen.
On the above, forgot to mention before but we get another slug of money from Liverpool when Gomez hits 100 league games for them, he isn't too far off that now and may give us more room to manoeuvre in January.
Garners comments are depressing. Without further striking options, we will not get promoted which means that we remain stuck in this perpetual Groundhog Day loop of 3rd division football with declining attendances. I am supportive of TS but unless something dramatic and positive happens on the transfer front in the next 10 days, we will need to try and generate new investment from somewhere else because the current owner is unlikely to be able to take us forward.
The last set of owners weren’t taking us forward, they were taking us down. We won’t get great owners until Roland sells the Valley and TG at an appropriate price, until then TS is the best we can hope for.
I am more and more convinced they set the budget expecting someone to go for money and they haven't, yet.
This can't be deliberate?
Remember at the start of the summer general view was Pope was worth £15-20M wasn't it. Didn't Burnley cash in at closer to £8M. So our sell on say £2m less than expected?? Also was a chance Gomez would go too which didn't happen.
Basing you budget on something that may or may not happen and is totally under out of your control isn't much smarter is it?
The 'Sandgaard's skint' squad is going to have a field day with that article.
I think it has gone beyond that now. He is clearly a wealthy man from his business interests but he said himself last week that his aim is to cut Charlton's losses from £8m per season to £4m this year and then break even in 23/24.
He is not going to do it by selling more tickets and as we have all seen he cannot even do that so the savings need to come from within the club.
It is no secret the staff are being cut to the bone following the sackings and redundancies, the club is effectively being run by Tommy, his wife and his son. We have not paid a transfer fee for a player this season and I doubt any of the Nick Pope & Burstow millions will surface in terms of a transfer kitty, more to run the club.
I suspect what we have seen so far this season will be the norm in years to come including us selling youngsters to make up the deficit.
Only if you ignore about half of it. "IF" anybody is sold for a fee then there's room in the squad numbers limit and the possibility of paying a fee to acquire a new player
That's nothing new is it? We've known all summer that Sandgaard's purse strings are not the only constraints on recruitment.
What is Garner supposed to say?
How useful would it be for him to say "... I've got 1.5 to 2 mill waiting to sign the players.."? Straightaway the cost of any player is £2M innit?
FWIW I doubt there's £200 for fees and we won't see any incoming at all, certainly no paid for acquisitions. We're looking at 4 months with critical shortages up front and in both fullback berths, plus we're one injury or suspension away from having to rely on Inniss!! Who reminded us on Saturday just how inconsistent he is and how bad his bad spells can be.
Worth remembering that during a transfer window Garner will need to play a bit of gamesmanship in the media, we have spoken to Swindon about McKirdy already. If they have a valuation too high we may go back and offer something closer to the deadline if another club doesn't meet that valuation. A team like Swindon will need funds and may drop their asking price if it looks like they won't get it.
Personally I don't think McKirdy would be the fantastic signing that some do, maybe Gallen and others agree with me, worth a punt at a good price but not worth paying over the odds for.
Yes, there maybe an element of gamesmanship/poker playing but the club expected to sell Kirk to Blackpool as was agreed and to move on Gilby and JFC.
None of those have happened, yet, so the budget is stretched.
We did get money for Davison and Pope and maybe some others like Aygemang but we're still going to lose £8m
But Sandgaard brings this on himself by overpromising then underdelivering. It undermines Garner just as it did Bowyer, Adkins and Jackson.
It's meant to be the other way round Thomas. UNDER promise, OVER deliver. We're not American, we don't do cheerleaders or t-shirts being shot into the ground or over the top promises.
JUST WIN GAMES
However, the window hasn't closed, @Covered_End_Lad sources are still saying a CB and a forward so we shall see.
I share people's frustration but Golfie saying he'd laugh if Stockley broke his leg is as perverse as it is stupid. I know he wasn't saying he'd laugh about the break itself but to enjoy a player's injury because he thinks it will prove him right (it won't) is just nasty.
Money from Pope this summer, money from Burstow in January, and yet we are too tight to spend a single fee on someone this transfer window. Talks a complete load of shite Sandgaard, but at least we have a nice wanky American song on spotify
The 'Sandgaard's skint' squad is going to have a field day with that article.
To be fair the cost cutting and limiting ourselves to frees and loans gives the impression TS may be looking to sell in the near future.
Problem is he has very little to sell other than a loss making football team. Roland still owns all the assets. I can't see any new owner wanting to pay more than £1 to relieve Sandgaard of what he owns. Worrying times.
Garners comments are depressing. Without further striking options, we will not get promoted which means that we remain stuck in this perpetual Groundhog Day loop of 3rd division football with declining attendances. I am supportive of TS but unless something dramatic and positive happens on the transfer front in the next 10 days, we will need to try and generate new investment from somewhere else because the current owner is unlikely to be able to take us forward.
The last set of owners weren’t taking us forward, they were taking us down. We won’t get great owners until Roland sells the Valley and TG at an appropriate price, until then TS is the best we can hope for.
Premier League inside 5 years and Champions League in 10, blow our way out of L1 to...
"I don’t have a transfer fee available to go and bid for him. At the moment that would be a non-starter for us.”
Him being a L2 player.
Whatever you think of TS he could not have set expectations any more poorly when he arrived!
Agreed. TS is still in credit with me because he saved the club from possibly going under. I wish he said something along the lines of "the club nearly died, as a result, it will take time to rebuild and move forward but we will move forward. This is a massive project and I can't put timescales on success at this stage". I think he would have a lot more people backing him if he did say something similar to this
He’s American, what do you expect?
He should have been honest from the start And admitted he does not have the wealth to rin a loss making club. He could have told us he needs to get losses down to near zero as he cannot afford 8 million pounds a year loss. Then we would not have expected too much.
Being annoyed or whatever is laughable... its frustrating as you want the club to sign the best but if we are keeping to a budget then so be it...be financially viable for the future or in ruin in 2-3 seasons cause we spent needlessly?
Could be a smokescreen to not give away our financial position or just keeping the purse strings nice and tight. Best wait and see what i looks like when the transfer window slams shut.
Unless you believe that commercial income will increase massively being in league 1 for another 2-3 years is not financially viable either.
I am not annoyed but I really can't get my head round the fact we can't sign someone until we off load someone else. When that player had his contract renewed 10 weeks ago.
No it wont but that still doesnt make it viable to chuck money at anything and everything. No doubt we need to get out this division to increase income but if we dont then we need to be as financially secure as possible to cope with being stuck here.
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Being annoyed or whatever is laughable... its frustrating as you want the club to sign the best but if we are keeping to a budget then so be it...be financially viable for the future or in ruin in 2-3 seasons cause we spent needlessly?
Could be a smokescreen to not give away our financial position or just keeping the purse strings nice and tight. Best wait and see what i looks like when the transfer window slams shut.
On the above, forgot to mention before but we get another slug of money from Liverpool when Gomez hits 100 league games for them, he isn't too far off that now and may give us more room to manoeuvre in January.
I am not annoyed but I really can't get my head round the fact we can't sign someone until we off load someone else. When that player had his contract renewed 10 weeks ago.
I'm not sure I want us spunking 500k on McKirdy tbh. That is a lot of money at this level for someone with one good season in L2.
He is not going to do it by selling more tickets and as we have all seen he cannot even do that so the savings need to come from within the club.
It is no secret the staff are being cut to the bone following the sackings and redundancies, the club is effectively being run by Tommy, his wife and his son. We have not paid a transfer fee for a player this season and I doubt any of the Nick Pope & Burstow millions will surface in terms of a transfer kitty, more to run the club.
I suspect what we have seen so far this season will be the norm in years to come including us selling youngsters to make up the deficit.
"IF" anybody is sold for a fee then there's room in the squad numbers limit and the possibility of paying a fee to acquire a new player
That's nothing new is it? We've known all summer that Sandgaard's purse strings are not the only constraints on recruitment.
What is Garner supposed to say?
How useful would it be for him to say "... I've got 1.5 to 2 mill waiting to sign the players.."? Straightaway the cost of any player is £2M innit?
FWIW I doubt there's £200 for fees and we won't see any incoming at all, certainly no paid for acquisitions. We're looking at 4 months with critical shortages up front and in both fullback berths, plus we're one injury or suspension away from having to rely on Inniss!! Who reminded us on Saturday just how inconsistent he is and how bad his bad spells can be.
None of those have happened, yet, so the budget is stretched.
We did get money for Davison and Pope and maybe some others like Aygemang but we're still going to lose £8m
But Sandgaard brings this on himself by overpromising then underdelivering. It undermines Garner just as it did Bowyer, Adkins and Jackson.
It's meant to be the other way round Thomas. UNDER promise, OVER deliver. We're not American, we don't do cheerleaders or t-shirts being shot into the ground or over the top promises.
JUST WIN GAMES
However, the window hasn't closed, @Covered_End_Lad sources are still saying a CB and a forward so we shall see.
I share people's frustration but Golfie saying he'd laugh if Stockley broke his leg is as perverse as it is stupid. I know he wasn't saying he'd laugh about the break itself but to enjoy a player's injury because he thinks it will prove him right (it won't) is just nasty.
Roland still owns all the assets.
I can't see any new owner wanting to pay more than £1 to relieve Sandgaard of what he owns.
Worrying times.
And admitted he does not have the wealth to rin a loss making club. He could have told us he needs to get losses down to near zero as he cannot afford 8 million pounds a year loss. Then we would not have expected too much.
Willing to sit on my hands, reserve judgement until September 2nd.