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Summer 2022 transfer rumours (Gilbey loan confirmed p513, a signing falls through last minute p541)

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  • He's still a Birmingham player... Walsall is up the road from Birmingham... Probably visiting his old team / Tracey
  • golfaddick
    golfaddick Posts: 33,641
    Announce meltdown.


    Birmingham is a stone's throw from Walsall. Probably just catching up with Tracey & some of the lads 
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    supaclive said:
    I've read all the comments re JFC- that it's not that simple, we won't let him prove himself, we may have to pay somebody to play him.

    Which completely answers my point.

    Why sign him again in the first place because we don't want him and we don't appear to be able to sell him!!!
    Shouldn't have given him a new contract when he was injured in the first place imo. Might have been harsh but we wouldn't be in this position (trying to recoup money we've spent on rehabilitation) in that case. Wouldn't have had a problem letting him use our facilities to get fit but essentially we've spent over 12 months treading water & now cant get him off our books.


    If you did that no one would play for the last month, or more, before their contracts run out and you would be the first to moan about it.
  • Chunes
    Chunes Posts: 17,350
    Cafc43v3r said:
    supaclive said:
    I've read all the comments re JFC- that it's not that simple, we won't let him prove himself, we may have to pay somebody to play him.

    Which completely answers my point.

    Why sign him again in the first place because we don't want him and we don't appear to be able to sell him!!!
    Shouldn't have given him a new contract when he was injured in the first place imo. Might have been harsh but we wouldn't be in this position (trying to recoup money we've spent on rehabilitation) in that case. Wouldn't have had a problem letting him use our facilities to get fit but essentially we've spent over 12 months treading water & now cant get him off our books.


    If you did that no one would play for the last month, or more, before their contracts run out and you would be the first to moan about it.
    It's absurd. Would prove Lyle Taylor right.
  • KiwiValley
    KiwiValley Posts: 3,380
    Tracey has just been spotted with ANOTHER forward based in the midlands...WIOTOSTracey Leaburn You do have to be a tough cookie to work in a  predominately male environment but I absolutely love it  Charlton  Athletic Football Club
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,785
    Chunes said:
    supaclive said:
    I've read all the comments re JFC- that it's not that simple, we won't let him prove himself, we may have to pay somebody to play him.

    Which completely answers my point.

    Why sign him again in the first place because we don't want him and we don't appear to be able to sell him!!!
    Hindsight is a wonderful thing. I don't remember anyone on this board criticising the decision to extend his contract at the time. If they'd have let him go for free and he'd gone and done well for another club, the club would have been criticised again.
    🙋‍♂️ 

    And I got pelters for it.
  • cabbles
    cabbles Posts: 15,256
    We can’t just have a body up top as back up to Stockley.  If that’s the case keep Leaburn and Aneke and bring Kanu through as well, job done.  A body up top implies we could end up with Josh Parker or someone like that.  

    Somehow we always seem to adapt to ‘he’ll do’.

    Stockley might not work in Garner’s system.  I think we need another quality forward player in.  Of course, that’s easier said than done, but the need for someone just as cover isn’t the right approach imo
  • Tracey has just been spotted with ANOTHER forward based in the midlands...WIOTOSTracey Leaburn You do have to be a tough cookie to work in a  predominately male environment but I absolutely love it  Charlton  Athletic Football Club
    Bloody nora - She's changed quickly hasnt she!! ;)
  • Scoham
    Scoham Posts: 37,384

  • golfaddick
    golfaddick Posts: 33,641
    Cafc43v3r said:
    supaclive said:
    I've read all the comments re JFC- that it's not that simple, we won't let him prove himself, we may have to pay somebody to play him.

    Which completely answers my point.

    Why sign him again in the first place because we don't want him and we don't appear to be able to sell him!!!
    Shouldn't have given him a new contract when he was injured in the first place imo. Might have been harsh but we wouldn't be in this position (trying to recoup money we've spent on rehabilitation) in that case. Wouldn't have had a problem letting him use our facilities to get fit but essentially we've spent over 12 months treading water & now cant get him off our books.


    If you did that no one would play for the last month, or more, before their contracts run out and you would be the first to moan about it.
    Hundreds of players play whilst they are in the last months of their contracts. 

    As I said, unpopular thinking, but why give a new contract to a player who is injured. 

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  • AndyG
    AndyG Posts: 5,911
    Cafc43v3r said:
    supaclive said:
    I've read all the comments re JFC- that it's not that simple, we won't let him prove himself, we may have to pay somebody to play him.

    Which completely answers my point.

    Why sign him again in the first place because we don't want him and we don't appear to be able to sell him!!!
    Shouldn't have given him a new contract when he was injured in the first place imo. Might have been harsh but we wouldn't be in this position (trying to recoup money we've spent on rehabilitation) in that case. Wouldn't have had a problem letting him use our facilities to get fit but essentially we've spent over 12 months treading water & now cant get him off our books.


    If you did that no one would play for the last month, or more, before their contracts run out and you would be the first to moan about it.
    Hundreds of players play whilst they are in the last months of their contracts. 

    As I said, unpopular thinking, but why give a new contract to a player who is injured. 
    Because it was the right thing to do mate. The bloke got injured playing for us and to leave him without a contract would have just been wrong.


  • Bailey
    Bailey Posts: 3,268
    Bailey said:
    Controversial opinion time but I don’t even think the striker we need has to be that good. We just need *someone* who can help us avoid a situation like last season where we went to Wigan with Burstow and Elliot Lee up front, for example.

    Obviously the player coming in would need chip in with a few goals when they play over the course of the season but Plan A is obviously to move forward with club captain Stockley as often as possible.

    As long as we have a senior body that is available to play when called upon and does a half decent job at dropping into midfield and linking the play, we can still score goals from the likes of CBT, JRS, Kirk, Fraser and Payne.

    And then when Stockley is back after a short absence, they’ll drop back to the bench.


    For me, it’s more important to get a player that fits the style and can replace Jayden’s link up without disruption more so than finding a poacher who can score a goal but not contribute anything else.

    It’s become clear over the last few weeks that that poaching kind of forward won’t fit the Garner style.
    I don't think that this is controversial. As you said, stockley is clearly first choice with aneke being the impact sub (obviously fitness permitting). The emergence of leaburn means we could be looking for a 4th choice, a Parker type signing rather than someone being brought in to challenge stockley.
    I still don't see why people think we have an incoming striker. Seems to me that the only reason to believe there is one incoming is because the manager said there isn't, by that theory then if he said there is then that would clearly mean there aint....................I think ??
    Most recent interview I'm sure he's said he wants a striker as well as defensive cover.
    He also said the money he has been allocated does not stretch to bringing a striker in unless something changes in terms of players leaving. Now unless I have missed something, players who could leave are Gilbey and Forster Caskey. I grant you that both leaving frees up two wages but any fees would minimal and certainly not enough to purchase some of the names being mentioned on here. 
  • Chunes
    Chunes Posts: 17,350
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  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    cabbles said:
    We can’t just have a body up top as back up to Stockley.  If that’s the case keep Leaburn and Aneke and bring Kanu through as well, job done.  A body up top implies we could end up with Josh Parker or someone like that.  

    Somehow we always seem to adapt to ‘he’ll do’.

    Stockley might not work in Garner’s system.  I think we need another quality forward player in.  Of course, that’s easier said than done, but the need for someone just as cover isn’t the right approach imo
    I think it's fair enough to accept we can't afford a Mckirdy/Stockton/Haaland/Wilkes.

    What isn't really acceptable is if we have "spunked" the whole budget and still only got the strikers we have got.  We have brought in 7 players yet no one thought we needed a striker until 10 days before the window shut?

    If it ment not signing McGrandles or Payne, in an area we were well stocked so be it IMO.
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    edited August 2022
    Cafc43v3r said:
    supaclive said:
    I've read all the comments re JFC- that it's not that simple, we won't let him prove himself, we may have to pay somebody to play him.

    Which completely answers my point.

    Why sign him again in the first place because we don't want him and we don't appear to be able to sell him!!!
    Shouldn't have given him a new contract when he was injured in the first place imo. Might have been harsh but we wouldn't be in this position (trying to recoup money we've spent on rehabilitation) in that case. Wouldn't have had a problem letting him use our facilities to get fit but essentially we've spent over 12 months treading water & now cant get him off our books.


    If you did that no one would play for the last month, or more, before their contracts run out and you would be the first to moan about it.
    Hundreds of players play whilst they are in the last months of their contracts. 

    As I said, unpopular thinking, but why give a new contract to a player who is injured. 
    Because everyone does it, else no one would play...

    In the lower leagues you would end up with 14 year olds making up the numbers from March and you would be moaning.

    This is exactly why Lyle Taylor didn't play for us.  Would trust Paul Elliottttt to do the right thing by you?

    Your argument is Taylor was right, and you have spent 2 years slagging him off.  Cake and eat it?
  • Garrymanilow
    Garrymanilow Posts: 13,175
    Scoham said:
    Never expected Bogle and Makienok to be mentioned on here as possible signings.
    Did you not? If they didn't score against us or play for us once then this forum doesn't even know what a footballer is
  • Scoham
    Scoham Posts: 37,384
    Scoham said:
    Never expected Bogle and Makienok to be mentioned on here as possible signings.
    Did you not? If they didn't score against us or play for us once then this forum doesn't even know what a footballer is
    Fair point, though it's a little different this year. We usually only have 3 or 4 names that are must sign players who have never played for us, but this summer we had Stockton, May, McKirdy, Simpson and the entire Swindon squad.
  • Richard J
    Richard J Posts: 8,033
    Announce meltdown.


    Birmingham is a stone's throw from Walsall. Probably just catching up with Tracey & some of the lads 
    Leko has been in Brum’s match day squads and came on as a sub Saturday.
  • Garrymanilow
    Garrymanilow Posts: 13,175
    Scoham said:
    Scoham said:
    Never expected Bogle and Makienok to be mentioned on here as possible signings.
    Did you not? If they didn't score against us or play for us once then this forum doesn't even know what a footballer is
    Fair point, though it's a little different this year. We usually only have 3 or 4 names that are must sign players who have never played for us, but this summer we had Stockton, May, McKirdy, Simpson and the entire Swindon squad.
    Exactly. Two players who have scored against us and two players who played for Swindon under Garner, which at this point is basically the same thing as playing for us. People make fun of the black box but if we were in charge of it it would just shriek the names of people who looked a little bit better than Gunter at The Valley, which is everyone who played against us. Genuinely expecting someone to ask if we think Lawrie Wilson could be converted to a left sided centre back before the window closes.

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  • Swisdom
    Swisdom Posts: 14,977
    Humphrys was enquired about but is on a very good deal at Wigan.  He’s out of reach financially 
  • LargeAddick
    LargeAddick Posts: 32,589
    Cafc43v3r said:
    supaclive said:
    I've read all the comments re JFC- that it's not that simple, we won't let him prove himself, we may have to pay somebody to play him.

    Which completely answers my point.

    Why sign him again in the first place because we don't want him and we don't appear to be able to sell him!!!
    Shouldn't have given him a new contract when he was injured in the first place imo. Might have been harsh but we wouldn't be in this position (trying to recoup money we've spent on rehabilitation) in that case. Wouldn't have had a problem letting him use our facilities to get fit but essentially we've spent over 12 months treading water & now cant get him off our books.


    If you did that no one would play for the last month, or more, before their contracts run out and you would be the first to moan about it.
    Hundreds of players play whilst they are in the last months of their contracts. 

    As I said, unpopular thinking, but why give a new contract to a player who is injured. 
    I agreed with the contract extension last season as he got injured playing for us but why take up the option this summer? Just doesn’t make sense.
  • Manic_mania
    Manic_mania Posts: 2,262
    any possibility that league cup prize money and a home draw v a top 6 prem side (particularly if it gets televised) could potentially change the budget enough to make a difference or just wishful thinking?
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    any possibility that league cup prize money and a home draw v a top 6 prem side (particularly if it gets televised) could potentially change the budget enough to make a difference or just wishful thinking?
    Isn't the prize money for winning the league cup 100k?
  • Manic_mania
    Manic_mania Posts: 2,262
    Cafc43v3r said:
    any possibility that league cup prize money and a home draw v a top 6 prem side (particularly if it gets televised) could potentially change the budget enough to make a difference or just wishful thinking?
    Isn't the prize money for winning the league cup 100k?
    i think so far we are on prize money wise for about 20k but i was more leaning towards the home draw v top 6 and tv money which we would potentially know before the transfer window shuts.
  • Cafc43v3r said:
    any possibility that league cup prize money and a home draw v a top 6 prem side (particularly if it gets televised) could potentially change the budget enough to make a difference or just wishful thinking?
    Isn't the prize money for winning the league cup 100k?
    That and all the Carabao you could ever want to drink
  • Scoham
    Scoham Posts: 37,384
    Swisdom said:
    Humphrys was enquired about but is on a very good deal at Wigan.  He’s out of reach financially 
    May get to the point they loan him out and take whatever they can get?
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    Cafc43v3r said:
    any possibility that league cup prize money and a home draw v a top 6 prem side (particularly if it gets televised) could potentially change the budget enough to make a difference or just wishful thinking?
    Isn't the prize money for winning the league cup 100k?
    That and all the Carabao you could ever want to drink
    Rather than that have to drink Carling, need to get back to free TVs from Rumberlows IMO
  • mart77
    mart77 Posts: 5,658
    Scoham said:
    Swisdom said:
    Humphrys was enquired about but is on a very good deal at Wigan.  He’s out of reach financially 
    May get to the point they loan him out and take whatever they can get?
    Would love that but don’t think they’re as restricted as we are. I also think he’ll have plenty of suitors. 
  • Scoham
    Scoham Posts: 37,384
    mart77 said:
    Scoham said:
    Swisdom said:
    Humphrys was enquired about but is on a very good deal at Wigan.  He’s out of reach financially 
    May get to the point they loan him out and take whatever they can get?
    Would love that but don’t think they’re as restricted as we are. I also think he’ll have plenty of suitors. 
    Probably, though his goalscoring record isn't actually that impressive - he's made for us.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Humphrys#Career_statistics