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Summer 2022 transfer rumours (Gilbey loan confirmed p513, a signing falls through last minute p541)
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There's no reason that we have to have 6 senior midfielders though, especially as we have youngsters like Henry coming through, and others like Clare and Sessegnon who can also play there IF we had more cover in the full back areas.Garrymanilow said:MuttleyCAFC said:I would rather keep Clare over Egbo in all honesty. No way should we lose Clare and even more crazy to lose Dobson. Why did we sign McGrandles if we were short in other areas, why did we sign Aneke (we haven't had an answer to that one). Why did we take the option on JFC's contract if we want rid?We play with a midfield three, so we need 6 central midfielders to have proper squad cover. Garner has already shown he's big on rotating in the midfield. When we signed McGrandles he became the 6th centre mid in a squad where we were expecting two other midfielders to probably leave. We then signed Payne to make 7, though he's generally been played further forward rather than in the midfield three when he's played. If we hadn't signed McGrandles when we had the chance and he'd gone elsewhere and we'd still be looking to shift the other two but with no-one in. We'll probably shift Gilbey soon and possibly JFC on deadline day, and then we'd be running round feverishly trying to get centre mids in before the window closed while people whined that we always leave our business to the last minute and Sandgaard doesn't know how to build a squad. We'd also likely get a worse player because we shrugged our shoulders and ignored a target becoming available. Matt Smith v.3 anyone?The reason Clare has come up is because we're apparently talking to him about an extension and there's no indication we're going to lose Dobson either, there's not really a lot of need to panic about that just yet..
Players like Dobson and Morgan are the types who are likely to play the full 90 anyway, it's in forward positions where you need impact from the bench.1 -
So if DJ goes, does that give any credibility to Leko being with Tracey Leaburn? Probably just a pic because they were in the midlands.0
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Every transfer window we have our fans come out with the same stuff but
a) you don't do well when you sell your best players. We have surely learnt that over the last 12 months. Selling Clare/Dobson etc would be utter madness.
b) you don't get 2/3/4 windows to out a team together. We try that and all our current best players will have gone plus TS will be another £16M or so poorer.1 -
a) whilst I agree it would be madness to sell Clare or Dobson at the moment it's worth noting that this time last year most fans would have been happy flogging both to anyone that would take them.Athletico Charlton said:Every transfer window we have our fans come out with the same stuff but
a) you don't do well when you sell your best players. We have surely learnt that over the last 12 months. Selling Clare/Dobson etc would be utter madness.
b) you don't get 2/3/4 windows to out a team together. We try that and all our current best players will have gone plus TS will be another £16M or so poorer.1 -
Tut, tut, you promised us!golfaddick said:
That being the case I can only imagine the the jigsaw piece that is a striker has been put in the wrong box/under the sofa/been hoovered up never to be seen again. Our lovely 500 piece jigsaw puzzle, when finished, will have a great gaping piece missing right in the f**king centre for all to see.Oggy Red said:MuttleyCAFC said:I would rather keep Clare over Egbo in all honesty. No way should we lose Clare and even more crazy to lose Dobson. Why did we sign McGrandles if we were short in other areas, why did we sign Aneke (we haven't had an answer to that one). Why did we take the option on JFC's contract if we want rid?
Players tend to be signed in order of availability, rather than a predetermined sequence positionally.
Maybe because squad building is a jigsaw puzzle and all pieces are not in place yet?
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But this will be my last comment on the subject. Its been done to death. We all know we need another striker - be it to compete with Stockley or to replace him if he is out injured. It would be folly not to.
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I think you mean right at the f**king top! Dobson, Morgan & Fraser are in the f**king centre 🤷🏻♂️golfaddick said:
That being the case I can only imagine the the jigsaw piece that is a striker has been put in the wrong box/under the sofa/been hoovered up never to be seen again. Our lovely 500 piece jigsaw puzzle, when finished, will have a great gaping piece missing right in the f**king centre for all to see.Oggy Red said:MuttleyCAFC said:I would rather keep Clare over Egbo in all honesty. No way should we lose Clare and even more crazy to lose Dobson. Why did we sign McGrandles if we were short in other areas, why did we sign Aneke (we haven't had an answer to that one). Why did we take the option on JFC's contract if we want rid?
Players tend to be signed in order of availability, rather than a predetermined sequence positionally.
Maybe because squad building is a jigsaw puzzle and all pieces are not in place yet?3 -
Gilbey move to Lincoln is apparently close to collapsing, due to a chain. So sounds like a move our end isn’t happening or there is a delay,
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B is true is it not?Athletico Charlton said:Every transfer window we have our fans come out with the same stuff but
a) you don't do well when you sell your best players. We have surely learnt that over the last 12 months. Selling Clare/Dobson etc would be utter madness.
b) you don't get 2/3/4 windows to out a team together. We try that and all our current best players will have gone plus TS will be another £16M or so poorer.
Slow and steady is a perfectly good strategy IMO. If time is free.
Time is not free and we aren't going to be able to sell a player for the 5-8 million (depending on how realistic you think Thomas's projections are) next summer to cover the difference.
The people that say it's easy to spend someone else's money are actually spending someone else's money even faster.
If we can't, as is alleged, sign a striker because of JFCs wages, which are (much) less than 250k. Hell take the punt now and worst case "jog him on" in January and its only half that amount. We will be weaker next season.
Good luck breaking even in the 4th, 5th or heaven forbid 6th year of league 1 football.1 -
I'm not a journo but that is a fucking dreadful bit of reporting.Callumcafc said:
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Back to the house moving references:)RedRobin said:Gilbey move to Lincoln is apparently close to collapsing, due to a chain. So sounds like a move our end isn’t happening or there is a delay,1 -
I’d be gutted to lose Clare. He’s only going to keep improving.Clem_Snide said:Clare has been great so far this season, but we have Egbo to come in and he came with a big reputation. Sessengon can also cover there, also sounds like Chin is not far off being ready. If we are offered decent money for Clare I would probably take it on the basis that the money will be reinvested to strengthen other areas.7 -
I imagine the issues are at their end rather than ours. Maybe Lincoln have more urgent gaps in their squad to fill, due to injuries or a player leaving in another positionRedRobin said:Gilbey move to Lincoln is apparently close to collapsing, due to a chain. So sounds like a move our end isn’t happening or there is a delay,0 -
Another example of why we shouldn't place too much reliance on this or other journalists we don't know.RedRobin said:Gilbey move to Lincoln is apparently close to collapsing, due to a chain. So sounds like a move our end isn’t happening or there is a delay,
Our transfer business this summer have been played close to Steve Gallen's chest.
It maybe that Gilbey has, as Garner said, a knock or another deal at the Lincoln end has actually fallen through.
Or the guy is bullshitting.
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The guy is not reliable. He got lucky on one of our more obvious deals (Payne) earlier in the summer and is living off of it.5
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Certainly find what he says questionable after Garner's comments about him being available last night, but for a niggle.Callumcafc said:The guy is not reliable. He got lucky on one of our more obvious deals (Payne) earlier in the summer and is living off of it.
We can all sit here and call bullshit, but if it isnt true
Why say anything at all... Unless he's actually been asked about the Gilbey situation.0 -
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This is the kind of soft-headed thinking that must be challenged at all turnsFansince1963 said:22 -
I'm not sure Stockley's involvement is a key factor.Oggy Red said:
You're right in that Stockley has to score goals.soapboxsam said:Oggy Red said:
Watching all our League game highlights, you'll see that Fraser seems to be the main man designated to centrally support Stockley.soapboxsam said:Cafc43v3r said:
Almost all the signings we have made haven't fitted that, not sure why people think it's a criteria tbh.Henry Irving said:Lewis Grabben is an interesting one.
Croydon born, now 34 but was a regular for Forest last season.
Doesn't fit the young player with sell on potential model but if you want some experience he could be the man.
No idea if he can play Garnerball but he can score goals.
Lewis Grabban can probably play about 60 minutes max these days as he admitted last season when he said he has no problem coming off the bench.
Jayden Stockley is fitting into the Central striker's role well it's just he's not scoring but his headers have led to goals as the keepers have parried them to CBT and Sakyi I still believe Jayden is better with a player close by and Ben Garner may have to compromise as we have some big players and not to utilise Stockley, Leaburn and Inniss with quality high balls into the box would seem strange.
Inniss from set pieces; not playing as a striker !
We see our far side winger is required to get in the box at the far post from wide; and Morgan around the 'D'.
Fraser is the midfielder who moves off the ball to support Stockley in the box centrally.
Whether Stockley is scoring goals or not, he occupies and challenges the oppo CBs and keeper, while our support players ghost in more or less unmarked.
Anyway, that seems to be the plan. We've already scored several goals this way.
That is definitely the plan for playing 4-3-3 with the attacking midfielder supporting as well as the forward from the other flank getting into the box to get nearer to Stockley so he isn't isolated. Goals from Corey Blackett-Taylor and Rak Sakyi from efforts on goal from Jayden have shown how Garner is trying to get this through to the players. The Plymouth game is the only match it has worked for 90+ minutes and that was against 10 men so more space available.
Lots of pressure on Stockley, as he is leading the line well and is fitting in to the system but he has to score goals as well and not quite going in at the moment.
The amount of games, minutes we get out of Aneke will make or break our season even if they are 30 minute cameos including added time as I can't see a striker on the wage available coming into the club in this window.
Maybe in Jan, Thomas may be able to take a gamble with a six month loan if we are top 8 to push us on with a goal scoring forward that will blend in with the Managers idea of play ?
We live in hope.
But ....... the goals have been coming all around from others - with Stockley's involvement frequently being a key factor.
Not just with the goals actually scored, but also with chances not taken.
It may have only been 1-0 at the time Plymouth were reduced to 10 men (41st minute) but Stockley had already been vitally involved in the chances created up to then. It was his header that the keeper saved point blank for JRS to score the first that night; his aerial challenge that made the chance for Kirk that hit the outside post and of course his winning the ball and a great cross for Kirk's shot handled on the line for the penalty. Stockley himself scored the penalty efficiently.
Other games too: the open goal CBT winner against Derby, created because of Stockley's challenge on the cross.
Stockley himself should have scored against Cambridge - but nevertheless the save from his shot set up the clear chance for Fraser to score.
Some people are saying Stockley isn't doing enough because he's not yet scoring from open play - but while he lacks a bit of pace, he is making every effort to adapt his game to Garnerball, linking up play well, getting in the right places inside the box and well involved with chance creation, from which we are scoring goals.
Can we get a quicker forward than Stockley, more suited to Garnerball? Almost certainly if we are prepared to spend a big wedge.
Meanwhile, Stockley despite some limitations, is nevertheless well involved in chance creation and goals scored.
Plymouth, he should have scored for the JRS one, the cross for Kirk was poor, should have been early to Fraser, but took too long to sort himself out.
The winner against Derby is from a Morgan shot rebounded, he doesn't challenge for the ball and just runs at the near post, which is the run he makes 90% of the time and feels like an instruction, which could be carried out by anyone.
Lucky versus Cambridge that Fraser was there to spare his blushes.
Yes he is working hard, but he is also a key component in our moves breaking down. Alot of the passes he makes are very simple, safe and easy, anything beyond that goes astray. JS doesn't play that ball last night into DJs path, not in a month of Sundays.
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I don’t blame him for leaving Charlton. I do blame him for refusing to play for Charlton for nine games (I think it was nine?) and getting us relegated.Fansince1963 said:19 -
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This is all smoke and mirrors and a lot of ITK accounts are based on guesswork.
Cawley ‘broke’ that Gilbey was being chased by three clubs I suspect our friend published based on that.3 -
Is this Lyle's agent?Fansince1963 said:0 -
"Heroics".Callumcafc said:
Yep it's up there in Charlton folklore with Mendonca's hat trick and Kim Grant in the snow.5 -
Southall was booted out before Taylor went on strike.....just sayingFansince1963 said:1 -
I see what you mean there but I was looking at the bigger picture (pun not intended) that when looking at a puzzle that's has a piece missing its more noticable when the hole is in the middle of the puzzle, rather than the side or top.TelMc32 said:
I think you mean right at the f**king top! Dobson, Morgan & Fraser are in the f**king centre 🤷🏻♂️golfaddick said:
That being the case I can only imagine the the jigsaw piece that is a striker has been put in the wrong box/under the sofa/been hoovered up never to be seen again. Our lovely 500 piece jigsaw puzzle, when finished, will have a great gaping piece missing right in the f**king centre for all to see.Oggy Red said:MuttleyCAFC said:I would rather keep Clare over Egbo in all honesty. No way should we lose Clare and even more crazy to lose Dobson. Why did we sign McGrandles if we were short in other areas, why did we sign Aneke (we haven't had an answer to that one). Why did we take the option on JFC's contract if we want rid?
Players tend to be signed in order of availability, rather than a predetermined sequence positionally.
Maybe because squad building is a jigsaw puzzle and all pieces are not in place yet?0 -
I still live in hope that we are playing roulette with deadline day.
Things are certainly going down to the wire and I’m as certain in my own mind that we have a few moves and angles in mind…..but whether any of them come to fruition is of course another thing altogether.
One thing leaving it so late is that deals can backfire and you end up with no one, or second or third choices at best!
Personally, I wouldn’t mind us pitching in for Lewis Grabban.3 -
Six business days left before the deadline passes.0
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All I can say is if we leave it until deadline day & then a deal for a striker falls apart & we end up not signing one then this season is going to be a waste.
We have had since June to sign a striker and knew we were light up front ever since we let Washington leave.We've signed so many midfielders/wingers we are now having to unload 1 or 2 fringe players just to give us the option of signing someone. With the news that Aneke could be weeks away from even making the bench (thus missing the first 10 or 12 games) means we are going into games with just 2 strikers (one of which is young & inexperienced and imo about as good as Davison). No other League 1 club who is seriously looking at promotion would leave themselves in this position.
Madness.12 -
Yep and you would trust Paul Elliottttttt to see you right.Todds_right_hook said:
Southall was booted out before Taylor went on strike.....just sayingFansince1963 said:0 -
Wonder if Lincoln have decided to try and buy him instead. It mentions they’ve only got two loan slots left.
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