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MuttleyCAFC said:Is raising concerns whining? Let's agree to differ. We all want the club to do well and let's hope we do.0
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MuttleyCAFC said:Out of interest, why has he lost interest?0
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At least in League One we should be able to have a good winning spell. As long as we do the right things.0
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paulfox said:MuttleyCAFC said:Knowing what is going on with the club you love is important. We are in a league we shouldn't be in and the longer we are in it the more damage is inflicted on us. Being critical about everything is wrong but so is being a happy clapper.Ā
I haven't got enough information about Sandgaard to assume he will not be a success. Ultimately, however well or badly we are run off the pitch, the biggest positive would be success on the pitch. It is just when you see what looks like basic errors off the pitch, it is natural to be suspicious of what you see on the pitch.
I heard murmours about the club being a shambles last season, both from some on here and elsewhere. That concerns me. But in the short term. If Garner is the right man and he is backed, we could get that jump we need. But my view of Sandgaard is that he hasn't got the football knowledge not to have a competent CEO. That can change but my rule in life is when you are searching for the truth, the final place you should look for it is where you want it to be.Ā
I'm sure TS would agree that the constant turnover of staff (particularly as now most are appointments he made) is not what he saw happening, as this i believe as been detrimentalĀ to him taking us forward as he would have hopedĀ
As many have pointed out all the time we are at this level the club simply cannot function. It will lose circa £8m per year whoever the owner is. At presant TS is funding that shortfall and for that I am grateful. But he came into this not to plug a hole in our cash flow in the 3rd tier. He wants a lot more. Simply he/we need to get promoted ASAP
You talk about taking stuff up with the club, I have done tha, spent numerous hours of my time giving them my thoughts and ideas. In the end Wayne Mumford promised to involve me, he simply never did. I'm more than happy to help the club in anyway I can.
Finally you say it would be better just supporting the team. I have bought mine and my 3 boys season tickets for next season. I have also bought train tickets for Accrington for the 3 of us, and travel plans advanced for Wednesday, Wycombe and Bolton. If that's not supporting the club, I'm not sure I can give any more17 -
JohnnyH2 said:paulfox said:MuttleyCAFC said:Knowing what is going on with the club you love is important. We are in a league we shouldn't be in and the longer we are in it the more damage is inflicted on us. Being critical about everything is wrong but so is being a happy clapper.Ā
I haven't got enough information about Sandgaard to assume he will not be a success. Ultimately, however well or badly we are run off the pitch, the biggest positive would be success on the pitch. It is just when you see what looks like basic errors off the pitch, it is natural to be suspicious of what you see on the pitch.
I heard murmours about the club being a shambles last season, both from some on here and elsewhere. That concerns me. But in the short term. If Garner is the right man and he is backed, we could get that jump we need. But my view of Sandgaard is that he hasn't got the football knowledge not to have a competent CEO. That can change but my rule in life is when you are searching for the truth, the final place you should look for it is where you want it to be.Ā
I'm sure TS would agree that the constant turnover of staff (particularly as now most are appointments he made) is not what he saw happening, as this i believe as been detrimentalĀ to him taking us forward as he would have hopedĀ
As many have pointed out all the time we are at this level the club simply cannot function. It will lose circa £8m per year whoever the owner is. At presant TS is funding that shortfall and for that I am grateful. But he came into this not to plug a hole in our cash flow in the 3rd tier. He wants a lot more. Simply he/we need to get promoted ASAP
You talk about taking stuff up with the club, I have done tha, spent numerous hours of my time giving them my thoughts and ideas. In the end Wayne Mumford promised to involve me, he simply never did. I'm more than happy to help the club in anyway I can.
Finally you say it would be better just supporting the team. I have bought mine and my 3 boys season tickets for next season. I have also bought train tickets for Accrington for the 3 of us, and travel plans advanced for Wednesday, Wycombe and Bolton. If that's not supporting the club, I'm not sure I can give any more
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I must have missed the memo where we were told it is impossible to support someone whilst also criticising some of the things they do.Ā9
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JohnnyH2 said:paulfox said:MuttleyCAFC said:Knowing what is going on with the club you love is important. We are in a league we shouldn't be in and the longer we are in it the more damage is inflicted on us. Being critical about everything is wrong but so is being a happy clapper.Ā
I haven't got enough information about Sandgaard to assume he will not be a success. Ultimately, however well or badly we are run off the pitch, the biggest positive would be success on the pitch. It is just when you see what looks like basic errors off the pitch, it is natural to be suspicious of what you see on the pitch.
I heard murmours about the club being a shambles last season, both from some on here and elsewhere. That concerns me. But in the short term. If Garner is the right man and he is backed, we could get that jump we need. But my view of Sandgaard is that he hasn't got the football knowledge not to have a competent CEO. That can change but my rule in life is when you are searching for the truth, the final place you should look for it is where you want it to be.Ā
I'm sure TS would agree that the constant turnover of staff (particularly as now most are appointments he made) is not what he saw happening, as this i believe as been detrimentalĀ to him taking us forward as he would have hopedĀ
As many have pointed out all the time we are at this level the club simply cannot function. It will lose circa £8m per year whoever the owner is. At presant TS is funding that shortfall and for that I am grateful. But he came into this not to plug a hole in our cash flow in the 3rd tier. He wants a lot more. Simply he/we need to get promoted ASAP
You talk about taking stuff up with the club, I have done tha, spent numerous hours of my time giving them my thoughts and ideas. In the end Wayne Mumford promised to involve me, he simply never did. I'm more than happy to help the club in anyway I can.
Finally you say it would be better just supporting the team. I have bought mine and my 3 boys season tickets for next season. I have also bought train tickets for Accrington for the 3 of us, and travel plans advanced for Wednesday, Wycombe and Bolton. If that's not supporting the club, I'm not sure I can give any more0 -
paulfox said:MuttleyCAFC said:I have heard that the club was a shambles behind the scenes from other sources which I won't name. Stop attacking people for being cautious. We all want our club to succeed but you can't drum doubts out of people. What happens on the pitch and off it will do that.
With the advent of social media, for good or ill, we appear a more divided society as a result and we see those divisions in all walks of life, on here being no exception. We all want Charlton to win though, on that we can all agree.
I freely admit to getting carried away on a wave of optimism for the coming season and probably am letting my heart rule my head. It's my revolutionary new 'glass half full' attitude, alien to me though much of my Charlton supporting history. I started going back in Andy Nelson's final season in charge and my first ever chant was "Nelson Out" which I'd sing straining every sinew in my neck to project it out with as much anger as possible. Such Happy Days! So you could say protesting about Charlton has become second nature to me.
And therein lies the crux of the matter for me. Because we've had to put up with so much shi*t in the past, and have had to act collectively to do something about it, I can see now that I'm guilty of assuming that any criticism coming the owners way means his detractors automatically want rid of him, rather than wanting or allowing him the time to to reform.Ā It's all black and white, good versus evil, saint or sinner, you get the picture. We see it in politics all the time. I have to get it into my head that not all who disagree with him are primed to start tearing up bed sheets, wet or otherwise, and reach for the plastic pigs.
That's my fault, but its a perception I have because of the past when such battles were valiantly fought and won. The only battles I want to see this season though will be fought on the pitch, and Wollacott has a hard punch, or so we're told, so we should be in good shape there.
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Things went great on the pitch with Jiminez and co for a while but there was doubt in the background to the set up and it all fell down and we were sold to the rat then to the crooks then to TS .
the whole issue was and always is the money side (edit:for us to keep on running as a going concern as a football club )
TS wonāt have infinite cash to burn on us , he might and great if he does , trial and error and weāll hopefully get to a stable footing in the championship (our natural fighting weight )
If we get it right on the pitch that helps off it but you need genuine clued up leadership off it and all aligned to keep the good ship Charlton sailing at all times so we can navigate what lies ahead .
of course thereās nothing anyone can do when a control freak is not willing to lose a bit of control and thatās whatās happening here imoĀ
I can understand why people are concerned on here because most of us are in to the ins and outs of a ducksš¦ arse where Charlton are concerned .š
no one on here is calling for protests but Paul š¦ appears to snipe at every thing with some sarcy defence mechanism and a few emojis š³š„“šš
as for your son Foxy having coaxed 4 kids perfectly brainwashed in to season ticket holding Addicks (and one was a non interested petrol head) sweets , biscuits , pizza afterwards, constant lying about how long left , keeping him warm , telling him his mates donāt go and see their team their not real fans , Jedi mind tricks , derren brown hypnotism , threats verbal and physical , everything and anything ⦠do not give up , he has to become an Addick šš¤Ŗš
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I successfully coaxed my 21 year old into becoming an addick through some grim years with the odd positive moment/s. Bribary is and always will be the answer. He'd get a day out, lunch at McDonalds and a wrestling figure from Smyths and it did the trick despite some poor results.3
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swordfish said:paulfox said:MuttleyCAFC said:I have heard that the club was a shambles behind the scenes from other sources which I won't name. Stop attacking people for being cautious. We all want our club to succeed but you can't drum doubts out of people. What happens on the pitch and off it will do that.
With the advent of social media, for good or ill, we appear a more divided society as a result and we see those divisions in all walks of life, on here being no exception. We all want Charlton to win though, on that we can all agree.
I freely admit to getting carried away on a wave of optimism for the coming season and probably am letting my heart rule my head. It's my revolutionary new 'glass half full' attitude, alien to me though much of my Charlton supporting history. I started going back in Andy Nelson's final season in charge and my first ever chant was "Nelson Out" which I'd sing straining every sinew in my neck to project it out with as much anger as possible. Such Happy Days! So you could say protesting about Charlton has become second nature to me.
And therein lies the crux of the matter for me. Because we've had to put up with so much shi*t in the past, and have had to act collectively to do something about it, I can see now that I'm guilty of assuming that any criticism coming the owners way means his detractors automatically want rid of him, rather than wanting or allowing him the time to to reform.Ā It's all black and white, good versus evil, saint or sinner, you get the picture. We see it in politics all the time. I have to get it into my head that not all who disagree with him are primed to start tearing up bed sheets, wet or otherwise, and reach for the plastic pigs.
That's my fault, but its a perception I have because of the past when such battles were valiantly fought and won. The only battles I want to see this season though will be fought on the pitch, and Wollacott has a hard punch, or so we're told, so we should be in good shape there.1 -
I intend to win Euromillions on Tuesday. Once that happens I buy the training ground and Valley from Roland.
No ifs no buts.5 -
Dazzler21 said:ValleyGary said:If the footballs shit, then we can scream, shout and not turn up.
With the Ops side, there's not a lot we can do. We dont know the details, we dont sit in on the meetings or constantly see the figures. Its not 'bury heads in the sand', its more, well for me, realising i wont get stressed out by things totally out of our control.Ā
I absolutely think TS needs to up his game on the club management side of things btw.
'we've gotta control the controllables, as best we can'
It's like he's trying to send a message to his disciples, but does he have any? Who seriously gives a shit what he says every morning? Now or then.0
Seems to me that doing that sort of thing is his way of convincing himself hes in control , when actually the voices in his head are telling him otherwise.
At first blush it's just drivel. But the more you think about it the more you realiseĀ he's fucking mental!5 -
seth plum said:I intend to win Euromillions on Tuesday. Once that happens I buy the training ground and Valley from Roland.
No ifs no buts.0 -
I must admit that I like Adkins. I think he was set up to fail but he seems a decent, positive bloke to me.8
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paulfox said:seth plum said:I intend to win Euromillions on Tuesday. Once that happens I buy the training ground and Valley from Roland.
No ifs no buts.
After all I am a Johnny come lately flakey fan who lacks commitment to the club.
I might be persuaded to sign the Valley over to the supporters trust, once it gets to 5000 members.1 -
FishCostaFortune said:JohnnyH2 said:paulfox said:MuttleyCAFC said:Knowing what is going on with the club you love is important. We are in a league we shouldn't be in and the longer we are in it the more damage is inflicted on us. Being critical about everything is wrong but so is being a happy clapper.Ā
I haven't got enough information about Sandgaard to assume he will not be a success. Ultimately, however well or badly we are run off the pitch, the biggest positive would be success on the pitch. It is just when you see what looks like basic errors off the pitch, it is natural to be suspicious of what you see on the pitch.
I heard murmours about the club being a shambles last season, both from some on here and elsewhere. That concerns me. But in the short term. If Garner is the right man and he is backed, we could get that jump we need. But my view of Sandgaard is that he hasn't got the football knowledge not to have a competent CEO. That can change but my rule in life is when you are searching for the truth, the final place you should look for it is where you want it to be.Ā
I'm sure TS would agree that the constant turnover of staff (particularly as now most are appointments he made) is not what he saw happening, as this i believe as been detrimentalĀ to him taking us forward as he would have hopedĀ
As many have pointed out all the time we are at this level the club simply cannot function. It will lose circa £8m per year whoever the owner is. At presant TS is funding that shortfall and for that I am grateful. But he came into this not to plug a hole in our cash flow in the 3rd tier. He wants a lot more. Simply he/we need to get promoted ASAP
You talk about taking stuff up with the club, I have done tha, spent numerous hours of my time giving them my thoughts and ideas. In the end Wayne Mumford promised to involve me, he simply never did. I'm more than happy to help the club in anyway I can.
Finally you say it would be better just supporting the team. I have bought mine and my 3 boys season tickets for next season. I have also bought train tickets for Accrington for the 3 of us, and travel plans advanced for Wednesday, Wycombe and Bolton. If that's not supporting the club, I'm not sure I can give any more4 -
oohaahmortimer said:Things went great on the pitch with Jiminez and co for a while but there was doubt in the background to the set up and it all fell down and we were sold to the rat then to the crooks then to TS .
the whole issue was and always is the money side (edit:for us to keep on running as a going concern as a football club )
TS wonāt have infinite cash to burn on us , he might and great if he does , trial and error and weāll hopefully get to a stable footing in the championship (our natural fighting weight )
If we get it right on the pitch that helps off it but you need genuine clued up leadership off it and all aligned to keep the good ship Charlton sailing at all times so we can navigate what lies ahead .
of course thereās nothing anyone can do when a control freak is not willing to lose a bit of control and thatās whatās happening here imoĀ
I can understand why people are concerned on here because most of us are in to the ins and outs of a ducksš¦ arse where Charlton are concerned .š
no one on here is calling for protests but Paul š¦ appears to snipe at every thing with some sarcy defence mechanism and a few emojis š³š„“šš
as for your son Foxy having coaxed 4 kids perfectly brainwashed in to season ticket holding Addicks (and one was a non interested petrol head) sweets , biscuits , pizza afterwards, constant lying about how long left , keeping him warm , telling him his mates donāt go and see their team their not real fans , Jedi mind tricks , derren brown hypnotism , threats verbal and physical , everything and anything ⦠do not give up , he has to become an Addick šš¤Ŗš1 -
I think you need to chill š¦y Ā
I donāt think youāre a prickĀ
youāve just got far too touchy of late and I had you down as one of the kool kidz like me .
and for the record I donāt think anyone is missing a protest , theyāre far too much agg š9 -
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Minute's applause at Derby game for Jokat?
"All clap for a BJ". Let's get this trending on twitter people.13 -
oohaahmortimer said:I think you need to chill š¦y Ā
I donāt think youāre a prickĀ
youāve just got far too touchy of late and I had you down as one of the kool kidz like me .
and for the record I donāt think anyone is missing a protest , theyāre far too much agg š0 -
RodneyCharltonTrotta said:Minute's applause at Derby game for Jokat?
"All clap for a BJ". Let's get this trending on twitter people.7 -
RodneyCharltonTrotta said:Minute's applause at Derby game for Jokat?
"All clap for a BJ". Let's get this trending on twitter people.3 -
paulfox said:oohaahmortimer said:Things went great on the pitch with Jiminez and co for a while but there was doubt in the background to the set up and it all fell down and we were sold to the rat then to the crooks then to TS .
the whole issue was and always is the money side (edit:for us to keep on running as a going concern as a football club )
TS wonāt have infinite cash to burn on us , he might and great if he does , trial and error and weāll hopefully get to a stable footing in the championship (our natural fighting weight )
If we get it right on the pitch that helps off it but you need genuine clued up leadership off it and all aligned to keep the good ship Charlton sailing at all times so we can navigate what lies ahead .
of course thereās nothing anyone can do when a control freak is not willing to lose a bit of control and thatās whatās happening here imoĀ
I can understand why people are concerned on here because most of us are in to the ins and outs of a ducksš¦ arse where Charlton are concerned .š
no one on here is calling for protests but Paul š¦ appears to snipe at every thing with some sarcy defence mechanism and a few emojis š³š„“šš
as for your son Foxy having coaxed 4 kids perfectly brainwashed in to season ticket holding Addicks (and one was a non interested petrol head) sweets , biscuits , pizza afterwards, constant lying about how long left , keeping him warm , telling him his mates donāt go and see their team their not real fans , Jedi mind tricks , derren brown hypnotism , threats verbal and physical , everything and anything ⦠do not give up , he has to become an Addick šš¤Ŗš
But after all the shite Charlton have been through since Roland got his wrinkly hand on the club I think it's fair to say a lot of fans myself included find it hard to see too many positives while we are a struggling league one club.
Some people try and see the positive side in any given situation and some don't.
This is a very large football forum and as such people will have different opinions but by and large it's all done in a polite way.Ā
Twatter is where things get toxic and I don't venture over there.Ā
But on here it's just a group of fans giving their opinion.Ā
Long may it continue.Ā16 -
blackpool72 said:paulfox said:oohaahmortimer said:Things went great on the pitch with Jiminez and co for a while but there was doubt in the background to the set up and it all fell down and we were sold to the rat then to the crooks then to TS .
the whole issue was and always is the money side (edit:for us to keep on running as a going concern as a football club )
TS wonāt have infinite cash to burn on us , he might and great if he does , trial and error and weāll hopefully get to a stable footing in the championship (our natural fighting weight )
If we get it right on the pitch that helps off it but you need genuine clued up leadership off it and all aligned to keep the good ship Charlton sailing at all times so we can navigate what lies ahead .
of course thereās nothing anyone can do when a control freak is not willing to lose a bit of control and thatās whatās happening here imoĀ
I can understand why people are concerned on here because most of us are in to the ins and outs of a ducksš¦ arse where Charlton are concerned .š
no one on here is calling for protests but Paul š¦ appears to snipe at every thing with some sarcy defence mechanism and a few emojis š³š„“šš
as for your son Foxy having coaxed 4 kids perfectly brainwashed in to season ticket holding Addicks (and one was a non interested petrol head) sweets , biscuits , pizza afterwards, constant lying about how long left , keeping him warm , telling him his mates donāt go and see their team their not real fans , Jedi mind tricks , derren brown hypnotism , threats verbal and physical , everything and anything ⦠do not give up , he has to become an Addick šš¤Ŗš
But after all the shite Charlton have been through since Roland got his wrinkly hand on the club I think it's fair to say a lot of fans myself included find it hard to see too many positives while we are a struggling league one club.
Some people try and see the positive side in any given situation and some don't.
This is a very large football forum and as such people will have different opinions but by and large it's all done in a polite way.Ā
Twatter is where things get toxic and I don't venture over there.Ā
But on here it's just a group of fans giving their opinion.Ā
Long may it continue.Ā0 -
paulfox said:shirty5 said:paulfox said:Scoham said:Fanny Fanackapan said:Great posts from cabbles & Rob7Lee that perfectly sum up just where TS is failing in his approach.Ā
Like them and others, I fear that his lack of experience/knowledge, together with his stubbornness to listen to those who have gained success in the business, may be his downfall when income from his modus operandi fails to make a significant addition to his coffers.
This is NOT, as a Lifer stated, wanting him to fail. That's ridiculous.Ā
But it MIGHT be the reason why he may have to closely examine his motives for owning a L1 football club and reconsider his position.Ā
And as has been stated many times, it won't be a walk in the park to sell a club which doesn't own its ground & training ground.Ā
Problem is, IMO, too many fans are burying their heads in the sand...Ā
What should we do as a fan base? Genuine question, I have concerns too but I can see thereās a different approach with recruitment with a focus on a style rather than simply buying players based on a 4-3-3 formation regardless of how they fit together and no idea how we want to play.
If we turn things around on the pitch the majority will be happy. If we in the same sort of position as last October then I can see talk of protests ramping up.
I also donāt see TS being the owner in a year or two if weāre still in L1 (or worse).5 -
JohnnyH2 said:paulfox said:MuttleyCAFC said:Knowing what is going on with the club you love is important. We are in a league we shouldn't be in and the longer we are in it the more damage is inflicted on us. Being critical about everything is wrong but so is being a happy clapper.Ā
I haven't got enough information about Sandgaard to assume he will not be a success. Ultimately, however well or badly we are run off the pitch, the biggest positive would be success on the pitch. It is just when you see what looks like basic errors off the pitch, it is natural to be suspicious of what you see on the pitch.
I heard murmours about the club being a shambles last season, both from some on here and elsewhere. That concerns me. But in the short term. If Garner is the right man and he is backed, we could get that jump we need. But my view of Sandgaard is that he hasn't got the football knowledge not to have a competent CEO. That can change but my rule in life is when you are searching for the truth, the final place you should look for it is where you want it to be.Ā
I'm sure TS would agree that the constant turnover of staff (particularly as now most are appointments he made) is not what he saw happening, as this i believe as been detrimentalĀ to him taking us forward as he would have hopedĀ
As many have pointed out all the time we are at this level the club simply cannot function. It will lose circa £8m per year whoever the owner is. At presant TS is funding that shortfall and for that I am grateful. But he came into this not to plug a hole in our cash flow in the 3rd tier. He wants a lot more. Simply he/we need to get promoted ASAP
You talk about taking stuff up with the club, I have done tha, spent numerous hours of my time giving them my thoughts and ideas. In the end Wayne Mumford promised to involve me, he simply never did. I'm more than happy to help the club in anyway I can.
Finally you say it would be better just supporting the team. I have bought mine and my 3 boys season tickets for next season. I have also bought train tickets for Accrington for the 3 of us, and travel plans advanced for Wednesday, Wycombe and Bolton. If that's not supporting the club, I'm not sure I can give any more0 -
ElfsborgAddick said:paulfox said:shirty5 said:paulfox said:Scoham said:Fanny Fanackapan said:Great posts from cabbles & Rob7Lee that perfectly sum up just where TS is failing in his approach.Ā
Like them and others, I fear that his lack of experience/knowledge, together with his stubbornness to listen to those who have gained success in the business, may be his downfall when income from his modus operandi fails to make a significant addition to his coffers.
This is NOT, as a Lifer stated, wanting him to fail. That's ridiculous.Ā
But it MIGHT be the reason why he may have to closely examine his motives for owning a L1 football club and reconsider his position.Ā
And as has been stated many times, it won't be a walk in the park to sell a club which doesn't own its ground & training ground.Ā
Problem is, IMO, too many fans are burying their heads in the sand...Ā
What should we do as a fan base? Genuine question, I have concerns too but I can see thereās a different approach with recruitment with a focus on a style rather than simply buying players based on a 4-3-3 formation regardless of how they fit together and no idea how we want to play.
If we turn things around on the pitch the majority will be happy. If we in the same sort of position as last October then I can see talk of protests ramping up.
I also donāt see TS being the owner in a year or two if weāre still in L1 (or worse).0 -
paulfox said:ElfsborgAddick said:paulfox said:shirty5 said:paulfox said:Scoham said:Fanny Fanackapan said:Great posts from cabbles & Rob7Lee that perfectly sum up just where TS is failing in his approach.Ā
Like them and others, I fear that his lack of experience/knowledge, together with his stubbornness to listen to those who have gained success in the business, may be his downfall when income from his modus operandi fails to make a significant addition to his coffers.
This is NOT, as a Lifer stated, wanting him to fail. That's ridiculous.Ā
But it MIGHT be the reason why he may have to closely examine his motives for owning a L1 football club and reconsider his position.Ā
And as has been stated many times, it won't be a walk in the park to sell a club which doesn't own its ground & training ground.Ā
Problem is, IMO, too many fans are burying their heads in the sand...Ā
What should we do as a fan base? Genuine question, I have concerns too but I can see thereās a different approach with recruitment with a focus on a style rather than simply buying players based on a 4-3-3 formation regardless of how they fit together and no idea how we want to play.
If we turn things around on the pitch the majority will be happy. If we in the same sort of position as last October then I can see talk of protests ramping up.
I also donāt see TS being the owner in a year or two if weāre still in L1 (or worse).5