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Sorry but Jackson has to go.
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Scoham said:cafc999 said:Cafc43v3r said:FishCostaFortune said:As someone who outside of Charlton does not have a terrible amount of knowledge of the football league, I find the subject of managerial stability an interesting one to explore.What as fans do we define as a period of stability for a manager to be effective, and is there examples of that time frame being effective - particularly for teams who have ambitions of promotion? My general uneducated view is that there is a manager ‘merry go around’ that exists where managers get around a year or so before being moved on if not meeting the clubs ambitions.
They are also the two clubs that are "over achieving". Cause or effect?
Every game we seem to pick a different XI which again does not help.
Really want him to do well but I think he needs someone with him to learn from0 -
rikofold said:cafcfan1990 said:Cafc43v3r said:cafcfan1990 said:Cafc43v3r said:Cardinal Sin said:
The starting point is the 3 midfielders and what roles you want them to do. Not just chuck 3 in there who are notionally midfielders. That's what we have done for the last two seasons and it doesn't work, at all. Gilbey has had about 5 different roles in 5 different formations. League 1 players aren't good enough to do that.
After doing that there is no right or wrong way to go as long as you have the players to play the roles you need and provide the other qualities all good teams have.
We have had to play 3 at the back because for half the season, probably more we haven't had a fit back 4.
A back 3 is probably Jackson's preference but he hasn't had the option every week of a back 4, which has made the flexibility people are asking for harder.
Clare in a two is back to Pratley and Gunter levels of last season. If we had used a back 3 last season more often we might not have missed out on the play offs.
However, Jackson didn't revert to a back 4 even when we had the options and were in dire form. The fact we've stuck to the same formation every single week makes it clear it's about his preference, and not because of injuries.
We seem to have a very selective memory on here. The first 13 games with a flat back 4 we conceded 25 goals, including the same goal - cutting in from the left, given time and space to slot past our keeper from 20 yards - time and time again. After the switch from a flat back four under Jacko we stopped conceding and started winning clean sheets, 4 in his first 5 games.
We don't have the pace at the back to handle a flat back 4. Neither full back is quick, and Clare apart there is no pace at all. This is one of the biggest problems with the squad in my view, and especially in defence.
We had 6 points with a quarter of the season gone. Very few of us imagined promotion was a possibility at that time, so the suggestion we've underperformed with Jacko is misplaced imo. We were woeful.under Adkins, the recruitment was poor, and Jacko's made probably as much as could have been made from this team, especially given injuries wiped out our entire defence and entire attack at times.0 -
cafcfan1990 said:rikofold said:cafcfan1990 said:Cafc43v3r said:cafcfan1990 said:Cafc43v3r said:Cardinal Sin said:
The starting point is the 3 midfielders and what roles you want them to do. Not just chuck 3 in there who are notionally midfielders. That's what we have done for the last two seasons and it doesn't work, at all. Gilbey has had about 5 different roles in 5 different formations. League 1 players aren't good enough to do that.
After doing that there is no right or wrong way to go as long as you have the players to play the roles you need and provide the other qualities all good teams have.
We have had to play 3 at the back because for half the season, probably more we haven't had a fit back 4.
A back 3 is probably Jackson's preference but he hasn't had the option every week of a back 4, which has made the flexibility people are asking for harder.
Clare in a two is back to Pratley and Gunter levels of last season. If we had used a back 3 last season more often we might not have missed out on the play offs.
However, Jackson didn't revert to a back 4 even when we had the options and were in dire form. The fact we've stuck to the same formation every single week makes it clear it's about his preference, and not because of injuries.
We seem to have a very selective memory on here. The first 13 games with a flat back 4 we conceded 25 goals, including the same goal - cutting in from the left, given time and space to slot past our keeper from 20 yards - time and time again. After the switch from a flat back four under Jacko we stopped conceding and started winning clean sheets, 4 in his first 5 games.
We don't have the pace at the back to handle a flat back 4. Neither full back is quick, and Clare apart there is no pace at all. This is one of the biggest problems with the squad in my view, and especially in defence.
We had 6 points with a quarter of the season gone. Very few of us imagined promotion was a possibility at that time, so the suggestion we've underperformed with Jacko is misplaced imo. We were woeful.under Adkins, the recruitment was poor, and Jacko's made probably as much as could have been made from this team, especially given injuries wiped out our entire defence and entire attack at times.
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cafc999 said:cafcfan1990 said:rikofold said:cafcfan1990 said:Cafc43v3r said:cafcfan1990 said:Cafc43v3r said:Cardinal Sin said:
The starting point is the 3 midfielders and what roles you want them to do. Not just chuck 3 in there who are notionally midfielders. That's what we have done for the last two seasons and it doesn't work, at all. Gilbey has had about 5 different roles in 5 different formations. League 1 players aren't good enough to do that.
After doing that there is no right or wrong way to go as long as you have the players to play the roles you need and provide the other qualities all good teams have.
We have had to play 3 at the back because for half the season, probably more we haven't had a fit back 4.
A back 3 is probably Jackson's preference but he hasn't had the option every week of a back 4, which has made the flexibility people are asking for harder.
Clare in a two is back to Pratley and Gunter levels of last season. If we had used a back 3 last season more often we might not have missed out on the play offs.
However, Jackson didn't revert to a back 4 even when we had the options and were in dire form. The fact we've stuck to the same formation every single week makes it clear it's about his preference, and not because of injuries.
We seem to have a very selective memory on here. The first 13 games with a flat back 4 we conceded 25 goals, including the same goal - cutting in from the left, given time and space to slot past our keeper from 20 yards - time and time again. After the switch from a flat back four under Jacko we stopped conceding and started winning clean sheets, 4 in his first 5 games.
We don't have the pace at the back to handle a flat back 4. Neither full back is quick, and Clare apart there is no pace at all. This is one of the biggest problems with the squad in my view, and especially in defence.
We had 6 points with a quarter of the season gone. Very few of us imagined promotion was a possibility at that time, so the suggestion we've underperformed with Jacko is misplaced imo. We were woeful.under Adkins, the recruitment was poor, and Jacko's made probably as much as could have been made from this team, especially given injuries wiped out our entire defence and entire attack at times.0 -
BR7_addick said:cafc999 said:cafcfan1990 said:rikofold said:cafcfan1990 said:Cafc43v3r said:cafcfan1990 said:Cafc43v3r said:Cardinal Sin said:
The starting point is the 3 midfielders and what roles you want them to do. Not just chuck 3 in there who are notionally midfielders. That's what we have done for the last two seasons and it doesn't work, at all. Gilbey has had about 5 different roles in 5 different formations. League 1 players aren't good enough to do that.
After doing that there is no right or wrong way to go as long as you have the players to play the roles you need and provide the other qualities all good teams have.
We have had to play 3 at the back because for half the season, probably more we haven't had a fit back 4.
A back 3 is probably Jackson's preference but he hasn't had the option every week of a back 4, which has made the flexibility people are asking for harder.
Clare in a two is back to Pratley and Gunter levels of last season. If we had used a back 3 last season more often we might not have missed out on the play offs.
However, Jackson didn't revert to a back 4 even when we had the options and were in dire form. The fact we've stuck to the same formation every single week makes it clear it's about his preference, and not because of injuries.
We seem to have a very selective memory on here. The first 13 games with a flat back 4 we conceded 25 goals, including the same goal - cutting in from the left, given time and space to slot past our keeper from 20 yards - time and time again. After the switch from a flat back four under Jacko we stopped conceding and started winning clean sheets, 4 in his first 5 games.
We don't have the pace at the back to handle a flat back 4. Neither full back is quick, and Clare apart there is no pace at all. This is one of the biggest problems with the squad in my view, and especially in defence.
We had 6 points with a quarter of the season gone. Very few of us imagined promotion was a possibility at that time, so the suggestion we've underperformed with Jacko is misplaced imo. We were woeful.under Adkins, the recruitment was poor, and Jacko's made probably as much as could have been made from this team, especially given injuries wiped out our entire defence and entire attack at times.2 -
Cafc43v3r said:Scoham said:cafc999 said:Cafc43v3r said:FishCostaFortune said:As someone who outside of Charlton does not have a terrible amount of knowledge of the football league, I find the subject of managerial stability an interesting one to explore.What as fans do we define as a period of stability for a manager to be effective, and is there examples of that time frame being effective - particularly for teams who have ambitions of promotion? My general uneducated view is that there is a manager ‘merry go around’ that exists where managers get around a year or so before being moved on if not meeting the clubs ambitions.
They are also the two clubs that are "over achieving". Cause or effect?
Some times it does some times it doesn't. Quite often with no logical explanation either way. Some times it reverts back to the mean, some times it doesn't.
We all agree we can’t say that’s the case for us don’t we?0 -
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Scoham said:Cafc43v3r said:Scoham said:cafc999 said:Cafc43v3r said:FishCostaFortune said:As someone who outside of Charlton does not have a terrible amount of knowledge of the football league, I find the subject of managerial stability an interesting one to explore.What as fans do we define as a period of stability for a manager to be effective, and is there examples of that time frame being effective - particularly for teams who have ambitions of promotion? My general uneducated view is that there is a manager ‘merry go around’ that exists where managers get around a year or so before being moved on if not meeting the clubs ambitions.
They are also the two clubs that are "over achieving". Cause or effect?
Some times it does some times it doesn't. Quite often with no logical explanation either way. Some times it reverts back to the mean, some times it doesn't.
We all agree we can’t say that’s the case for us don’t we?
All other things being equal we would never have finished above Ipswich and below Fleetwood. The criticism would potentially be that some of the performances have reverted back to last winter and Adkins level of awfulness, even in games we have won. That though is probably the mean.0 -
Jacko has gone then. Bloody hell!
https://www.cafc.co.uk/news/view/62712708a9d7b/johnnie-jackson-departs-as-clubs-manager
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Wow, gone didn’t expect that.0
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Bloody hell0
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